till further notice deceived covid scoffing red hats (and the horse they rode in on) own the epidemic.Big C said:
To what do the experts attribute this insane level of community spread? I look around and everybody's wearing a mask. Schools have been closed. Restaurants are closed.
Family and/or friends gathering? People do seem to be suffering from COVID fatigue. People hear "stay at home" and it's like "oh, we're tired of that..."
I don't think it is any mystery, Big C.Big C said:
To what do the experts attribute California's insane level of community spread lately? I look around and everybody's wearing a mask. Schools have been closed. Restaurants are closed.
Family and/or friends gathering? People do seem to be suffering from COVID fatigue. People hear "stay at home" and it's like "oh, we're tired of that..."
OaktownBear said:I don't think it is any mystery, Big C.Big C said:
To what do the experts attribute California's insane level of community spread lately? I look around and everybody's wearing a mask. Schools have been closed. Restaurants are closed.
Family and/or friends gathering? People do seem to be suffering from COVID fatigue. People hear "stay at home" and it's like "oh, we're tired of that..."
First of all, you have to divide California into at least 2. The situation in Northern California is much different from Southern California.
That doesn't mean rates in Northern California haven't risen significantly. They have. However, they started low. (If you start from 2 deaths a day instead of 50, it is much easier to have your rate skyrocket) That said, the Bay Area is probably in for the worst it has had in the coming weeks. Case rates went way up. Hospitalization rates went way up and continue. Deaths will follow. That said, new case rates seem to be slowing. Hopefully that continues. Unfortunately, when the case rates go up, the hospitalizations and deaths will follow, so we are going to have to pay the price for our lapse.
And speaking to that, masks are great and need to be worn. But the Bay Area has always been wearing the masks. So when we let our guards down on other preventative measures, transmission rates will climb. Yes, restaurants and schools are closed, but what else are people doing.
My personal observation. There was clear mentality of "screw it" leading up to Thanksgiving. I live on a high traffic street. The traffic was way up in the week to 10 days leading to Thanksgiving. I think it is clear that many people (including our politicians) basically did a calculation that they were going to do something on Thanksgiving, and not only did they do that, but it lead to other behavior as well. There was a clear sense that people were done. I went on a drive on the Sunday after Thanksgiving and the East Bay Regional Parks were packed like any holiday weekend. Also, if people are celebrating Thanksgiving, they have to prep for it. Stores were crowded, whether with individuals or instacart shoppers. And when people look at their Thanksgiving gathering as low risk, they are probably right. Problem is, if you have a 100K gatherings and 1% have someone with Covid show up, that is 1000 spreader events. That is what health officials were trying to prevent. And this kind of goes with everything. When people talk about some behaviors being lower risk, that is true, but they aren't riskless. So if we engage in those behaviors in a much higher rate, we increase transmission.
Cloth masks aren't going to make up for all of that. (Personally, I don't know why everyone isn't buying readily available kn95 masks that are far safer, at least for higher risk behavior). Cloth masks are one tool in a whole tool box. If you don't use all of the tools, things will get worse.
The good news in my personal observation is that after the state announced new closures, it became a ghost town around my house. I think people wised up pretty quickly. But the genie is out of the bottle. We will face the downstream effects for a while.
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It first surfaced in September in Britain, but already accounts for more than 60 percent of new cases in London and neighboring areas...
Scientists initially estimated that the new variant was 70 percent more transmissible, but a recent modeling study pegged that number at 56 percent. Once researchers sift through all the data, it's possible that the variant will turn out to be just 10 to 20 percent more transmissible, said Trevor Bedford, an evolutionary biologist at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle. Even so, Dr. Bedford said, it is likely to catch on rapidly and become the predominant form in the United States by March...
Some preliminary evidence from Britain suggests that people infected with the new variant tend to carry greater amounts of the virus in their noses and throats than those infected with previous versions... [T]he finding does offer one possible explanation for why the new variant spreads more easily. The more virus that infected people harbor in their noses and throats, the more they expel into the air and onto surfaces when they breathe, talk, sing, cough or sneeze.
B.A. Bearacus said:
More thinking on one vs two doses given the factors at play right now...
I don't know the answer because it basically comes down to odds and there are more factors at play than are obvious in impacting those odds. However, I'm not sure people are understanding the percent protected calculation correctly. I fully admit I might not understand it either so this could be totally wrong, but my understanding is that with 80% coverage instead of 95% coverage, 4 times the number of vaccinated people will get sick. So the question is how many would get sick in the vaccinated population in each case and how many will get sick in the unvaccinated population that would have gotten 1 dose if we gave everyone one dose. And of course how sick will they get. If the 80% has a higher rate of getting sick, but no one got extremely sick, that is a different calculation and obviously everyone should get a dose before the second doses are administered.B.A. Bearacus said:
More thinking on one vs two doses given the factors at play right now...
Big C said:
At this point, we need less thinking and analyzing about the vaccines and more actual VACCINATING. Get some huge vaccination centers. Have two lines. One for anybody with any "priority" standing. The other for anybody on "stand by" who just really wants to get stuck (that's where I'll be). Let the lines converge with two people from the first line and one from the second. If the first line gets short, go one and one. Get that s*** into people's arms, ASAP!
It's gonna get worse.B.A. Bearacus said:
Checking in on the new American exceptionalism.
B.A. Bearacus said:
hijacking is immoral, obviously, right (tic) BigC? that said this fool won't say no to a third dose after everybody else has their second.Big C said:
And when we are out of doses, we should go hijack some of Europe's supply.