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BearlySane88
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DiabloWags said:

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DiabloWags said:

Not sure why my ECONOMY THREAD got locked so I will put this in the Tariff thread.

You know exactly why that thread got locked. It's because you and SBGold cannot control yourselves.




Sadly, you're terribly mistaken.

I was posting economic data, charts, and analysis while others were off-topic with their personal pettiness.
In fact, I started this thread in February 2025 and it had over 284,000 views and over 2,800 replies.

It was a great thread because it lacked the typical political BS that we see dominate this forum.
It clearly wasn't your cup of tea.


The Economy | Bear Insider





It was entirely full of political BS. I'm not sure what thread you were participating in.

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/125946/replies/2691257

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/125946/replies/2691263
DiabloWags
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I believe the last topic I was discussing was the Labor Force Participation Rate.

But for some reason, someone else was talking about the Trump, Obama, Bush, and Clinton Administrations.
Politics.

So I guess you'd be right.



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Trump now rebuilding his Tariff Wall citing forced labor.

Follow the bouncing ball.





Free link for those who care:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-06-03/us-proposes-broad-tariffs-of-at-least-10-citing-forced-labor?accessToken=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJzb3VyY2UiOiJTdWJzY3JpYmVyR2lmdGVkQXJ0aWNsZSIsImlhdCI6MTc4MDUwMjA5NSwiZXhwIjoxNzgxMTA2ODk1LCJhcnRpY2xlSWQiOiJURjhOTVlLSkg2VjcwMCIsImJjb25uZWN0SWQiOiI0QTE0NjgyRTVEQjI0RDgyOEVGOTIxMzA1M0U4NzhDMiJ9.s-fEvoUnWEWq5fsvKIPUHbz6P9J71h_Y0lpUUMLyKuA
Cal88
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"Forced labor" in Canada, Finland, Germany etc?
dajo9
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movielover said:

Can they wait a longer time for not-top-shelf equipment? Can they maintain two separate fleets and training?

Why agree to trade deals, and then welch? Is it worth it for us to maintain a huge trade deficit, and pay for their defense, for MIC orders?


Can you provide a source for this trade deal that is non-American (and I don't mean amuse who is probably not American, but a bonafide source). Not saying it didn't happen, I'd just like to know what the perspective of the agreement was from the other side. Our side is not trustworthy.
cal83dls79
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This is so stupid. We aren't punishing anyone but ourselves. If there were ever an arbitrary means by which to impose these penalties this is it. He's so hell bent on these tariffs despite zero current evidence of their success, rather quite the contrary. Watch as he loses in the courts on this as well. He's on a major losing streak.
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cal83dls79 said:

This is so stupid. We aren't punishing anyone but ourselves. If there were ever an arbitrary means by which to impose these penalties this is it. He's so hell bent on these tariffs despite zero current evidence of their success, rather quite the contrary. Watch as loses in the courts on this as well. He's on a major losing streak.

just imo the only thing T cares about is getting his beak wet.
[ arguably meaningless to folks of our age ] # knee jerk reaction
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More tariffs going into effect in 30 days.
I'm sure this will solve our trade deficit . . . or was it a fentanyl problem?

Or is Trump upset that Canada didn't use any rakes to fix their forest fire risk?

Trump announces 50% tariffs focused on Canadian autos, dairy, and alcohol in response to 'continued discrimination'
BearlySane88
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ProBonoBear415 said:

More tariffs going into effect in 30 days.
I'm sure this will solve our trade deficit . . . or was it a fentanyl problem?

Or is Trump upset that Canada didn't use any rakes to fix their forest fire risk?

Trump announces 50% tariffs focused on Canadian autos, dairy, and alcohol in response to 'continued discrimination'



Ask Wags, he loves talking about tariffs and a slight suspicion that you two would agree with each other on everything
cal83dls79
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ProBonoBear415 said:

More tariffs going into effect in 30 days.
I'm sure this will solve our trade deficit . . . or was it a fentanyl problem?

Or is Trump upset that Canada didn't use any rakes to fix their forest fire risk?

Trump announces 50% tariffs focused on Canadian autos, dairy, and alcohol in response to 'continued discrimination'

great timing, will definitely spur more Canadian tourists in the middle of summer here in Troy Jackson Country
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TRUMP IS AN IDIOT, THINKS HE CAN MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN BY TAXING IMPORT CONSUMPTION AND IMPORTED PRODUCTION INPUTS

IF HE DOESNT THINK IT WILL MAGA, HE THINKS HE CAN BOMB OTHER COUNTRIES MORE WITH THE MONEY.

HIS ECONOMIC PLANS SUCK. JUST LOOK AT THE BOTTOM BOLDED PARAGRAPH - HE CANT FORMULATE A COHESIVE PLAN THAT WORKS TO SAVE HIS A…ADMINISTRATION


Background:

The U.S. Supreme Court struck down President Donald Trump's sweeping global tariff regime in a historic 6-3 decision on February 20, 2026, ruling that the executive branch overstepped its constitutional boundaries. The Court determined that the power to levy taxes and tariffs rests explicitly with Congress. This ruling triggered a massive financial unwind, forcing the federal government to begin issuing more than $130 billion in refunds to impacted importers.

Following the high court's decision, the Trump administration attempted multiple stopgap workarounds to keep import protections alive, including a secondary 10% tariff that was subsequently struck down by the U.S. Court of International Trade (CIT) in May 2026. Despite these back-to-back judicial defeats, the administration launched a fresh wave of tariffs under alternative statutory authority in late July 2026.


So, here we go, below, with attempt number 3, which should again be struck down:





WASHINGTON, July 24 - The United States on Friday imposed new tariffs of 10% and 12.5% on goods from 60 trading partners, including the EU and China, alleging those countries failed to curb imports made by forced labor, just as a temporary 10% global tariff expired.

The move is the White House's first step in efforts to rebuild President Donald Trump's near-global tariff wall after the U.S. Supreme Court in February struck down his "reciprocal" duties of 10% to 50% imposed last year under a national emergencies law to try to shrink the U.S. trade deficit.

New Tariffs as Old Ones Expire

Trump's temporary 10% global tariff expired at 12:01 a.m. EDT on Friday (0401 GMT) after 150 days. The new duties took effect at that exact same moment, with goods in transit exempted until 12:01 a.m. EDT on July 28.

The New Tariff Structure

Announced by U.S. Trade Representative Jamieson Greer, the new regime invents a new two-tiered system covering roughly 99.4% of all U.S. imports.

The tier assigned to a nation depends on its enforcement of anti-forced labor practices:

Tariff Rate of 10.0%
is Imposed on nations with active domestic statutes or commitments against forced labor, including Canada, Mexico, India, and the United Kingdom.

Tariff Rate of 12.5%
is Imposed on nations deemed to have failed in curbing forced labor within their supply chains, including China (and Hong Kong), Australia, Japan, South Korea, Brazil, and the European Union.


Legal and Strategic Pivots:

The new tariffs represent an administrative shift to reconstruct a near-global trade wall after major legal setbacks:

Bypassing the Courts: In February, the U.S. Supreme Court struck down broad, open-ended global tariffs originally enacted under emergency economic powers, forcing the government to issue massive refund checks to importers.

Legally Durable Foundation: Rather than utilizing emergency powers, the administration enacted these new duties under Section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974. According to trade experts, Section 301 has historically survived court challenges, allowing the tariffs to remain in place indefinitely.

Product Exemptions: To limit immediate market shocks, several categories are exempt, including oil, gas, fertilizers, certain electronics, and agricultural products. Goods already subject to existing national security provisions (such as steel and aluminum) are also excluded.


International and Domestic Response


The unilateral trade strategy has drawn sharp rebukes globally and domestically:

Global Protests: Foreign officials have voiced immediate opposition. The Australian Trade Ministry called the duties "completely unjustified," while the Chinese Foreign Ministry warned that escalated trade wars serve no party's interests. European Union officials expressed a "negative surprise" but noted the 10% rate aligned with previous trade agreement caps.

Economic Revenue Shortfalls: Projections by the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget (CRFB) show that while the package will generate around $950 billion by 2036, it leaves a 40% revenue shortfall compared to original administration goals intended to pay down the national debt, following the Supreme Court's prior invalidations.

More Action Pending: The administration is pursuing separate trade actions, including a scheduled 50% tariff on select Canadian imports and an ongoing secondary investigation into global manufacturing "excess capacity".
cal83dls79
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Now even the right is questioning his tariff baloney
and promises given his new fight with Canada while at war, rising prices, remodeling projects, Kushner-led diplomacy and countless side projects and pieces.
Susie C not happy today in Maine.
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Cal88
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What an incredibly dumb move to pick a fight with Canada, supplier of 2/3 of US oil imports and electricity to millions of American households during the biggest energy crisis of the century.

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Canada wanted to use their border with the US to transship Chinese goods to evade tariffs on their non-market economy.
DiabloWags
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BearlySane88 said:

Canada wanted to use their border with the US to transship Chinese goods to evade tariffs on their non-market economy.


Anyone that ever took an Econ. 1 class would know full well that there are unintended consequences of tariffs.

And more times than not, you wind up pushing your "friend" into the hands of your enemy with tariffs.

Trump is just too stupid to understand this.
He really is the DUMBEST PRESIDENT IN MY LIFETIME.

cal83dls79
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Not only can he start regular old wars with bombs and such he starts meaningless trade wars. The FIFA Peace Prize winner looking for more winning.

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/the-dumbest-trade-war-revisited-57c9fe81?st=qc8Btr

Trump: Go F yourself Ford!

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/donald-trump-auto-tariffs-50-percent-canada-ford-motors-7111dadb?st=opVbnb

Wags must have been the contributing editor in this first WSJ editorial with the "dumb" reference. Nice job wags

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The trade war with Canada was worsened by special interests paying off Trump.



"People keep asking why Trump suddenly got so hostile toward Canada this year.

It's not just the usual trade talk. Look at the Gordie Howe Bridge.

Canada spent billions building a brand new public bridge between Detroit and Windsor. It was basically ready to open. The problem? It sits right next to the Ambassador Bridge, which is privately owned by the Moroun family and has been a monopoly cash machine for decades.

Matthew Moroun (the guy who runs it) writes a $1 million check to a Trump super PAC in January. A few weeks later he gets a meeting with Commerce Secretary Lutnick. Hours after that meeting, Trump posts that he's blocking the new bridge from opening until Canada "compensates" the U.S. and gives us half ownership.

That's the moment the temperature with Canada went from tense to open trade war talk.

The Morouns spent 15 years and tens of millions trying to kill this bridge. They finally got the White House to do the heavy lifting for them. Suddenly "Canada is taking advantage of us" became the daily message."
DiabloWags
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cal83dls79 said:

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Wags must have been the contributing editor in this first WSJ editorial with the "dumb" reference. Nice job wags




A free link for my good old MAGA bros.
No need to spend $1,100.00 on a WSJ subscription.
I'm such a nice guy!

Question: Why does Trump want to punish FORD MOTOR so badly?









https://www.wsj.com/opinion/the-dumbest-trade-war-revisited-57c9fe81?st=mm3zyk&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
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I LOVE A GOOD TRADE WAR DON'T YOU?

BECAUSE THEY ARE SO EASY TO WIN!!!

DiabloWags
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Ontario Premier Doug Ford telling it like it is.






Canada's Doug Ford compares Trump to school bully, says 'he'd take your lunch money, steal your running shoes' as tariff fight deepens - The Economic Times
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Trump needs lower interest rates, lower oil prices and lower inflation. I'm not sure by these actions that he even cares about the midterms
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More WINNING with TARIFFS!

Trump crushing American manufacturers yet again.
RYAM is based in Jacksonville, Florida.

MAGA!







Canadian plant announces mass layoffs over US tariff "nuclear bomb"
DiabloWags
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More tariff hypocrisy by the Trump Administration.

So much for being upset about countries using forced labor, like China.

Anyone seen any forced labor lately in Western Europe?

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/07/31/the-us-is-asking-countries-to-step-up-forced-labor-enforcement-its-own-is-weakening-01016174

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Trump's getting desperate.

Look no further than his 50% tariffs on CANADA.

Trump turned to a 96-year-old statute so obscure that many trade lawyers didn't even know it was still on the books.

A week ago, Trump invoked Section 338 of the Tariff Act of 1930 to slap a 50% tax on $20 billion worth of Canadian imports. The move prompted dollar-for-dollar retaliation from Ottawa and strained already-tense relations between the neighbors and longtime allies.

The president's Section 338 tariff authority has never been used, let alone tested in court. "This law is literally a blank canvas because it's never been litigated,'' said Ryan Majerus, a partner at King & Spalding and a former U.S. trade official.


https://apnews.com/article/trump-tariff-canada-supreme-court-depression-e5501950e025dbe8df2b7ec662dbe2e4
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In July, the monthly trade deficit in goods hit the HIGHEST LEVEL since March 2025, according to the Commerce Department last Thursday.

March of 2025 was the month before Trump's announcement last year of MASSIVE TARIFFS on products from nearly every country in the world.








Opinion | Trade deficit cannot be controlled by tariffs - The Washington Post


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DiabloWags said:





In July, the monthly trade deficit in goods hit the HIGHEST LEVEL since March 2025, according to the Commerce Department last Thursday.

March of 2025 was the month before Trump's announcement last year of MASSIVE TARIFFS on products from nearly every country in the world.








Opinion | Trade deficit cannot be controlled by tariffs - The Washington Post



where did all of the tariff believers on this site go? They haven't done jack
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cal83dls79 said:

where did all of the tariff believers on this site go? They haven't done jack


You mean the ones that said tariffs aren't a tax and they are going to make us rich?
One of them is still in the Oval Office.

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Tariffs do "lower" prices LOL!!! This is hilarious. Watch it be sold as Tariff Sales Event!

https://www.wsj.com/cfo-journal/companies-plow-tariff-refunds-into-price-cuts-appealing-to-stretched-consumers-c5f683b1?st=zmPpGR
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Trump's tariffs are working like a charm!

MAGA!!!



Three views of the U.S. trade deficit | FRED Blog
DiabloWags
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He's absolutely delusional.
Tariffs cost Ford Motor Company $2 BILLION alone in 2025.








Trump Says Tariffs Saved the U.S. Auto Industry. The Data Tells a Different Story
DiabloWags
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Because Trade Wars are so easy to win!

Thanks Donald.






Canada's retaliatory tariffs set to hit US products as Trump warns of escalation
 
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