More rumors: B1G to expand this week (Pac 12 to bust)

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Anarchistbear said:

Oregon and Washington are 1 and 2 in athletic revenue in the conference. The incessant harping on size of media markets ignores the essential reality: these are successful programs with loyal fan bases that generate cash. Cash rules not academic reputation or size of media markets as witness the whiz kids from Eugene

Cal 's football and basketball programs are not great money makers, have an apathetic administration plus we are saddled with paying for too many country club sports. This brings too little.



We need to outsource the revenue sports to an alumni run private not for profit with professional sports management experience. The non-revenue sports should go to the UC dominated Big West.
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calumnus said:

DoubtfulBear said:

calumnus said:

DoubtfulBear said:

calumnus said:

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Fire Starkey said:

Once this ball started rolling, I never thought the Big10 would take more than Oregon and Washington initially. They can get them for a 60ish% share (which looks like it is happening). Then they can stand pat or wait a bit and get Cal and Furd for a 30-40ish% share. It's basic leverage and negotiations and there absolutely is value in Cal and Furd in the Big10 but why wouldnt they get us as cheaply as possible? I really hope this happens cause the alternative is bleak for Cal athletics otherwise

I still feel like this is the most likely scenario. The B1G presidents have been pretty public about wanting Stanford/Cal. Just gotta make the money work.


Yes, but Stanford and Cal have not been public about wanting the B1G. It has been the opposite, they have criticized expansion and pledged loyalty to a doomed PAC. I never questioned Christ's ability. I questioned her decision. .People here assured us that Christ was doing everything possible to get us in, even secretly negotiating a secret deal. I think it is clear that did not happen and we have rode the Kliavkoff plane to its fiery end.

So now the PAC is done, Christ will have no choice but to try to get us in too. The good news is the B1G presidents want us and Christ is smart, competent and can get this deal done. I think we get in the B1G in the coming weeks. The bad news is the strategic path she has chosen has left us with zero leverage and we will get a much lower payout than we might have otherwise. But it is only money. One more bad fiscal move for our athletics department. It will be up to the next chancellor to decide how to handle the deficits or big donors to cover them. I think sending most non-revenue sports to the UC dominated Big West makes a ton of sense.
Fox/CBS/NBC has no incentive to pay extra for us so the existing members will have to be willing to get less to pay for us. The only way I see this happening is if we get G5 level money at $5M a year at best
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The B1G will have more content and will have more revenues, even if just streaming. $5 million is our floor. I think we get $20 million or so, something like what we were about to sign for at the PAC-2 meeting this morning. Maybe the B1G plays hardball and we only get $10 million, but I think B1G goodwill/pity and Christ's charisma gets us whatever amount we add without dilution. Plus maybe a loan.
They don't need more content, there's only so many timeslots for Saturday afternoon/evening. High value brands separating from low value brands is literally the only driver for conference realignment


Streaming is not slot driven. There will be revenues from it. Not huge revenues, but revenues.

As for linear broadcasters: 6 WC teams means three games each week on the West Coast. 12:30, 3:30 and 6:30 PST (say). That is 3:30, 6:30 and 9:30 EST. There is value to that.




1. Very few people will pay to stream for sports that is not live
2. The time slots you mentioned (linear or livestream) will already be reserved for the top matchups every week. The value of Cal vs Rutgers is extremely low
3. Even with all their value, Oregon and Washington only got a $30M contract. If we were offered, it would be 10% of theirs, if that.
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Anarchistbear said:

Cal 's football and basketball programs are not great money makers, have an apathetic administration plus we are saddled with paying for too many country club sports. This brings too little.
More accurately: An apathetic donor base. Oregon has Phil Knight, Pat Kilkenny, and other big donors who have poured tons of money into the athletic department and not solely into an academic building with their name on it.

Oregon also has the unbeatable advantage of being the premier football franchise in their state. They don't have local sports media whose football coverage is 99% NFL.
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DoubtfulBear said:

calumnus said:

DoubtfulBear said:

calumnus said:

DoubtfulBear said:

calumnus said:

sycasey said:

Fire Starkey said:

Once this ball started rolling, I never thought the Big10 would take more than Oregon and Washington initially. They can get them for a 60ish% share (which looks like it is happening). Then they can stand pat or wait a bit and get Cal and Furd for a 30-40ish% share. It's basic leverage and negotiations and there absolutely is value in Cal and Furd in the Big10 but why wouldnt they get us as cheaply as possible? I really hope this happens cause the alternative is bleak for Cal athletics otherwise

I still feel like this is the most likely scenario. The B1G presidents have been pretty public about wanting Stanford/Cal. Just gotta make the money work.


Yes, but Stanford and Cal have not been public about wanting the B1G. It has been the opposite, they have criticized expansion and pledged loyalty to a doomed PAC. I never questioned Christ's ability. I questioned her decision. .People here assured us that Christ was doing everything possible to get us in, even secretly negotiating a secret deal. I think it is clear that did not happen and we have rode the Kliavkoff plane to its fiery end.

So now the PAC is done, Christ will have no choice but to try to get us in too. The good news is the B1G presidents want us and Christ is smart, competent and can get this deal done. I think we get in the B1G in the coming weeks. The bad news is the strategic path she has chosen has left us with zero leverage and we will get a much lower payout than we might have otherwise. But it is only money. One more bad fiscal move for our athletics department. It will be up to the next chancellor to decide how to handle the deficits or big donors to cover them. I think sending most non-revenue sports to the UC dominated Big West makes a ton of sense.
Fox/CBS/NBC has no incentive to pay extra for us so the existing members will have to be willing to get less to pay for us. The only way I see this happening is if we get G5 level money at $5M a year at best
.

The B1G will have more content and will have more revenues, even if just streaming. $5 million is our floor. I think we get $20 million or so, something like what we were about to sign for at the PAC-2 meeting this morning. Maybe the B1G plays hardball and we only get $10 million, but I think B1G goodwill/pity and Christ's charisma gets us whatever amount we add without dilution. Plus maybe a loan.
They don't need more content, there's only so many timeslots for Saturday afternoon/evening. High value brands separating from low value brands is literally the only driver for conference realignment


Streaming is not slot driven. There will be revenues from it. Not huge revenues, but revenues.

As for linear broadcasters: 6 WC teams means three games each week on the West Coast. 12:30, 3:30 and 6:30 PST (say). That is 3:30, 6:30 and 9:30 EST. There is value to that.




1. Very few people will pay to stream for sports that is not live
2. The time slots you mentioned (linear or livestream) will already be reserved for the top matchups every week. The value of Cal vs Rutgers is extremely low
3. Even with all their value, Oregon and Washington only got a $30M contract. If we were offered, it would be 10% of theirs, if that.


1. Streaming would be live. For Cal, it will be mostly Cal fans and opponents watching away games that are not broadcast. Apple was willing to pay us $20 million(?) for that.
2. With 6 WC teams there is only one B1G matchup on the WC possible in each of those time slots. Only the 12:30 PST slot has a lot of competition. We would either play them at 12:30 and enjoy a great afternoon in Memorial, or we would play them on a national broadcast at 6:30. Either sounds good to me.
3. So you have $3 million or less in the pool? I'll take the over on that. My guess is $20 million but I would not be shocked if we get low balled and tgst is $10 million plus a loan on future earnings.
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great breakdown of what happened and what's next by Larry Beil

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nikeykid said:

great breakdown of what happened and what's next by Larry Beil



No lies detected!
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nikeykid said:

great breakdown of what happened and what's next by Larry Beil




Thanks for sharing. He nailed it. And he's spot on for Stanford and Cal - they did this to themselves because they don't care.
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HKBear97! said:

nikeykid said:

great breakdown of what happened and what's next by Larry Beil




Thanks for sharing. He nailed it. And he's spot on for Stanford and Cal - they did this to themselves because they don't care.
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Unable to watch right now - what did they say will happen to Cal most likely?
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Larry Beil nailed it! We did it to ourselves.
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nikeykid said:

great breakdown of what happened and what's next by Larry Beil




It would have been nice if the woman didn't refer to us as Cal State.
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Golden One said:

Larry Beil nailed it! We did it to ourselves.
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For the record, I blame Scott and Kliavkoff for the collapse of the conference. I blame Knowlton for not getting us into another conference.
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golden sloth said:

For the record, I blame Scott and Kliavkoff for the collapse of the conference. I blame Knowlton for not getting us into another conference.


And it is on Christ for hiring an unqualified Knowlton and giving him an 8 year extension paying him $1.3 million while he lives, votes and pays taxes in Colorado Springs.
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And, I'd go even further, to more importantly state that it all ultimately rests upon us (alumni/fans) for tolerating, tacitly accepting what Cal football, over many years, decades, had become. So many heartfelt discussions here and previous iterations of this board of what was wrong, even former players pleading that we all collectively need to be more demanding of the administration. The slow train wreck continues, and sadly that word (continue) was used several times in yesterday's brief release…
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"We"?

The simple fact is that the "we" is tiny compared to other D1 programs. The peasants don't matter, the "ticket buyers" didn't, and the few big money donors pushed for the wrong changes, over and over.

The games are garbage because of tv. The timeout periods are garbage because of $. Games on tv are, not for me.
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Cal89 said:

And, I'd go even further, to more importantly state that it all ultimately rests upon us (alumni/fans) for tolerating, tacitly accepting what Cal football, over many years, decades, had become. So many heartfelt discussions here and previous iterations of this board of what was wrong, even former players pleading that we all collectively need to be more demanding of the administration. The slow train wreck continues, and sadly that word (continue) was used several times in yesterday's brief release…
If that helps with rationalization, I'm all for it. But, Cal was part of a prestigious conference which at one time had the biggest TV deal. You aren't saying you are letting them off the hook, and we can "what if" this all day long, but for me personally, I can't get past Larry Scott and his work over his tenure...I'm not sure about GK, and if he was doomed to fail, but he certainly didn't save it.
We are sitting here with Furd. 3 Rose Bowls and an Orange Bowl since 2010, and nothing but winning seasons up until the last few. Most of us would trade our first born for that, if somehow the Cal administration had been able to come up with that....but here they are, right with Cal. And as my first born pointed out to me, Furd is getting passed over (so far) despite being the clear leader in women's sports, when you measure how many of their programs were top 5 or top 10 over the last decade or so. Someone tell me again how the word "prestige" plays into any of this.
Ps: I know, most everyone will say Cal would have done more with that kind of football success, and again, if that works to help through these awful days, bring it on.)
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Cal89 said:

And, I'd go even further, to more importantly state that it all ultimately rests upon us (alumni/fans) for tolerating, tacitly accepting what Cal football, over many years, decades, had become. So many heartfelt discussions here and previous iterations of this board of what was wrong, even former players pleading that we all collectively need to be more demanding of the administration. The slow train wreck continues, and sadly that word (continue) was used several times in yesterday's brief release…
Agreed. Cal, alums/ fans included, never displayed the institutional will, grit, or guts to do what was/is needed to demand accountability and achieve consistent revenue sports success.

Instead, the same monied alums kept paying for the same bad decisions over and over again.

I was one of the few voices in the wilderness back in the day when the "insiders" kept trying to tweak reality because it's Cal.

Too bad.
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calumnus said:

golden sloth said:

For the record, I blame Scott and Kliavkoff for the collapse of the conference. I blame Knowlton for not getting us into another conference.

And it is on Christ for hiring an unqualified Knowlton and giving him an 8 year extension paying him $1.3 million while he lives, votes and pays taxes in Colorado Springs.
Guess where the Mountain West Conference offices are located. Go ahead, guess.
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BearSD said:

calumnus said:

golden sloth said:

For the record, I blame Scott and Kliavkoff for the collapse of the conference. I blame Knowlton for not getting us into another conference.

And it is on Christ for hiring an unqualified Knowlton and giving him an 8 year extension paying him $1.3 million while he lives, votes and pays taxes in Colorado Springs.
Guess where the Mountain West Conference offices are located. Go ahead, guess.
Ok, I think we need to sue this *******. This is unbelievable. All part of the freaking plan to move the office to home and keep collecting that 1.3 million?

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bearsandgiants said:

BearSD said:

calumnus said:

golden sloth said:

For the record, I blame Scott and Kliavkoff for the collapse of the conference. I blame Knowlton for not getting us into another conference.

And it is on Christ for hiring an unqualified Knowlton and giving him an 8 year extension paying him $1.3 million while he lives, votes and pays taxes in Colorado Springs.
Guess where the Mountain West Conference offices are located. Go ahead, guess.
Ok, I think we need to sue this *******. This is unbelievable. All part of the freaking plan to move the office to home and keep collecting that 1.3 million?


This is on the Chancellor. She was the one who extended him: AD for life.
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bearsandgiants said:

BearSD said:

calumnus said:

golden sloth said:

For the record, I blame Scott and Kliavkoff for the collapse of the conference. I blame Knowlton for not getting us into another conference.

And it is on Christ for hiring an unqualified Knowlton and giving him an 8 year extension paying him $1.3 million while he lives, votes and pays taxes in Colorado Springs.
Guess where the Mountain West Conference offices are located. Go ahead, guess.
Ok, I think we need to sue this *******. This is unbelievable. All part of the freaking plan to move the office to home and keep collecting that 1.3 million?




Manchurian Candidate?
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Might? The two programs are nowhere near comparable. UVA's cbb program kicks the crap out of Cal's cbb program.
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It made me laugh when I heard about the low viewership for Cal and Stanford bringing little to the table. I suppose Rutgers, Northwestern, and Maryland are TV giants. Greed rules all and once the TV money tops off, you'll see these little guys cut off from these mega deals and the big dogs asking for larger slices of the pie. We are watching a market's chaos in the presence of no governance.
But the end result will be that Cal will cut a lot of smaller sports. Cal Football will evolve and survive, I plan to enjoy this season of Cal football and will be there rooting for them against Auburn.
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BearoutEast67 said:

It made me laugh when I heard about the low viewership for Cal and Stanford bringing little to the table. I suppose Rutgers, Northwestern, and Maryland are TV giants. Greed rules all and once the TV money tops off, you'll see these little guys cut off from these mega deals and the big dogs asking for larger slices of the pie. We are watching a market's chaos in the presence of no governance.
But the end result will be that Cal will cut a lot of smaller sports. Cal Football will evolve and survive, I plan to enjoy this season of Cal football and will be there rooting for them against Auburn.

you are exactly right. As another poster has mentioned (can't find it) a few days ago, when does tOSU and Michigan and PSU start to ask themselves, why are we sharing our lucre equally with Rutgers? And 'Bama and Georgia will ask the same about Vandy?
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BearoutEast67 said:

It made me laugh when I heard about the low viewership for Cal and Stanford bringing little to the table. I suppose Rutgers, Northwestern, and Maryland are TV giants. Greed rules all and once the TV money tops off, you'll see these little guys cut off from these mega deals and the big dogs asking for larger slices of the pie. We are watching a market's chaos in the presence of no governance.
But the end result will be that Cal will cut a lot of smaller sports. Cal Football will evolve and survive, I plan to enjoy this season of Cal football and will be there rooting for them against Auburn.



PAC-12 network games are not included in the viewership numbers. It is BS. Especially with zero pro sports in the East Bay our potential is actually huge.
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calumnus said:

BearoutEast67 said:

It made me laugh when I heard about the low viewership for Cal and Stanford bringing little to the table. I suppose Rutgers, Northwestern, and Maryland are TV giants. Greed rules all and once the TV money tops off, you'll see these little guys cut off from these mega deals and the big dogs asking for larger slices of the pie. We are watching a market's chaos in the presence of no governance.
But the end result will be that Cal will cut a lot of smaller sports. Cal Football will evolve and survive, I plan to enjoy this season of Cal football and will be there rooting for them against Auburn.



PAC-12 network games are not included in the viewership numbers. It is BS. Especially with zero pro sports in the East Bay our potential is actually huge.
Don't you think that "potential" would have been recognized already?

also, the P12 network numbers. Who has them? What do they say? If they are good then why aren't they being touted? We can't say, "well, our viewership numbers are down because all our games were on the P12 network". Ok, fine. Then those numbers need to be released.
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calumnus said:

BearoutEast67 said:

It made me laugh when I heard about the low viewership for Cal and Stanford bringing little to the table. I suppose Rutgers, Northwestern, and Maryland are TV giants. Greed rules all and once the TV money tops off, you'll see these little guys cut off from these mega deals and the big dogs asking for larger slices of the pie. We are watching a market's chaos in the presence of no governance.
But the end result will be that Cal will cut a lot of smaller sports. Cal Football will evolve and survive, I plan to enjoy this season of Cal football and will be there rooting for them against Auburn.



PAC-12 network games are not included in the viewership numbers. It is BS. Especially with zero pro sports in the East Bay our potential is actually huge.
Perhaps, but that potential was what AAPL was accounting for in their show-me offer. If we put a product on the field worth watching, the folks in the BA would subscribe to Apple+ and everyone makes more money. But if we continue to be a bottom feeder who can't even qualify for the Tidy-Bowl, there are no more eyeballs and potential remains aspirational. (Unlike other areas of the country, spectator college sports are just not that important on the Left Coast.)
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Big Dog said:

calumnus said:

BearoutEast67 said:

It made me laugh when I heard about the low viewership for Cal and Stanford bringing little to the table. I suppose Rutgers, Northwestern, and Maryland are TV giants. Greed rules all and once the TV money tops off, you'll see these little guys cut off from these mega deals and the big dogs asking for larger slices of the pie. We are watching a market's chaos in the presence of no governance.
But the end result will be that Cal will cut a lot of smaller sports. Cal Football will evolve and survive, I plan to enjoy this season of Cal football and will be there rooting for them against Auburn.



PAC-12 network games are not included in the viewership numbers. It is BS. Especially with zero pro sports in the East Bay our potential is actually huge.
Perhaps, but that potential was what AAPL was accounting for in their show-me offer. If we put a product on the field worth watching, the folks in the BA would subscribe to Apple+ and everyone makes more money. But if we continue to be a bottom feeder who can't even qualify for the Tidy-Bowl, there are no more eyeballs and potential remains aspirational. (Unlike other areas of the country, spectator college sports are just not that important on the Left Coast.)


College sports are generally most popular in places where there are no pro sports. Oregon is not naturally more sports rabid than California, but the Bay Area had the 49ers and the Raiders for A LONG time. Portland does not have an NFL team. The Huskies developed their following long before Seattle got a team. When the Rams left LA, USC became the defacto team. San Diego State is now becoming San Diego's team.

The departure of the Raiders, A's and Warriors from the East Bay creates a huge vacuum. Unfortunately it coincides with the 7 worst years in Cal sports history in football and men's basketball (as measured in national computer rankings). People don't generally don't latch onto losing teams. That is entirely on Knowlton, both a horrible fit and the worst AD In the country and his mismanagement.

So no, our potential is dormant. With a good exciting product at Memorial and Haas featuring local stars well marketed to the public, we can very easily fill CMS and Haas. Terrible Raiders and Warriors teams filled the Coliseum and were rabid when good. The East Bay loves sports.

Moreover, Cal and Stanford alumni have the highest incomes of any school that plays D1 football. This is a valuable market for advertisers. However, even a lot of Cal fans do not see it. We just need to survive the next few years if we are ever going to prove it.
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calumnus said:

Big Dog said:

calumnus said:

BearoutEast67 said:

It made me laugh when I heard about the low viewership for Cal and Stanford bringing little to the table. I suppose Rutgers, Northwestern, and Maryland are TV giants. Greed rules all and once the TV money tops off, you'll see these little guys cut off from these mega deals and the big dogs asking for larger slices of the pie. We are watching a market's chaos in the presence of no governance.
But the end result will be that Cal will cut a lot of smaller sports. Cal Football will evolve and survive, I plan to enjoy this season of Cal football and will be there rooting for them against Auburn.



PAC-12 network games are not included in the viewership numbers. It is BS. Especially with zero pro sports in the East Bay our potential is actually huge.
Perhaps, but that potential was what AAPL was accounting for in their show-me offer. If we put a product on the field worth watching, the folks in the BA would subscribe to Apple+ and everyone makes more money. But if we continue to be a bottom feeder who can't even qualify for the Tidy-Bowl, there are no more eyeballs and potential remains aspirational. (Unlike other areas of the country, spectator college sports are just not that important on the Left Coast.)


College sports are generally most popular in places where there are no pro sports. Oregon is not naturally more sports rabid than California, but the Bay Area had the 49ers and the Raiders for A LONG time. Portland does not have an NFL team. The Huskies developed their following long before Seattle got a team. When the Rams left LA, USC became the defacto team. San Diego State is now becoming San Diego's team.

The departure of the Raiders, A's and Warriors from the East Bay creates a huge vacuum. Unfortunately it coincides with the 7 worst years in Cal sports history in football and men's basketball (as measured in national computer rankings). People don't generally don't latch onto losing teams. That is entirely on Knowlton, both a horrible fit and the worst AD In the country and his mismanagement.

So no, our potential is dormant. With a good exciting product at Memorial and Haas featuring local stars well marketed to the public, we can very easily fill CMS and Haas. Terrible Raiders and Warriors teams filled the Coliseum and were rabid when good. The East Bay loves sports.

Moreover, Cal and Stanford alumni have the highest incomes of any school that plays D1 football. This is a valuable market for advertisers. However, even a lot of Cal fans do not see it. We just need to survive the next few years if we are ever going to prove it.



There is zero evidence that SDSU is "becoming San Diego's team." As a San Diegan, I have to call out BS when I read it. I don't disagree with your other points.
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Chapman_is_Gone said:

calumnus said:

Big Dog said:

calumnus said:

BearoutEast67 said:

It made me laugh when I heard about the low viewership for Cal and Stanford bringing little to the table. I suppose Rutgers, Northwestern, and Maryland are TV giants. Greed rules all and once the TV money tops off, you'll see these little guys cut off from these mega deals and the big dogs asking for larger slices of the pie. We are watching a market's chaos in the presence of no governance.
But the end result will be that Cal will cut a lot of smaller sports. Cal Football will evolve and survive, I plan to enjoy this season of Cal football and will be there rooting for them against Auburn.



PAC-12 network games are not included in the viewership numbers. It is BS. Especially with zero pro sports in the East Bay our potential is actually huge.
Perhaps, but that potential was what AAPL was accounting for in their show-me offer. If we put a product on the field worth watching, the folks in the BA would subscribe to Apple+ and everyone makes more money. But if we continue to be a bottom feeder who can't even qualify for the Tidy-Bowl, there are no more eyeballs and potential remains aspirational. (Unlike other areas of the country, spectator college sports are just not that important on the Left Coast.)


College sports are generally most popular in places where there are no pro sports. Oregon is not naturally more sports rabid than California, but the Bay Area had the 49ers and the Raiders for A LONG time. Portland does not have an NFL team. The Huskies developed their following long before Seattle got a team. When the Rams left LA, USC became the defacto team. San Diego State is now becoming San Diego's team.

The departure of the Raiders, A's and Warriors from the East Bay creates a huge vacuum. Unfortunately it coincides with the 7 worst years in Cal sports history in football and men's basketball (as measured in national computer rankings). People don't generally don't latch onto losing teams. That is entirely on Knowlton, both a horrible fit and the worst AD In the country and his mismanagement.

So no, our potential is dormant. With a good exciting product at Memorial and Haas featuring local stars well marketed to the public, we can very easily fill CMS and Haas. Terrible Raiders and Warriors teams filled the Coliseum and were rabid when good. The East Bay loves sports.

Moreover, Cal and Stanford alumni have the highest incomes of any school that plays D1 football. This is a valuable market for advertisers. However, even a lot of Cal fans do not see it. We just need to survive the next few years if we are ever going to prove it.



There is zero evidence that SDSU is "becoming San Diego's team." As a San Diegan, I have to call out BS when I read it. I don't disagree with your other points.


Ok, I'll take your word for it. I was going off one example: my brother went to (and played basketball for) UCSD and has lived in San Diego for 37 years, but in the last year became a season ticket holder for Aztec football.
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Big Dog said:

BearoutEast67 said:

It made me laugh when I heard about the low viewership for Cal and Stanford bringing little to the table. I suppose Rutgers, Northwestern, and Maryland are TV giants. Greed rules all and once the TV money tops off, you'll see these little guys cut off from these mega deals and the big dogs asking for larger slices of the pie. We are watching a market's chaos in the presence of no governance.
But the end result will be that Cal will cut a lot of smaller sports. Cal Football will evolve and survive, I plan to enjoy this season of Cal football and will be there rooting for them against Auburn.

you are exactly right. As another poster has mentioned (can't find it) a few days ago, when does tOSU and Michigan and PSU start to ask themselves, why are we sharing our lucre equally with Rutgers? And 'Bama and Georgia will ask the same about Vandy?
I heard Yogi Roth yesterday on Sirius XM. He said there are discussions ongoing now about removing poor performing programs from conference affiliations. Won't happen til the next cycle of media deals but it is in discussion stage now.

But for now it appears that Cal my be a victim of this line of thinking. I think Cal still has a chance to get into the B1G, but will depend on how they react in the very short term in conjunction with the turmoil currently going on within the ACC. Cal will need to show value to the B1G, but really if the ACC collapses (probably unlikely this media cycle) then the B1G will have its picks of programs that actually care.

There is some hope that the negative press this realignment process is getting will pressure the networks and the B1G into extending Cal a lifeline.
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6956bear said:

Big Dog said:

BearoutEast67 said:

It made me laugh when I heard about the low viewership for Cal and Stanford bringing little to the table. I suppose Rutgers, Northwestern, and Maryland are TV giants. Greed rules all and once the TV money tops off, you'll see these little guys cut off from these mega deals and the big dogs asking for larger slices of the pie. We are watching a market's chaos in the presence of no governance.
But the end result will be that Cal will cut a lot of smaller sports. Cal Football will evolve and survive, I plan to enjoy this season of Cal football and will be there rooting for them against Auburn.

you are exactly right. As another poster has mentioned (can't find it) a few days ago, when does tOSU and Michigan and PSU start to ask themselves, why are we sharing our lucre equally with Rutgers? And 'Bama and Georgia will ask the same about Vandy?
I heard Yogi Roth yesterday on Sirius XM. He said there are discussions ongoing now about removing poor performing programs from conference affiliations. Won't happen til the next cycle of media deals but it is in discussion stage now.

But for now it appears that Cal my be a victim of this line of thinking. I think Cal still has a chance to get into the B1G, but will depend on how they react in the very short term in conjunction with the turmoil currently going on within the ACC. Cal will need to show value to the B1G, but really if the ACC collapses (probably unlikely this media cycle) then the B1G will have its picks of programs that actually care.

There is some hope that the negative press this realignment process is getting will pressure the networks and the B1G into extending Cal a lifeline.
Yogi Roth also predicted last week that the Pac-12 would stay together.
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BigDaddy said:

6956bear said:

Big Dog said:

BearoutEast67 said:

It made me laugh when I heard about the low viewership for Cal and Stanford bringing little to the table. I suppose Rutgers, Northwestern, and Maryland are TV giants. Greed rules all and once the TV money tops off, you'll see these little guys cut off from these mega deals and the big dogs asking for larger slices of the pie. We are watching a market's chaos in the presence of no governance.
But the end result will be that Cal will cut a lot of smaller sports. Cal Football will evolve and survive, I plan to enjoy this season of Cal football and will be there rooting for them against Auburn.

you are exactly right. As another poster has mentioned (can't find it) a few days ago, when does tOSU and Michigan and PSU start to ask themselves, why are we sharing our lucre equally with Rutgers? And 'Bama and Georgia will ask the same about Vandy?
I heard Yogi Roth yesterday on Sirius XM. He said there are discussions ongoing now about removing poor performing programs from conference affiliations. Won't happen til the next cycle of media deals but it is in discussion stage now.

But for now it appears that Cal my be a victim of this line of thinking. I think Cal still has a chance to get into the B1G, but will depend on how they react in the very short term in conjunction with the turmoil currently going on within the ACC. Cal will need to show value to the B1G, but really if the ACC collapses (probably unlikely this media cycle) then the B1G will have its picks of programs that actually care.

There is some hope that the negative press this realignment process is getting will pressure the networks and the B1G into extending Cal a lifeline.
Yogi Roth also predicted last week that the Pac-12 would stay together.
Perhaps not a popular opinion in here but I don't GAF. The only Yogi worth hearing from on any topic Cal or the P-ZERO is YogiBear. Yogi Roth is a just a paid shill that offers nothing but gushing worthless bullshlt takes that rarely have any basis in reality. Anyone that takes him seriously should have their jorts confiscated.

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CAL4LIFE said:

BigDaddy said:

6956bear said:

Big Dog said:

BearoutEast67 said:

It made me laugh when I heard about the low viewership for Cal and Stanford bringing little to the table. I suppose Rutgers, Northwestern, and Maryland are TV giants. Greed rules all and once the TV money tops off, you'll see these little guys cut off from these mega deals and the big dogs asking for larger slices of the pie. We are watching a market's chaos in the presence of no governance.
But the end result will be that Cal will cut a lot of smaller sports. Cal Football will evolve and survive, I plan to enjoy this season of Cal football and will be there rooting for them against Auburn.

you are exactly right. As another poster has mentioned (can't find it) a few days ago, when does tOSU and Michigan and PSU start to ask themselves, why are we sharing our lucre equally with Rutgers? And 'Bama and Georgia will ask the same about Vandy?
I heard Yogi Roth yesterday on Sirius XM. He said there are discussions ongoing now about removing poor performing programs from conference affiliations. Won't happen til the next cycle of media deals but it is in discussion stage now.

But for now it appears that Cal my be a victim of this line of thinking. I think Cal still has a chance to get into the B1G, but will depend on how they react in the very short term in conjunction with the turmoil currently going on within the ACC. Cal will need to show value to the B1G, but really if the ACC collapses (probably unlikely this media cycle) then the B1G will have its picks of programs that actually care.

There is some hope that the negative press this realignment process is getting will pressure the networks and the B1G into extending Cal a lifeline.
Yogi Roth also predicted last week that the Pac-12 would stay together.
Perhaps not a popular opinion in here but I don't GAF. The only Yogi worth hearing from on any topic Cal or the P12 is YogiBear. Yogi Roth is a just a paid shill that offers nothing but gushing worthless bullshlt takes that rarely have any basis in reality. Anyone that takes him seriously should have their jorts confiscated.


What's a jort?
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BigDaddy said:

6956bear said:

Big Dog said:

BearoutEast67 said:

It made me laugh when I heard about the low viewership for Cal and Stanford bringing little to the table. I suppose Rutgers, Northwestern, and Maryland are TV giants. Greed rules all and once the TV money tops off, you'll see these little guys cut off from these mega deals and the big dogs asking for larger slices of the pie. We are watching a market's chaos in the presence of no governance.
But the end result will be that Cal will cut a lot of smaller sports. Cal Football will evolve and survive, I plan to enjoy this season of Cal football and will be there rooting for them against Auburn.

you are exactly right. As another poster has mentioned (can't find it) a few days ago, when does tOSU and Michigan and PSU start to ask themselves, why are we sharing our lucre equally with Rutgers? And 'Bama and Georgia will ask the same about Vandy?
I heard Yogi Roth yesterday on Sirius XM. He said there are discussions ongoing now about removing poor performing programs from conference affiliations. Won't happen til the next cycle of media deals but it is in discussion stage now.

But for now it appears that Cal my be a victim of this line of thinking. I think Cal still has a chance to get into the B1G, but will depend on how they react in the very short term in conjunction with the turmoil currently going on within the ACC. Cal will need to show value to the B1G, but really if the ACC collapses (probably unlikely this media cycle) then the B1G will have its picks of programs that actually care.

There is some hope that the negative press this realignment process is getting will pressure the networks and the B1G into extending Cal a lifeline.
Yogi Roth also predicted last week that the Pac-12 would stay together.
He is an employee of the P12 Network you expected him to say something else? The point about his thoughts on removing poor performing programs from conferences in future seasons is a discussion point. He can be right about that while showing loyalty to his employer in previous interviews.
 
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