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In reply to BearForce2 • 7:57p, 7/31/21
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As for the president....



As for the governor of California


Serious question since you owned yourself by posting the Marco Rubio tweet.

If the Philippines requires everybody getting off Lloyd Austin's plane to wear a face mask and shield, should Lloyd Austin have said "*****off" even though he was negotiating a renewal of their defense agreement?









I guess Austin did a good job, right?

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In reply to BearForce2 • 8:02p, 7/31/21
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Another serious question: Do you feel like a moron for tweeting a tweet from Marco Rubio who -- despite sitting on on the senate foreign relations committee -- thinks the Philippines, Vietnam and Singapore are the same country.



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9:18p, 7/31/21
Rubio, like tRump, has a drinking problem.




The way they windmill slam water, they could be Cal basketball coaches.


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In reply to okaydo • 10:16p, 7/31/21

Marco Rubio will be the first to admit that he is not an Asia specialist, but he can sure tell the difference between a Mexican American and a Cuban American.
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In reply to Big C • 10:47p, 7/31/21
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Marco Rubio will be the first to admit that he is not an Asia specialist, but he can sure tell the difference between a Mexican American and a Cuban American.

What about a Spanish-Cuban-American-Canadian-American?

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In reply to bearister • 12:35p, 8/1/21
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10 or so days ago there was 17 Covid hospitalizations in Contra Costa County. This morning, 39. Something up.


Above post was 7/10. Today 83 in CCC hospitals.


117 as of this morning.







128 in CCC hospitals today.


137 this morning.
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In reply to bearister • 2:34p, 8/1/21
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10 or so days ago there was 17 Covid hospitalizations in Contra Costa County. This morning, 39. Something up.


Above post was 7/10. Today 83 in CCC hospitals.


117 as of this morning.







128 in CCC hospitals today.


137 this morning.

Guessing Game: How many of those 137 are from the Lamorinda area?

I'll start: 3 (and if I had to take an over/under on that, I'd take the under)
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In reply to Big C • 3:46p, 8/1/21
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10 or so days ago there was 17 Covid hospitalizations in Contra Costa County. This morning, 39. Something up.


Above post was 7/10. Today 83 in CCC hospitals.


117 as of this morning.







128 in CCC hospitals today.


137 this morning.

Guessing Game: How many of those 137 are from the Lamorinda area?

I'll start: 3 (and if I had to take an over/under on that, I'd take the under)


The Delta is in the Delta region, and bad.
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10:46a, 8/4/21
Granny didn't die of no God damned commie disease!

"Macon County Coroner Brian Hayes handles the death certificates for this cattle, corn and soybean region of 15,000 in north-central Missouri, near Kirksville roughly 130 to 140 deaths each year. That includes certifying the deaths of the few dozen residents who have succumbed to the coronavirus.

And in some cases, it has meant excluding COVID-19 from death certificates.

COVID-19 is as much a political issue as a personal tragedy for some families. They don't want the virus on any official record for their dead loved one."

Read more here: https://www.kansascity.com/news/coronavirus/article253147128.html#storylink=cpy
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In reply to okaydo • 6:34p, 8/4/21

Is that story for real, Okaydo? (I know you are capable of performing "wonders" with social media.)

That is soooooo sad... that they were able to reproduce before they got COVID.
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In reply to Big C • 6:39p, 8/4/21
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Is that story for real, Okaydo? (I know you are capable of performing "wonders" with social media.)

That is soooooo sad... that they were able to reproduce before they got COVID.

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In reply to okaydo • 6:48p, 8/4/21
Further culling the herd.
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In reply to bearister • 9:44p, 8/11/21
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bearister said:
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bearister said:
10 or so days ago there was 17 Covid hospitalizations in Contra Costa County. This morning, 39. Something up.


Above post was 7/10. Today 83 in CCC hospitals.


117 as of this morning.







128 in CCC hospitals today.


137 this morning.


188 today
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7:14a, 8/12/21
Scores of police officers are refusing the COVID vaccine - Axios


https://www.axios.com/scores-of-police-officers-are-refusing-the-covid-vaccine-84acf99d-4602-40c9-bf94-4e10058df4dd.html
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In reply to bearister • 8:25a, 8/12/21
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Scores of police officers are refusing the COVID vaccine - Axios
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In reply to bearister • 9:07a, 8/12/21
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Scores of police officers are refusing the COVID vaccine - Axios


https://www.axios.com/scores-of-police-officers-are-refusing-the-covid-vaccine-84acf99d-4602-40c9-bf94-4e10058df4dd.html


I wouldn't be too critical because people tend to stay firm when cornered and attacked. Many people have gotten covid with little symptoms. It is tough when you have the following messaging:

1) Side effects mean the vaccine is working (while other vaccines don't have near the side effect profile)

2) Breakthrough infections prove mRNA vaccines work.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/12/health/breakthrough-infection-covid-vaccine-misleading/index.html

3) and now,

https://freewestmedia.com/2021/08/03/german-chief-pathologist-sounds-alarm-on-fatal-vaccine-injuries/

It just seems like a lot of spin driven by public policy, albeit well-intentioned public policy.
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3:05p, 8/12/21
Delta Has Changed the Pandemic Endgame - The Atlantic


https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/08/delta-has-changed-pandemic-endgame/619726/
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In reply to bearister • 3:07p, 8/12/21
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Delta Has Changed the Pandemic Endgame - The Atlantic


https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/08/delta-has-changed-pandemic-endgame/619726/

The changing science.

The difference between a right wing conspiracy and the truth is about 20 months.
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In reply to BearForce2 • 8:31p, 8/12/21
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bearister said:
Delta Has Changed the Pandemic Endgame - The Atlantic


https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/08/delta-has-changed-pandemic-endgame/619726/

The changing science.



Just take precautions!

I have seen so many seniors running around without masks and engaging in stupid activities like indoor dining just because they have been vaccinated and now they feel invincible.

Wear masks, avoid crowds, don't engage in non-essential public activities - vaccine or no vaccine.

I was near the local Laemmle theater the other day and most of the people buying ticket for the movies were gray hairs.

I really don't know what to say other than everyone - EVERYONE - vaccinated or not - should be a lot more cautious. However, that is apparently too much to ask.

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9:08p, 8/12/21
Don't worry they are all doing their own research so what could go wrong?
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10:01p, 8/12/21
A good read. Gives perspective on public policy versus science.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/08/breakthrough-covid-19-cases-may-be-a-bigger-problem.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab&utm_content=algorithm
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In reply to dimitrig • 10:33p, 8/12/21
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BearForce2 said:
bearister said:
Delta Has Changed the Pandemic Endgame - The Atlantic


https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/08/delta-has-changed-pandemic-endgame/619726/

The changing science.



Just take precautions!

I have seen so many seniors running around without masks and engaging in stupid activities like indoor dining just because they have been vaccinated and now they feel invincible.

Wear masks, avoid crowds, don't engage in non-essential public activities - vaccine or no vaccine.

I was near the local Laemmle theater the other day and most of the people buying ticket for the movies were gray hairs.

I really don't know what to say other than everyone - EVERYONE - vaccinated or not - should be a lot more cautious. However, that is apparently too much to ask.


Honest question, because I go back and forth on this: Let's say you are a healthy 70 yr old, with no other underlying conditions, save for your age, and you are fully vaccinated for COVID. Just for self-protection, do you really need to take other precautions? Isn't it, in this case, now like the flu?

(Not "asking for a friend" as I am younger, though I hope to reach that age and beyond.)
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In reply to Big C • 10:43p, 8/12/21
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Honest question, because I go back and forth on this: Let's say you are a healthy 70 yr old, with no other underlying conditions, save for your age, and you are fully vaccinated for COVID. Just for self-protection, do you really need to take other precautions? Isn't it, in this case, now like the flu?

(Not "asking for a friend" as I am younger, though I hope to reach that age and beyond.)

My opinion:

NO ONE KNOWS FOR SURE!

Certainly people who have been vaccinated have gotten very ill.

And if it is like the flu... do you really want to be the person spreading it around to everyone?

Just stay home as much as possible and mask up when you are out and about.

It's not that hard, really.

In the last two days I went out to eat lunch at a pizza place and a Mexican place.

I sat outside on the patio. I was the only person out there because of the heat, which wasn't really that bad in the shade.

Inside, there were easily a dozen+ people not only eating but lingering, laughing, talking... all without masks.

I don't know what to say except I know which situation is higher risk and which one is lower risk.

Edit: I also want to add that when another couple decided to sit outside nearby I left rather than be anywhere near them.




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In reply to dimitrig • 11:16p, 8/12/21
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Big C said:


Honest question, because I go back and forth on this: Let's say you are a healthy 70 yr old, with no other underlying conditions, save for your age, and you are fully vaccinated for COVID. Just for self-protection, do you really need to take other precautions? Isn't it, in this case, now like the flu?

(Not "asking for a friend" as I am younger, though I hope to reach that age and beyond.)

My opinion:

NO ONE KNOWS FOR SURE!

Certainly people who have been vaccinated have gotten very ill.

And if it is like the flu... do you really want to be the person spreading it around to everyone?

Just stay home as much as possible and mask up when you are out and about.

It's not that hard, really.

In the last two days I went out to eat lunch at a pizza place and a Mexican place.

I sat outside on the patio. I was the only person out there because of the heat, which wasn't really that bad in the shade.

Inside, there were easily a dozen+ people not only eating but lingering, laughing, talking... all without masks.

I don't know what to say except I know which situation is higher risk and which one is lower risk.

Edit: I also want to add that when another couple decided to sit outside nearby I left rather than be anywhere near them.





Big assumption, but let's assume that everyone inside was vaccinated. How are they in danger? Explain this to me again. (I am totally in favor of vaccine mandates, btw.)

And you (i presume you are vaccinated) didn't want to dine next to another couple... OUTSIDE?!?

My understanding is that the effective vaccines have changed the game and that the only problem is that too many people refuse them. Yes, there are the "breakthrough cases" and a handful of these have resulted in hospitalizations and even death, but this is a small, small percentage and they have mostly all had multiple underlying conditions.

Maybe we should all wear body armor and race car helmets when we drive to these restaurants, because that is a risk, too.
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In reply to Big C • 11:28p, 8/12/21
Big C said:
dimitrig said:
Big C said:


Honest question, because I go back and forth on this: Let's say you are a healthy 70 yr old, with no other underlying conditions, save for your age, and you are fully vaccinated for COVID. Just for self-protection, do you really need to take other precautions? Isn't it, in this case, now like the flu?

(Not "asking for a friend" as I am younger, though I hope to reach that age and beyond.)

My opinion:

NO ONE KNOWS FOR SURE!

Certainly people who have been vaccinated have gotten very ill.

And if it is like the flu... do you really want to be the person spreading it around to everyone?

Just stay home as much as possible and mask up when you are out and about.

It's not that hard, really.

In the last two days I went out to eat lunch at a pizza place and a Mexican place.

I sat outside on the patio. I was the only person out there because of the heat, which wasn't really that bad in the shade.

Inside, there were easily a dozen+ people not only eating but lingering, laughing, talking... all without masks.

I don't know what to say except I know which situation is higher risk and which one is lower risk.

Edit: I also want to add that when another couple decided to sit outside nearby I left rather than be anywhere near them.





Big assumption, but let's assume that everyone inside was vaccinated. How are they in danger? Explain this to me again. (I am totally in favor of vaccine mandates, btw.)

And you (i presume you are vaccinated) didn't want to dine next to another couple... OUTSIDE?!?

My understanding is that the effective vaccines have changed the game and that the only problem is that CODItoo many people refuse them. Yes, there are the "breakthrough cases" and a handful of these have resulted in hospitalizations and even death, but this is a small, small percentage and they have mostly all had multiple underlying conditions.

Maybe we should all wear body armor and race car helmets when we drive to these restaurants, because that is a risk, too.

Being vaccinated isn't a pass to be completely and totally stupid.

Why would you assume everyone inside was vaccinated?

Even if they were, for sake of argument, people who are vaccinated are still contracting COVID.

Is it really THAT IMPORTANT to sit inside and linger and chat after a meal?

I guess some people think so.

When there's a pandemic going on I disagree.

As long as people think that the risk is small then they will act like it. However, the stats aren't bearing that out.


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In reply to Big C • 5:58a, 8/13/21
Big C said:
dimitrig said:
Big C said:


Honest question, because I go back and forth on this: Let's say you are a healthy 70 yr old, with no other underlying conditions, save for your age, and you are fully vaccinated for COVID. Just for self-protection, do you really need to take other precautions? Isn't it, in this case, now like the flu?

(Not "asking for a friend" as I am younger, though I hope to reach that age and beyond.)

My opinion:

NO ONE KNOWS FOR SURE!

Certainly people who have been vaccinated have gotten very ill.

And if it is like the flu... do you really want to be the person spreading it around to everyone?

Just stay home as much as possible and mask up when you are out and about.

It's not that hard, really.

In the last two days I went out to eat lunch at a pizza place and a Mexican place.

I sat outside on the patio. I was the only person out there because of the heat, which wasn't really that bad in the shade.

Inside, there were easily a dozen+ people not only eating but lingering, laughing, talking... all without masks.

I don't know what to say except I know which situation is higher risk and which one is lower risk.

Edit: I also want to add that when another couple decided to sit outside nearby I left rather than be anywhere near them.





Big assumption, but let's assume that everyone inside was vaccinated. How are they in danger? Explain this to me again. (I am totally in favor of vaccine mandates, btw.)

And you (i presume you are vaccinated) didn't want to dine next to another couple... OUTSIDE?!?

My understanding is that the effective vaccines have changed the game and that the only problem is that too many people refuse them. Yes, there are the "breakthrough cases" and a handful of these have resulted in hospitalizations and even death, but this is a small, small percentage and they have mostly all had multiple underlying conditions.

Maybe we should all wear body armor and race car helmets when we drive to these restaurants, because that is a risk, too.


Here is some accurate info on the vaccines. For public policy reasons, their effectiveness has been overstated. They still protect but there is a reason masks should be worn inside again. Personally, I feel okay eating outside around others as long as the people at my table are in my inner circle or vaccinated.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/08/breakthrough-covid-19-cases-may-be-a-bigger-problem.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab&utm_content=algorithm
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In reply to Big C • 6:40a, 8/13/21
Big C said:
dimitrig said:
Big C said:


Honest question, because I go back and forth on this: Let's say you are a healthy 70 yr old, with no other underlying conditions, save for your age, and you are fully vaccinated for COVID. Just for self-protection, do you really need to take other precautions? Isn't it, in this case, now like the flu?

(Not "asking for a friend" as I am younger, though I hope to reach that age and beyond.)

My opinion:

NO ONE KNOWS FOR SURE!

Certainly people who have been vaccinated have gotten very ill.

And if it is like the flu... do you really want to be the person spreading it around to everyone?

Just stay home as much as possible and mask up when you are out and about.

It's not that hard, really.

In the last two days I went out to eat lunch at a pizza place and a Mexican place.

I sat outside on the patio. I was the only person out there because of the heat, which wasn't really that bad in the shade.

Inside, there were easily a dozen+ people not only eating but lingering, laughing, talking... all without masks.

I don't know what to say except I know which situation is higher risk and which one is lower risk.

Edit: I also want to add that when another couple decided to sit outside nearby I left rather than be anywhere near them.





Big assumption, but let's assume that everyone inside was vaccinated. How are they in danger? Explain this to me again. (I am totally in favor of vaccine mandates, btw.)

And you (i presume you are vaccinated) didn't want to dine next to another couple... OUTSIDE?!?

My understanding is that the effective vaccines have changed the game and that the only problem is that too many people refuse them. Yes, there are the "breakthrough cases" and a handful of these have resulted in hospitalizations and even death, but this is a small, small percentage and they have mostly all had multiple underlying conditions.

Maybe we should all wear body armor and race car helmets when we drive to these restaurants, because that is a risk, too.

dimitrig is not fully vaccinated. He's had one shot.

If you're fully vaccinated you should be fine to live your life with minor precautions.
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10:31a, 8/13/21
Borders are back - Axios


https://www.axios.com/borders-interational-travel-pandemic-00f61988-4e0b-4089-bf88-755935491b79.html



Businesses wait to issue full vaccine mandates - Axios


https://www.axios.com/vaccine-mandates-exacerbate-class-divide-97a9fa4a-d273-48a7-ba79-934a322b9cfb.html
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In reply to sycasey • 11:49a, 8/13/21
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dimitrig is not fully vaccinated. He's had one shot.

If you're fully vaccinated you should be fine to live your life with minor precautions.

I think you (and a lot of other people, too, to be fair) are overconfident in the protections that the vaccine affords you.



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In reply to dimitrig • 11:50a, 8/13/21
dimitrig said:
sycasey said:


dimitrig is not fully vaccinated. He's had one shot.

If you're fully vaccinated you should be fine to live your life with minor precautions.

I think you (and a lot of other people, too, to be fair) are overconfident in the protections that the vaccine affords you.
What protections do you think I think it gives me?

Also, have you gotten your second shot yet?
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In reply to sycasey • 12:11p, 8/13/21
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dimitrig said:
sycasey said:


dimitrig is not fully vaccinated. He's had one shot.

If you're fully vaccinated you should be fine to live your life with minor precautions.

I think you (and a lot of other people, too, to be fair) are overconfident in the protections that the vaccine affords you.
What protections do you think I think it gives me?

Also, have you gotten your second shot yet?

The vaccine does a very good job of preventing you from dying of COVID.

The number of breakthrough cases that result in death is very, very low. It is important to note that it is NOT zero.

However, if the goal is to not be infected by and transmit COVID then the vaccines aren't very effective at that.

There are plenty of breakthrough cases that have gotten people sick and even landed them in the hospital.

When I tell people this they are usually very surprised to hear that.

A lot of people who got vaccinated are running on the assumption that they are protected and they behaving as if the pandemic is over, but we're not there yet.

The long-term efficacy of the vaccines seems to be waning, which is not that surprising when one looks at the effectiveness of the influenza vaccines.

At the same time, new variants are emerging.

I think it makes a lot of sense to be vaccinated. Dying is bad. However, being vaccinated doesn't mean that one should just return to life as normal just yet.

Do your own risk calculation based on what you observe people doing. For me, I assume every person I come across is infected with COVID and act appropriately.






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In reply to dimitrig • 12:55p, 8/13/21
dimitrig said:
sycasey said:
dimitrig said:
sycasey said:


dimitrig is not fully vaccinated. He's had one shot.

If you're fully vaccinated you should be fine to live your life with minor precautions.

I think you (and a lot of other people, too, to be fair) are overconfident in the protections that the vaccine affords you.
What protections do you think I think it gives me?

Also, have you gotten your second shot yet?

There are plenty of breakthrough cases that have gotten people sick and even landed them in the hospital.
You sure about that boss?

According to the CDC, around 2,000 fully vaccinated individuals under the age of 65 have been hospitalized with COVID. We don't have the exact breakout, but around 20-25% of all breakthrough hospitalizations/deaths (including 65+ crowd) are for asymptomatic cases or are considered unrelated to COVID. So perhaps 1500-1700 total cases thus far of fully vaccinated Americans under 65 who have had serious cases of COVID.

Is it a lot in the abstract? Or in a relative sense?

According to the CDC, about 75% of the 167 million fully vaccinated Americans are under 65, or about 125 million. So we are talking about 1 to 1.5 out of every 100k fully vaccinated Americans under 65 having been hospitalized for COVID.

Right now we are averaging 10k new hospital admissions every day. Almost all of those are for non-vaccinated Americans. So to put things in perspective, around half the country is vaccinated and EVERY SINGLE DAY five times as many unvaccinated Americans are being admitted to the hospital for COVID as have all vaccinated Americans combined over the past several months since we started vaccinating people. That seems like a pretty strong endorsement for vaccination.
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