NathanAllen said:

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sycasey said:

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ncbears said:

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sycasey said:

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RJABear said:

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OR State Beavs looking good against Tennessee

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Beavs dominate the Vols, wire-to-wire.

Pac-12 is good maybe?

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Or SEC basketball is not good? Ok Arkansas came from behind to win and Florida hung on. But Georgia Tech went lost as well.

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So it looks like .500 for the SEC so far. Tennessee is the only team to lose a game they were favored by seed to win. Arkansas went down early (hot shooting by Colgate) but dominated the rest of the game and won comfortably; I thought they looked good.

We also had UCLA beating MSU from the Big 10, which is supposed to be the best conference (granted, it was a play-in game).

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The SEC is 2-1. GA Tech is not part of the SEC. They won the ACC Tournament title less than a week ago.

Also, I don't think UCLA beating Michigan State in overtime is an argument for the Pac-12's strength. UCLA finished fourth in the P12. Michigan State finished ninth in the B10 and had a losing conference record.

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sycasey said:

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RJABear said:

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OR State Beavs looking good against Tennessee

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Beavs dominate the Vols, wire-to-wire.

Pac-12 is good maybe?

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bearister said:

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Purdue is about to eat a # 13 seed sh@it sandwich in OT.

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Cal8285 said:

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dimitrig said:

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calumnus said:

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Teams of interest for Cal fans:
Colorado
USC
Oregon
Oregon St.
UCLA
Ohio State-Sueing
Arkansas-Vanover
Eastern Washington-Legans
Cleveland State-Gates
UCSB-The kicker

Others?

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How did this putrid Pac-12 get 5 teams in?

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Well, whether a conference is "putrid" is judged by more than the pure number of teams in the tournament.

Sure, 68 teams get in, but how many actually deserve to be playing for the title? When playing a one and done tourney, anything can happen, so sure, in theory, anybody can win, especially when a team gets help from other fluke wins and doesn't have to play all the best teams.

In the "modern" era of 16 seeds in each of the four regions starting in 1985, only 3 teams outside of the top 4, have won a title, and two of those were in the first 4 seasons of the modern era, only one of those since 1988, UConn in 2014 when was a 7 seed and played 8 seed Kentucky in the championship game. Except for that game, Butler is the only team outside the top 3 that made the finals and didn't play a number 1 seed when it lost to 3 seed UConn in the 2011 championship.

As a generally rule, any team that doesn't have a top 4 seed isn't really good enough to be playing for a championship. It is better to judge how putrid a conference is by how many teams it was able to get in the top 4 seeds.

The putrid Pac-12 had, um, zero teams seeded in the top 4. While the Pac-12 got 5 teams total in the tourney (in part because the conference was putrid enough that Oregon St. could knock off 3 of the top 4 teams in the conference and get an automatic berth) the Big-10 and the Big-12 got 5 teams seeded in the top 4. The Sec and ACC had two each (a down year for the ACC for sure, with no teams in the top 3 seeds and 2 teams in the top 4), the WCC one (#1 seed Gonzaga), and the American Conference one (#2 seed Houston). There are six conferences better than the Pac-12 in terms of teams in the top 4. Can the Pac-12 at least claim seventh best?

Well, if we're going to flip down to 5 seeds, covering the top 20 teams in the tournament, the Big East got 2, the SEC one, and the Pac-10 with its best seed in Colorado. So in terms of the top 20 teams in the tournament, looks like the Pac-12 is the EIGHTH best conference in the country. Oops, we didn't move up by that criteria.

For a P5 conference, being 8th best is, um, putrid. Every P5 conference except one had at least 2 teams with top 4 seeds, with the remaining conference, the P-12, having zero. Um, putrid.

A good argument can be made that the best OOC win for a Pac-12 team this year was Stanford beating Alabama in the first game of the year, but it was the first game of the year, the Maui Invitational being played in North Carolina, a weird fluke was bound to happen. The conference overall was PUTRID.

But even with mediocre 5 teams, the Pac-12 had the fewest teams in the tourney of any P5 conference. Combine that with having zero teams with top 4 seeds, and the Pac-12 is the worst of the P5 conferences by far. And Cal finished last in that putrid conference.

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dimitrig said:

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Cal8285 said:

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dimitrig said:

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calumnus said:

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Teams of interest for Cal fans:
Colorado
USC
Oregon
Oregon St.
UCLA
Ohio State-Sueing
Arkansas-Vanover
Eastern Washington-Legans
Cleveland State-Gates
UCSB-The kicker

Others?

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How did this putrid Pac-12 get 5 teams in?

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Well, whether a conference is "putrid" is judged by more than the pure number of teams in the tournament.
[...]

A good argument can be made that the best OOC win for a Pac-12 team this year was Stanford beating Alabama in the first game of the year, but it was the first game of the year, the Maui Invitational being played in North Carolina, a weird fluke was bound to happen. The conference overall was PUTRID.

But even with mediocre 5 teams, the Pac-12 had the fewest teams in the tourney of any P5 conference. Combine that with having zero teams with top 4 seeds, and the Pac-12 is the worst of the P5 conferences by far. And Cal finished last in that putrid conference.

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I wasn't being sarcastic. I agree that the Pac-12 is putrid. So how did we get so many teams get in? There have been much better years where we didn't see 5 teams in. Is that rest of the NCAA also that bad this year?

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stu said:

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My criterion for ranking conferences is total number of NCAA Tournament wins in a given year. That includes selections (you can't win without being selected) as well as quality (you can lose after being selected). It also balances conferences with one great team against conferences with a number of good teams. And it's easy to calculate. But you have to wait till the tournament is done.

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drizzlybear said:

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dimitrig said:

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Cal8285 said:

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dimitrig said:

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calumnus said:

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Teams of interest for Cal fans:
Colorado
USC
Oregon
Oregon St.
UCLA
Ohio State-Sueing
Arkansas-Vanover
Eastern Washington-Legans
Cleveland State-Gates
UCSB-The kicker

Others?

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How did this putrid Pac-12 get 5 teams in?

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Well, whether a conference is "putrid" is judged by more than the pure number of teams in the tournament.
[...]

A good argument can be made that the best OOC win for a Pac-12 team this year was Stanford beating Alabama in the first game of the year, but it was the first game of the year, the Maui Invitational being played in North Carolina, a weird fluke was bound to happen. The conference overall was PUTRID.

But even with mediocre 5 teams, the Pac-12 had the fewest teams in the tourney of any P5 conference. Combine that with having zero teams with top 4 seeds, and the Pac-12 is the worst of the P5 conferences by far. And Cal finished last in that putrid conference.

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I wasn't being sarcastic. I agree that the Pac-12 is putrid. So how did we get so many teams get in? There have been much better years where we didn't see 5 teams in. Is that rest of the NCAA also that bad this year?

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Sorry this may sound flippant, but really the answer to your question is: the same way, and using the same criteria, as every other conference got teams in. Moreover, there's a good chance the Pac12 could've gotten a sixth team in had Arizona not self-canceled their post-season mid-season. Also, a 7th team, which beat another conference's current 2-seed earlier this season, might have gotten narrowly eliminated by our own sturdy Bears.

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stu said:

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sycasey said:

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UCLA beats Michigan St. Chalk one up for the Pac-12!

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UCLA made 9 of 18 threes to beat a play-in team in overtime. Good win for the conference but the next game will be tougher.

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drizzlybear said:

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stu said:

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sycasey said:

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UCLA beats Michigan St. Chalk one up for the Pac-12!

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UCLA made 9 of 18 threes to beat a play-in team in overtime. Good win for the conference but the next game will be tougher.

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Disagree. MSU teams are notoriously tough and physical teams and usually out-perform their seed in the tournament. This was a huge win for UCLA and the conference. I would take (in fact, I did take) MSU to beat BYU.

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HoopDreams said:

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Buffs slamming Georgetown at the half

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sycasey said:

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drizzlybear said:

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dimitrig said:

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Cal8285 said:

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dimitrig said:

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calumnus said:

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Teams of interest for Cal fans:
Colorado
USC
Oregon
Oregon St.
UCLA
Ohio State-Sueing
Arkansas-Vanover
Eastern Washington-Legans
Cleveland State-Gates
UCSB-The kicker

Others?

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How did this putrid Pac-12 get 5 teams in?

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Well, whether a conference is "putrid" is judged by more than the pure number of teams in the tournament.
[...]

A good argument can be made that the best OOC win for a Pac-12 team this year was Stanford beating Alabama in the first game of the year, but it was the first game of the year, the Maui Invitational being played in North Carolina, a weird fluke was bound to happen. The conference overall was PUTRID.

But even with mediocre 5 teams, the Pac-12 had the fewest teams in the tourney of any P5 conference. Combine that with having zero teams with top 4 seeds, and the Pac-12 is the worst of the P5 conferences by far. And Cal finished last in that putrid conference.

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I wasn't being sarcastic. I agree that the Pac-12 is putrid. So how did we get so many teams get in? There have been much better years where we didn't see 5 teams in. Is that rest of the NCAA also that bad this year?

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Sorry this may sound flippant, but really the answer to your question is: the same way, and using the same criteria, as every other conference got teams in. Moreover, there's a good chance the Pac12 could've gotten a sixth team in had Arizona not self-canceled their post-season mid-season. Also, a 7th team, which beat another conference's current 2-seed earlier this season, might have gotten narrowly eliminated by our own sturdy Bears.

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I don't think Furd really had a shot. They weren't invited to the NIT.

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calumnus said:

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sycasey said:

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drizzlybear said:

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dimitrig said:

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Cal8285 said:

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dimitrig said:

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calumnus said:

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Teams of interest for Cal fans:
Colorado
USC
Oregon
Oregon St.
UCLA
Ohio State-Sueing
Arkansas-Vanover
Eastern Washington-Legans
Cleveland State-Gates
UCSB-The kicker

Others?

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How did this putrid Pac-12 get 5 teams in?

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Well, whether a conference is "putrid" is judged by more than the pure number of teams in the tournament.
[...]

A good argument can be made that the best OOC win for a Pac-12 team this year was Stanford beating Alabama in the first game of the year, but it was the first game of the year, the Maui Invitational being played in North Carolina, a weird fluke was bound to happen. The conference overall was PUTRID.

But even with mediocre 5 teams, the Pac-12 had the fewest teams in the tourney of any P5 conference. Combine that with having zero teams with top 4 seeds, and the Pac-12 is the worst of the P5 conferences by far. And Cal finished last in that putrid conference.

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I wasn't being sarcastic. I agree that the Pac-12 is putrid. So how did we get so many teams get in? There have been much better years where we didn't see 5 teams in. Is that rest of the NCAA also that bad this year?

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Sorry this may sound flippant, but really the answer to your question is: the same way, and using the same criteria, as every other conference got teams in. Moreover, there's a good chance the Pac12 could've gotten a sixth team in had Arizona not self-canceled their post-season mid-season. Also, a 7th team, which beat another conference's current 2-seed earlier this season, might have gotten narrowly eliminated by our own sturdy Bears.

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I don't think Furd really had a shot. They weren't invited to the NIT.

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If Stanford had not collapsed the last few weeks and won the PAC-12 games they were supposed to win, they would likely have been in.

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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drizzlybear said:

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At this point the Pac12 is projected to go 5-0 in its teams' first games.

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It was nice of VCU to forfeit to Oregon. I hope their COVID exposure doesn't result in any illnesses.

5-0!

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HoopDreams said:

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altman always gets the lucky draw ... his teams somehow always goes up against the cupcakes of the tournament

and now this... his team scores zero points and still advance!

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sycasey said:

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HoopDreams said:

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altman always gets the lucky draw ... his teams somehow always goes up against the cupcakes of the tournament

and now this... his team scores zero points and still advance!

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It's truly amazing how good a draw the Ducks get every time.

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oskidunker said:

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So the whole team had covid?
They couldnt even field 5 players?

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