rothforever said:

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Taylor doesn't have the talent due to all the attrition from Shaw's tenure. That was totally coaching,

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It was Colorado going to sleep at half, and Furd having one receiver absolutely dominating.

golden sloth said:

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Shoreline said:

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Seeing what Cal alum Troy Taylor do last night against Colorado, then seeing Wilcox today is brutal. We're going to regret letting our rival get Taylor instead of replacing Wilcox with him.

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I dont know, I watched the entirety of that game and the first half of that game was atrocious. I want a coach that can put together a complete game.

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I think it's also possible Coach Prime might be a little overrated. Not bad - not saying that. Just not the next Nick Saban.

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calumnus said:

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bluehenbear said:

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We need an AD that knows what's needed for successful football and how to get it. That's exactly what UW did… it was more than just DeBoer.

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If I had the new chancellor's ear (God forbid), because of the financial constraints, I would advise hiring a dynamite new AD FIRST, letting the new AD initially focus on reorganizing and reenergizing the athletic department and shepherding us into the ACC. I would advise riding with Wilcox as HC for a while longer until his buyout becomes more manageable. The buyout for Knowlton would be much less and and he could be replaced immediately. I'm assuming, of course, that we get a new chancellor who really cares about Cal athletics.

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Yes, this. The caveat being if Rivera becomes available he might be willing to come in early and have his initial salary held off while we pay off Wilcox.

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no. We need to have an AD first who is able to hire "his guy" as coach. The inherited coach unless wildly successful just doesn't usually work.

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Considering how terrible our ADs have been (other than Gladstone), I disagree.

sycasey said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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I love that people are already assuming that Madsen, who has never coached a game at Cal, is a runaway success at MBB.

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Seriously. He seems like a good hire, but we don't know yet.

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I'm excited but I have to admit, the video highlights the AD has been sharing from practice don't look that inspiring. A couple passes and a layup here. Some dribbling and a rebound there. Not sure what to make of it, but it looks like any typical pickup game at the RSF. Can't wait to see what they actually look like in a game.

Novel approach: a contract with performance incentives. /s

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/iowa-football-scores-tracker-hawkeyes-sit-far-off-pace-after-wisconsin-game-need-to-score-325-points-in-2023/#lnrtaajelaqlfzmfqh

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Unit2Sucks said:

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I love that people are already assuming that Madsen, who has never coached a game at Cal, is a runaway success at MBB.

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Zero losses.

The UC Berkeley Bears hired a quarterback who had never thrown an incompletion on the national championship second place finisher team. Rose Bowl is assured.

lol

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Bro your apathy is killing me!
Negative 310 losses

This only way this gets solved is by UC and Cal directly investing a ton of money through a new Chancellor who loves athletics. If we get someone like de la Torre, and IFF that Chancellor made swift and decisive action against a resistant faculty we might have a 1-2 year window to reignite the fanbase to Tedford levels before realignment.

UC and the campus are going to have to figure out a way to cover the buyout, the ACC media shortfall AND invest +$20M-$30M of spending to get us a top quartile coaching staff. The scope of money required to effect a true and fast turnaround is beyond what even the most generous and loaded donors would ever be able to fund. So folks should stop thinking there is some Pentaverate out there that can save this thing. IMHO, our current donors can't do anything besides hold back academic donations and trying to force the admin to increase direct investment dramatically. The best thing fans can do right now is try to watch the Chancellor selection process and email / campaign Michael Drake.

NIL for sure helps accumulate quality players before the next staff gets here, and could result in someting miraculous if things broke our way (we pickup a handufl of transformative line players). But we obviously need a new staff and it's going to cost a small fortune to get it right.

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just a complete **** show

the amount of holding, missed tackles, lack of pressure from DL.

this team is poorly coached. utah otoh is well coached. they dont hv the talent they usually do but they dont commit penalties and they can plug and play guys, including that cb.


wilcox is in too deep. so far over his head. and frankly if u ask him he'd probably tell u he has no idea why its not working.

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The Wilcox/Sirmon scheme has dl holding at the line so that the lb's can make the plays. This means there's no hard hitting by the dl, so the lb's can run free in order to make the tackles.

"Dad, it doesn't look like the team is hitting hard."
"Son, there's more to football than hard hitting."
"Yeah? Like what?"
"Well, teamwork, making friends for life, being competitive."
"But, what about winning?"
"Do you think you have to win every time?"
"Then, why keep score? We could be like soccer, "Lovely ball!"
"Well, son, there's still the money."

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This only way this gets solved is by UC and Cal directly investing a ton of money through a new Chancellor who loves athletics. If we get someone like de la Torre, and IFF that Chancellor made swift and decisive action against a resistant faculty we might have a 1-2 year window to reignite the fanbase to Tedford levels before realignment.

UC and the campus are going to have to figure out a way to cover the buyout, the ACC media shortfall AND invest +$20M-$30M of spending to get us a top quartile coaching staff. The scope of money required to effect a true and fast turnaround is beyond what even the most generous and loaded donors would ever be able to fund. So folks should stop thinking there is some Pentaverate out there that can save this thing. IMHO, our current donors can't do anything besides hold back academic donations and trying to force the admin to increase direct investment dramatically. The best thing fans can do right now is try to watch the Chancellor selection process and email / campaign Michael Drake.

NIL for sure helps accumulate quality players before the next staff gets here, and could result in someting miraculous if things broke our way (we pickup a handufl of transformative line players). But we obviously need a new staff and it's going to cost a small fortune to get it right.

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A lot of nuggets in this post. The bolded sentence is real truth IMO. Which is why IMO so many folks are distressed. That the program seems to be headed the wrong direction in year 7 of a HC tenure is enough to gain the ire of most. It is the feeling that there is almost nothing that can be done that is most distressing.

The portal will have some good players in it.The best and most transformative players will be in high demand. It is clear that the current roster needs a lot of improving. So quantity along with quality is needed. And there are some players on the curent roster that will need to be retained. It looks like the collective will continue to be in fund raising mode. Good players have a market. The market is costly for the best players. To acquire and to retain.

The cost of doing football business these days is expensive. But it is also what is needed to fund your athletic department. So I agree that Cal (UC) somehow is going to have to help foot this bill. The cost to get this right is going to be big. Given there will be a new Chancellor, the ongoing investigation of the AD, the poor performance of the football program and the additional costs of joining the ACC I have real doubts it will happen. Not to mention the HC and staff.

Sebastabear laid out his ideas on the money issue and I just do not see a quick way forward. But if football continues to fail the next realignment likely finds Cal on the sideline. Permanently. Football leads the way in realignment and getting football competitive enough to matter will be a very large lift.

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CarmelBear said:

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I'm a big Ron Rivera fan. But I wonder if he wouldn't be better AD for us.

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Why? He's totally unproven in that kind of role, but proven as a football HC

And would he even want to be an AD?

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He's also not proven as a recruiter and that, as much as any other, is a key element in any college coach's resume. Things I'd look for if I were hiring: ability to 1) hire/manage a coaching staff; 2) recruit; 3) motivate staff/players; 4) be an effective game manager. IMO, Wilcox has failed mostly at the first 2.

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KoreAmBear said:

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Has anyone in our press corps asked Sirmon or Wilcox why we don't bring more pressure since we are 0 for the conference season in sacks?

Has our press corps asked Sirmon and Wilcox why we didn't stack the box when we knew all Utah was going to do was run?

Has our press corps asked Sirmon why we are employing a bend but don't break defense when it is allowing an alarming number of points?

If so, I would like to hear the explanation(s). But usually the questions are like "we know it's hard to win at Utah with a RS freshman QB, did you see progress?"

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"Coach Wilcox, you are in year seven. Everyone wants to see you succeed. But you haven't thus far. Are you the right person to get us to a Rose Bowl?"

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You expect him to break out a time machine? The Rose Bowl is no more.

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sycasey said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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I love that people are already assuming that Madsen, who has never coached a game at Cal, is a runaway success at MBB.

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Seriously. He seems like a good hire, but we don't know yet.

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Cal MBB lost to Boise State by 15 points in a scrimmage today a source told me

— Cal Sports (@CAL_SPORTS_) October 15, 2023

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How long before we have Fire Madsen threads in MBB?

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wifeisafurd said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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Cal Strong! said:

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KoreAmBear said:

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Has anyone in our press corps asked Sirmon or Wilcox why we don't bring more pressure since we are 0 for the conference season in sacks?

Has our press corps asked Sirmon and Wilcox why we didn't stack the box when we knew all Utah was going to do was run?

Has our press corps asked Sirmon why we are employing a bend but don't break defense when it is allowing an alarming number of points?

If so, I would like to hear the explanation(s). But usually the questions are like "we know it's hard to win at Utah with a RS freshman QB, did you see progress?"

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"Coach Wilcox, you are in year seven. Everyone wants to see you succeed. But you haven't thus far. Are you the right person to get us to a Rose Bowl?"

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You expect him to break out a time machine? The Rose Bowl is no more.

Econ141 said:

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sycasey said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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I love that people are already assuming that Madsen, who has never coached a game at Cal, is a runaway success at MBB.

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Seriously. He seems like a good hire, but we don't know yet.

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Cal MBB lost to Boise State by 15 points in a scrimmage today a source told me

— Cal Sports (@CAL_SPORTS_) October 15, 2023

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How long before we have Fire Madsen threads in MBB?

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I would be surprised that Madsen is treating this like an actual game, but giving everyone a lot of playing time to see what he has. Let's wait until we have actual games.

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And this is how it starts

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Lol

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kal kommie said:

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CarmelBear said:

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I'm a big Ron Rivera fan. But I wonder if he wouldn't be better AD for us.

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Why? He's totally unproven in that kind of role, but proven as a football HC

And would he even want to be an AD?

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He's also not proven as a recruiter and that, as much as any other, is a key element in any college coach's resume. Things I'd look for if I were hiring: ability to 1) hire/manage a coaching staff; 2) recruit; 3) motivate staff/players; 4) be an effective game manager. IMO, Wilcox has failed mostly at the first 2.

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enthusiasm

Rushinbear said:

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59bear said:

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kal kommie said:

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CarmelBear said:

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I'm a big Ron Rivera fan. But I wonder if he wouldn't be better AD for us.

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Why? He's totally unproven in that kind of role, but proven as a football HC

And would he even want to be an AD?

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He's also not proven as a recruiter and that, as much as any other, is a key element in any college coach's resume. Things I'd look for if I were hiring: ability to 1) hire/manage a coaching staff; 2) recruit; 3) motivate staff/players; 4) be an effective game manager. IMO, Wilcox has failed mostly at the first 2.

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enthusiasm

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When do some of our sports programs get cut? It's obvious that, while we might love the non-revenue sports, that some need to be cut. More of the money generated from football needs to be put back into football, and less of it sent to other sports. If other sports can't be at least revenue neutral, they have to go. And because of Title IX, male non-revenue sports really have to be profitable - their presence mandates that there are more non-revenue female sports.
I'd think that the cuts cannot be to swim teams or water polo as those are too successful. I think rugby is safe because it's a club sport. But I don't know which programs should sadly be cut.
{deleted thought: Maybe Title IX is now obsolete if you can have men compete on women's teams?}

Carol and James will let the debt pile up at least until she is gone and the new Chancellor kicks JK out the door. Then it will happen. Wouldn't want to sully their reputations as they ride of into the sunset.

dmh65 said:

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When do some of our sports programs get cut? It's obvious that, while we might love the non-revenue sports, that some need to be cut. More of the money generated from football needs to be put back into football, and less of it sent to other sports. If other sports can't be at least revenue neutral, they have to go. And because of Title IX, male non-revenue sports really have to be profitable - their presence mandates that there are more non-revenue female sports.
I'd think that the cuts cannot be to swim teams or water polo as those are too successful. I think rugby is safe because it's a club sport. But I don't know which programs should sadly be cut.
{deleted thought: Maybe Title IX is now obsolete if you can have men compete on women's teams?}

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Gross expenses, each sport...break out men's and women's. Net income, each sport...include donations, grants, ticket sales, conference and media rights, merch. Study terms of each endowment. study terms of Title IX, Olympic sport criteria, legal contracts.

Close and lock your office door. Disconnect or hang up phone. Close drapes. Put on ear muffs. Don't leave until you've got everything decided, in stone. Let the deleted sports know before anyone else. Prepare your letter of resignation for after the deleted sports have been shut down.