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So send your kids to another school. They're not holding you hostage.

Completely different from public school.

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Speaking in general about stories like this...

If this is true, as reported (I mean, do they at least have an imminent reopening scheduled?), they should suck the vaccine back out of teachers' arms. Incidents like this are NOT doing teachers any favors, long term: Some time in the not-too-distant future, they will be asking for another raise, or a preservation of their rights, or both. I am a decades-long supporter of teachers unions, but now's no time to be short-sighted. You get vaccinated; you go back. Plain and simple.

New York City High Schools are set to open on March 22.

I notice the Oakland teachers' union is now posting stuff like this, which highlights the difficulties of reopening but is not exactly hard-line against it. This seems like a shift in messaging (before this it had been about how schools are not safe enough and it's racist to want to reopen), probably reacting to facts on the ground and shifting public opinion. I'll take this as a positive development.

The Superintendent released a report showing the results of a recent survey of elementary-school parents. About 53% preferred at least some in-person. If you take out those who didn't respond to the survey, it's 60% of all respondents who wanted some in-person school. Seems like a pretty clear majority, which undercuts the union's arguments about families of color not wanting to return, since only 10% of OUSD's total enrollment is white (maybe a bit higher for elementary, but still not that high).

https://t.co/qsX9UiyKhg?amp=1
(slides 17-19 have the survey results)

I think this may be driving the union to look for an off-ramp from their previously hard-line position.

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I notice the Oakland teachers' union is now posting stuff like this, which highlights the difficulties of reopening but is not exactly hard-line against it. This seems like a shift in messaging (before this it had been about how schools are not safe enough and it's racist to want to reopen), probably reacting to facts on the ground and shifting public opinion. I'll take this as a positive development.

The Superintendent released a report showing the results of a recent survey of elementary-school parents. About 53% preferred at least some in-person. If you take out those who didn't respond to the survey, it's 60% of all respondents who wanted some in-person school. Seems like a pretty clear majority, which undercuts the union's arguments about families of color not wanting to return, since only 10% of OUSD's total enrollment is white (maybe a bit higher for elementary, but still not that high).

https://t.co/qsX9UiyKhg?amp=1
(slides 17-19 have the survey results)

I think this may be driving the union to look for an off-ramp from their previously hard-line position.

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I'm actually surprised that it wasn't significantly higher than 53%.

Meanwhile San Francisco schools seem to have agreed to do some reopening. I think it's like half of the elementary schools... on April 12th. Which begs the questions: Why not ALL the elementary schools and why not on MARCH 12th?

Anyway, the article linked by the OEA was outstanding and very nuanced: It's a complicated situation.

Berkeley public schools just announced an agreement to go back 5 days per week in person (elementary).

Why no agreement in Oakland yet? The Oakland Teacher's Union is currently insisting that it should be voluntary for any teacher to teach in-person.

You can't make this stuff up. Apparently we prioritized the vaccine for Oakland teachers so they can stay at home.

Aargh....

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Berkeley public schools just announced an agreement to go back 5 days per week in person (elementary).

Why no agreement in Oakland yet? The Oakland Teacher's Union is currently insisting that it should be voluntary for any teacher to teach in-person.

You can't make this stuff up. Apparently we prioritized the vaccine for Oakland teachers so they can stay at home.

Aargh....

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That's what happens when you have government convincing you that you still need to wear 2 masks after getting the vaccine. Apparently they are unaware of what the purpose of a vaccine is.

The only reason to wear a mask after you get the vaccine is because OTHER people can't tell if you've been vaccinated, not for your own protection. But because government keeps lying to people, they keep muddling the message.

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Berkeley public schools just announced an agreement to go back 5 days per week in person (elementary).

Why no agreement in Oakland yet? The Oakland Teacher's Union is currently insisting that it should be voluntary for any teacher to teach in-person.

You can't make this stuff up. Apparently we prioritized the vaccine for Oakland teachers so they can stay at home.

Aargh....

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This afternoon, the produce guy at my Safeway told me that he'd like to start working from home. A lady over by the broccoli overheard us and said she's an ER nurse and would also like to work from home.

So it's catching on!

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Berkeley public schools just announced an agreement to go back 5 days per week in person (elementary).

Why no agreement in Oakland yet? The Oakland Teacher's Union is currently insisting that it should be voluntary for any teacher to teach in-person.

You can't make this stuff up. Apparently we prioritized the vaccine for Oakland teachers so they can stay at home.

Aargh....

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LAUSD also just announced a return date.

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/l-a-teachers-union-reaches-tentative-deal-with-lausd-to-reopen-school-in-mid-april/

OUSD might wind up last in the state. I would note, though, that the L.A. teachers were making demands just as militant and extreme before apparently coming to a deal yesterday. So a lot of this may just be posturing.

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Berkeley public schools just announced an agreement to go back 5 days per week in person (elementary).

Why no agreement in Oakland yet? The Oakland Teacher's Union is currently insisting that it should be voluntary for any teacher to teach in-person.

You can't make this stuff up. Apparently we prioritized the vaccine for Oakland teachers so they can stay at home.

Aargh....

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LAUSD also just announced a return date.

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/l-a-teachers-union-reaches-tentative-deal-with-lausd-to-reopen-school-in-mid-april/

OUSD might wind up last in the state. I would note, though, that the L.A. teachers were making demands just as militant and extreme before apparently coming to a deal yesterday. So a lot of this may just be posturing.

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LAUSD is a dumpster fire. I have a feeling that after the dust settles, many areas will seek to break off from these bloated, inefficient school districts and form their own. Do you think that's a possibility in your area? Would you support that?

Yeah - cuz that's how theses things work.

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Berkeley public schools just announced an agreement to go back 5 days per week in person (elementary).

Why no agreement in Oakland yet? The Oakland Teacher's Union is currently insisting that it should be voluntary for any teacher to teach in-person.

You can't make this stuff up. Apparently we prioritized the vaccine for Oakland teachers so they can stay at home.

Aargh....

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LAUSD also just announced a return date.

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/l-a-teachers-union-reaches-tentative-deal-with-lausd-to-reopen-school-in-mid-april/

OUSD might wind up last in the state. I would note, though, that the L.A. teachers were making demands just as militant and extreme before apparently coming to a deal yesterday. So a lot of this may just be posturing.

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LAUSD is a dumpster fire. I have a feeling that after the dust settles, many areas will seek to break off from these bloated, inefficient school districts and form their own. Do you think that's a possibility in your area? Would you support that?

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As far as I know, LAUSD is super large and could well be broken up. That seems pretty unlikely for Oakland.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/bayarea/article/Teachers-Union-And-District-Reach-Deal-To-Reopen-16025969.php

I'm not going to believe it's true until I'm actually dropping off my kid at school.

Looks like the details are official (though the union still has to vote and ratify the agreement).

https://t.e2ma.net/webview/p6qbce/c7ec082ded217bc9a51f368c213493eb?fbclid=IwAR2fvN5KttTlCJVNp-fLw2phRFJU2OqPzFt5Srgug9av-1CYc4o1s8NJKg8

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In-person instruction on OUSD campuses will be phased in and begin just over two weeks from now.

• In-Person Instruction - Phase 1 (Starting March 30, 2021): In-person instruction for grades PK-2 and priority students.
• In-Person Instruction - Phase 2 (Starting April 19, 2021): In-person instruction will be expanded up through fifth grade and at least one secondary grade.

Phase 1 will launch through an opt in process for teachers. Those who opt in will return to start preparing for the transition on March 25, 2021. All remaining OEA members will return to campus to start preparing on April 14, 2021.

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Maybe not everything I'd want, but it's a start. Glad to see some of the logjam has been broken.

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https://www.sfgate.com/news/bayarea/article/Teachers-Union-And-District-Reach-Deal-To-Reopen-16025969.php

I'm not going to believe it's true until I'm actually dropping off my kid at school.

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It's a start. Good luck. Fingers crossed for you and others!

I'm glad that there is finally an agreement. I do hope as sycasey says that OEA votes to approve it.

The interesting part which is different from other district's agreements is that OUSD teachers will be given a $2,000 stipend for their return to in-person instruction, and an additional $800 if they voluntarily return March 30.

The district gets extra state $ for returning to in-person by the end of March, so clearly one can label the $2,800 as a bribe. But in my mind, teachers are underpaid to begin with, so I'm fine with this stipend.

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I'm glad that there is finally an agreement. I do hope as sycasey says that OEA votes to approve it.

The interesting part which is different from other district's agreements is that OUSD teachers will be given a $2,000 stipend for their return to in-person instruction, and an additional $800 if they voluntarily return March 30.

The district gets extra state $ for returning to in-person by the end of March, so clearly one can label the $2,800 as a bribe. But in my mind, teachers are underpaid to begin with, so I'm fine with this stipend.

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The district really, really doesn't want to force teachers to go back. They'd rather entice them. Given the strike in 2019, I can see why the reticence here.

Looks like to begin with, the in-person instruction for most students will be for two days a week, only in the afternoons. Everything else still online. That's not a lot of in-person school.

Special Ed kids like mine look like they'll get 4 days a week, so that's a bit better.

I guess the really big hope here is that this paves the way for full in-person school in the fall, after vaccines are fully rolled out.

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Looks like to begin with, the in-person instruction for most students will be for two days a week, only in the afternoons. Everything else still online. That's not a lot of in-person school.

Special Ed kids like mine look like they'll get 4 days a week, so that's a bit better.

I guess the really big hope here is that this paves the way for full in-person school in the fall, after vaccines are fully rolled out.

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I'm nervous about this. I'm getting the feeling that even if everyone is vaccinated the teachers or the school district will find a reason to keep schools closed. I have a kid at Cal and things were so restrictive there that she came home for the spring semester. She's really, really looking forward to getting back on campus and has just received an offer for fall housing. I'm very skittish about signing it because I don't fully trust that, if they decide to keep the campus shut down, they'll be fair about refunds. I think the odds are good that Cal may be the last university in the US to fully get back to normal. I'm staying hopeful though.

I would think there's basically zero chance of full in-person instruction in the Fall. OUSD teachers can voluntarily opt-in to start teaching March 30 in-person. A total of 1 teacher is opting-in at my kid's school. The teachers are compelled to teach in-person starting April 19 (last day of school is May 27). They will be teaching in-person a grand total of 5 hours/week (2 afternoons of 2.5 hours each).

Step back for a moment and look at this situation - is there any chance teachers/OEA come back full time in-person in the Fall? No way. We decided to pull one of our kids from OUSD and are close to pulling the second. I can't tell you how many other people I know who will be pulling their kids and/or moving to open districts - it's a very large number.

When the bill comes due in a year or two, and CA no longer allows 2019 enrollment numbers to dictate how much State $ is given to districts, OUSD is going to have a reckoning resulting in a painful amount of school closures. People will be wondering how it ever got to that point - the simple answer is everybody's unwillingness to reopen schools.

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Looks like to begin with, the in-person instruction for most students will be for two days a week, only in the afternoons. Everything else still online. That's not a lot of in-person school.

Special Ed kids like mine look like they'll get 4 days a week, so that's a bit better.

I guess the really big hope here is that this paves the way for full in-person school in the fall, after vaccines are fully rolled out.

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I'm nervous about this. I'm getting the feeling that even if everyone is vaccinated the teachers or the school district will find a reason to keep schools closed. I have a kid at Cal and things were so restrictive there that she came home for the spring semester. She's really, really looking forward to getting back on campus and has just received an offer for fall housing. I'm very skittish about signing it because I don't fully trust that, if they decide to keep the campus shut down, they'll be fair about refunds. I think the odds are good that Cal may be the last university in the US to fully get back to normal. I'm staying hopeful though.

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Not sure about colleges, but for primary and secondary schools, lawsuits are either already logged or about to be if the school districts don't clearly make their best efforts to provide full in-person instruction in the fall. That should force the issue. State law guarantees adequate public education to every student, and I think it will be pretty easy to demonstrate that virtual school doesn't do that for the majority of kids.

Given their prior behavior, I'm sure the unions will keep pushing back, but with vaccines out their arguments really fall apart. No way you can argue this successfully to a judge.

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Looks like to begin with, the in-person instruction for most students will be for two days a week, only in the afternoons. Everything else still online. That's not a lot of in-person school.

Special Ed kids like mine look like they'll get 4 days a week, so that's a bit better.

I guess the really big hope here is that this paves the way for full in-person school in the fall, after vaccines are fully rolled out.

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I'm nervous about this. I'm getting the feeling that even if everyone is vaccinated the teachers or the school district will find a reason to keep schools closed. I have a kid at Cal and things were so restrictive there that she came home for the spring semester. She's really, really looking forward to getting back on campus and has just received an offer for fall housing. I'm very skittish about signing it because I don't fully trust that, if they decide to keep the campus shut down, they'll be fair about refunds. I think the odds are good that Cal may be the last university in the US to fully get back to normal. I'm staying hopeful though.

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Not sure about colleges, but for primary and secondary schools, lawsuits are either already logged or about to be if the school districts don't clearly make their best efforts to provide full in-person instruction in the fall. That should force the issue. State law guarantees adequate public education to every student, and I think it will be pretty easy to demonstrate that virtual school doesn't do that for the majority of kids.

Given their prior behavior, I'm sure the unions will keep pushing back, but with vaccines out their arguments really fall apart. No way you can argue this successfully to a judge.

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Are judges infallible?

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Looks like to begin with, the in-person instruction for most students will be for two days a week, only in the afternoons. Everything else still online. That's not a lot of in-person school.

Special Ed kids like mine look like they'll get 4 days a week, so that's a bit better.

I guess the really big hope here is that this paves the way for full in-person school in the fall, after vaccines are fully rolled out.

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I'm nervous about this. I'm getting the feeling that even if everyone is vaccinated the teachers or the school district will find a reason to keep schools closed. I have a kid at Cal and things were so restrictive there that she came home for the spring semester. She's really, really looking forward to getting back on campus and has just received an offer for fall housing. I'm very skittish about signing it because I don't fully trust that, if they decide to keep the campus shut down, they'll be fair about refunds. I think the odds are good that Cal may be the last university in the US to fully get back to normal. I'm staying hopeful though.

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Not sure about colleges, but for primary and secondary schools, lawsuits are either already logged or about to be if the school districts don't clearly make their best efforts to provide full in-person instruction in the fall. That should force the issue. State law guarantees adequate public education to every student, and I think it will be pretty easy to demonstrate that virtual school doesn't do that for the majority of kids.

Given their prior behavior, I'm sure the unions will keep pushing back, but with vaccines out their arguments really fall apart. No way you can argue this successfully to a judge.

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I sure hope you're right. With accelerating vaccinations, I'm hoping that by fall all students and teachers will have received the vaccine.

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Looks like to begin with, the in-person instruction for most students will be for two days a week, only in the afternoons. Everything else still online. That's not a lot of in-person school.

Special Ed kids like mine look like they'll get 4 days a week, so that's a bit better.

I guess the really big hope here is that this paves the way for full in-person school in the fall, after vaccines are fully rolled out.

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I'm nervous about this. I'm getting the feeling that even if everyone is vaccinated the teachers or the school district will find a reason to keep schools closed. I have a kid at Cal and things were so restrictive there that she came home for the spring semester. She's really, really looking forward to getting back on campus and has just received an offer for fall housing. I'm very skittish about signing it because I don't fully trust that, if they decide to keep the campus shut down, they'll be fair about refunds. I think the odds are good that Cal may be the last university in the US to fully get back to normal. I'm staying hopeful though.

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Not sure about colleges, but for primary and secondary schools, lawsuits are either already logged or about to be if the school districts don't clearly make their best efforts to provide full in-person instruction in the fall. That should force the issue. State law guarantees adequate public education to every student, and I think it will be pretty easy to demonstrate that virtual school doesn't do that for the majority of kids.

Given their prior behavior, I'm sure the unions will keep pushing back, but with vaccines out their arguments really fall apart. No way you can argue this successfully to a judge.

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I sure hope you're right. With accelerating vaccinations, I'm hoping that by fall all students and teachers will have received the vaccine.

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It won't be all students by then, because the youngest kids won't be approved to get it. But since COVID seems very non-deadly for little kids I don't think that should be a concern.

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Looks like to begin with, the in-person instruction for most students will be for two days a week, only in the afternoons. Everything else still online. That's not a lot of in-person school.

Special Ed kids like mine look like they'll get 4 days a week, so that's a bit better.

I guess the really big hope here is that this paves the way for full in-person school in the fall, after vaccines are fully rolled out.

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I'm nervous about this. I'm getting the feeling that even if everyone is vaccinated the teachers or the school district will find a reason to keep schools closed. I have a kid at Cal and things were so restrictive there that she came home for the spring semester. She's really, really looking forward to getting back on campus and has just received an offer for fall housing. I'm very skittish about signing it because I don't fully trust that, if they decide to keep the campus shut down, they'll be fair about refunds. I think the odds are good that Cal may be the last university in the US to fully get back to normal. I'm staying hopeful though.

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Not sure about colleges, but for primary and secondary schools, lawsuits are either already logged or about to be if the school districts don't clearly make their best efforts to provide full in-person instruction in the fall. That should force the issue. State law guarantees adequate public education to every student, and I think it will be pretty easy to demonstrate that virtual school doesn't do that for the majority of kids.

Given their prior behavior, I'm sure the unions will keep pushing back, but with vaccines out their arguments really fall apart. No way you can argue this successfully to a judge.

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No, but we're talking multiple lawsuits from multiple districts working their way up the system. The bulk of them should favor the parents.

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Looks like to begin with, the in-person instruction for most students will be for two days a week, only in the afternoons. Everything else still online. That's not a lot of in-person school.

Special Ed kids like mine look like they'll get 4 days a week, so that's a bit better.

I guess the really big hope here is that this paves the way for full in-person school in the fall, after vaccines are fully rolled out.

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I'm nervous about this. I'm getting the feeling that even if everyone is vaccinated the teachers or the school district will find a reason to keep schools closed. I have a kid at Cal and things were so restrictive there that she came home for the spring semester. She's really, really looking forward to getting back on campus and has just received an offer for fall housing. I'm very skittish about signing it because I don't fully trust that, if they decide to keep the campus shut down, they'll be fair about refunds. I think the odds are good that Cal may be the last university in the US to fully get back to normal. I'm staying hopeful though.

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Not sure about colleges, but for primary and secondary schools, lawsuits are either already logged or about to be if the school districts don't clearly make their best efforts to provide full in-person instruction in the fall. That should force the issue. State law guarantees adequate public education to every student, and I think it will be pretty easy to demonstrate that virtual school doesn't do that for the majority of kids.

Given their prior behavior, I'm sure the unions will keep pushing back, but with vaccines out their arguments really fall apart. No way you can argue this successfully to a judge.

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I sure hope you're right. With accelerating vaccinations, I'm hoping that by fall all students and teachers will have received the vaccine.

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College students should receive the vaccines by then. K-12 will not. Vaccines aren't really even close to being approved for under-16.

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Looks like to begin with, the in-person instruction for most students will be for two days a week, only in the afternoons. Everything else still online. That's not a lot of in-person school.

Special Ed kids like mine look like they'll get 4 days a week, so that's a bit better.

I guess the really big hope here is that this paves the way for full in-person school in the fall, after vaccines are fully rolled out.

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I'm nervous about this. I'm getting the feeling that even if everyone is vaccinated the teachers or the school district will find a reason to keep schools closed. I have a kid at Cal and things were so restrictive there that she came home for the spring semester. She's really, really looking forward to getting back on campus and has just received an offer for fall housing. I'm very skittish about signing it because I don't fully trust that, if they decide to keep the campus shut down, they'll be fair about refunds. I think the odds are good that Cal may be the last university in the US to fully get back to normal. I'm staying hopeful though.

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Not sure about colleges, but for primary and secondary schools, lawsuits are either already logged or about to be if the school districts don't clearly make their best efforts to provide full in-person instruction in the fall. That should force the issue. State law guarantees adequate public education to every student, and I think it will be pretty easy to demonstrate that virtual school doesn't do that for the majority of kids.

Given their prior behavior, I'm sure the unions will keep pushing back, but with vaccines out their arguments really fall apart. No way you can argue this successfully to a judge.

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Some of the Oakland teachers going against the union are arguing that they should not go back until every teacher and student is vaccinated. Given that under 16 year olds have almost no hope of being vaccinated until sometime well into 2022, their demand would mean K-12 would be closed another year. IMO, they do not have a prayer of succeeding with that. If they do not open in the fall, parents will be in open revolt. Lawsuits will be prevalent. Parents that can afford to send their kids to private school will leave in droves and take their donation money with them (which is a lot) and also take the state funding which is based on number of students. It will be a fiscal calamity for OUSD and one thing I have noted with school districts is that whatever arguments are being made on all sides of an issue, follow the money and that will tell you what side will win.

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Looks like to begin with, the in-person instruction for most students will be for two days a week, only in the afternoons. Everything else still online. That's not a lot of in-person school.

Special Ed kids like mine look like they'll get 4 days a week, so that's a bit better.

I guess the really big hope here is that this paves the way for full in-person school in the fall, after vaccines are fully rolled out.

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I'm nervous about this. I'm getting the feeling that even if everyone is vaccinated the teachers or the school district will find a reason to keep schools closed. I have a kid at Cal and things were so restrictive there that she came home for the spring semester. She's really, really looking forward to getting back on campus and has just received an offer for fall housing. I'm very skittish about signing it because I don't fully trust that, if they decide to keep the campus shut down, they'll be fair about refunds. I think the odds are good that Cal may be the last university in the US to fully get back to normal. I'm staying hopeful though.

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Not sure about colleges, but for primary and secondary schools, lawsuits are either already logged or about to be if the school districts don't clearly make their best efforts to provide full in-person instruction in the fall. That should force the issue. State law guarantees adequate public education to every student, and I think it will be pretty easy to demonstrate that virtual school doesn't do that for the majority of kids.

Given their prior behavior, I'm sure the unions will keep pushing back, but with vaccines out their arguments really fall apart. No way you can argue this successfully to a judge.

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I sure hope you're right. With accelerating vaccinations, I'm hoping that by fall all students and teachers will have received the vaccine.

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College students should receive the vaccines by then. K-12 will not. Vaccines aren't really even close to being approved for under-16.

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Fingers crossed. Move-in is mid-August.

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Looks like to begin with, the in-person instruction for most students will be for two days a week, only in the afternoons. Everything else still online. That's not a lot of in-person school.

Special Ed kids like mine look like they'll get 4 days a week, so that's a bit better.

I guess the really big hope here is that this paves the way for full in-person school in the fall, after vaccines are fully rolled out.

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I'm nervous about this. I'm getting the feeling that even if everyone is vaccinated the teachers or the school district will find a reason to keep schools closed. I have a kid at Cal and things were so restrictive there that she came home for the spring semester. She's really, really looking forward to getting back on campus and has just received an offer for fall housing. I'm very skittish about signing it because I don't fully trust that, if they decide to keep the campus shut down, they'll be fair about refunds. I think the odds are good that Cal may be the last university in the US to fully get back to normal. I'm staying hopeful though.

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Not sure about colleges, but for primary and secondary schools, lawsuits are either already logged or about to be if the school districts don't clearly make their best efforts to provide full in-person instruction in the fall. That should force the issue. State law guarantees adequate public education to every student, and I think it will be pretty easy to demonstrate that virtual school doesn't do that for the majority of kids.

Given their prior behavior, I'm sure the unions will keep pushing back, but with vaccines out their arguments really fall apart. No way you can argue this successfully to a judge.

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I sure hope you're right. With accelerating vaccinations, I'm hoping that by fall all students and teachers will have received the vaccine.

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College students should receive the vaccines by then. K-12 will not. Vaccines aren't really even close to being approved for under-16.

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Teenagers 16-19 will probably all be able to get vaccinated by mid-summer.

For kids down to age twelve, I'm pretty sure all the U.S. vaccines are currently in the MIDDLE of Stage 3 trials. I believe this means that, if all goes well, that age group will be able to be vaccinated late-summer/early-fall, maybe as soon as mid-summer.

Plans are to begin trials for kids under twelve... now. A pair of US 9 yr old twins just received vaccines (forget which one or what stage it was). I'm guessing that age group will be good to go towards the end of the year.

Anyway, I don't know how ANYBODY will be able to justify not having full-time school this fall, unless there's some sort of bigger-than-expected surge. COVID hospitalizations and deaths should be WAY THE HECK down fairly soon. Right now, it's a race between the vaccines and the variants, to see if the "fourth wave" is really a wave, or just a ripple. My guess for the US would be a "gentle wave" in April/early May, thanks to all the people that refuse to do the right thing. But then that's it.

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I would think there's basically zero chance of full in-person instruction in the Fall. OUSD teachers can voluntarily opt-in to start teaching March 30 in-person. A total of 1 teacher is opting-in at my kid's school. The teachers are compelled to teach in-person starting April 19 (last day of school is May 27). They will be teaching in-person a grand total of 5 hours/week (2 afternoons of 2.5 hours each).

Step back for a moment and look at this situation - is there any chance teachers/OEA come back full time in-person in the Fall? No way. We decided to pull one of our kids from OUSD and are close to pulling the second. I can't tell you how many other people I know who will be pulling their kids and/or moving to open districts - it's a very large number.

When the bill comes due in a year or two, and CA no longer allows 2019 enrollment numbers to dictate how much State $ is given to districts, OUSD is going to have a reckoning resulting in a painful amount of school closures. People will be wondering how it ever got to that point - the simple answer is everybody's unwillingness to reopen schools.

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For this spring, kids being back in school part-time is a LOT better than no time. It saddens me that some schools aren't starting up until well into April. Their piddly part-time schedule -- understandable though it may be -- could have been do-able this month or even last month.

I feel pretty confident that we will be good to go for fall.

Big C said:

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75bear said:

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I would think there's basically zero chance of full in-person instruction in the Fall. OUSD teachers can voluntarily opt-in to start teaching March 30 in-person. A total of 1 teacher is opting-in at my kid's school. The teachers are compelled to teach in-person starting April 19 (last day of school is May 27). They will be teaching in-person a grand total of 5 hours/week (2 afternoons of 2.5 hours each).

Step back for a moment and look at this situation - is there any chance teachers/OEA come back full time in-person in the Fall? No way. We decided to pull one of our kids from OUSD and are close to pulling the second. I can't tell you how many other people I know who will be pulling their kids and/or moving to open districts - it's a very large number.

When the bill comes due in a year or two, and CA no longer allows 2019 enrollment numbers to dictate how much State $ is given to districts, OUSD is going to have a reckoning resulting in a painful amount of school closures. People will be wondering how it ever got to that point - the simple answer is everybody's unwillingness to reopen schools.

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For this spring, kids being back in school part-time is a LOT better than no time. It saddens me that some schools aren't starting up until well into April. Their piddly part-time schedule -- understandable though it may be -- could have been do-able this month or even last month.

I feel pretty confident that we will be good to go for fall.

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Does that mean full attendance at CMS for the Nevada game?

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Big C said:

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75bear said:

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I would think there's basically zero chance of full in-person instruction in the Fall. OUSD teachers can voluntarily opt-in to start teaching March 30 in-person. A total of 1 teacher is opting-in at my kid's school. The teachers are compelled to teach in-person starting April 19 (last day of school is May 27). They will be teaching in-person a grand total of 5 hours/week (2 afternoons of 2.5 hours each).

Step back for a moment and look at this situation - is there any chance teachers/OEA come back full time in-person in the Fall? No way. We decided to pull one of our kids from OUSD and are close to pulling the second. I can't tell you how many other people I know who will be pulling their kids and/or moving to open districts - it's a very large number.

When the bill comes due in a year or two, and CA no longer allows 2019 enrollment numbers to dictate how much State $ is given to districts, OUSD is going to have a reckoning resulting in a painful amount of school closures. People will be wondering how it ever got to that point - the simple answer is everybody's unwillingness to reopen schools.

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For this spring, kids being back in school part-time is a LOT better than no time. It saddens me that some schools aren't starting up until well into April. Their piddly part-time schedule -- understandable though it may be -- could have been do-able this month or even last month.

I feel pretty confident that we will be good to go for fall.

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Does that mean full attendance at CMS for the Nevada game?

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Somebody explain to me why, if everybody has been offered a vaccine, we COULDN'T have full attendance? I like the idea of the "vaccine passport", personally.

I know we all want to hear that full Cal Band this fall, right? (And the football, too! We look to be good!)

LMK5 said:

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Big C said:

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75bear said:

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I would think there's basically zero chance of full in-person instruction in the Fall. OUSD teachers can voluntarily opt-in to start teaching March 30 in-person. A total of 1 teacher is opting-in at my kid's school. The teachers are compelled to teach in-person starting April 19 (last day of school is May 27). They will be teaching in-person a grand total of 5 hours/week (2 afternoons of 2.5 hours each).

Step back for a moment and look at this situation - is there any chance teachers/OEA come back full time in-person in the Fall? No way. We decided to pull one of our kids from OUSD and are close to pulling the second. I can't tell you how many other people I know who will be pulling their kids and/or moving to open districts - it's a very large number.

When the bill comes due in a year or two, and CA no longer allows 2019 enrollment numbers to dictate how much State $ is given to districts, OUSD is going to have a reckoning resulting in a painful amount of school closures. People will be wondering how it ever got to that point - the simple answer is everybody's unwillingness to reopen schools.

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For this spring, kids being back in school part-time is a LOT better than no time. It saddens me that some schools aren't starting up until well into April. Their piddly part-time schedule -- understandable though it may be -- could have been do-able this month or even last month.

I feel pretty confident that we will be good to go for fall.

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Does that mean full attendance at CMS for the Nevada game?

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It's possible but without cheering.

BearForce2 said:

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LMK5 said:

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Big C said:

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75bear said:

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I would think there's basically zero chance of full in-person instruction in the Fall. OUSD teachers can voluntarily opt-in to start teaching March 30 in-person. A total of 1 teacher is opting-in at my kid's school. The teachers are compelled to teach in-person starting April 19 (last day of school is May 27). They will be teaching in-person a grand total of 5 hours/week (2 afternoons of 2.5 hours each).

Step back for a moment and look at this situation - is there any chance teachers/OEA come back full time in-person in the Fall? No way. We decided to pull one of our kids from OUSD and are close to pulling the second. I can't tell you how many other people I know who will be pulling their kids and/or moving to open districts - it's a very large number.

When the bill comes due in a year or two, and CA no longer allows 2019 enrollment numbers to dictate how much State $ is given to districts, OUSD is going to have a reckoning resulting in a painful amount of school closures. People will be wondering how it ever got to that point - the simple answer is everybody's unwillingness to reopen schools.

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For this spring, kids being back in school part-time is a LOT better than no time. It saddens me that some schools aren't starting up until well into April. Their piddly part-time schedule -- understandable though it may be -- could have been do-able this month or even last month.

I feel pretty confident that we will be good to go for fall.

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Does that mean full attendance at CMS for the Nevada game?

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It's possible but without cheering.

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I don't know how the New York Post got "screaming is banned" from what the plan outline actually says:

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Face covering usage and/or modifications to seat loading patterns will be required on amusement park rides to mitigate the effects of shouting. Additionally, on rides, guests generally face in one direction.

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Now I'm hearing from our principal that Special Ed classes aren't starting until April 19th, which is . . . a lot later. This is after kids in regular elementary classes will go back. Apparently this is district wide.

This doesn't make sense. How are Special Ed kids not prioritized?