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Just thought I'd post a photo from the era of MX bikes that I grew up with. Simply gorgeous!

As you may recall, the surfing cinema-photographer Bruce Brown came out with a movie in 1971 called ON ANY SUNDAY in which desert racer Malcolm Smith was featured in much of the movie on his trusty Husky, along with Steve McQueen.

Those were the days!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Any_Sunday


DiabloWags
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Release of the Trump Auto Tariffs to be Announced at 4PM EST today.

More pain for the American car buyer.

MAGA!!!

Trump set to announce tariffs on auto imports

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THANK YOU PRESIDENT TRUMP FOR INCREASING THE VALUE OF MY CAR BY 25%

MAGA!!!

concordtom
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Trump answered a question today.

Q: Is there any possibility that these new tariffs are removed, or are they permanent for the rest of your term?

A: Oh, no, these are set forever.

It was very clear, his answer.

In his press conference he sounded cogent, unrestrained, but an absolute incredible peddler of lies. He is such an ass. I hate him passionately.
He was mocking a questioner about wearing a (breathing) mask. And that was the least of it. Absolutely rude and lying son of a beach. I really wish he would die, die, die!
concordtom
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Your car is not going up by 25%.
People aren't going to have money to buy it.
concordtom
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Here's what's going to happen.
Trump is going to depress the economy for 4 years. People are going to retrench, and when the Democrats come back into power (as things always rotate, unless they professionally kill democracy) then they will proclaim a belief in Free Trade. This will usher in a wave of massive new trade, unleash pent up demand, and a huge economic rally.

Park in bonds for 4 years. (just a tought, because what's going to be his stimulus? All I see him doing is killing things.)
DiabloWags
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concordtom said:

Your car is not going up by 25%.
People aren't going to have money to buy it.

Probably true.



concordtom
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I like the sexy yellow peek-a-boo lingerie, though!

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DiabloWags said:








chazzed
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Maybe Trump should announce more tariffs. The prospect of his tariffs are doing wonders for the U.S. economy and stock market.
DiabloWags
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MAGA FOR MORONS

SO MUCH WINNING!!!






DiabloWags
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We're about to send the economy into a Recession with massive stagflation.
Trump is enamored with William McKinley.

And that's NOT a good thing.



DiabloWags
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Reciprocal tariffs go into effect tomorrow.

Japan doesnt even have tariffs on imported vehicles.
And it appears that they will still get hit with the new effective 27.5% tariff.
The idea that these auto tariffs are reciprocal in any way is a FARCE.


Trump says he's planning more tariffs on April 2, calling it "Liberation Day." Here's what it means. - CBS News

DiabloWags
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These tariff numbers that the Trump Administration claims are charged to the U.S. are totally bogus.

There is no 50% tariff on U.S. exports into South Korea.
We have a trade agreement with them cause they let us park our missiles there instead of in Hawaii which takes an extra 8-minutes to get to North Korea.

Same with the EU.
There is no 39% tariff on U.S. exports.
We have a trade agreement with them.

And Japan has no U.S. export tariffs on American cars.
They have strict safety and environmental regulations that act as nontariff barriers that apply to all imported cars, not just U.S.

These numbers are total garbage.

wraptor347
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The supposed "tariff" is in actuality the trade balance ratio.

https://reddit.com/r/economy/comments/1jq1qji/trumps_tariff_numbers_are_just_trade_balance/

Do people actually believe Cambodia has a 97% tariff on us goods?
DiabloWags
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Yup.
You hit the nail on the head.
They are a total farce. Have nothing to do with reality.

THEY ARE NOT RECIPROCAL.
THAT'S A LIE.

Peter Navarro, Scott Bessent, and Trump.

These people are MORONS.

Trump's 'Reciprocal' Tariff Formula Is All About Trade Deficits
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-04-03/trump-s-reciprocal-tariff-formula-is-all-about-trade-deficits

concordtom
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His stated rationale for tariffs is what, that other countries are taking advantage of us and so we are tariffing them? Is that it?

I think Trump has correctly identified that the US is in big trouble with our national debt and our ongoing annual deficits. So, I think he wants to tackle that.

He can do so by:

1) cutting spending in the normal process. But Congress will be slow to approve cuts because they'll be held responsible for passing bills that hurt local constituents and voted out. That's probably not going to happen.

2) taxing Americans in the normal process, again by passing bills through congress. Congress elections are funded in large part by Dark Money high income individuals and orgs. Congress doesn't want to raise their INCOME TAXES.

3). So, Trump is raising money by taxing 100% of Americans in one fast easy fell swoop in a move that is like a flat tax (universally applied) on everyone.

Tariffs are considered regressive and don't hurt the rich to the same extent as income taxes.

Trump's problem is that en masse he's going to kill the economy and HE will suffer the political consequences. Unless he can create a way to stay in power.
Should be interesting. Dictatorship in the making.
DiabloWags
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Gee, I guess your $1,000 iPhone will now be costing $1,500

Say goodbye to consumer spending.

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Harm to American exports.
Mr. Trump's unilateral tariffs blow up those arrangements and invite retaliation. U.S. exports will suffer directly from retaliatory tariffs. And they will suffer indirectly as other countries strike trade deals that give preferential treatment to non-U.S. firms. Think of Brazil's soybean bonanza after Mr. Trump's China tariffs in his first term.

A bigger Washington swamp.
Tariffs impose costs that businesses will want to avoid. They will thus be a windfall for Beltway lobbyists as companies and countries seek exemptions from this or that border tax.

Mr. Trump is saying there will be no tariff exemptions. But watch that promise vanish as politicians, including Mr. Trump, see exemptions as a way to leverage campaign contributions from business. Liberation Day is Buy Another Yacht Day for the swamp.

The end of U.S. economic leadership.
Britain played this role through World War I, but it was too weakened by war to continue. The U.S. didn't take up the leadership mantle until after depression and World War II. U.S. leadership and the decision to spread free trade produced seven decades of mostly rising prosperity at home and abroad. The U.S. share of global GDP has been stable at about 25% for decades, even as industries rise and fall.

That era is now ending, as Mr. Trump adopts a more mercantile vision of trade and U.S. self-interest. The result is likely to be every nation for itself, as countries seek to carve up global markets based not on market efficiency but for political advantage. In the worst case, the world trading system could devolve into beggar-thy-neighbor policies as in the 1930s.

The cost in lost American influence will be considerable.
Mr. Trump thinks the lure of the U.S. market and American military power are enough to bend countries to his will. But soft power also matters, and that includes being able to trust America's word as a reliable ally and trading partner. Mr. Trump is shattering that trust as he punishes allies and blows up the USMCA that he negotiated in his first term.

A major opportunity for China. The great irony of Mr. Trump's tariffs is that he justifies them in part as a diplomatic tool against China. Yet in his first term Mr. Trump abandoned the Asia-Pacific trade deal that excluded China. Beijing has since struck its own deal with many of those countries.

Mr. Trump's new tariff onslaught is giving China another opening to use its large market to court American allies. South Korea and Japan are the first targets, but Europe is on China's list. Closer trade ties with China, amid doubts about access to the U.S. market, will make these countries less likely to join the U.S. to impose export controls on technology to China or to ban the next Huawei.

This is far from a comprehensive list, but we offer them as food for thought as Mr. Trump builds his new protectionist world. Remaking the world economy has large consequences, and they may not all add up to what Mr. Trump advertises as a new "golden age."


Trump's New Protectionist Age - WSJ


https://www.wsj.com/opinion/donald-trump-liberation-day-tariffs-protectionism-82d0aa3a


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https://www.dazn.com/en-US/news/golf/us-president-donald-trump-to-attend-liv-golf-in-miami/15qz5fwasift1mbn8w8zxu8wh


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concordtom said:

His stated rationale for tariffs is what, that other countries are taking advantage of us and so we are tariffing them? Is that it?



Yes.

But no one in the international trade industry has ever seen the "formula" that they rolled out last night.
It's a "metric" that Trump and his minions totally made up.

The tariff "numbers" that they put out are totally bogus.
And they aren't reciprocal. They are based off of a trade imbalance.

South Korea doesn't have a 50% tariff on U.S. imports.
EU doesn't have a 39% tariff on U.S. imports.
Switzerland doesn't have a 61% tariff on U.S. imports

It's zero.







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Are we winning yet?
DiabloWags
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CalWSportsFan said:

Are we winning yet?
SO MUCH WINNING!!!

EVERYONE'S 401K IS UP HUUUUUUUUUGE SINCE TRUMP WAS SWORN IN.

CONSUMERS FEEL THE WEALTH EFFECT AND WILL BE SPENDING BIGLY.

GDP WILL BE SOARING!

THIS IS GREAT NEWS!

MAGA!!!
socaltownie
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I want to give one "real world" example of why this is SO stupid. I work adjacent to commercial real estate. Right now in our market vacancy rates for industrial/distribution is running about 7%. That isn't abnormal for anyplace with a decent economy and where on-shorting makes the most sense (talent, capital, proximity to logistical infrastructure, etc.). Some markets (inland empire) are softer but that is because the huge distribution buildings are hurting and overbuilt and are unlikely to be turn key candidates for manufacturing.

So this begs the question - if the tariffs are going to lead to a wave of onshoring where do we find the space? Likewise, skill manufacturing technicians and others that support modern manufacturing are in short supply. Who is going to fill those jobs.

There is an argument (a decent one) that our relationship with CHINA needed to be rethought. Good data is emerging that allowing them into the WTO was a mistake. But the current policies are insanity and going to do nothing more than drive demand over a cliff. Then we WILL have space in my market but no one to fill them as tthe demand destruction on the consumer side is going to be epic.

Still kicking myself I didn't do the smart thing and put my entire portfolio into cash. I got too exuberant when they killed Matt geatz - not realizing that this was because he was an *******, not because they actually believed that crackpot arsonists are bad.
DiabloWags
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Trump's "substitution model" is pure Fantasy.

Will we start growing coffee in Hawaii?
How about bananas?

Consumer choice will be decline as prices surge higher.
Brilliant!

Never mind the fact that we currently have a 1.9 million employee labor shortage in the Manufacturing sector..
DiabloWags
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Yup.


concordtom
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DiabloWags said:

CalWSportsFan said:

Are we winning yet?
SO MUCH WINNING!!!

EVERYONE'S 401K IS UP HUUUUUUUUUGE SINCE TRUMP WAS SWORN IN.

CONSUMERS FEEL THE WEALTH EFFECT AND WILL BE SPENDING BIGLY.

GDP WILL BE SOARING!

THIS IS GREAT NEWS!

MAGA!!!



In other words , F___ Y__, to all those who voted for the clown once again.

Noticeably, they have been very quiet - no defense for his actions here.
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concordtom said:

DiabloWags said:

CalWSportsFan said:

Are we winning yet?
SO MUCH WINNING!!!

EVERYONE'S 401K IS UP HUUUUUUUUUGE SINCE TRUMP WAS SWORN IN.

CONSUMERS FEEL THE WEALTH EFFECT AND WILL BE SPENDING BIGLY.

GDP WILL BE SOARING!

THIS IS GREAT NEWS!

MAGA!!!



In other words , F___ Y__, to all those who voted for the clown once again.

Noticeably, they have been very quiet - no defense for his actions here.


Sometimes it is better to take a patient, measured approach than be a crying baby telling people F U.
concordtom
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Based on your post, I thought this relevant.

concordtom
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oski003 said:

concordtom said:

DiabloWags said:

CalWSportsFan said:

Are we winning yet?
SO MUCH WINNING!!!

EVERYONE'S 401K IS UP HUUUUUUUUUGE SINCE TRUMP WAS SWORN IN.

CONSUMERS FEEL THE WEALTH EFFECT AND WILL BE SPENDING BIGLY.

GDP WILL BE SOARING!

THIS IS GREAT NEWS!

MAGA!!!



In other words , F___ Y__, to all those who voted for the clown once again.

Noticeably, they have been very quiet - no defense for his actions here.


Sometimes it is better to take a patient, measured approach than be a crying baby telling people F U.


Wait?
Okay, how long and how deep do you give this current tend?

Will you base it on stock market? GDP? Inflation?
Or maybe it will be social declines, or some military incursion, or…

Please, let me know ahead of time how much pain is acceptable to you before you cave.
And then I can tell you F U again then.
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Norfolk Island in the Pacific, is an Australian territory with a population of around 2,000 people, received more severe tariff treatment. The Trump administration, in its calculation, said the former British penal colony charges the United States 58% tariffs and it responded with a tariff rate of 29% on Norfolk Island, whose economy revolves around tourism. It's about 1,600 kilometers (1,000 miles) east of Sydney, or the middle of the ocean .

Norfolk Island Administrator George Plant, the Australian government's representative on the island, was looking into what was behind it. "To my knowledge, we do not export anything to the United States," he told the AP. "We don't charge tariffs on anything. I can't think of any non-tariff barriers that would be in place either, so we're scratching our heads here."
oski003
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concordtom said:

oski003 said:

concordtom said:

DiabloWags said:

CalWSportsFan said:

Are we winning yet?
SO MUCH WINNING!!!

EVERYONE'S 401K IS UP HUUUUUUUUUGE SINCE TRUMP WAS SWORN IN.

CONSUMERS FEEL THE WEALTH EFFECT AND WILL BE SPENDING BIGLY.

GDP WILL BE SOARING!

THIS IS GREAT NEWS!

MAGA!!!



In other words , F___ Y__, to all those who voted for the clown once again.

Noticeably, they have been very quiet - no defense for his actions here.


Sometimes it is better to take a patient, measured approach than be a crying baby telling people F U.


Wait?
Okay, how long and how deep do you give this current tend?

Will you base it on stock market? GDP? Inflation?
Or maybe it will be social declines, or some military incursion, or…

Please, let me know ahead of time how much pain is acceptable to you before you cave.
And then I can tell you F U again then.


10 years ago, a customer of mine asked for an American made brand. We stocked about 100 brands in a 50,000 square foot warehouse. Only one brand was still made in America, despite more than half of them being American brands. While Trump certainly acts like a crazy guy wielding a hammer, I do feel some manufacturing should come home. I also don't like that China steals IP when we make product there. I am not sure the answer, and I certainly hope we don't drop VTI much more than the 9% we have YTD.
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socaltownie said:

I want to give one "real world" example of why this is SO stupid. I work adjacent to commercial real estate. Right now in our market vacancy rates for industrial/distribution is running about 7%. That isn't abnormal for anyplace with a decent economy and where on-shorting makes the most sense (talent, capital, proximity to logistical infrastructure, etc.). Some markets (inland empire) are softer but that is because the huge distribution buildings are hurting and overbuilt and are unlikely to be turn key candidates for manufacturing.

So this begs the question - if the tariffs are going to lead to a wave of onshoring where do we find the space? Likewise, skill manufacturing technicians and others that support modern manufacturing are in short supply. Who is going to fill those jobs.

There is an argument (a decent one) that our relationship with CHINA needed to be rethought. Good data is emerging that allowing them into the WTO was a mistake. But the current policies are insanity and going to do nothing more than drive demand over a cliff. Then we WILL have space in my market but no one to fill them as tthe demand destruction on the consumer side is going to be epic.

Still kicking myself I didn't do the smart thing and put my entire portfolio into cash. I got too exuberant when they killed Matt geatz - not realizing that this was because he was an *******, not because they actually believed that crackpot arsonists are bad.
The other thing is that standing up a factory takes a lot of time and investment. Any business owner will want to believe that the current financial reality will remain stable in order to justify that investment.

Will most of them see stability in the current administration's approach? I don't think so.
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wifeisafurd said:

Norfolk Island in the Pacific, is an Australian territory with a population of around 2,000 people, received more severe tariff treatment. The Trump administration, in its calculation, said the former British penal colony charges the United States 58% tariffs and it responded with a tariff rate of 29% on Norfolk Island, whose economy revolves around tourism. It's about 1,600 kilometers (1,000 miles) east of Sydney, or the middle of the ocean .

Norfolk Island Administrator George Plant, the Australian government's representative on the island, was looking into what was behind it. "To my knowledge, we do not export anything to the United States," he told the AP. "We don't charge tariffs on anything. I can't think of any non-tariff barriers that would be in place either, so we're scratching our heads here."
I'm going to reference my earlier post about the San Francisco school board and how they drove themselves into a ditch based on an unfettered, evidence-free devotion to wokeness.

This is the right-wing version of that. Never mind these obvious mistakes, like tariffing countries that aren't even countries! This is the way forward! MAGA wokeness.
DiabloWags
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sycasey said:




Will most of them see stability in the current administration's approach? I don't think so.

There is no "stability" when previous trade agreements like USMCA that this fool negotiated are ripped up by the same fool.

 
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