sp4149;842839611 said:

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Overall I concede ER costs are a major problem, however it is a fallacy to assume that Hospitals always treat or provide ER care to everyone.

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Yes of course - ER coverage is nowhere near sufficient - but it is the only coverage for a large segment of our population and represents a large set of costs.

Interestingly, there are a lot of people with insurance who still only receive healthcare through ER even though they have access to other services so even providing universal healthcare coverage wouldn't necessarily change that overnight. Here's one study that gets into it in Canada:

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Frequent ED users have previously been characterized as individuals of low socioeconomic status with limited access to primary care, often presenting with nonurgent complaints. However, recent studies have found that this group of frequent attenders also includes many patients who have complex medical issues and adequate access to primary care services.2 In light of the heterogeneity of this group, more research is needed to clearly define the potential subgroups of frequent users in order to develop intervention strategies.

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OdontoBear66;842839578 said:

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In 1992-1994 Hillary did more to make lifetime strong feelings (amongst many, many Americans) against her than at any other time. She acted as Bill's Presidency was a two for one and pushed way too hard as a FLOTUS. Walls went up against her right then, and never came down for some. Came to offset the first woman as President "glass ceiling" phenomena that she represented. Most agree that there will be a woman as President, and soon, just not her.

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That's great. Hillary still got more votes for President than anybody else last year.

"lock him up"

Lmfao

dajo9;842839625 said:

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That's great. Hillary still got more votes for President than anybody else last year.

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Yeah, I think this is a little bit revisionist history. Her approval rating was 67% in 1998 so she obviously recovered in the eyes of the public and many of the disapprovers are dead or would never vote for a democrat anyway. There are plenty of people who claim that they don't have problems with women and that it's just Hillary, but they will always find reasons to not vote for a woman and yet they hold their nose and vote for people like Trump.

Whether people like Odonto want to admit it, the iron my shirt guy was not alone.

OdontoBear66;842839578 said:

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In 1992-1994 Hillary did more to make lifetime strong feelings (amongst many, many Americans) against her than at any other time. She acted as Bill's Presidency was a two for one and pushed way too hard as a FLOTUS. Walls went up against her right then, and never came down for some. Came to offset the first woman as President "glass ceiling" phenomena that she represented. Most agree that there will be a woman as President, and soon, just not her.

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It has been entertaining watching this thread and all of the opinions dressed as rhetoric. Most of it is pretty far off. Not sure I can articulate or agree with Odonto's political worldview - simply because I am not paying attention to specific avatars, but his comment stands out as the most accurate in the 30+ pages of posts.

Hilary seemed like one of the most unelectable personas decades ago. Guess what, nothing changed since then. The fact that she won the nomination and lost the election is just more of the sideshow.

Unit2Sucks;842839594 said:

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....I would also like to see transparent pricing for healthcare. There should be a price and the price is the same regardless of who is paying it....

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Noble sentiment and you are on the right track, but I suggest that everyone stop thinking about Healthcare and start breaking it down into dozens of component levels. For example, your commodity pricing theory is OK for medications, but not for oncology treatment or even orthopedic surgery. The treatment and results vary too much based on location, facilities and the specialists providing the care.

See - I just broke healthcare into at least two significantly different categories: Medication and Surgery. Now do that about a thousand times and start solving the problem.

I'm not suggesting the problem is insoluble, just pointing out that lumping it into a single term: Healthcare just turns the collections of challenges into a giant amorphous demon - that suggests that a single hero with a big sword can slay it.

Well, we seem to have an answer to the original question.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?tid=a_breakingnews&utm_term=.ae9061803a41

Beached - that's actually not what I intended, I could have been more clear. I mean that a healthcare provider shouldn't be able to charge you $x for a procedure and another person $y. I am not saying that different providers can't charge different prices, even for the same procedure.

Imagine walking into a restaurant with your buddy to order burgers from a menu without prices and then two months later you find out that your burger cost $10 because you have great food insurance but your buddy's burger cost $300 because he doesn't have any.

Some healthcare providers to have price sheets and transparency so it's not impossible.

BeachedBear;842839637 said:

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Noble sentiment and you are on the right track, but I suggest that everyone stop thinking about Healthcare and start breaking it down into dozens of component levels. For example, your commodity pricing theory is OK for medications, but not for oncology treatment or even orthopedic surgery. The treatment and results vary too much based on location, facilities and the specialists providing the care.

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Unit2Sucks;842839629 said:

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Yeah, I think this is a little bit revisionist history. Her approval rating was 67% in 1998 so she obviously recovered in the eyes of the public and many of the disapprovers are dead or would never vote for a democrat anyway. There are plenty of people who claim that they don't have problems with women and that it's just Hillary, but they will always find reasons to not vote for a woman and yet they hold their nose and vote for people like Trump.

Whether people like Odonto want to admit it, the iron my shirt guy was not alone.

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I dunno, I only voted for Hilary because she was running against Trump and I felt Trump was the greater of two evils and I think a lot of people thought similarly. Even though I disagree with a lot of republican establishment politics if Cruz or Rubio come out of the primaries instead of trump, I probably would have voted republican this year just because like a lot of people, I just dont find her to be trustworthy. when people say its her and not necessarily because shes a woman, i tend to believe it from a decent percentage. Having her as the Democratic candidate just shows how out of tune the party is with more moderate voters.

Unit2Sucks;842839640 said:

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Beached - that's actually not what I intended, I could have been more clear. I mean that a healthcare provider shouldn't be able to charge you $x for a procedure and another person $y. I am not saying that different providers can't charge different prices, even for the same procedure.

Imagine walking into a restaurant with your buddy to order burgers from a menu without prices and then two months later you find out that your burger cost $10 because you have great food insurance but your buddy's burger cost $300 because he doesn't have any.

Some healthcare providers to have price sheets and transparency so it's not impossible.

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Got it. Have you ever eaten at a restaurant in Paris?

Unit2Sucks;842839629 said:

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Yeah, I think this is a little bit revisionist history. Her approval rating was 67% in 1998 so she obviously recovered in the eyes of the public and many of the disapprovers are dead or would never vote for a democrat anyway. There are plenty of people who claim that they don't have problems with women and that it's just Hillary, but they will always find reasons to not vote for a woman and yet they hold their nose and vote for people like Trump.

Whether people like Odonto want to admit it, the iron my shirt guy was not alone.

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Yup. I suspect boomers or those strongly fixated to the boomer era think that Hilary's actions as flotus was stepping beyond of the role of the doting steford wife. The much prefer a mail order bride like Melania. These same people, while they will decry Trump's overt poosie grabbing behavior, will accept it over an aggressive ambitious woman(or in their mind, a b!tch).

BeachedBear;842839642 said:

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Got it. Have you ever eaten at a restaurant in Paris?

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:bravo

burritos;842839643 said:

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Yup. I suspect boomers or those strongly fixated to the boomer era think that Hilary's actions as flotus was stepping beyond of the role of the doting steford wife. The much prefer a mail order bride like Melania. These same people, while they will decry Trump's overt poosie grabbing behavior, will accept it over an aggressive ambitious woman(or in their mind, a b!tch).

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More white women voted for Trump than Clinton- bitsh on bit$h

BeachedBear;842839642 said:

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Got it. Have you ever eaten at a restaurant in Paris?

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It's like when the 5oz Lobster because an 8 ounce lobster on the bill

dajo9;842839625 said:

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That's great. Hillary still got more votes for President than anybody else last year.

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Most votes, wrong places, still equals a loss. Change the rules and you're right dajo.

sp4149;842839611 said:

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Somehow I would expect the health care industry to vigorously fight transparent pricing; led by Big Pharma. One pricing structure that needs to change, and has been opposed by the GOP, is for Medicare to pay higher prices for prescription drugs than health care insurers like Blue Cross/Blue shield.

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They will fight it vigorously to the end. The current system is designed to maximize profit. Transparency will go a long ways to reducing cost and affecting patient's decisions.

burritos;842839643 said:

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Yup. I suspect boomers or those strongly fixated to the boomer era think that Hilary's actions as flotus was stepping beyond of the role of the doting steford wife. The much prefer a mail order bride like Melania. These same people, while they will decry Trump's overt poosie grabbing behavior, will accept it over an aggressive ambitious woman(or in their mind, a b!tch).

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Stains on blue dresses not a problem. BJs with interns.Doesn't effect ruling ability. Nasty verbiage does. Hmm? Whose ox is gored thinking? Rampant overtones on both sides.

GB54;842839646 said:

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More white women voted for Trump than Clinton- bitsh on bit$h

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Surprisingly, there are women who are boomers. There are also women who are fixated to the boomer era.

OdontoBear66;842839654 said:

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Stains on blue dresses not a problem. BJs with interns.Doesn't effect ruling ability. Nasty verbiage does. Hmm? Whose ox is gored thinking? Rampant overtones on both sides.

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And Hilary gets the blame for that why? You do know that Newt Gingrich was having an affair as he prosecuted Bill for having his. I could care less about their affairs, just like I could care about JFK's and Roosevelt's dalliances. Hell, I don't even care about Eleanor's lesbian affair. I'm sure you don't/didn't either. Or did you? Yet you lose sleep from what Monica and Bill did. Why is that? Are you jealous?

Unit2Sucks;842839640 said:

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Beached - that's actually not what I intended, I could have been more clear. I mean that a healthcare provider shouldn't be able to charge you $x for a procedure and another person $y. I am not saying that different providers can't charge different prices, even for the same procedure.

Imagine walking into a restaurant with your buddy to order burgers from a menu without prices and then two months later you find out that your burger cost $10 because you have great food insurance but your buddy's burger cost $300 because he doesn't have any.

Some healthcare providers to have price sheets and transparency so it's not impossible.

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Several years ago I was having a conversation with my primary care physician, and she recommended a stress test to establish a baseline for me. I asked what that would cost. She replied "I don't know, you'd have to call the business office, but they probably wouldn't be able to tell you either." I declined to have the test.

RioDelMarBear;842839660 said:

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Several years ago I was having a conversation with my primary care physician, and she recommended a stress test to establish a baseline for me. I asked what that would cost. She replied "I don't know, you'd have to call the business office, but they probably wouldn't be able to tell you either." I declined to have the test.

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And that is an intelligent rational decision made by you. But depending on your age, 1-10% of people will get a heart attack.

And if you are unlucky enough to get a heart attack, you or your family can't go after your pcp for not having made that recommendation. How do I know this? Experience.

GB54;842839646 said:

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More white women voted for Trump than Clinton- bitsh on bit$h

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Is this true ?

This is fine.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?nid&utm_term=.13b4dc26a71e

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President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said Trump’s disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.

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going4roses;842839671 said:

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Is this true ?

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Yup

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-couldnt-win-over-white-women/amp/

going4roses;842839671 said:

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Is this true ?

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It is.

sycasey;842839675 said:

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This is fine.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?nid&utm_term=.13b4dc26a71e

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No need to worry...[ATTACH=CONFIG]6370[/ATTACH]

H.R. McMaster just blew all that up.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/05/15/mcmaster_the_story_that_came_out_tonight_as_reported_is_false.html

GB54;842839676 said:

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Yup

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-couldnt-win-over-white-women/amp/

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Well how does this happen?

Strykur;842839686 said:

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H.R. McMaster just blew all that up.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/05/15/mcmaster_the_story_that_came_out_tonight_as_reported_is_false.html

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He actually didn't. "At no time, at no time, where intelligent sources or methods discussed" which is all well and good, except that's not what Wapo said he did. So... good of him to deny something they were not accused of.

The shitshow last week in WH was probably even more than Putin had hoped for, and we are only 4 months in.

going4roses;842839687 said:

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Well how does this happen?

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It's not too surprising- the working class vote mostly at play again. Trump campaigned hard there and won- jobs ( the promise anyway) played better than sisterhood especially when delivered from Martha's Vineyard

socaliganbear;842839688 said:

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He actually didn't. "At no time, at no time, where intelligent sources or methods discussed" which is all well and good, except that's not what Wapo said he did. So... good of him to deny something they were not accused of.

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Just let Strykur continue to take his blue pill. It'll be ok, big guy. Nothing to see here, because a nice man said so.

socaliganbear;842839688 said:

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He actually didn't. "At no time, at no time, where intelligent sources or methods discussed" which is all well and good, except that's not what Wapo said he did. So... good of him to deny something they were not accused of.

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Yup, it's a non-denial denial.

The WaPo news seems to be leaked by more than one WH and(or) national security officials, I would think it is not easy to make this **** up.

BearChemist;842839691 said:

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The shitshow last week in WH was probably even more than Putin had hoped for, and we are only 4 months in.

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Putin isn't this smart.