Violent protesters thread

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hanky1
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hanky1 said:

This poor woman had her business destroyed by looters and she dares criticize BLM and Twitter has been actively deleting this video. Enemy of the people





Please watch this video before twitter deletes it
okaydo
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hanky1 said:

okaydo said:

BearForce2 said:

CalFan777 said:

Their lives do matter, but will their deaths be brought up anytime by the Fox News crowd to not score political points? Are messages like this really angry at their deaths? Or are they "look here's some black dead guys too so there!"?
This is a silly question, Fox News? Points? All 3 deaths were due to the result of senseless violence. The question is, why is media coverage for David Dorn and Patrick Underwood so minimal in comparison? Because they were cops? Because there's no video evidence?



Because bad people doing thuggish things isn't as newsworthy as people who are supposed to be good like cops doing thuggish things -- acts that would get them arrested if they didn't have a badge.

Maybe you should stop thinking of looters who commit violence and police who commit violence unprovoked as being equivalent.

Maybe you should start respecting cops by holding them to a higher standard than criminals.




A crime is a crime whether it's committed by a cop or a looter. You want racial equality? Nothing is more equal than treating everyone the same under the law.

But the problem cops are not treated the same under the law. Heck, there needed to be protests to get Derek Chauvin arrested, and he's unlikely to be convicted.
LMK5
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okaydo said:

hanky1 said:

okaydo said:

BearForce2 said:

CalFan777 said:

Their lives do matter, but will their deaths be brought up anytime by the Fox News crowd to not score political points? Are messages like this really angry at their deaths? Or are they "look here's some black dead guys too so there!"?
This is a silly question, Fox News? Points? All 3 deaths were due to the result of senseless violence. The question is, why is media coverage for David Dorn and Patrick Underwood so minimal in comparison? Because they were cops? Because there's no video evidence?



Because bad people doing thuggish things isn't as newsworthy as people who are supposed to be good like cops doing thuggish things -- acts that would get them arrested if they didn't have a badge.

Maybe you should stop thinking of looters who commit violence and police who commit violence unprovoked as being equivalent.

Maybe you should start respecting cops by holding them to a higher standard than criminals.




A crime is a crime whether it's committed by a cop or a looter. You want racial equality? Nothing is more equal than treating everyone the same under the law.

But the problem cops are not treated the same under the law. Heck, there needed to be protests to get Derek Chauvin arrested, and he's unlikely to be convicted.
That's what I'm concerned about. Sure they have charges, but history shows cops are very rarely convicted. Then we'll have looting and pillaging phase II.
The truth lies somewhere between CNN and Fox.
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okaydo
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LMK5 said:

okaydo said:

hanky1 said:

okaydo said:

BearForce2 said:

CalFan777 said:

Their lives do matter, but will their deaths be brought up anytime by the Fox News crowd to not score political points? Are messages like this really angry at their deaths? Or are they "look here's some black dead guys too so there!"?
This is a silly question, Fox News? Points? All 3 deaths were due to the result of senseless violence. The question is, why is media coverage for David Dorn and Patrick Underwood so minimal in comparison? Because they were cops? Because there's no video evidence?



Because bad people doing thuggish things isn't as newsworthy as people who are supposed to be good like cops doing thuggish things -- acts that would get them arrested if they didn't have a badge.

Maybe you should stop thinking of looters who commit violence and police who commit violence unprovoked as being equivalent.

Maybe you should start respecting cops by holding them to a higher standard than criminals.




A crime is a crime whether it's committed by a cop or a looter. You want racial equality? Nothing is more equal than treating everyone the same under the law.

But the problem cops are not treated the same under the law. Heck, there needed to be protests to get Derek Chauvin arrested, and he's unlikely to be convicted.
That's what I'm concerned about. Sure they have charges, but history shows cops are very rarely convicted. Then we'll have looting and pillaging phase II.

The system is broken when the only way for change to happen is for mass protest, which will unfortunately have looting.










GBear4Life
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If you're unclear about where your deranged leftist friend stands, just ask them: if you had the choice between the past 7 days -- the good and the bad -- OR none of it, which would you choose?

I've seen these people's cards for a while, but if you're unsure of what your wacky friend's cards are, this will force them to show their 2/7 off suit for the table to see.
LMK5
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okaydo said:

LMK5 said:

okaydo said:

hanky1 said:

okaydo said:

BearForce2 said:

CalFan777 said:

Their lives do matter, but will their deaths be brought up anytime by the Fox News crowd to not score political points? Are messages like this really angry at their deaths? Or are they "look here's some black dead guys too so there!"?
This is a silly question, Fox News? Points? All 3 deaths were due to the result of senseless violence. The question is, why is media coverage for David Dorn and Patrick Underwood so minimal in comparison? Because they were cops? Because there's no video evidence?



Because bad people doing thuggish things isn't as newsworthy as people who are supposed to be good like cops doing thuggish things -- acts that would get them arrested if they didn't have a badge.

Maybe you should stop thinking of looters who commit violence and police who commit violence unprovoked as being equivalent.

Maybe you should start respecting cops by holding them to a higher standard than criminals.




A crime is a crime whether it's committed by a cop or a looter. You want racial equality? Nothing is more equal than treating everyone the same under the law.

But the problem cops are not treated the same under the law. Heck, there needed to be protests to get Derek Chauvin arrested, and he's unlikely to be convicted.
That's what I'm concerned about. Sure they have charges, but history shows cops are very rarely convicted. Then we'll have looting and pillaging phase II.

The system is broken when the only way for change to happen is for mass protest, which will unfortunately have looting.











Are you saying they go hand in hand? One must accompany the other? Are you sure about that?
The truth lies somewhere between CNN and Fox.
sycasey
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okaydo said:

hanky1 said:

okaydo said:

BearForce2 said:

CalFan777 said:

Their lives do matter, but will their deaths be brought up anytime by the Fox News crowd to not score political points? Are messages like this really angry at their deaths? Or are they "look here's some black dead guys too so there!"?
This is a silly question, Fox News? Points? All 3 deaths were due to the result of senseless violence. The question is, why is media coverage for David Dorn and Patrick Underwood so minimal in comparison? Because they were cops? Because there's no video evidence?



Because bad people doing thuggish things isn't as newsworthy as people who are supposed to be good like cops doing thuggish things -- acts that would get them arrested if they didn't have a badge.

Maybe you should stop thinking of looters who commit violence and police who commit violence unprovoked as being equivalent.

Maybe you should start respecting cops by holding them to a higher standard than criminals.




A crime is a crime whether it's committed by a cop or a looter. You want racial equality? Nothing is more equal than treating everyone the same under the law.

But the problem cops are not treated the same under the law. Heck, there needed to be protests to get Derek Chauvin arrested, and he's unlikely to be convicted.
https://www.checkthepolice.org/

Police unions negotiate a lot of rules specifically designed to prevent cops from being held accountable for misconduct. They are able to do so because they have been able to cow a lot of mayors, governors, and even the general public into supporting their demands so that the police will continue doing their jobs. In some cases police unions have actually engaged in a "work slowdown" and stopped enforcing laws, in order to send a message to the mayor.

https://www.vox.com/2015/1/6/7501953/nypd-mayor-arrests-union

Does this sound a bit like a protection racket? Yeah, a little bit. Though the irony is that crime didn't really increase during the slowdown period, when the cops were mostly just slowing down on parking tickets and other minor violations. So maybe mayors don't need to be so afraid of police unions anymore.
calbear93
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okaydo said:

LMK5 said:

okaydo said:

hanky1 said:

okaydo said:

BearForce2 said:

CalFan777 said:

Their lives do matter, but will their deaths be brought up anytime by the Fox News crowd to not score political points? Are messages like this really angry at their deaths? Or are they "look here's some black dead guys too so there!"?
This is a silly question, Fox News? Points? All 3 deaths were due to the result of senseless violence. The question is, why is media coverage for David Dorn and Patrick Underwood so minimal in comparison? Because they were cops? Because there's no video evidence?



Because bad people doing thuggish things isn't as newsworthy as people who are supposed to be good like cops doing thuggish things -- acts that would get them arrested if they didn't have a badge.

Maybe you should stop thinking of looters who commit violence and police who commit violence unprovoked as being equivalent.

Maybe you should start respecting cops by holding them to a higher standard than criminals.




A crime is a crime whether it's committed by a cop or a looter. You want racial equality? Nothing is more equal than treating everyone the same under the law.

But the problem cops are not treated the same under the law. Heck, there needed to be protests to get Derek Chauvin arrested, and he's unlikely to be convicted.
That's what I'm concerned about. Sure they have charges, but history shows cops are very rarely convicted. Then we'll have looting and pillaging phase II.

The system is broken when the only way for change to happen is for mass protest, which will unfortunately have looting.











This type of posting seems a bit dishonest. I am not saying you are dishonest, but someone who graduated from UC Berkeley really should be able to differentiate without resorting to race as the only response.

When the protest first started recently, the police had a very hands off approach. It was only when there were attacks against the police who were just monitoring and when there were mass looting that there was any significant push back on a mass scale by the police.

Now, if the people who were protesting before regarding SIP started to loot buildings or started to attack police, do you honestly think the police would have done nothing?

Furthermore, the claim that the protesters demanding justice for Floyd and definitely looters were of just one color is insulting.

You must be intelligent enough to sleuth factors that are different beyond race.
GBear4Life
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calbear93 said:



This type of posting seems a bit dishonest. I am not saying you are dishonest, but someone who graduated from UC Berkeley really should be able to differentiate without resorting to race as the only response.

When the protest first started recently, the police had a very hands off approach. It was only when there were attacks against the police who were just monitoring and when there were mass looting that there was any significant push back on a mass scale by the police.

Now, if the people who were protesting before regarding SIP started to loot buildings or started to attack police, do you honestly think the police would have done nothing?

Furthermore, the claim that the protesters demanding justice for Floyd and definitely looters were of just one color is insulting.

You must be intelligent enough to sleuth factors that are different beyond race.
"intelligence" is made a pawn by the intoxicating elixir of ideology.
hanky1
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okaydo said:

hanky1 said:

okaydo said:

BearForce2 said:

CalFan777 said:

Their lives do matter, but will their deaths be brought up anytime by the Fox News crowd to not score political points? Are messages like this really angry at their deaths? Or are they "look here's some black dead guys too so there!"?
This is a silly question, Fox News? Points? All 3 deaths were due to the result of senseless violence. The question is, why is media coverage for David Dorn and Patrick Underwood so minimal in comparison? Because they were cops? Because there's no video evidence?



Because bad people doing thuggish things isn't as newsworthy as people who are supposed to be good like cops doing thuggish things -- acts that would get them arrested if they didn't have a badge.

Maybe you should stop thinking of looters who commit violence and police who commit violence unprovoked as being equivalent.

Maybe you should start respecting cops by holding them to a higher standard than criminals.




A crime is a crime whether it's committed by a cop or a looter. You want racial equality? Nothing is more equal than treating everyone the same under the law.

But the problem cops are not treated the same under the law. Heck, there needed to be protests to get Derek Chauvin arrested, and he's unlikely to be convicted.


Yeah because the idiot State DA upgraded the charge from 3rd to 2nd degree murder (which it is highly questionable that's its 2nd degree) due to political pressure. 3rd degree murder was a slam dunk. 2nd degree murder-he probably walks. That's what you get when you pressure DAs into doing something without understanding the consequences.

Or maybe the leftist mob do know the consequences? Maybe they want that cop to walk free so they can further stoke the fires of a race war which they so desperately want.
Eastern Oregon Bear
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hanky1 said:

okaydo said:

hanky1 said:

okaydo said:

BearForce2 said:

CalFan777 said:

Their lives do matter, but will their deaths be brought up anytime by the Fox News crowd to not score political points? Are messages like this really angry at their deaths? Or are they "look here's some black dead guys too so there!"?
This is a silly question, Fox News? Points? All 3 deaths were due to the result of senseless violence. The question is, why is media coverage for David Dorn and Patrick Underwood so minimal in comparison? Because they were cops? Because there's no video evidence?



Because bad people doing thuggish things isn't as newsworthy as people who are supposed to be good like cops doing thuggish things -- acts that would get them arrested if they didn't have a badge.

Maybe you should stop thinking of looters who commit violence and police who commit violence unprovoked as being equivalent.

Maybe you should start respecting cops by holding them to a higher standard than criminals.




A crime is a crime whether it's committed by a cop or a looter. You want racial equality? Nothing is more equal than treating everyone the same under the law.

But the problem cops are not treated the same under the law. Heck, there needed to be protests to get Derek Chauvin arrested, and he's unlikely to be convicted.


Yeah because the idiot State DA upgraded the charge from 3rd to 2nd degree murder (which it is highly questionable that's its 2nd degree) due to political pressure. 3rd degree murder was a slam dunk. 2nd degree murder-he probably walks. That's what you get when you pressure DAs into doing something without understanding the consequences.

Or maybe the leftist mob do know the consequences? Maybe they want that cop to walk free so they can further stoke the fires of a race war which they so desperately want.
Yeah, those leftist mobs and their 3-D Chess!
calbear93
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

hanky1 said:

okaydo said:

hanky1 said:

okaydo said:

BearForce2 said:

CalFan777 said:

Their lives do matter, but will their deaths be brought up anytime by the Fox News crowd to not score political points? Are messages like this really angry at their deaths? Or are they "look here's some black dead guys too so there!"?
This is a silly question, Fox News? Points? All 3 deaths were due to the result of senseless violence. The question is, why is media coverage for David Dorn and Patrick Underwood so minimal in comparison? Because they were cops? Because there's no video evidence?



Because bad people doing thuggish things isn't as newsworthy as people who are supposed to be good like cops doing thuggish things -- acts that would get them arrested if they didn't have a badge.

Maybe you should stop thinking of looters who commit violence and police who commit violence unprovoked as being equivalent.

Maybe you should start respecting cops by holding them to a higher standard than criminals.




A crime is a crime whether it's committed by a cop or a looter. You want racial equality? Nothing is more equal than treating everyone the same under the law.

But the problem cops are not treated the same under the law. Heck, there needed to be protests to get Derek Chauvin arrested, and he's unlikely to be convicted.


Yeah because the idiot State DA upgraded the charge from 3rd to 2nd degree murder (which it is highly questionable that's its 2nd degree) due to political pressure. 3rd degree murder was a slam dunk. 2nd degree murder-he probably walks. That's what you get when you pressure DAs into doing something without understanding the consequences.

Or maybe the leftist mob do know the consequences? Maybe they want that cop to walk free so they can further stoke the fires of a race war which they so desperately want.
Yeah, those leftist mobs and their 3-D Chess!
NO, it's not 3-D chess. It's people who think having access to the internet makes them experts in every field. It's like idiots who are claiming that freedom of speech applies to private organization. Do you honestly think they even understand the difference elements to 2nd degree murder versus 3rd degree, and how failure to meet each of the elements on a unanimous basis will mean acquittal? OR do you think they take the Spinal Tap type of mentality that "but it goes to 11" so it must be better.
hanky1
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calbear93 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

hanky1 said:

okaydo said:

hanky1 said:

okaydo said:

BearForce2 said:

CalFan777 said:

Their lives do matter, but will their deaths be brought up anytime by the Fox News crowd to not score political points? Are messages like this really angry at their deaths? Or are they "look here's some black dead guys too so there!"?
This is a silly question, Fox News? Points? All 3 deaths were due to the result of senseless violence. The question is, why is media coverage for David Dorn and Patrick Underwood so minimal in comparison? Because they were cops? Because there's no video evidence?



Because bad people doing thuggish things isn't as newsworthy as people who are supposed to be good like cops doing thuggish things -- acts that would get them arrested if they didn't have a badge.

Maybe you should stop thinking of looters who commit violence and police who commit violence unprovoked as being equivalent.

Maybe you should start respecting cops by holding them to a higher standard than criminals.




A crime is a crime whether it's committed by a cop or a looter. You want racial equality? Nothing is more equal than treating everyone the same under the law.

But the problem cops are not treated the same under the law. Heck, there needed to be protests to get Derek Chauvin arrested, and he's unlikely to be convicted.


Yeah because the idiot State DA upgraded the charge from 3rd to 2nd degree murder (which it is highly questionable that's its 2nd degree) due to political pressure. 3rd degree murder was a slam dunk. 2nd degree murder-he probably walks. That's what you get when you pressure DAs into doing something without understanding the consequences.

Or maybe the leftist mob do know the consequences? Maybe they want that cop to walk free so they can further stoke the fires of a race war which they so desperately want.
Yeah, those leftist mobs and their 3-D Chess!
NO, it's not 3-D chess. It's people who think having access to the internet makes them experts in every field. It's like idiots who are claiming that freedom of speech applies to private organization. Do you honestly think they even understand the difference elements to 2nd degree murder versus 3rd degree, and how failure to meet each of the elements on a unanimous basis will mean acquittal? OR do you think they take the Spinal Tap type of mentality that "but it goes to 11" so it must be better.
The same thing happened when that illegal immigrant killed that girl in SF a couple years back. He was found not guilty because the idiot DA caved into political pressure and upgraded his charges when it was not warranted. It cuts both ways...
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LMK5 said:

In other news, Don Lemon continues to refer to himself as a journalist.
Shedding fake tears in front of the camera? That's a giveaway for a person with leftist ideology.


BearForce2
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BearForce2 said:

SRBear said:



Justice for George Floyd.
David Dorn & Patrick Underwood who?????

Where's the outrage or does this not fit the leftist narrative?
BearForce2
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hanky1 said:

See what Trump means when he says the press is the enemy of the people:



The press, Biden, and the Democrats want a race war.
calbear93
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BearForce2 said:

LMK5 said:

In other news, Don Lemon continues to refer to himself as a journalist.
Shedding fake tears in front of the camera? That's a giveaway for a person with leftist ideology.



No, he is not a journalist. He is a pundit
Unit2Sucks
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sycasey said:

okaydo said:

hanky1 said:

okaydo said:

BearForce2 said:

CalFan777 said:

Their lives do matter, but will their deaths be brought up anytime by the Fox News crowd to not score political points? Are messages like this really angry at their deaths? Or are they "look here's some black dead guys too so there!"?
This is a silly question, Fox News? Points? All 3 deaths were due to the result of senseless violence. The question is, why is media coverage for David Dorn and Patrick Underwood so minimal in comparison? Because they were cops? Because there's no video evidence?



Because bad people doing thuggish things isn't as newsworthy as people who are supposed to be good like cops doing thuggish things -- acts that would get them arrested if they didn't have a badge.

Maybe you should stop thinking of looters who commit violence and police who commit violence unprovoked as being equivalent.

Maybe you should start respecting cops by holding them to a higher standard than criminals.




A crime is a crime whether it's committed by a cop or a looter. You want racial equality? Nothing is more equal than treating everyone the same under the law.

But the problem cops are not treated the same under the law. Heck, there needed to be protests to get Derek Chauvin arrested, and he's unlikely to be convicted.
https://www.checkthepolice.org/

Police unions negotiate a lot of rules specifically designed to prevent cops from being held accountable for misconduct. They are able to do so because they have been able to cow a lot of mayors, governors, and even the general public into supporting their demands so that the police will continue doing their jobs. In some cases police unions have actually engaged in a "work slowdown" and stopped enforcing laws, in order to send a message to the mayor.

https://www.vox.com/2015/1/6/7501953/nypd-mayor-arrests-union

Does this sound a bit like a protection racket? Yeah, a little bit. Though the irony is that crime didn't really increase during the slowdown period, when the cops were mostly just slowing down on parking tickets and other minor violations. So maybe mayors don't need to be so afraid of police unions anymore.
May if you frame this as "the deep state" or "unelected bureaucrats" or similar you will get more people on board. Trump convinced conservatives to hate the FBI (which are just federal police) so anything is possible.
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calbear93 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

hanky1 said:

okaydo said:

hanky1 said:

okaydo said:

BearForce2 said:

CalFan777 said:

Their lives do matter, but will their deaths be brought up anytime by the Fox News crowd to not score political points? Are messages like this really angry at their deaths? Or are they "look here's some black dead guys too so there!"?
This is a silly question, Fox News? Points? All 3 deaths were due to the result of senseless violence. The question is, why is media coverage for David Dorn and Patrick Underwood so minimal in comparison? Because they were cops? Because there's no video evidence?



Because bad people doing thuggish things isn't as newsworthy as people who are supposed to be good like cops doing thuggish things -- acts that would get them arrested if they didn't have a badge.

Maybe you should stop thinking of looters who commit violence and police who commit violence unprovoked as being equivalent.

Maybe you should start respecting cops by holding them to a higher standard than criminals.




A crime is a crime whether it's committed by a cop or a looter. You want racial equality? Nothing is more equal than treating everyone the same under the law.

But the problem cops are not treated the same under the law. Heck, there needed to be protests to get Derek Chauvin arrested, and he's unlikely to be convicted.


Yeah because the idiot State DA upgraded the charge from 3rd to 2nd degree murder (which it is highly questionable that's its 2nd degree) due to political pressure. 3rd degree murder was a slam dunk. 2nd degree murder-he probably walks. That's what you get when you pressure DAs into doing something without understanding the consequences.

Or maybe the leftist mob do know the consequences? Maybe they want that cop to walk free so they can further stoke the fires of a race war which they so desperately want.
Yeah, those leftist mobs and their 3-D Chess!
NO, it's not 3-D chess. It's people who think having access to the internet makes them experts in every field. It's like idiots who are claiming that freedom of speech applies to private organization. Do you honestly think they even understand the difference elements to 2nd degree murder versus 3rd degree, and how failure to meet each of the elements on a unanimous basis will mean acquittal? OR do you think they take the Spinal Tap type of mentality that "but it goes to 11" so it must be better.
Or maybe they are doing it to put pressure on him to plead it down to 3rd degree or voluntary manslaughter the way they typically do. I wouldn't feel too good if I were in Chauvin's position.
calbear93
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Unit2Sucks said:

calbear93 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

hanky1 said:

okaydo said:

hanky1 said:

okaydo said:

BearForce2 said:

CalFan777 said:

Their lives do matter, but will their deaths be brought up anytime by the Fox News crowd to not score political points? Are messages like this really angry at their deaths? Or are they "look here's some black dead guys too so there!"?
This is a silly question, Fox News? Points? All 3 deaths were due to the result of senseless violence. The question is, why is media coverage for David Dorn and Patrick Underwood so minimal in comparison? Because they were cops? Because there's no video evidence?



Because bad people doing thuggish things isn't as newsworthy as people who are supposed to be good like cops doing thuggish things -- acts that would get them arrested if they didn't have a badge.

Maybe you should stop thinking of looters who commit violence and police who commit violence unprovoked as being equivalent.

Maybe you should start respecting cops by holding them to a higher standard than criminals.




A crime is a crime whether it's committed by a cop or a looter. You want racial equality? Nothing is more equal than treating everyone the same under the law.

But the problem cops are not treated the same under the law. Heck, there needed to be protests to get Derek Chauvin arrested, and he's unlikely to be convicted.


Yeah because the idiot State DA upgraded the charge from 3rd to 2nd degree murder (which it is highly questionable that's its 2nd degree) due to political pressure. 3rd degree murder was a slam dunk. 2nd degree murder-he probably walks. That's what you get when you pressure DAs into doing something without understanding the consequences.

Or maybe the leftist mob do know the consequences? Maybe they want that cop to walk free so they can further stoke the fires of a race war which they so desperately want.
Yeah, those leftist mobs and their 3-D Chess!
NO, it's not 3-D chess. It's people who think having access to the internet makes them experts in every field. It's like idiots who are claiming that freedom of speech applies to private organization. Do you honestly think they even understand the difference elements to 2nd degree murder versus 3rd degree, and how failure to meet each of the elements on a unanimous basis will mean acquittal? OR do you think they take the Spinal Tap type of mentality that "but it goes to 11" so it must be better.
Or maybe they are doing it to put pressure on him to plead it down to 3rd degree or voluntary manslaughter the way they typically do. I wouldn't feel too good if I were in Chauvin's position.


We may be talking past each other again. I was writing about the general public demanding specific charges without understanding the elements that need to be proven beyond reasonable doubt. You are writing about leverage and legal strategy of the prosecutor. Two different conversations we are having.
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calbear93 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

calbear93 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

hanky1 said:

okaydo said:

hanky1 said:

okaydo said:

BearForce2 said:

CalFan777 said:

Their lives do matter, but will their deaths be brought up anytime by the Fox News crowd to not score political points? Are messages like this really angry at their deaths? Or are they "look here's some black dead guys too so there!"?
This is a silly question, Fox News? Points? All 3 deaths were due to the result of senseless violence. The question is, why is media coverage for David Dorn and Patrick Underwood so minimal in comparison? Because they were cops? Because there's no video evidence?



Because bad people doing thuggish things isn't as newsworthy as people who are supposed to be good like cops doing thuggish things -- acts that would get them arrested if they didn't have a badge.

Maybe you should stop thinking of looters who commit violence and police who commit violence unprovoked as being equivalent.

Maybe you should start respecting cops by holding them to a higher standard than criminals.




A crime is a crime whether it's committed by a cop or a looter. You want racial equality? Nothing is more equal than treating everyone the same under the law.

But the problem cops are not treated the same under the law. Heck, there needed to be protests to get Derek Chauvin arrested, and he's unlikely to be convicted.


Yeah because the idiot State DA upgraded the charge from 3rd to 2nd degree murder (which it is highly questionable that's its 2nd degree) due to political pressure. 3rd degree murder was a slam dunk. 2nd degree murder-he probably walks. That's what you get when you pressure DAs into doing something without understanding the consequences.

Or maybe the leftist mob do know the consequences? Maybe they want that cop to walk free so they can further stoke the fires of a race war which they so desperately want.
Yeah, those leftist mobs and their 3-D Chess!
NO, it's not 3-D chess. It's people who think having access to the internet makes them experts in every field. It's like idiots who are claiming that freedom of speech applies to private organization. Do you honestly think they even understand the difference elements to 2nd degree murder versus 3rd degree, and how failure to meet each of the elements on a unanimous basis will mean acquittal? OR do you think they take the Spinal Tap type of mentality that "but it goes to 11" so it must be better.
Or maybe they are doing it to put pressure on him to plead it down to 3rd degree or voluntary manslaughter the way they typically do. I wouldn't feel too good if I were in Chauvin's position.


We may be talking past each other again. I was writing about the general public demanding specific charges without understanding the elements that need to be proven beyond reasonable doubt. You are writing about leverage and legal strategy of the prosecutor. Two different conversations we are having.


Yes, I didn't have to quote your reply.

While we are discussing your reply I should note the lesser charges are still outstanding, which I wasn't aware of, and that the original charges are lesser included offenses and that in Minnesota a jury can convict for lesser included offenses.

So back to my original point, there is any number of reasons why they would have included the upgraded murder charge. Apologies for getting in the way of you calling people without expertise in criminal law idiots.
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Unit2Sucks said:

calbear93 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

calbear93 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

hanky1 said:

okaydo said:

hanky1 said:

okaydo said:

BearForce2 said:

CalFan777 said:

Their lives do matter, but will their deaths be brought up anytime by the Fox News crowd to not score political points? Are messages like this really angry at their deaths? Or are they "look here's some black dead guys too so there!"?
This is a silly question, Fox News? Points? All 3 deaths were due to the result of senseless violence. The question is, why is media coverage for David Dorn and Patrick Underwood so minimal in comparison? Because they were cops? Because there's no video evidence?



Because bad people doing thuggish things isn't as newsworthy as people who are supposed to be good like cops doing thuggish things -- acts that would get them arrested if they didn't have a badge.

Maybe you should stop thinking of looters who commit violence and police who commit violence unprovoked as being equivalent.

Maybe you should start respecting cops by holding them to a higher standard than criminals.




A crime is a crime whether it's committed by a cop or a looter. You want racial equality? Nothing is more equal than treating everyone the same under the law.

But the problem cops are not treated the same under the law. Heck, there needed to be protests to get Derek Chauvin arrested, and he's unlikely to be convicted.


Yeah because the idiot State DA upgraded the charge from 3rd to 2nd degree murder (which it is highly questionable that's its 2nd degree) due to political pressure. 3rd degree murder was a slam dunk. 2nd degree murder-he probably walks. That's what you get when you pressure DAs into doing something without understanding the consequences.

Or maybe the leftist mob do know the consequences? Maybe they want that cop to walk free so they can further stoke the fires of a race war which they so desperately want.
Yeah, those leftist mobs and their 3-D Chess!
NO, it's not 3-D chess. It's people who think having access to the internet makes them experts in every field. It's like idiots who are claiming that freedom of speech applies to private organization. Do you honestly think they even understand the difference elements to 2nd degree murder versus 3rd degree, and how failure to meet each of the elements on a unanimous basis will mean acquittal? OR do you think they take the Spinal Tap type of mentality that "but it goes to 11" so it must be better.
Or maybe they are doing it to put pressure on him to plead it down to 3rd degree or voluntary manslaughter the way they typically do. I wouldn't feel too good if I were in Chauvin's position.


We may be talking past each other again. I was writing about the general public demanding specific charges without understanding the elements that need to be proven beyond reasonable doubt. You are writing about leverage and legal strategy of the prosecutor. Two different conversations we are having.


Yes, I didn't have to quote your reply.

While we are discussing your reply I should note the lesser charges are still outstanding, which I wasn't aware of, and that the original charges are lesser included offenses and that in Minnesota a jury can convict for lesser included offenses.

So back to my original point, there is any number of reasons why they would have included the upgraded murder charge. Apologies for getting in the way of you calling people without expertise in criminal law idiots.
OK, my mistake for taking your bait with you, as always, jumping into my response to someone else and with you then ending by making a snide comment and twisting my comments. Please go away. So glad we don't actually have to deal with each other in real life.
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calbear93 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

calbear93 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

calbear93 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

hanky1 said:

okaydo said:

hanky1 said:

okaydo said:

BearForce2 said:

CalFan777 said:

Their lives do matter, but will their deaths be brought up anytime by the Fox News crowd to not score political points? Are messages like this really angry at their deaths? Or are they "look here's some black dead guys too so there!"?
This is a silly question, Fox News? Points? All 3 deaths were due to the result of senseless violence. The question is, why is media coverage for David Dorn and Patrick Underwood so minimal in comparison? Because they were cops? Because there's no video evidence?



Because bad people doing thuggish things isn't as newsworthy as people who are supposed to be good like cops doing thuggish things -- acts that would get them arrested if they didn't have a badge.

Maybe you should stop thinking of looters who commit violence and police who commit violence unprovoked as being equivalent.

Maybe you should start respecting cops by holding them to a higher standard than criminals.




A crime is a crime whether it's committed by a cop or a looter. You want racial equality? Nothing is more equal than treating everyone the same under the law.

But the problem cops are not treated the same under the law. Heck, there needed to be protests to get Derek Chauvin arrested, and he's unlikely to be convicted.


Yeah because the idiot State DA upgraded the charge from 3rd to 2nd degree murder (which it is highly questionable that's its 2nd degree) due to political pressure. 3rd degree murder was a slam dunk. 2nd degree murder-he probably walks. That's what you get when you pressure DAs into doing something without understanding the consequences.

Or maybe the leftist mob do know the consequences? Maybe they want that cop to walk free so they can further stoke the fires of a race war which they so desperately want.
Yeah, those leftist mobs and their 3-D Chess!
NO, it's not 3-D chess. It's people who think having access to the internet makes them experts in every field. It's like idiots who are claiming that freedom of speech applies to private organization. Do you honestly think they even understand the difference elements to 2nd degree murder versus 3rd degree, and how failure to meet each of the elements on a unanimous basis will mean acquittal? OR do you think they take the Spinal Tap type of mentality that "but it goes to 11" so it must be better.
Or maybe they are doing it to put pressure on him to plead it down to 3rd degree or voluntary manslaughter the way they typically do. I wouldn't feel too good if I were in Chauvin's position.


We may be talking past each other again. I was writing about the general public demanding specific charges without understanding the elements that need to be proven beyond reasonable doubt. You are writing about leverage and legal strategy of the prosecutor. Two different conversations we are having.


Yes, I didn't have to quote your reply.

While we are discussing your reply I should note the lesser charges are still outstanding, which I wasn't aware of, and that the original charges are lesser included offenses and that in Minnesota a jury can convict for lesser included offenses.

So back to my original point, there is any number of reasons why they would have included the upgraded murder charge. Apologies for getting in the way of you calling people without expertise in criminal law idiots.
OK, my mistake for taking your bait with you, as always, jumping into my response to someone else and with you then ending by making a snide comment and twisting my comments. Please go away. So glad we don't actually have to deal with each other in real life.
You don't even have to deal with me here but you keep falling short of your empty promise to not engage. It's amazing how little it takes to set you off.
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https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/06/george-floyd-protests-riots-will-leave-lasting-damage-wont-bring-racial-equality/




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BearForce2 said:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/06/george-floyd-protests-riots-will-leave-lasting-damage-wont-bring-racial-equality/





We know that blacks won't improve outcomes out of their community without changing behaviors, which require a change in attitude and perspective, which in the aggregate will lead to a different culture. Patrick Moynihan knew it 50 years ago, and we know this is the case with every community.

The "equality" trope the left cites is a boogeyman by design -- because it allows isolated incidents to be broadcast as representative of society at large, making the oppression trope an unkillable omnipresent monster.

It also steers attention and priorities away from behaviors. The left is preoccupied with telling blacks that YOU NEED NOT CHANGE, it is simply a matter of "whites raising better white children", as astonishingly stated on ABC primetime news last night.

This is the greatest disservice to any underachieving community -- insisting that their fate is held by external forces, that your behaviors are irrelevant.
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hanky1 said:

This poor woman had her business destroyed by looters and she dares criticize BLM and Twitter has been actively deleting this video. Enemy of the people




This doesn't fit the narrative. A black policemen and security officer dead. No outrage by white lefties and BLM.

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BancroftBear93
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GBear4Life said:

BearForce2 said:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/06/george-floyd-protests-riots-will-leave-lasting-damage-wont-bring-racial-equality/





We know that blacks won't improve outcomes out of their community without changing behaviors, which require a change in attitude and perspective, which in the aggregate will lead to a different culture. Patrick Moynihan knew it 50 years ago, and we know this is the case with every community.

The "equality" trope the left cites is a boogeyman by design -- because it allows isolated incidents to be broadcast as representative of society at large, making the oppression trope an unkillable omnipresent monster.

It also steers attention and priorities away from behaviors. The left is preoccupied with telling blacks that YOU NEED NOT CHANGE, it is simply a matter of "whites raising better white children", as astonishingly stated on ABC primetime news last night.

This is the greatest disservice to any underachieving community -- insisting that their fate is held by external forces, that your behaviors are irrelevant.

a/k/a the racism of low expectations, which these tired old leftists can't acknowledge,
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BancroftBear93 said:

GBear4Life said:

BearForce2 said:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/06/george-floyd-protests-riots-will-leave-lasting-damage-wont-bring-racial-equality/





We know that blacks won't improve outcomes out of their community without changing behaviors, which require a change in attitude and perspective, which in the aggregate will lead to a different culture. Patrick Moynihan knew it 50 years ago, and we know this is the case with every community.

The "equality" trope the left cites is a boogeyman by design -- because it allows isolated incidents to be broadcast as representative of society at large, making the oppression trope an unkillable omnipresent monster.

It also steers attention and priorities away from behaviors. The left is preoccupied with telling blacks that YOU NEED NOT CHANGE, it is simply a matter of "whites raising better white children", as astonishingly stated on ABC primetime news last night.

This is the greatest disservice to any underachieving community -- insisting that their fate is held by external forces, that your behaviors are irrelevant.

a/k/a the racism of low expectations, which these tired old leftists can't acknowledge,
Spoken like someone who has no friends who are people of color and disregards U.S. history. Just freaking stunning the both of you.

In other headlines:

3 self-proclaimed members of the far-right 'boogaloo' movement were arrested on domestic terrorism charges for trying to spark violence during protests.

https://news.yahoo.com/3-self-proclaimed-members-far-020736009.html

Are these 3 idiots acting alone or are they part of a larger community hoping to repeat this stoking of violence throughout the country where protests are taking place?

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BearNIt said:

BancroftBear93 said:

GBear4Life said:

BearForce2 said:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/06/george-floyd-protests-riots-will-leave-lasting-damage-wont-bring-racial-equality/





We know that blacks won't improve outcomes out of their community without changing behaviors, which require a change in attitude and perspective, which in the aggregate will lead to a different culture. Patrick Moynihan knew it 50 years ago, and we know this is the case with every community.

The "equality" trope the left cites is a boogeyman by design -- because it allows isolated incidents to be broadcast as representative of society at large, making the oppression trope an unkillable omnipresent monster.

It also steers attention and priorities away from behaviors. The left is preoccupied with telling blacks that YOU NEED NOT CHANGE, it is simply a matter of "whites raising better white children", as astonishingly stated on ABC primetime news last night.

This is the greatest disservice to any underachieving community -- insisting that their fate is held by external forces, that your behaviors are irrelevant.

a/k/a the racism of low expectations, which these tired old leftists can't acknowledge,
Spoken like someone who has no friends who are people of color. Just freaking stunning the both of you.

3 self-proclaimed members of the far-right 'boogaloo' movement were arrested on domestic terrorism charges for trying to spark violence during protests.

https://news.yahoo.com/3-self-proclaimed-members-far-020736009.html

Are these 3 idiots acting alone or are they part of a larger community hoping to repeat this stoking of violence throughout the country where protests are taking place.


^ tired old leftist
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BancroftBear93 said:

BearNIt said:

BancroftBear93 said:

GBear4Life said:

BearForce2 said:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/06/george-floyd-protests-riots-will-leave-lasting-damage-wont-bring-racial-equality/





We know that blacks won't improve outcomes out of their community without changing behaviors, which require a change in attitude and perspective, which in the aggregate will lead to a different culture. Patrick Moynihan knew it 50 years ago, and we know this is the case with every community.

The "equality" trope the left cites is a boogeyman by design -- because it allows isolated incidents to be broadcast as representative of society at large, making the oppression trope an unkillable omnipresent monster.

It also steers attention and priorities away from behaviors. The left is preoccupied with telling blacks that YOU NEED NOT CHANGE, it is simply a matter of "whites raising better white children", as astonishingly stated on ABC primetime news last night.

This is the greatest disservice to any underachieving community -- insisting that their fate is held by external forces, that your behaviors are irrelevant.

a/k/a the racism of low expectations, which these tired old leftists can't acknowledge,
Spoken like someone who has no friends who are people of color and disregards U.S. history.. Just freaking stunning the both of you.

3 self-proclaimed members of the far-right 'boogaloo' movement were arrested on domestic terrorism charges for trying to spark violence during protests.

https://news.yahoo.com/3-self-proclaimed-members-far-020736009.html

Are these 3 idiots acting alone or are they part of a larger community hoping to repeat this stoking of violence throughout the country where protests are taking place.


^ tired old leftist
Neither tired, old, or leftist but rather informed, intellectually curious, centrist, and not hiding behind the gates to the compound. You should really get out more and talk to people who don't look like you, you might learn a few things.
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BearNIt said:

BancroftBear93 said:

BearNIt said:

BancroftBear93 said:

GBear4Life said:

BearForce2 said:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/06/george-floyd-protests-riots-will-leave-lasting-damage-wont-bring-racial-equality/





We know that blacks won't improve outcomes out of their community without changing behaviors, which require a change in attitude and perspective, which in the aggregate will lead to a different culture. Patrick Moynihan knew it 50 years ago, and we know this is the case with every community.

The "equality" trope the left cites is a boogeyman by design -- because it allows isolated incidents to be broadcast as representative of society at large, making the oppression trope an unkillable omnipresent monster.

It also steers attention and priorities away from behaviors. The left is preoccupied with telling blacks that YOU NEED NOT CHANGE, it is simply a matter of "whites raising better white children", as astonishingly stated on ABC primetime news last night.

This is the greatest disservice to any underachieving community -- insisting that their fate is held by external forces, that your behaviors are irrelevant.

a/k/a the racism of low expectations, which these tired old leftists can't acknowledge,
Spoken like someone who has no friends who are people of color and disregards U.S. history.. Just freaking stunning the both of you.

3 self-proclaimed members of the far-right 'boogaloo' movement were arrested on domestic terrorism charges for trying to spark violence during protests.

https://news.yahoo.com/3-self-proclaimed-members-far-020736009.html

Are these 3 idiots acting alone or are they part of a larger community hoping to repeat this stoking of violence throughout the country where protests are taking place.


^ tired old leftist
Neither tired, old, or leftist but rather informed, intellectually curious, centrist, and not hiding behind the gates to the compound. You should really get out more and talk to people who don't look like you, you might learn a few things.

Fine. You're also a boring blowhard with nothing to add except an ad hominem attack and some lame attempt at distraction. So a tired old leftist in spirit.

Speaking of people who don't look like me, I love this guy. Come give me your informed, intellectually curious, centrist, and not hiding behind the gates to the compound take on him.

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/96002

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BancroftBear93 said:

BearNIt said:

BancroftBear93 said:

BearNIt said:

BancroftBear93 said:

GBear4Life said:

BearForce2 said:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/06/george-floyd-protests-riots-will-leave-lasting-damage-wont-bring-racial-equality/





We know that blacks won't improve outcomes out of their community without changing behaviors, which require a change in attitude and perspective, which in the aggregate will lead to a different culture. Patrick Moynihan knew it 50 years ago, and we know this is the case with every community.

The "equality" trope the left cites is a boogeyman by design -- because it allows isolated incidents to be broadcast as representative of society at large, making the oppression trope an unkillable omnipresent monster.

It also steers attention and priorities away from behaviors. The left is preoccupied with telling blacks that YOU NEED NOT CHANGE, it is simply a matter of "whites raising better white children", as astonishingly stated on ABC primetime news last night.

This is the greatest disservice to any underachieving community -- insisting that their fate is held by external forces, that your behaviors are irrelevant.

a/k/a the racism of low expectations, which these tired old leftists can't acknowledge,
Spoken like someone who has no friends who are people of color and disregards U.S. history.. Just freaking stunning the both of you.

3 self-proclaimed members of the far-right 'boogaloo' movement were arrested on domestic terrorism charges for trying to spark violence during protests.

https://news.yahoo.com/3-self-proclaimed-members-far-020736009.html

Are these 3 idiots acting alone or are they part of a larger community hoping to repeat this stoking of violence throughout the country where protests are taking place.


^ tired old leftist
Neither tired, old, or leftist but rather informed, intellectually curious, centrist, and not hiding behind the gates to the compound. You should really get out more and talk to people who don't look like you, you might learn a few things.

Fine. You're also a boring blowhard with nothing to add except an ad hominem attack and some lame attempt at distraction. So a tired old leftist in spirit.

Speaking of people who don't look like me, I love this guy. Come give me your informed, intellectually curious, centrist, and not hiding behind the gates to the compound take on him.

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/96002


If your going to use this guy to prove a point at least have him get the information right. Economists polled by Refinitiv expect the US economy to shed another 8 million jobs in May, bringing the tally of jobs lost during the coronavirus pandemic to 28.5 million -- more than three times the number of jobs lost during the 2008 financial crisis.

That would push the unemployment rate to nearly 20%, a record high. The Bureau of Labor Statistics, which is set to release its jobs report at 8:30 am ET Friday, began tracking monthly data in 1948.

Per EPI, as of the latest data, the black unemployment rate is 16.7%, compared with a white unemployment rate of 14.2%. And while these differences are notable, they mask even greater disparities that are apparent when we look at unemployment rates by race and gender. White men experienced a large, but relatively smaller, rise in unemployment. Still, the white male unemployment rate is now higher than the highest point the overall unemployment rate reached in the depths of the Great Recession (10.0%, in October 2009). White women experienced the largest increase in unemployment, while black women now have the highest unemployment rate of the four groups analyzed. Across race, gender, and ethnicity, Hispanic women actually have the highest unemployment rate as of April 2020about one in five Latina workers are unemployed.

If this is your guy then good luck you can always invite him over and discuss the U.S. financial picture, I bet he would have some innovative ideas. Captain Catastrophe and his Merry Band of Idiots are doing a great job. That's my take.



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BearNIt said:

BancroftBear93 said:

BearNIt said:

BancroftBear93 said:

BearNIt said:

BancroftBear93 said:

GBear4Life said:

BearForce2 said:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/06/george-floyd-protests-riots-will-leave-lasting-damage-wont-bring-racial-equality/





We know that blacks won't improve outcomes out of their community without changing behaviors, which require a change in attitude and perspective, which in the aggregate will lead to a different culture. Patrick Moynihan knew it 50 years ago, and we know this is the case with every community.

The "equality" trope the left cites is a boogeyman by design -- because it allows isolated incidents to be broadcast as representative of society at large, making the oppression trope an unkillable omnipresent monster.

It also steers attention and priorities away from behaviors. The left is preoccupied with telling blacks that YOU NEED NOT CHANGE, it is simply a matter of "whites raising better white children", as astonishingly stated on ABC primetime news last night.

This is the greatest disservice to any underachieving community -- insisting that their fate is held by external forces, that your behaviors are irrelevant.

a/k/a the racism of low expectations, which these tired old leftists can't acknowledge,
Spoken like someone who has no friends who are people of color and disregards U.S. history.. Just freaking stunning the both of you.

3 self-proclaimed members of the far-right 'boogaloo' movement were arrested on domestic terrorism charges for trying to spark violence during protests.

https://news.yahoo.com/3-self-proclaimed-members-far-020736009.html

Are these 3 idiots acting alone or are they part of a larger community hoping to repeat this stoking of violence throughout the country where protests are taking place.


^ tired old leftist
Neither tired, old, or leftist but rather informed, intellectually curious, centrist, and not hiding behind the gates to the compound. You should really get out more and talk to people who don't look like you, you might learn a few things.

Fine. You're also a boring blowhard with nothing to add except an ad hominem attack and some lame attempt at distraction. So a tired old leftist in spirit.

Speaking of people who don't look like me, I love this guy. Come give me your informed, intellectually curious, centrist, and not hiding behind the gates to the compound take on him.

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/96002


If your going to use this guy to prove a point at least have him get the information right. Economists polled by Refinitiv expect the US economy to shed another 8 million jobs in May, bringing the tally of jobs lost during the coronavirus pandemic to 28.5 million -- more than three times the number of jobs lost during the 2008 financial crisis.

That would push the unemployment rate to nearly 20%, a record high. The Bureau of Labor Statistics, which is set to release its jobs report at 8:30 am ET Friday, began tracking monthly data in 1948. If this is your guy then good luck you can always invite him over and discuss the U.S. financial picture, I bet he would have some innovative ideas.



You're right, Trump is responsible for the coronavirus, the resulting overreaction and unemployment, and your retort isn't the least bit pedantic. You are exactly what I needed to finally fall asleep. Thank you, my friend.
 
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