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Big C said:
It takes a special kind of thread nowadays to get moved from Growls to Off Topic! Congrats to all who've worked so hard on this!
it was long overdue
tRumpist by chance?
Nope. Just tired of the back and forth that wasn't convincing anyone of anything. At this point, everyone is entrenched in their positions.
But one of the positions is based on politics, not science. False equivalence.
Did it change the hearts and minds of any of the anti-vax/anti-science crowd? I see the same folks posting the same stuff over and over in this thread. No one seems to have changed their position.
There's a much more informative thread on the Insider board, btw.
Highlighting how mRNA vaccines have 30x higher death rate per vaccination than flu vaccines (or any other vaccine that is licensed for use) is not anti-vax.
Where is your evidence for this claim? You've made a number of unsupported claims for months now. You can pretend that your continuous crying wolf isn't anti-vax but the pattern is indistinguishable. You apply a heavy dose of skepticism to any pro mRNA data or discussion and absolutely no such concern with respect to any negative reports, anecdotes or rumors.
So tell us, where is there proof that mRNA vaccines have killed 30x the flu? How many Americans have mRNA vaccines killed?
It is from VAERS, the national vaccine safety monitoring system. I have said this before.
Could you provide a link to this specific claim?
Here is an example of a search. VAERS is a pain in the butt to use.
https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=AGE&EVENTS=ON&VAX=COVID19&DIED=Yes&AGES[]=5
Covid vaccines death since EUA 7-8 months ago is reported in VAERS at 9,000+. Flu vaccines combined have never reported more than 300 in any given 12 month period.
Oh, you were comparing Covid vaccine to flu vaccine. I thought you were comparing Covid vaccine to flu.
Knowing that flu is maybe 30,000 to 60,000 I thought you were high.
If you are saying that Covid vaccine is going to be 20k per year vs 600,000 with no vaccine or 1M with no vaccine and no social distancing or masks - I'd say Covid vaccine is a good trade off,
wouldn't you?I mean, attack to get that 9k number down all you want.
But don't attack to effectively reinstate another 600k by eliminating the vaccine altogether, right?
As I said elsewhere, the Covid situs sucks, and some folks are regrettably going to die. But at this point with vaccine, those will either be the unlucky (9k) or the stupid (unvaccinated).
Easy to pity the unlucky who gets the vaccine and dies.
Hard to pity the fool who gets the Covid and dies unvaccinated.