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5:59a, 8/28/24
Discussions related to state and corporate censorship at home and abroad.

CEO of Telegram was reportedly ensnared by Macron, invited to dinner by him, with the arrest warrant issues hours before his plane landed.



Macron personally intervened to issue Durov French citizenship 2 years ago.
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7:06a, 8/28/24
Never trust a frog.
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In reply to Cal88 • 8:27a, 8/28/24
Cal88 said:
Discussions related to state and corporate censorship at home and abroad.

CEO of Telegram was reportedly ensnared by Macron, invited to dinner by him, with the arrest warrant issues hours before his plane landed.



Macron personally intervened to issue Durov French citizenship 2 years ago.
Macron even looks like a weasel
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3:53p, 8/28/24
The media has a trove of hacked materials from Donold's campaign and they are censoring it for him and keeping it out of the public view.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-campaign-hacking-iran-769d8411d9a13ef9a0e039c0b6c3b032
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4:54p, 8/28/24

A new timely episode has just dropped. Tucker Carlson and Mike Benz.
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In reply to dajo9 • 8:38p, 8/30/24
I need to eat the other half of the crow. One source said 0% down and 0% interest without specifying a dollar amount but another source did say "give" 150k

It is hard to believe that anybody can believe that Trump has the ability to suppress the media. All the media is anti trump.


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In reply to HawaiiBear33 • 8:52p, 8/30/24


Those who censor free speech are NEVER the good guys
If you don't believe in free speech for those you hate the n you do not believe in free speech at all
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9:19p, 8/30/24
Elon Musk has become the world's biggest hypocrite on free speech


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/jan/15/elon-musk-hypocrite-free-speech?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other


Journalist banned from X says 'free speech advocate' Musk is a hypocrite


https://protos.com/journalist-banned-from-x-says-free-speech-advocate-musk-is-a-hypocrite/
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In reply to bearister • 2:35a, 8/31/24


Elon Musk is under attack by all the suppressors of free speech. You posting useless MSM lies confirms it

Meanwhile in UK people jailed for waving a British flag and this guy advocates to slit all their throats and gets cheered. If you think free speech is not being throttled worldwide it's only because you continue to trust MSM, google and all the search engines who are all throttling free speech.


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In reply to HawaiiBear33 • 2:40a, 8/31/24
Yes that keir starmer is obviously fake but nails what he is truly doing…

This one is hilarious

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2:47a, 8/31/24


[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandre_de_Moraes][/url]Brazilian judge, Alexandre de Moraes, orders suspension of X after dispute with Elon Musk.

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandre_de_Moraes][/url]
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3:33p, 8/31/24
A movie about young Donold will be released in October. Donold's lawyers sued to have it censored but it appears that free speech won out and the movie will be released. We'll see.
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In reply to HawaiiBear33 • 5:02p, 8/31/24
"You posting useless MSM lies confirms it."

This is why you can't have a debate with a tRumpist. They kill the discussion at the front end.

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5:03p, 8/31/24
Pardon me.
Perhaps this isn't the correct thread to ask, but…. Is Trump dead yet?
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In reply to It Takes Two • 6:38p, 8/31/24
I'm all for free speech. Say anything you want but don't incite violence. The defamation laws will make you pay if you are lying. A jury will make the call…unless you are tRump and your hot female attorney inadvertently waives jury because she has never tried a case before.

So it's hard to believe Musk is a hypocrite that censors people? He is a horribly unethical employer that violates every employment law on the books (discrimination, wage, overtime, safety, breaks, etc). He either loses at trial or settles and he can afford to take every case to trial if he wants.

As a former Bernie Bro, how can you think Musk is a hero? I realize he is part of the plan to blow up the system, and teach all us moderates a lesson we will never forget. He just wants those tax cuts from tRump (the 748 American billionaires got $2 trillion richer with those tax cuts).
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In reply to bearister • 8:27p, 8/31/24


Yep that Musk is such a dirt bag. He won't even hire asylum seekers for Space Ex.


Sorry it is a fox link. I couldn't find the original non fox link.
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In reply to HawaiiBear33 • 9:49p, 8/31/24
You don't like my issue so you purport to respond to my post by raising a different issue?
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In reply to bearister • 3:12p, 9/1/24
bearister said:
This is why you can't have a debate with a tRumpist. They kill the discussion at the front end.
Leftists don't debate, they lie, mislead, shut down speech or they attack the person, and play the victim afterwards.
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In reply to HawaiiBear33 • 10:29p, 9/1/24
HawaiiBear33 said:




What if someone wants to remove trump from planet earth?
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In reply to concordtom • 12:35a, 9/2/24
Test your faith in the media by watching this. It is almost 2 hours but flows smoothly so seems shorter.

But your complete and utter blind faith in the integrity of mainstream media and honesty of your politicians to not be turned by watching this.


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In reply to bearister • 12:43a, 9/2/24
My response was showing how part of your claim was based on ridiculous attacks by the Biden admin.

Show my employees of his who are unhappy. MSM is targeting him because he is just about the last uncensored media in existence. They will lie to vilify him and they will try to jail or kill him.

Your arguments are also moot because you said you are all for free speech but if you don't believe in free speech for those you hate then you don't believe in free speech at all.


They already got twitter to block Trumps account. Look at most of Europe, Brazil and more attacking free speech.


It must be really hard to see after being deceived for over a decade. Especially for smart people with too much pride to admit they have been fooled. It's easier to double down and keep quoting the MSM which is tooling you to be enslaved by globalists.
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In reply to bearister • 1:17a, 9/2/24
Barrister do you agree Musk should be imprisoned?

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3:00a, 9/2/24

Why is Brazil's regime so butthurt?
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In reply to HawaiiBear33 • 3:55a, 9/2/24
HawaiiBear33 said:

Those who censor free speech are NEVER the good guys
If you don't believe in free speech for those you hate the n you do not believe in free speech at all


What do you think, should Nazi hate propaganda have been censored? Or was it okay to spread hatred of Jews to the extent that a nation mobilized to kill 6M of them?
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In reply to concordtom • 7:15a, 9/2/24
concordtom said:
HawaiiBear33 said:

Those who censor free speech are NEVER the good guys
If you don't believe in free speech for those you hate the n you do not believe in free speech at all


What do you think, should Nazi hate propaganda have been censored? Or was it okay to spread hatred of Jews to the extent that a nation mobilized to kill 6M of them?
On Rwanda radio "cut down the tall trees"
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In reply to concordtom • 7:30a, 9/2/24
concordtom said:
HawaiiBear33 said:

Those who censor free speech are NEVER the good guys
If you don't believe in free speech for those you hate the n you do not believe in free speech at all


What do you think, should Nazi hate propaganda have been censored? Or was it okay to spread hatred of Jews to the extent that a nation mobilized to kill 6M of them?

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In reply to bearister • 7:40a, 9/2/24
bearister said:
Elon Musk has become the world's biggest hypocrite on free speech


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/jan/15/elon-musk-hypocrite-free-speech?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other


Journalist banned from X says 'free speech advocate' Musk is a hypocrite


https://protos.com/journalist-banned-from-x-says-free-speech-advocate-musk-is-a-hypocrite/

That journalist isn't banned from X:
https://x.com/christogrozev

Also, he is from Bellingcat, an outfit with close ties to the British intelligence apparatus, he's basically a mouthpiece for the British Ministry of Truth.

This being said, the Guardian article you have quoted is correct about certain pundits or reports on Gaza being curtailed by X:

Quote:
The latest example happened earlier this week when a group of leftwing journalists and commentators, including the Intercept's excellent reporter Ken Klippenstein, were mysteriously suspended from Twitter (sorry, I will always refuse to call it "X") without warning or notice as to why. The only thing all the accounts had in common was they had been critical of Israel's war in Gaza.

After a sustained outcry, their accounts were eventually restored. Musk claimed, with no proof, it was due to a spam purge which caught real accounts in it. If you want to chalk that up to coincidence, that might make sense in a vacuum. But that's not even his worst transgression in the past six weeks.

However, the level of censorship in X is nothing like the active, aggressive shutdowns on this subject and many others in Facebook, Youtube, TikTok and so forth. You don't see the Guardian or that MI6 cutout pundit calling out these media. The reason they are after Twitter is precisely because that platform doesn't censor content that runs opposite the MSM and official narrative.
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In reply to Cal88 • 7:54a, 9/2/24
Cal88 said:
concordtom said:
HawaiiBear33 said:

Those who censor free speech are NEVER the good guys
If you don't believe in free speech for those you hate the n you do not believe in free speech at all


What do you think, should Nazi hate propaganda have been censored? Or was it okay to spread hatred of Jews to the extent that a nation mobilized to kill 6M of them?



I notice you did not answer my question.
Again.
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In reply to concordtom • 8:06a, 9/2/24
These are good places to start:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy
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In reply to concordtom • 12:16p, 9/2/24
concordtom said:
HawaiiBear33 said:

Those who censor free speech are NEVER the good guys
If you don't believe in free speech for those you hate the n you do not believe in free speech at all
What do you think, should Nazi hate propaganda have been censored? Or was it okay to spread hatred of Jews to the extent that a nation mobilized to kill 6M of them?

Is Brazil banning Twitter because of Nazi hate propaganda?
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In reply to Cal88 • 12:17p, 9/2/24
Cal88 said:
These are good places to start:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy
Why can you not answer the question in your own words.
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In reply to calpoly • 12:58p, 9/2/24
calpoly said:
Cal88 said:
These are good places to start:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy
Why can you not answer the question in your own words.


My answer went over your head, over Tom's head, and over every head that cannot process the fact that reducing speech you don't like or approve of to nazism is ridiculously narrow-minded and constitutes a prime example of reductio ad hitlerum.
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