Some 20% of police officers are veterans. The idea that this qualifies one to do police work- indeed they are often given preferences- is part of the problem. Waging war against combatants or occupying a hostile nation is not police work, although that is the mentality often at work here

. The Justice Department and the International Association of Chiefs of Police put out a 2009 guide for police departments to help with their recruitment. The guide warned: "Sustained operations under combat circumstances may cause returning officers to mistakenly blur the lines between military combat situations and civilian crime situations, resulting in inappropriate decisions and actionsparticularly in the use of less lethal or lethal force."

Limited data supports this.

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2017/03/30/when-warriors-put-on-the-badge

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It seems like somewhere along the way, we started training cops to primarily look out for their own safety.

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This has always been the case. And nobody should ask law enforcement to put the lives of a suspect before their own (assuming they're a reasonable threat)

resisting arrest, or not surrendering to an officer who by definition is armed with a weapon and backed by the powers of the U.S. government, is the most fascinating phenomena given its relative stupidity and high risk zero reward dynamic. Murder in the heat of passion I detest but understand. I don't understand committing suicide, so to speak, and pretending that you didn't.

GBear4Life said:

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sycasey said:

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It seems like somewhere along the way, we started training cops to primarily look out for their own safety.

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This has always been the case. And nobody should ask law enforcement to put the lives of a suspect before their own (assuming they're a reasonable threat)

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Who's talking about before? How about equally? Especially if you're not sure the "suspect" actually did anything.

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Reminds me of this:

law enforcement officers qualifications should be to have a 4 year degree

going4roses said:

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law enforcement officers qualifications should be to have a 4 year degree

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lol 911 dispatchers won't have anybody to dispatch out to the scene.

A 4 yr degree would be about as useless a gatekeeper to LE as it gets.

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this is so dumb. A high number of police present to apprehend a suspect decreases the likelihood of lethal force having to be used.

Anybody know what he was suspected of, and what was it based on? That would be useful as to determining the merit of how that arrest was handled. As opposed to proclaiming the militarization of police, a ridiculous term whose meaning has been rendered absolutely meaningless.

GBear4Life said:

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going4roses said:

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this is so dumb. A high number of police present to apprehend a suspect decreases the likelihood of lethal force having to be used.

Anybody know what he was suspected of, and what was it based on? That would be useful as to determining the merit of how that arrest was handled. As opposed to proclaiming the militarization of police, a ridiculous term whose meaning has been rendered absolutely meaningless.

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I agree. I see no problem with usiing all those officers and throwing down a guy who clearly surrendered to the ground for fare evasion.

We need to scare people from evading the fare.

In 2015 about 70% of people jumping turnstiles were given summonses, 30% were arrested. 92% of those arrested for jumping turnstiles in 2015 were people of color https://nydailynews.com/new-york/nypd-arrests-people-color-fare-beating-stats-article-1.2528320 "Only recidivists, including chronic fare evaders, wind up arrested." Unless you're black.

going4roses said:

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law enforcement officers qualifications should be to have a 4 year degree

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Any education would a good requirement. I'm also for standardized licenses backed by bond and insurance, and continued education requirements. This helps the cops but also if a cop does something illegal the license can be revoked. Bond and insurance could be used for victims.

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/2480305001?__twitter_impression=true

Whoa
What would be fair and just punishment for the cops and the DA ?
Fair compensation for the repo driver ?

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/11/12/editorial-california-must-stop-coddling-guilty-police-officers/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

going4roses said:

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law enforcement officers qualifications should be to have a 4 year degree

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you'd be shocked to learn that's not the answer to EVERYTHING (or even most things)

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Reminds me of this:

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Was the point of that video to show an example of LE human error? It implies there is some malevolent motivating factor there, which of course the media ate up with a spoon.

GBear4Life said:

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Was the point of that video to show an example of LE human error? It implies there is some malevolent motivating factor there, which of course the media ate up with a spoon.

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I agree. Law enforcement should beat the sh*t out of anybody who isn't being aggressive to them, even your mom.

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I agree. Law enforcement should beat the sh*t out of anybody who isn't being aggressive to them, even your mom.

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So police should do their best to avoid apprehending the wrong guy?

HOW NOVEL OF YOU.

But you're not pointing that out, you're using an instance of human error to craft a narrative as a form of self-affirmation. Weak stuff.

https://reason.com/2016/05/04/little-girl-detained-by-police-after-try/?amp&__twitter_impression=true

Don't know if this one is true ....

What's a good fact checking websites

going4roses said:

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https://reason.com/2016/05/04/little-girl-detained-by-police-after-try/?amp&__twitter_impression=true

Don't know if this one is true ....

What's a good fact checking websites

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bearinsider.com

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Jesus Fccking Christ. Well his shirt is brown or close.

GBear4Life said:

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okaydo said:

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I agree. Law enforcement should beat the sh*t out of anybody who isn't being aggressive to them, even your mom.

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So police should do their best to avoid apprehending the wrong guy?

HOW NOVEL OF YOU.

But you're not pointing that out, you're using an instance of human error to craft a narrative as a form of self-affirmation. Weak stuff.

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No, the police shouldn't initiate violence. Period.

You think that's fine, but you're thinking is dumb.

It's costly and it makes the community less trustful of police, which will lead to less cooperation.

230 million /6,700+ cases but how many more cases weren't resolved. Seems like any self described conservative would be livid at that amount of wasted money. Not to mention other costs. With that amount of cases there are a lot of bad cops.

https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2019/11/14/mta-will-spend-249m-on-new-cops-to-save-200m-on-fare-evasion/

???

Why are police departments incubators for racist/ws?

Sicking.

If there is no equity in justice...

going4roses said:

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If there is no equity in justice...

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What did the cops do wrong here, exactly?

Out of control sissy's throwing punches on children? Is that ok ? History... optics = not a good look

To put your statement into English, you are saying the following:

1) The cops are out of control

No, they are not.

2) The cops are sissies

No, they are not.

3) The cops punched children

No, they did not, unless you are simply stating that the perpetrators are not legal adults, which is correct but completely fails in this context.

If you cant control yourself and throw punches like you are in fight club your a sissy. Using a badge to be a bully is weak