OaktownBear said:
calbear93 said:
OaktownBear said:
calbear93 said:
sycasey said:
BearForce2 said:
sycasey said:
Obviously I'm not going to get anywhere here. I have laid out my case. You are free to continue listening to Candace Owens if you like. And I to return to ignoring her.
No need to hide behind twitter links or links to other websites. Simply quote text from your resources so we can understand what you're referring to and what your case is.
I suspect that would not do any further good. You guys like Owens because she tells you what you want to hear. I get it, I'm sure I've done that on my side of the aisle before. I'm just telling you that I smell a rat with Owens in a way I don't with other conservative pundits.
I don't necessarily like her or agree with her on certain things, especially her vilification of George Floyd. But I respect her ability to think for herself without feeling like she needs to adopt certain views because of her skin color. We don't do that with any other pundits, and I don't try to smell a rat with Shapiro, Lemon, Maddow, Coulter or others. When I disagree, I disagree. It seems like the left has such vitrol against conservatives who happen to be black, including Carson, Thomas, and Owens. Attack her views and not her character. I am sure that if we dug deep into Maddow, Lemon, and Shapiro, we will find things we can use to attack their character. But we limit our discussion to the merits of their argument. That is my only interest in this argument. I actually haven't even paid that much attention to her other than her take on racism from the left and her quite frankly distasteful take on Floyd.
I certainly have no vitriol for someone who takes conservatives for a ride and enriches herself at their expense.
Well, good. She certainly has the right to earn a living being insincere just as much as Maddow and Lemon do.
Are you trying to claim that Maddow is a conservative posing as liberal for money? I'd like to see that argument.
I'm sorry, but this is sounding like my argument with bearlyamazing. He actually argued that the fact that arguments are put forth by a Russian propaganda machine is irrelevant to whether they have merit.
Yes, if someone is not making a genuine argument that is relevant. If they don't believe the argument but are making it for some other purpose that drastically undercuts their argument.
Frankly, I've barely heard of Candace Owens. Don't care a lick about her. But she is obviously selling her voice to the highest bidder. Which makes me care even less. She's definitely not the only one who does that, but I struggle with respecting her abiity to think for herself when she takes opposite view points. What that tells me is she is not thinking for herself. She is parroting the highest bidder. Go for it if it makes you rich. Let's just say if tomorrow she is back on the liberal party line, I won't be citing her to support my arguments.
Not making that argument at all. And I don't think you actually thought I was making that argument. I think you are smarter than that.
I am arguing EXACTLY what I wrote.
I am arguing that Maddow enriches herself by being insincere. I am arguing that she inflames issues that she probably does not even believes to work up the audience. I don't believe Lemon believes the silliness that comes out of his mouth (after saying that silence is not enough, do you actually think he believes what he and Hill said about anti-semitism - that there are nuances to anti-semitism - that calling out the anti-semitism at this point when sprouted by pro-BLM athletes or entertainers weakens the BLM movement - therefore undercutting people like Desean and Ice Cube only helps the right...say, what?). Neither does Coulter. Neither does Hannity (I don't know if he even understands what he argues). Well, I think Shapiro actually believes what he says and is often very logical, but the other pundits on both sides don't seem genuine to me. They say what they say to play up to the audience and make money off the tribalism.
I honestly don't care whether Maddow or Lemon are conservative, liberal, or independent. They are pundits who play up to the audience to make money. So you writing what you wrote about Owens doesn't mean anything to me. She is no more hero or villain than Maddow or Lemon or Hannity.
I honestly don't give a crap about who she is. I don't even care for positions other than thinking it is funny trapping white liberals who struggle arguing about racism with someone who is black. if she has a good point, I will listen. If she does not, I will dismiss it.