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— LeGate🤠 (@williamlegate) April 4, 2023

sycasey said:

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oski003 said:

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sycasey said:

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calpoly said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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The reason that there are so many households in Switzerland that have guns is that, historically, Switzerland has tried to rely on citizen militias to defend itself. That and neutrality.

One reason that there are so many guns in the United States compared to some poorer countries is that we can afford them. Zambia, seriously?

True, gun ownership may not be the end-all, be-all to explain our homicide rate, but it's a factor, for sure. Or, as the Tennessee congressman said, throwing up his hands, "Really, there's nothing we can do!"

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True. In Switzerland the government gives guns to all males and trains them on their use.

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You know someone is arguing in bad faith about gun control if they bring up Switzerland without context. Switzerland has strict gun control laws that is far beyond anything attempted in the US and far fewer handguns. Their private firearm ownership rate has also been significantly reduced over the last decade plus. And with all of that, they still have the highest rates of gun deaths in Europe because ... more guns.

After crime rose in the 90's they passed federal gun control legislation. Although they have a long history of private gun ownership, they don't suffer from the same ammosexualism or gun fetishism that many white Americans do. They have far fewer guns than the US - less than 1 for every 4 citizens, whereas we are well over 1 to 1 at this point due to gun nuts. They also have universal background checks. Anyone with a criminal record or history of alcohol or drug abuse or "expressing a violent or dangerous attitude" is prohibited from owning guns.

For most categories of firearms you need a gun license and it only lasts for 9 months and is only valid for one firearm.

People who want to carry for self defense have to take a test proving they can safely use their weapon before they obtain a license.

They also have much stricter limits on the types of weapons they allow and limits on ammo. No armor-piercing rounds and to buy ammo you have to show your papers.

So sure, if we want to compare things to Switzerland, let's adopt their legislation as a starting point and give it a few decades to see if it makes a difference. But claiming that Switzerland is support for the contention that the US doesn't have a gun problem is pure fantasy. Or evidence that someone is on the NRA payroll.

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Nice summary Unit2. Not surprising that Cal88 left out these important facts.

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Cal88 has liked to pretend he's an independent European free-thinker, but at this point it's hard to separate him from a bog-standard American right-wing conservative:

-Pro-gun
-Climate change is a hoax
-Covid vaccines bad
-Trans people bad
-Russia good, Ukraine bad

What am I missing here?

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The ability to analyze complex issues in anything but a black and white manner.

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Or I've understood the issues all too well and can see exactly what he's doing.

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oski003 said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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sycasey said:

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oski003 said:

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sycasey said:

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calpoly said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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The reason that there are so many households in Switzerland that have guns is that, historically, Switzerland has tried to rely on citizen militias to defend itself. That and neutrality.

One reason that there are so many guns in the United States compared to some poorer countries is that we can afford them. Zambia, seriously?

True, gun ownership may not be the end-all, be-all to explain our homicide rate, but it's a factor, for sure. Or, as the Tennessee congressman said, throwing up his hands, "Really, there's nothing we can do!"

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True. In Switzerland the government gives guns to all males and trains them on their use.

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You know someone is arguing in bad faith about gun control if they bring up Switzerland without context. Switzerland has strict gun control laws that is far beyond anything attempted in the US and far fewer handguns. Their private firearm ownership rate has also been significantly reduced over the last decade plus. And with all of that, they still have the highest rates of gun deaths in Europe because ... more guns.

After crime rose in the 90's they passed federal gun control legislation. Although they have a long history of private gun ownership, they don't suffer from the same ammosexualism or gun fetishism that many white Americans do. They have far fewer guns than the US - less than 1 for every 4 citizens, whereas we are well over 1 to 1 at this point due to gun nuts. They also have universal background checks. Anyone with a criminal record or history of alcohol or drug abuse or "expressing a violent or dangerous attitude" is prohibited from owning guns.

For most categories of firearms you need a gun license and it only lasts for 9 months and is only valid for one firearm.

People who want to carry for self defense have to take a test proving they can safely use their weapon before they obtain a license.

They also have much stricter limits on the types of weapons they allow and limits on ammo. No armor-piercing rounds and to buy ammo you have to show your papers.

So sure, if we want to compare things to Switzerland, let's adopt their legislation as a starting point and give it a few decades to see if it makes a difference. But claiming that Switzerland is support for the contention that the US doesn't have a gun problem is pure fantasy. Or evidence that someone is on the NRA payroll.

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Nice summary Unit2. Not surprising that Cal88 left out these important facts.

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Cal88 has liked to pretend he's an independent European free-thinker, but at this point it's hard to separate him from a bog-standard American right-wing conservative:

-Pro-gun
-Climate change is a hoax
-Covid vaccines bad
-Trans people bad
-Russia good, Ukraine bad

What am I missing here?

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The ability to analyze complex issues in anything but a black and white manner.

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Or I've understood the issues all too well and can see exactly what he's doing.

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I'm surprised that 003 is admitting that American right-wing conservatives don't have the ability to analyze complex issues in anything but a black and white manner.

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Sycasey is not an American right-wing conservative. Nice try.

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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oski003 said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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sycasey said:

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oski003 said:

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sycasey said:

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calpoly said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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The reason that there are so many households in Switzerland that have guns is that, historically, Switzerland has tried to rely on citizen militias to defend itself. That and neutrality.

One reason that there are so many guns in the United States compared to some poorer countries is that we can afford them. Zambia, seriously?

True, gun ownership may not be the end-all, be-all to explain our homicide rate, but it's a factor, for sure. Or, as the Tennessee congressman said, throwing up his hands, "Really, there's nothing we can do!"

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True. In Switzerland the government gives guns to all males and trains them on their use.

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You know someone is arguing in bad faith about gun control if they bring up Switzerland without context. Switzerland has strict gun control laws that is far beyond anything attempted in the US and far fewer handguns. Their private firearm ownership rate has also been significantly reduced over the last decade plus. And with all of that, they still have the highest rates of gun deaths in Europe because ... more guns.

After crime rose in the 90's they passed federal gun control legislation. Although they have a long history of private gun ownership, they don't suffer from the same ammosexualism or gun fetishism that many white Americans do. They have far fewer guns than the US - less than 1 for every 4 citizens, whereas we are well over 1 to 1 at this point due to gun nuts. They also have universal background checks. Anyone with a criminal record or history of alcohol or drug abuse or "expressing a violent or dangerous attitude" is prohibited from owning guns.

For most categories of firearms you need a gun license and it only lasts for 9 months and is only valid for one firearm.

People who want to carry for self defense have to take a test proving they can safely use their weapon before they obtain a license.

They also have much stricter limits on the types of weapons they allow and limits on ammo. No armor-piercing rounds and to buy ammo you have to show your papers.

So sure, if we want to compare things to Switzerland, let's adopt their legislation as a starting point and give it a few decades to see if it makes a difference. But claiming that Switzerland is support for the contention that the US doesn't have a gun problem is pure fantasy. Or evidence that someone is on the NRA payroll.

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Nice summary Unit2. Not surprising that Cal88 left out these important facts.

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Cal88 has liked to pretend he's an independent European free-thinker, but at this point it's hard to separate him from a bog-standard American right-wing conservative:

-Pro-gun
-Climate change is a hoax
-Covid vaccines bad
-Trans people bad
-Russia good, Ukraine bad

What am I missing here?

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The ability to analyze complex issues in anything but a black and white manner.

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Or I've understood the issues all too well and can see exactly what he's doing.

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I'm surprised that 003 is admitting that American right-wing conservatives don't have the ability to analyze complex issues in anything but a black and white manner.

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Sycasey is not an American right-wing conservative. Nice try.

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He was referring to Cal88. If you're going to change conversation to talk another person, you should let everyone know rather than assume we will read your mind.

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oski003 said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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oski003 said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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sycasey said:

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oski003 said:

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sycasey said:

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calpoly said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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The reason that there are so many households in Switzerland that have guns is that, historically, Switzerland has tried to rely on citizen militias to defend itself. That and neutrality.

One reason that there are so many guns in the United States compared to some poorer countries is that we can afford them. Zambia, seriously?

True, gun ownership may not be the end-all, be-all to explain our homicide rate, but it's a factor, for sure. Or, as the Tennessee congressman said, throwing up his hands, "Really, there's nothing we can do!"

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True. In Switzerland the government gives guns to all males and trains them on their use.

---

You know someone is arguing in bad faith about gun control if they bring up Switzerland without context. Switzerland has strict gun control laws that is far beyond anything attempted in the US and far fewer handguns. Their private firearm ownership rate has also been significantly reduced over the last decade plus. And with all of that, they still have the highest rates of gun deaths in Europe because ... more guns.

After crime rose in the 90's they passed federal gun control legislation. Although they have a long history of private gun ownership, they don't suffer from the same ammosexualism or gun fetishism that many white Americans do. They have far fewer guns than the US - less than 1 for every 4 citizens, whereas we are well over 1 to 1 at this point due to gun nuts. They also have universal background checks. Anyone with a criminal record or history of alcohol or drug abuse or "expressing a violent or dangerous attitude" is prohibited from owning guns.

For most categories of firearms you need a gun license and it only lasts for 9 months and is only valid for one firearm.

People who want to carry for self defense have to take a test proving they can safely use their weapon before they obtain a license.

They also have much stricter limits on the types of weapons they allow and limits on ammo. No armor-piercing rounds and to buy ammo you have to show your papers.

So sure, if we want to compare things to Switzerland, let's adopt their legislation as a starting point and give it a few decades to see if it makes a difference. But claiming that Switzerland is support for the contention that the US doesn't have a gun problem is pure fantasy. Or evidence that someone is on the NRA payroll.

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Nice summary Unit2. Not surprising that Cal88 left out these important facts.

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Cal88 has liked to pretend he's an independent European free-thinker, but at this point it's hard to separate him from a bog-standard American right-wing conservative:

-Pro-gun
-Climate change is a hoax
-Covid vaccines bad
-Trans people bad
-Russia good, Ukraine bad

What am I missing here?

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The ability to analyze complex issues in anything but a black and white manner.

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Or I've understood the issues all too well and can see exactly what he's doing.

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I'm surprised that 003 is admitting that American right-wing conservatives don't have the ability to analyze complex issues in anything but a black and white manner.

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Sycasey is not an American right-wing conservative. Nice try.

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He was referring to Cal88. If you're going to change conversation to talk another person, you should let everyone know rather than assume we will read your mind.

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I was clearly answering his comment, "What am I missing?". I assume you can read what people right and therefore realize that what a direct reply to him.

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Unit2Sucks said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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The reason that there are so many households in Switzerland that have guns is that, historically, Switzerland has tried to rely on citizen militias to defend itself. That and neutrality.

One reason that there are so many guns in the United States compared to some poorer countries is that we can afford them. Zambia, seriously?

True, gun ownership may not be the end-all, be-all to explain our homicide rate, but it's a factor, for sure. Or, as the Tennessee congressman said, throwing up his hands, "Really, there's nothing we can do!"

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True. In Switzerland the government gives guns to all males and trains them on their use.

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You know someone is arguing in bad faith about gun control if they bring up Switzerland without context. Switzerland has strict gun control laws that is far beyond anything attempted in the US and far fewer handguns. Their private firearm ownership rate has also been significantly reduced over the last decade plus.

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And with all of that, Switzerland still have the highest rates of gun deaths in Europe because ... more guns.

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sycasey said:

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calpoly said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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The reason that there are so many households in Switzerland that have guns is that, historically, Switzerland has tried to rely on citizen militias to defend itself. That and neutrality.

One reason that there are so many guns in the United States compared to some poorer countries is that we can afford them. Zambia, seriously?

True, gun ownership may not be the end-all, be-all to explain our homicide rate, but it's a factor, for sure. Or, as the Tennessee congressman said, throwing up his hands, "Really, there's nothing we can do!"

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True. In Switzerland the government gives guns to all males and trains them on their use.

---

You know someone is arguing in bad faith about gun control if they bring up Switzerland without context. Switzerland has strict gun control laws that is far beyond anything attempted in the US and far fewer handguns. Their private firearm ownership rate has also been significantly reduced over the last decade plus. And with all of that, they still have the highest rates of gun deaths in Europe because ... more guns.

After crime rose in the 90's they passed federal gun control legislation. Although they have a long history of private gun ownership, they don't suffer from the same ammosexualism or gun fetishism that many white Americans do. They have far fewer guns than the US - less than 1 for every 4 citizens, whereas we are well over 1 to 1 at this point due to gun nuts. They also have universal background checks. Anyone with a criminal record or history of alcohol or drug abuse or "expressing a violent or dangerous attitude" is prohibited from owning guns.

For most categories of firearms you need a gun license and it only lasts for 9 months and is only valid for one firearm.

People who want to carry for self defense have to take a test proving they can safely use their weapon before they obtain a license.

They also have much stricter limits on the types of weapons they allow and limits on ammo. No armor-piercing rounds and to buy ammo you have to show your papers.

So sure, if we want to compare things to Switzerland, let's adopt their legislation as a starting point and give it a few decades to see if it makes a difference. But claiming that Switzerland is support for the contention that the US doesn't have a gun problem is pure fantasy. Or evidence that someone is on the NRA payroll.

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Nice summary Unit2. Not surprising that Cal88 left out these important facts.

---

Cal88 has liked to pretend he's an independent European free-thinker, but at this point it's hard to separate him from a bog-standard American right-wing conservative:

-Pro-gun
-Climate change is a hoax
-Covid vaccines bad
-Trans people bad
-Russia good, Ukraine bad

What am I missing here?

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bearister said:

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Check yourself. pic.twitter.com/OyERxJRrLD

— Mueller, She Wrote (@MuellerSheWrote) April 4, 2023

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movielover said:

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Exactly. Stop the never-ending wars. I read some quotes translated from Ukranian last night where a Ukranian citizen was saying they'd be 100x better if they solved the Donbas without war. If a 50 year old wants a schmechel, go for it. (Hopefully well thought, deliberative, with wise counseling.) But why the rush to sell barbaric medical procedures on 12-year-old children?

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oski003 said:

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Dr. Biden's racism results in LSU not visiting the white house?

https://sports.yahoo.com/angel-reese-says-lsu-wont-go-to-the-white-house-due-to-double-standard-would-visit-obamas-193052512.html

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oski003 said:

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Dr. Biden's racism results in LSU not visiting the white house?

https://sports.yahoo.com/angel-reese-says-lsu-wont-go-to-the-white-house-due-to-double-standard-would-visit-obamas-193052512.html

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Not a drag queen in sight https://t.co/XEDtsSoDBT

— Anthony Dominic (@alloveranthony) April 5, 2023

Big C said:

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CONCORDTOM, YOU MIGHT NEED TO POLICE THE OT THREADS A LITTLE BIT! MAYBE ORDER THE CREATION OF A "GENDER ISSUES" THREAD AND ANOTHER "GUN CONTROL" THREAD?

I keep clicking on this thread expecting some "breaking news" and get an issue being argued, instead. Heck, I have been guilty of it myself. Concordtom, if this is allowed to continue, pretty soon somebody is going to post an obituary here!

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dajo9 said:

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Not a drag queen in sight https://t.co/XEDtsSoDBT

— Anthony Dominic (@alloveranthony) April 5, 2023

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