hanky1 said:A crime is a crime whether it's committed by a cop or a looter. You want racial equality? Nothing is more equal than treating everyone the same under the law.okaydo said:BearForce2 said:This is a silly question, Fox News? Points? All 3 deaths were due to the result of senseless violence. The question is, why is media coverage for David Dorn and Patrick Underwood so minimal in comparison? Because they were cops? Because there's no video evidence?CalFan777 said:
Their lives do matter, but will their deaths be brought up anytime by the Fox News crowd to not score political points? Are messages like this really angry at their deaths? Or are they "look here's some black dead guys too so there!"?
Because bad people doing thuggish things isn't as newsworthy as people who are supposed to be good like cops doing thuggish things -- acts that would get them arrested if they didn't have a badge.
Maybe you should stop thinking of looters who commit violence and police who commit violence unprovoked as being equivalent.
Maybe you should start respecting cops by holding them to a higher standard than criminals.
That's what I'm concerned about. Sure they have charges, but history shows cops are very rarely convicted. Then we'll have looting and pillaging phase II.okaydo said:hanky1 said:A crime is a crime whether it's committed by a cop or a looter. You want racial equality? Nothing is more equal than treating everyone the same under the law.okaydo said:BearForce2 said:This is a silly question, Fox News? Points? All 3 deaths were due to the result of senseless violence. The question is, why is media coverage for David Dorn and Patrick Underwood so minimal in comparison? Because they were cops? Because there's no video evidence?CalFan777 said:
Their lives do matter, but will their deaths be brought up anytime by the Fox News crowd to not score political points? Are messages like this really angry at their deaths? Or are they "look here's some black dead guys too so there!"?
Because bad people doing thuggish things isn't as newsworthy as people who are supposed to be good like cops doing thuggish things -- acts that would get them arrested if they didn't have a badge.
Maybe you should stop thinking of looters who commit violence and police who commit violence unprovoked as being equivalent.
Maybe you should start respecting cops by holding them to a higher standard than criminals.
But the problem cops are not treated the same under the law. Heck, there needed to be protests to get Derek Chauvin arrested, and he's unlikely to be convicted.
LMK5 said:That's what I'm concerned about. Sure they have charges, but history shows cops are very rarely convicted. Then we'll have looting and pillaging phase II.okaydo said:hanky1 said:A crime is a crime whether it's committed by a cop or a looter. You want racial equality? Nothing is more equal than treating everyone the same under the law.okaydo said:BearForce2 said:This is a silly question, Fox News? Points? All 3 deaths were due to the result of senseless violence. The question is, why is media coverage for David Dorn and Patrick Underwood so minimal in comparison? Because they were cops? Because there's no video evidence?CalFan777 said:
Their lives do matter, but will their deaths be brought up anytime by the Fox News crowd to not score political points? Are messages like this really angry at their deaths? Or are they "look here's some black dead guys too so there!"?
Because bad people doing thuggish things isn't as newsworthy as people who are supposed to be good like cops doing thuggish things -- acts that would get them arrested if they didn't have a badge.
Maybe you should stop thinking of looters who commit violence and police who commit violence unprovoked as being equivalent.
Maybe you should start respecting cops by holding them to a higher standard than criminals.
But the problem cops are not treated the same under the law. Heck, there needed to be protests to get Derek Chauvin arrested, and he's unlikely to be convicted.
Are you saying they go hand in hand? One must accompany the other? Are you sure about that?okaydo said:LMK5 said:That's what I'm concerned about. Sure they have charges, but history shows cops are very rarely convicted. Then we'll have looting and pillaging phase II.okaydo said:hanky1 said:A crime is a crime whether it's committed by a cop or a looter. You want racial equality? Nothing is more equal than treating everyone the same under the law.okaydo said:BearForce2 said:This is a silly question, Fox News? Points? All 3 deaths were due to the result of senseless violence. The question is, why is media coverage for David Dorn and Patrick Underwood so minimal in comparison? Because they were cops? Because there's no video evidence?CalFan777 said:
Their lives do matter, but will their deaths be brought up anytime by the Fox News crowd to not score political points? Are messages like this really angry at their deaths? Or are they "look here's some black dead guys too so there!"?
Because bad people doing thuggish things isn't as newsworthy as people who are supposed to be good like cops doing thuggish things -- acts that would get them arrested if they didn't have a badge.
Maybe you should stop thinking of looters who commit violence and police who commit violence unprovoked as being equivalent.
Maybe you should start respecting cops by holding them to a higher standard than criminals.
But the problem cops are not treated the same under the law. Heck, there needed to be protests to get Derek Chauvin arrested, and he's unlikely to be convicted.
The system is broken when the only way for change to happen is for mass protest, which will unfortunately have looting.
https://www.checkthepolice.org/okaydo said:hanky1 said:A crime is a crime whether it's committed by a cop or a looter. You want racial equality? Nothing is more equal than treating everyone the same under the law.okaydo said:BearForce2 said:This is a silly question, Fox News? Points? All 3 deaths were due to the result of senseless violence. The question is, why is media coverage for David Dorn and Patrick Underwood so minimal in comparison? Because they were cops? Because there's no video evidence?CalFan777 said:
Their lives do matter, but will their deaths be brought up anytime by the Fox News crowd to not score political points? Are messages like this really angry at their deaths? Or are they "look here's some black dead guys too so there!"?
Because bad people doing thuggish things isn't as newsworthy as people who are supposed to be good like cops doing thuggish things -- acts that would get them arrested if they didn't have a badge.
Maybe you should stop thinking of looters who commit violence and police who commit violence unprovoked as being equivalent.
Maybe you should start respecting cops by holding them to a higher standard than criminals.
But the problem cops are not treated the same under the law. Heck, there needed to be protests to get Derek Chauvin arrested, and he's unlikely to be convicted.
This type of posting seems a bit dishonest. I am not saying you are dishonest, but someone who graduated from UC Berkeley really should be able to differentiate without resorting to race as the only response.okaydo said:LMK5 said:That's what I'm concerned about. Sure they have charges, but history shows cops are very rarely convicted. Then we'll have looting and pillaging phase II.okaydo said:hanky1 said:A crime is a crime whether it's committed by a cop or a looter. You want racial equality? Nothing is more equal than treating everyone the same under the law.okaydo said:BearForce2 said:This is a silly question, Fox News? Points? All 3 deaths were due to the result of senseless violence. The question is, why is media coverage for David Dorn and Patrick Underwood so minimal in comparison? Because they were cops? Because there's no video evidence?CalFan777 said:
Their lives do matter, but will their deaths be brought up anytime by the Fox News crowd to not score political points? Are messages like this really angry at their deaths? Or are they "look here's some black dead guys too so there!"?
Because bad people doing thuggish things isn't as newsworthy as people who are supposed to be good like cops doing thuggish things -- acts that would get them arrested if they didn't have a badge.
Maybe you should stop thinking of looters who commit violence and police who commit violence unprovoked as being equivalent.
Maybe you should start respecting cops by holding them to a higher standard than criminals.
But the problem cops are not treated the same under the law. Heck, there needed to be protests to get Derek Chauvin arrested, and he's unlikely to be convicted.
The system is broken when the only way for change to happen is for mass protest, which will unfortunately have looting.
"intelligence" is made a pawn by the intoxicating elixir of ideology.calbear93 said:
This type of posting seems a bit dishonest. I am not saying you are dishonest, but someone who graduated from UC Berkeley really should be able to differentiate without resorting to race as the only response.
When the protest first started recently, the police had a very hands off approach. It was only when there were attacks against the police who were just monitoring and when there were mass looting that there was any significant push back on a mass scale by the police.
Now, if the people who were protesting before regarding SIP started to loot buildings or started to attack police, do you honestly think the police would have done nothing?
Furthermore, the claim that the protesters demanding justice for Floyd and definitely looters were of just one color is insulting.
You must be intelligent enough to sleuth factors that are different beyond race.
okaydo said:hanky1 said:A crime is a crime whether it's committed by a cop or a looter. You want racial equality? Nothing is more equal than treating everyone the same under the law.okaydo said:BearForce2 said:This is a silly question, Fox News? Points? All 3 deaths were due to the result of senseless violence. The question is, why is media coverage for David Dorn and Patrick Underwood so minimal in comparison? Because they were cops? Because there's no video evidence?CalFan777 said:
Their lives do matter, but will their deaths be brought up anytime by the Fox News crowd to not score political points? Are messages like this really angry at their deaths? Or are they "look here's some black dead guys too so there!"?
Because bad people doing thuggish things isn't as newsworthy as people who are supposed to be good like cops doing thuggish things -- acts that would get them arrested if they didn't have a badge.
Maybe you should stop thinking of looters who commit violence and police who commit violence unprovoked as being equivalent.
Maybe you should start respecting cops by holding them to a higher standard than criminals.
But the problem cops are not treated the same under the law. Heck, there needed to be protests to get Derek Chauvin arrested, and he's unlikely to be convicted.
Yeah, those leftist mobs and their 3-D Chess!hanky1 said:okaydo said:hanky1 said:A crime is a crime whether it's committed by a cop or a looter. You want racial equality? Nothing is more equal than treating everyone the same under the law.okaydo said:BearForce2 said:This is a silly question, Fox News? Points? All 3 deaths were due to the result of senseless violence. The question is, why is media coverage for David Dorn and Patrick Underwood so minimal in comparison? Because they were cops? Because there's no video evidence?CalFan777 said:
Their lives do matter, but will their deaths be brought up anytime by the Fox News crowd to not score political points? Are messages like this really angry at their deaths? Or are they "look here's some black dead guys too so there!"?
Because bad people doing thuggish things isn't as newsworthy as people who are supposed to be good like cops doing thuggish things -- acts that would get them arrested if they didn't have a badge.
Maybe you should stop thinking of looters who commit violence and police who commit violence unprovoked as being equivalent.
Maybe you should start respecting cops by holding them to a higher standard than criminals.
But the problem cops are not treated the same under the law. Heck, there needed to be protests to get Derek Chauvin arrested, and he's unlikely to be convicted.
Yeah because the idiot State DA upgraded the charge from 3rd to 2nd degree murder (which it is highly questionable that's its 2nd degree) due to political pressure. 3rd degree murder was a slam dunk. 2nd degree murder-he probably walks. That's what you get when you pressure DAs into doing something without understanding the consequences.
Or maybe the leftist mob do know the consequences? Maybe they want that cop to walk free so they can further stoke the fires of a race war which they so desperately want.
NO, it's not 3-D chess. It's people who think having access to the internet makes them experts in every field. It's like idiots who are claiming that freedom of speech applies to private organization. Do you honestly think they even understand the difference elements to 2nd degree murder versus 3rd degree, and how failure to meet each of the elements on a unanimous basis will mean acquittal? OR do you think they take the Spinal Tap type of mentality that "but it goes to 11" so it must be better.Eastern Oregon Bear said:Yeah, those leftist mobs and their 3-D Chess!hanky1 said:okaydo said:hanky1 said:A crime is a crime whether it's committed by a cop or a looter. You want racial equality? Nothing is more equal than treating everyone the same under the law.okaydo said:BearForce2 said:This is a silly question, Fox News? Points? All 3 deaths were due to the result of senseless violence. The question is, why is media coverage for David Dorn and Patrick Underwood so minimal in comparison? Because they were cops? Because there's no video evidence?CalFan777 said:
Their lives do matter, but will their deaths be brought up anytime by the Fox News crowd to not score political points? Are messages like this really angry at their deaths? Or are they "look here's some black dead guys too so there!"?
Because bad people doing thuggish things isn't as newsworthy as people who are supposed to be good like cops doing thuggish things -- acts that would get them arrested if they didn't have a badge.
Maybe you should stop thinking of looters who commit violence and police who commit violence unprovoked as being equivalent.
Maybe you should start respecting cops by holding them to a higher standard than criminals.
But the problem cops are not treated the same under the law. Heck, there needed to be protests to get Derek Chauvin arrested, and he's unlikely to be convicted.
Yeah because the idiot State DA upgraded the charge from 3rd to 2nd degree murder (which it is highly questionable that's its 2nd degree) due to political pressure. 3rd degree murder was a slam dunk. 2nd degree murder-he probably walks. That's what you get when you pressure DAs into doing something without understanding the consequences.
Or maybe the leftist mob do know the consequences? Maybe they want that cop to walk free so they can further stoke the fires of a race war which they so desperately want.
The same thing happened when that illegal immigrant killed that girl in SF a couple years back. He was found not guilty because the idiot DA caved into political pressure and upgraded his charges when it was not warranted. It cuts both ways...calbear93 said:NO, it's not 3-D chess. It's people who think having access to the internet makes them experts in every field. It's like idiots who are claiming that freedom of speech applies to private organization. Do you honestly think they even understand the difference elements to 2nd degree murder versus 3rd degree, and how failure to meet each of the elements on a unanimous basis will mean acquittal? OR do you think they take the Spinal Tap type of mentality that "but it goes to 11" so it must be better.Eastern Oregon Bear said:Yeah, those leftist mobs and their 3-D Chess!hanky1 said:okaydo said:hanky1 said:A crime is a crime whether it's committed by a cop or a looter. You want racial equality? Nothing is more equal than treating everyone the same under the law.okaydo said:BearForce2 said:This is a silly question, Fox News? Points? All 3 deaths were due to the result of senseless violence. The question is, why is media coverage for David Dorn and Patrick Underwood so minimal in comparison? Because they were cops? Because there's no video evidence?CalFan777 said:
Their lives do matter, but will their deaths be brought up anytime by the Fox News crowd to not score political points? Are messages like this really angry at their deaths? Or are they "look here's some black dead guys too so there!"?
Because bad people doing thuggish things isn't as newsworthy as people who are supposed to be good like cops doing thuggish things -- acts that would get them arrested if they didn't have a badge.
Maybe you should stop thinking of looters who commit violence and police who commit violence unprovoked as being equivalent.
Maybe you should start respecting cops by holding them to a higher standard than criminals.
But the problem cops are not treated the same under the law. Heck, there needed to be protests to get Derek Chauvin arrested, and he's unlikely to be convicted.
Yeah because the idiot State DA upgraded the charge from 3rd to 2nd degree murder (which it is highly questionable that's its 2nd degree) due to political pressure. 3rd degree murder was a slam dunk. 2nd degree murder-he probably walks. That's what you get when you pressure DAs into doing something without understanding the consequences.
Or maybe the leftist mob do know the consequences? Maybe they want that cop to walk free so they can further stoke the fires of a race war which they so desperately want.
Shedding fake tears in front of the camera? That's a giveaway for a person with leftist ideology.LMK5 said:
In other news, Don Lemon continues to refer to himself as a journalist.
No, he is not a journalist. He is a punditBearForce2 said:Shedding fake tears in front of the camera? That's a giveaway for a person with leftist ideology.LMK5 said:
In other news, Don Lemon continues to refer to himself as a journalist.
May if you frame this as "the deep state" or "unelected bureaucrats" or similar you will get more people on board. Trump convinced conservatives to hate the FBI (which are just federal police) so anything is possible.sycasey said:https://www.checkthepolice.org/okaydo said:hanky1 said:A crime is a crime whether it's committed by a cop or a looter. You want racial equality? Nothing is more equal than treating everyone the same under the law.okaydo said:BearForce2 said:This is a silly question, Fox News? Points? All 3 deaths were due to the result of senseless violence. The question is, why is media coverage for David Dorn and Patrick Underwood so minimal in comparison? Because they were cops? Because there's no video evidence?CalFan777 said:
Their lives do matter, but will their deaths be brought up anytime by the Fox News crowd to not score political points? Are messages like this really angry at their deaths? Or are they "look here's some black dead guys too so there!"?
Because bad people doing thuggish things isn't as newsworthy as people who are supposed to be good like cops doing thuggish things -- acts that would get them arrested if they didn't have a badge.
Maybe you should stop thinking of looters who commit violence and police who commit violence unprovoked as being equivalent.
Maybe you should start respecting cops by holding them to a higher standard than criminals.
But the problem cops are not treated the same under the law. Heck, there needed to be protests to get Derek Chauvin arrested, and he's unlikely to be convicted.
Police unions negotiate a lot of rules specifically designed to prevent cops from being held accountable for misconduct. They are able to do so because they have been able to cow a lot of mayors, governors, and even the general public into supporting their demands so that the police will continue doing their jobs. In some cases police unions have actually engaged in a "work slowdown" and stopped enforcing laws, in order to send a message to the mayor.
https://www.vox.com/2015/1/6/7501953/nypd-mayor-arrests-union
Does this sound a bit like a protection racket? Yeah, a little bit. Though the irony is that crime didn't really increase during the slowdown period, when the cops were mostly just slowing down on parking tickets and other minor violations. So maybe mayors don't need to be so afraid of police unions anymore.
Or maybe they are doing it to put pressure on him to plead it down to 3rd degree or voluntary manslaughter the way they typically do. I wouldn't feel too good if I were in Chauvin's position.calbear93 said:NO, it's not 3-D chess. It's people who think having access to the internet makes them experts in every field. It's like idiots who are claiming that freedom of speech applies to private organization. Do you honestly think they even understand the difference elements to 2nd degree murder versus 3rd degree, and how failure to meet each of the elements on a unanimous basis will mean acquittal? OR do you think they take the Spinal Tap type of mentality that "but it goes to 11" so it must be better.Eastern Oregon Bear said:Yeah, those leftist mobs and their 3-D Chess!hanky1 said:okaydo said:hanky1 said:A crime is a crime whether it's committed by a cop or a looter. You want racial equality? Nothing is more equal than treating everyone the same under the law.okaydo said:BearForce2 said:This is a silly question, Fox News? Points? All 3 deaths were due to the result of senseless violence. The question is, why is media coverage for David Dorn and Patrick Underwood so minimal in comparison? Because they were cops? Because there's no video evidence?CalFan777 said:
Their lives do matter, but will their deaths be brought up anytime by the Fox News crowd to not score political points? Are messages like this really angry at their deaths? Or are they "look here's some black dead guys too so there!"?
Because bad people doing thuggish things isn't as newsworthy as people who are supposed to be good like cops doing thuggish things -- acts that would get them arrested if they didn't have a badge.
Maybe you should stop thinking of looters who commit violence and police who commit violence unprovoked as being equivalent.
Maybe you should start respecting cops by holding them to a higher standard than criminals.
But the problem cops are not treated the same under the law. Heck, there needed to be protests to get Derek Chauvin arrested, and he's unlikely to be convicted.
Yeah because the idiot State DA upgraded the charge from 3rd to 2nd degree murder (which it is highly questionable that's its 2nd degree) due to political pressure. 3rd degree murder was a slam dunk. 2nd degree murder-he probably walks. That's what you get when you pressure DAs into doing something without understanding the consequences.
Or maybe the leftist mob do know the consequences? Maybe they want that cop to walk free so they can further stoke the fires of a race war which they so desperately want.
Unit2Sucks said:Or maybe they are doing it to put pressure on him to plead it down to 3rd degree or voluntary manslaughter the way they typically do. I wouldn't feel too good if I were in Chauvin's position.calbear93 said:NO, it's not 3-D chess. It's people who think having access to the internet makes them experts in every field. It's like idiots who are claiming that freedom of speech applies to private organization. Do you honestly think they even understand the difference elements to 2nd degree murder versus 3rd degree, and how failure to meet each of the elements on a unanimous basis will mean acquittal? OR do you think they take the Spinal Tap type of mentality that "but it goes to 11" so it must be better.Eastern Oregon Bear said:Yeah, those leftist mobs and their 3-D Chess!hanky1 said:okaydo said:hanky1 said:A crime is a crime whether it's committed by a cop or a looter. You want racial equality? Nothing is more equal than treating everyone the same under the law.okaydo said:BearForce2 said:This is a silly question, Fox News? Points? All 3 deaths were due to the result of senseless violence. The question is, why is media coverage for David Dorn and Patrick Underwood so minimal in comparison? Because they were cops? Because there's no video evidence?CalFan777 said:
Their lives do matter, but will their deaths be brought up anytime by the Fox News crowd to not score political points? Are messages like this really angry at their deaths? Or are they "look here's some black dead guys too so there!"?
Because bad people doing thuggish things isn't as newsworthy as people who are supposed to be good like cops doing thuggish things -- acts that would get them arrested if they didn't have a badge.
Maybe you should stop thinking of looters who commit violence and police who commit violence unprovoked as being equivalent.
Maybe you should start respecting cops by holding them to a higher standard than criminals.
But the problem cops are not treated the same under the law. Heck, there needed to be protests to get Derek Chauvin arrested, and he's unlikely to be convicted.
Yeah because the idiot State DA upgraded the charge from 3rd to 2nd degree murder (which it is highly questionable that's its 2nd degree) due to political pressure. 3rd degree murder was a slam dunk. 2nd degree murder-he probably walks. That's what you get when you pressure DAs into doing something without understanding the consequences.
Or maybe the leftist mob do know the consequences? Maybe they want that cop to walk free so they can further stoke the fires of a race war which they so desperately want.
Yes, I didn't have to quote your reply.calbear93 said:Unit2Sucks said:Or maybe they are doing it to put pressure on him to plead it down to 3rd degree or voluntary manslaughter the way they typically do. I wouldn't feel too good if I were in Chauvin's position.calbear93 said:NO, it's not 3-D chess. It's people who think having access to the internet makes them experts in every field. It's like idiots who are claiming that freedom of speech applies to private organization. Do you honestly think they even understand the difference elements to 2nd degree murder versus 3rd degree, and how failure to meet each of the elements on a unanimous basis will mean acquittal? OR do you think they take the Spinal Tap type of mentality that "but it goes to 11" so it must be better.Eastern Oregon Bear said:Yeah, those leftist mobs and their 3-D Chess!hanky1 said:okaydo said:hanky1 said:A crime is a crime whether it's committed by a cop or a looter. You want racial equality? Nothing is more equal than treating everyone the same under the law.okaydo said:BearForce2 said:This is a silly question, Fox News? Points? All 3 deaths were due to the result of senseless violence. The question is, why is media coverage for David Dorn and Patrick Underwood so minimal in comparison? Because they were cops? Because there's no video evidence?CalFan777 said:
Their lives do matter, but will their deaths be brought up anytime by the Fox News crowd to not score political points? Are messages like this really angry at their deaths? Or are they "look here's some black dead guys too so there!"?
Because bad people doing thuggish things isn't as newsworthy as people who are supposed to be good like cops doing thuggish things -- acts that would get them arrested if they didn't have a badge.
Maybe you should stop thinking of looters who commit violence and police who commit violence unprovoked as being equivalent.
Maybe you should start respecting cops by holding them to a higher standard than criminals.
But the problem cops are not treated the same under the law. Heck, there needed to be protests to get Derek Chauvin arrested, and he's unlikely to be convicted.
Yeah because the idiot State DA upgraded the charge from 3rd to 2nd degree murder (which it is highly questionable that's its 2nd degree) due to political pressure. 3rd degree murder was a slam dunk. 2nd degree murder-he probably walks. That's what you get when you pressure DAs into doing something without understanding the consequences.
Or maybe the leftist mob do know the consequences? Maybe they want that cop to walk free so they can further stoke the fires of a race war which they so desperately want.
We may be talking past each other again. I was writing about the general public demanding specific charges without understanding the elements that need to be proven beyond reasonable doubt. You are writing about leverage and legal strategy of the prosecutor. Two different conversations we are having.
OK, my mistake for taking your bait with you, as always, jumping into my response to someone else and with you then ending by making a snide comment and twisting my comments. Please go away. So glad we don't actually have to deal with each other in real life.Unit2Sucks said:Yes, I didn't have to quote your reply.calbear93 said:Unit2Sucks said:Or maybe they are doing it to put pressure on him to plead it down to 3rd degree or voluntary manslaughter the way they typically do. I wouldn't feel too good if I were in Chauvin's position.calbear93 said:NO, it's not 3-D chess. It's people who think having access to the internet makes them experts in every field. It's like idiots who are claiming that freedom of speech applies to private organization. Do you honestly think they even understand the difference elements to 2nd degree murder versus 3rd degree, and how failure to meet each of the elements on a unanimous basis will mean acquittal? OR do you think they take the Spinal Tap type of mentality that "but it goes to 11" so it must be better.Eastern Oregon Bear said:Yeah, those leftist mobs and their 3-D Chess!hanky1 said:okaydo said:hanky1 said:A crime is a crime whether it's committed by a cop or a looter. You want racial equality? Nothing is more equal than treating everyone the same under the law.okaydo said:BearForce2 said:This is a silly question, Fox News? Points? All 3 deaths were due to the result of senseless violence. The question is, why is media coverage for David Dorn and Patrick Underwood so minimal in comparison? Because they were cops? Because there's no video evidence?CalFan777 said:
Their lives do matter, but will their deaths be brought up anytime by the Fox News crowd to not score political points? Are messages like this really angry at their deaths? Or are they "look here's some black dead guys too so there!"?
Because bad people doing thuggish things isn't as newsworthy as people who are supposed to be good like cops doing thuggish things -- acts that would get them arrested if they didn't have a badge.
Maybe you should stop thinking of looters who commit violence and police who commit violence unprovoked as being equivalent.
Maybe you should start respecting cops by holding them to a higher standard than criminals.
But the problem cops are not treated the same under the law. Heck, there needed to be protests to get Derek Chauvin arrested, and he's unlikely to be convicted.
Yeah because the idiot State DA upgraded the charge from 3rd to 2nd degree murder (which it is highly questionable that's its 2nd degree) due to political pressure. 3rd degree murder was a slam dunk. 2nd degree murder-he probably walks. That's what you get when you pressure DAs into doing something without understanding the consequences.
Or maybe the leftist mob do know the consequences? Maybe they want that cop to walk free so they can further stoke the fires of a race war which they so desperately want.
We may be talking past each other again. I was writing about the general public demanding specific charges without understanding the elements that need to be proven beyond reasonable doubt. You are writing about leverage and legal strategy of the prosecutor. Two different conversations we are having.
While we are discussing your reply I should note the lesser charges are still outstanding, which I wasn't aware of, and that the original charges are lesser included offenses and that in Minnesota a jury can convict for lesser included offenses.
So back to my original point, there is any number of reasons why they would have included the upgraded murder charge. Apologies for getting in the way of you calling people without expertise in criminal law idiots.
You don't even have to deal with me here but you keep falling short of your empty promise to not engage. It's amazing how little it takes to set you off.calbear93 said:OK, my mistake for taking your bait with you, as always, jumping into my response to someone else and with you then ending by making a snide comment and twisting my comments. Please go away. So glad we don't actually have to deal with each other in real life.Unit2Sucks said:Yes, I didn't have to quote your reply.calbear93 said:Unit2Sucks said:Or maybe they are doing it to put pressure on him to plead it down to 3rd degree or voluntary manslaughter the way they typically do. I wouldn't feel too good if I were in Chauvin's position.calbear93 said:NO, it's not 3-D chess. It's people who think having access to the internet makes them experts in every field. It's like idiots who are claiming that freedom of speech applies to private organization. Do you honestly think they even understand the difference elements to 2nd degree murder versus 3rd degree, and how failure to meet each of the elements on a unanimous basis will mean acquittal? OR do you think they take the Spinal Tap type of mentality that "but it goes to 11" so it must be better.Eastern Oregon Bear said:Yeah, those leftist mobs and their 3-D Chess!hanky1 said:okaydo said:hanky1 said:A crime is a crime whether it's committed by a cop or a looter. You want racial equality? Nothing is more equal than treating everyone the same under the law.okaydo said:BearForce2 said:This is a silly question, Fox News? Points? All 3 deaths were due to the result of senseless violence. The question is, why is media coverage for David Dorn and Patrick Underwood so minimal in comparison? Because they were cops? Because there's no video evidence?CalFan777 said:
Their lives do matter, but will their deaths be brought up anytime by the Fox News crowd to not score political points? Are messages like this really angry at their deaths? Or are they "look here's some black dead guys too so there!"?
Because bad people doing thuggish things isn't as newsworthy as people who are supposed to be good like cops doing thuggish things -- acts that would get them arrested if they didn't have a badge.
Maybe you should stop thinking of looters who commit violence and police who commit violence unprovoked as being equivalent.
Maybe you should start respecting cops by holding them to a higher standard than criminals.
But the problem cops are not treated the same under the law. Heck, there needed to be protests to get Derek Chauvin arrested, and he's unlikely to be convicted.
Yeah because the idiot State DA upgraded the charge from 3rd to 2nd degree murder (which it is highly questionable that's its 2nd degree) due to political pressure. 3rd degree murder was a slam dunk. 2nd degree murder-he probably walks. That's what you get when you pressure DAs into doing something without understanding the consequences.
Or maybe the leftist mob do know the consequences? Maybe they want that cop to walk free so they can further stoke the fires of a race war which they so desperately want.
We may be talking past each other again. I was writing about the general public demanding specific charges without understanding the elements that need to be proven beyond reasonable doubt. You are writing about leverage and legal strategy of the prosecutor. Two different conversations we are having.
While we are discussing your reply I should note the lesser charges are still outstanding, which I wasn't aware of, and that the original charges are lesser included offenses and that in Minnesota a jury can convict for lesser included offenses.
So back to my original point, there is any number of reasons why they would have included the upgraded murder charge. Apologies for getting in the way of you calling people without expertise in criminal law idiots.
We know that blacks won't improve outcomes out of their community without changing behaviors, which require a change in attitude and perspective, which in the aggregate will lead to a different culture. Patrick Moynihan knew it 50 years ago, and we know this is the case with every community.BearForce2 said:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/06/george-floyd-protests-riots-will-leave-lasting-damage-wont-bring-racial-equality/
GBear4Life said:We know that blacks won't improve outcomes out of their community without changing behaviors, which require a change in attitude and perspective, which in the aggregate will lead to a different culture. Patrick Moynihan knew it 50 years ago, and we know this is the case with every community.BearForce2 said:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/06/george-floyd-protests-riots-will-leave-lasting-damage-wont-bring-racial-equality/
The "equality" trope the left cites is a boogeyman by design -- because it allows isolated incidents to be broadcast as representative of society at large, making the oppression trope an unkillable omnipresent monster.
It also steers attention and priorities away from behaviors. The left is preoccupied with telling blacks that YOU NEED NOT CHANGE, it is simply a matter of "whites raising better white children", as astonishingly stated on ABC primetime news last night.
This is the greatest disservice to any underachieving community -- insisting that their fate is held by external forces, that your behaviors are irrelevant.
Spoken like someone who has no friends who are people of color and disregards U.S. history. Just freaking stunning the both of you.BancroftBear93 said:GBear4Life said:We know that blacks won't improve outcomes out of their community without changing behaviors, which require a change in attitude and perspective, which in the aggregate will lead to a different culture. Patrick Moynihan knew it 50 years ago, and we know this is the case with every community.BearForce2 said:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/06/george-floyd-protests-riots-will-leave-lasting-damage-wont-bring-racial-equality/
The "equality" trope the left cites is a boogeyman by design -- because it allows isolated incidents to be broadcast as representative of society at large, making the oppression trope an unkillable omnipresent monster.
It also steers attention and priorities away from behaviors. The left is preoccupied with telling blacks that YOU NEED NOT CHANGE, it is simply a matter of "whites raising better white children", as astonishingly stated on ABC primetime news last night.
This is the greatest disservice to any underachieving community -- insisting that their fate is held by external forces, that your behaviors are irrelevant.
a/k/a the racism of low expectations, which these tired old leftists can't acknowledge,
^ tired old leftistBearNIt said:Spoken like someone who has no friends who are people of color. Just freaking stunning the both of you.BancroftBear93 said:GBear4Life said:We know that blacks won't improve outcomes out of their community without changing behaviors, which require a change in attitude and perspective, which in the aggregate will lead to a different culture. Patrick Moynihan knew it 50 years ago, and we know this is the case with every community.BearForce2 said:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/06/george-floyd-protests-riots-will-leave-lasting-damage-wont-bring-racial-equality/
The "equality" trope the left cites is a boogeyman by design -- because it allows isolated incidents to be broadcast as representative of society at large, making the oppression trope an unkillable omnipresent monster.
It also steers attention and priorities away from behaviors. The left is preoccupied with telling blacks that YOU NEED NOT CHANGE, it is simply a matter of "whites raising better white children", as astonishingly stated on ABC primetime news last night.
This is the greatest disservice to any underachieving community -- insisting that their fate is held by external forces, that your behaviors are irrelevant.
a/k/a the racism of low expectations, which these tired old leftists can't acknowledge,
3 self-proclaimed members of the far-right 'boogaloo' movement were arrested on domestic terrorism charges for trying to spark violence during protests.
https://news.yahoo.com/3-self-proclaimed-members-far-020736009.html
Are these 3 idiots acting alone or are they part of a larger community hoping to repeat this stoking of violence throughout the country where protests are taking place.
Neither tired, old, or leftist but rather informed, intellectually curious, centrist, and not hiding behind the gates to the compound. You should really get out more and talk to people who don't look like you, you might learn a few things.BancroftBear93 said:^ tired old leftistBearNIt said:Spoken like someone who has no friends who are people of color and disregards U.S. history.. Just freaking stunning the both of you.BancroftBear93 said:GBear4Life said:We know that blacks won't improve outcomes out of their community without changing behaviors, which require a change in attitude and perspective, which in the aggregate will lead to a different culture. Patrick Moynihan knew it 50 years ago, and we know this is the case with every community.BearForce2 said:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/06/george-floyd-protests-riots-will-leave-lasting-damage-wont-bring-racial-equality/
The "equality" trope the left cites is a boogeyman by design -- because it allows isolated incidents to be broadcast as representative of society at large, making the oppression trope an unkillable omnipresent monster.
It also steers attention and priorities away from behaviors. The left is preoccupied with telling blacks that YOU NEED NOT CHANGE, it is simply a matter of "whites raising better white children", as astonishingly stated on ABC primetime news last night.
This is the greatest disservice to any underachieving community -- insisting that their fate is held by external forces, that your behaviors are irrelevant.
a/k/a the racism of low expectations, which these tired old leftists can't acknowledge,
3 self-proclaimed members of the far-right 'boogaloo' movement were arrested on domestic terrorism charges for trying to spark violence during protests.
https://news.yahoo.com/3-self-proclaimed-members-far-020736009.html
Are these 3 idiots acting alone or are they part of a larger community hoping to repeat this stoking of violence throughout the country where protests are taking place.
Fine. You're also a boring blowhard with nothing to add except an ad hominem attack and some lame attempt at distraction. So a tired old leftist in spirit.BearNIt said:Neither tired, old, or leftist but rather informed, intellectually curious, centrist, and not hiding behind the gates to the compound. You should really get out more and talk to people who don't look like you, you might learn a few things.BancroftBear93 said:^ tired old leftistBearNIt said:Spoken like someone who has no friends who are people of color and disregards U.S. history.. Just freaking stunning the both of you.BancroftBear93 said:GBear4Life said:We know that blacks won't improve outcomes out of their community without changing behaviors, which require a change in attitude and perspective, which in the aggregate will lead to a different culture. Patrick Moynihan knew it 50 years ago, and we know this is the case with every community.BearForce2 said:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/06/george-floyd-protests-riots-will-leave-lasting-damage-wont-bring-racial-equality/
The "equality" trope the left cites is a boogeyman by design -- because it allows isolated incidents to be broadcast as representative of society at large, making the oppression trope an unkillable omnipresent monster.
It also steers attention and priorities away from behaviors. The left is preoccupied with telling blacks that YOU NEED NOT CHANGE, it is simply a matter of "whites raising better white children", as astonishingly stated on ABC primetime news last night.
This is the greatest disservice to any underachieving community -- insisting that their fate is held by external forces, that your behaviors are irrelevant.
a/k/a the racism of low expectations, which these tired old leftists can't acknowledge,
3 self-proclaimed members of the far-right 'boogaloo' movement were arrested on domestic terrorism charges for trying to spark violence during protests.
https://news.yahoo.com/3-self-proclaimed-members-far-020736009.html
Are these 3 idiots acting alone or are they part of a larger community hoping to repeat this stoking of violence throughout the country where protests are taking place.
If your going to use this guy to prove a point at least have him get the information right. Economists polled by Refinitiv expect the US economy to shed another 8 million jobs in May, bringing the tally of jobs lost during the coronavirus pandemic to 28.5 million -- more than three times the number of jobs lost during the 2008 financial crisis.BancroftBear93 said:Fine. You're also a boring blowhard with nothing to add except an ad hominem attack and some lame attempt at distraction. So a tired old leftist in spirit.BearNIt said:Neither tired, old, or leftist but rather informed, intellectually curious, centrist, and not hiding behind the gates to the compound. You should really get out more and talk to people who don't look like you, you might learn a few things.BancroftBear93 said:^ tired old leftistBearNIt said:Spoken like someone who has no friends who are people of color and disregards U.S. history.. Just freaking stunning the both of you.BancroftBear93 said:GBear4Life said:We know that blacks won't improve outcomes out of their community without changing behaviors, which require a change in attitude and perspective, which in the aggregate will lead to a different culture. Patrick Moynihan knew it 50 years ago, and we know this is the case with every community.BearForce2 said:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/06/george-floyd-protests-riots-will-leave-lasting-damage-wont-bring-racial-equality/
The "equality" trope the left cites is a boogeyman by design -- because it allows isolated incidents to be broadcast as representative of society at large, making the oppression trope an unkillable omnipresent monster.
It also steers attention and priorities away from behaviors. The left is preoccupied with telling blacks that YOU NEED NOT CHANGE, it is simply a matter of "whites raising better white children", as astonishingly stated on ABC primetime news last night.
This is the greatest disservice to any underachieving community -- insisting that their fate is held by external forces, that your behaviors are irrelevant.
a/k/a the racism of low expectations, which these tired old leftists can't acknowledge,
3 self-proclaimed members of the far-right 'boogaloo' movement were arrested on domestic terrorism charges for trying to spark violence during protests.
https://news.yahoo.com/3-self-proclaimed-members-far-020736009.html
Are these 3 idiots acting alone or are they part of a larger community hoping to repeat this stoking of violence throughout the country where protests are taking place.
Speaking of people who don't look like me, I love this guy. Come give me your informed, intellectually curious, centrist, and not hiding behind the gates to the compound take on him.
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/96002
You're right, Trump is responsible for the coronavirus, the resulting overreaction and unemployment, and your retort isn't the least bit pedantic. You are exactly what I needed to finally fall asleep. Thank you, my friend.BearNIt said:If your going to use this guy to prove a point at least have him get the information right. Economists polled by Refinitiv expect the US economy to shed another 8 million jobs in May, bringing the tally of jobs lost during the coronavirus pandemic to 28.5 million -- more than three times the number of jobs lost during the 2008 financial crisis.BancroftBear93 said:Fine. You're also a boring blowhard with nothing to add except an ad hominem attack and some lame attempt at distraction. So a tired old leftist in spirit.BearNIt said:Neither tired, old, or leftist but rather informed, intellectually curious, centrist, and not hiding behind the gates to the compound. You should really get out more and talk to people who don't look like you, you might learn a few things.BancroftBear93 said:^ tired old leftistBearNIt said:Spoken like someone who has no friends who are people of color and disregards U.S. history.. Just freaking stunning the both of you.BancroftBear93 said:GBear4Life said:We know that blacks won't improve outcomes out of their community without changing behaviors, which require a change in attitude and perspective, which in the aggregate will lead to a different culture. Patrick Moynihan knew it 50 years ago, and we know this is the case with every community.BearForce2 said:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/06/george-floyd-protests-riots-will-leave-lasting-damage-wont-bring-racial-equality/
The "equality" trope the left cites is a boogeyman by design -- because it allows isolated incidents to be broadcast as representative of society at large, making the oppression trope an unkillable omnipresent monster.
It also steers attention and priorities away from behaviors. The left is preoccupied with telling blacks that YOU NEED NOT CHANGE, it is simply a matter of "whites raising better white children", as astonishingly stated on ABC primetime news last night.
This is the greatest disservice to any underachieving community -- insisting that their fate is held by external forces, that your behaviors are irrelevant.
a/k/a the racism of low expectations, which these tired old leftists can't acknowledge,
3 self-proclaimed members of the far-right 'boogaloo' movement were arrested on domestic terrorism charges for trying to spark violence during protests.
https://news.yahoo.com/3-self-proclaimed-members-far-020736009.html
Are these 3 idiots acting alone or are they part of a larger community hoping to repeat this stoking of violence throughout the country where protests are taking place.
Speaking of people who don't look like me, I love this guy. Come give me your informed, intellectually curious, centrist, and not hiding behind the gates to the compound take on him.
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/96002
That would push the unemployment rate to nearly 20%, a record high. The Bureau of Labor Statistics, which is set to release its jobs report at 8:30 am ET Friday, began tracking monthly data in 1948. If this is your guy then good luck you can always invite him over and discuss the U.S. financial picture, I bet he would have some innovative ideas.