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In reply to jy1988 • 1:23a, 9/29/25
jy1988 said:
The team's performance so far indicates that only a post-season evaluation is necessary at this point. The SDstate game was very troubling and if the collapse had continued into this last game, then maybe a mid-season change would have been required. At this point, it seems premature. So yes, I still support JW. I have to wonder what is happening behind the scenes and if anything has affected his concentration and morale. Let's see how all this plays out.

If his concentration and morale are knocked off by criticism in these forums, then he's really not in the right profession. In any case, he literally has millions of reasons to maintain his concentration and morale. If that's still insufficient, then he should resign.
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In reply to 01Bear • 6:51p, 9/29/25
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jy1988 said:
The team's performance so far indicates that only a post-season evaluation is necessary at this point. The SDstate game was very troubling and if the collapse had continued into this last game, then maybe a mid-season change would have been required. At this point, it seems premature. So yes, I still support JW. I have to wonder what is happening behind the scenes and if anything has affected his concentration and morale. Let's see how all this plays out.

If his concentration and morale are knocked off by criticism in these forums, then he's really not in the right profession. In any case, he literally has millions of reasons to maintain his concentration and morale. If that's still insufficient, then he should resign.


Who starred 01's post? It consists of three statements that don't hold water:

1. If his concentration and morale are knocked off by criticism in these forums, then he's really not in the right profession. No one said or implied that his concentration and morale were affected by this forum.
2. In any case, he literally has millions of reasons to maintain his concentration and morale. Millions of dollars aren't sufficient alone to maintain concentration and morale. There are innumerable examples of sports professionals who, based on performance, sure seem to have lost their concentration and morale, despite million dollar salaries.
3. If that's still insufficient, then he should resign. Are you saying he should resign so we don't have to pay him, and that would be the honorable thing for him to do? Dream on. When has a healthy 50 y.o. coach with guaranteed money ever resigned, unless to take a new job. They make you fire them so they get to keep the money, which is exactly what you and everyone else here would do in that situation. It's not dishonorable.

Why not just say, like so many here do, that you don't like his game management because in hindsight you think you could have made a better decision; you don't like his hiring decisions because in hindsight some of them haven't been successful; or you don't like the fact that he doesn't lose his composure on the sideline because you think a good football leader has to be an asshat with a bad temper? Those are all qualitative (and debatable) arguments, but at least you'd be making sense.

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In reply to FuzzyWuzzy • 3:59p, 10/2/25
FuzzyWuzzy said:
01Bear said:
jy1988 said:
The team's performance so far indicates that only a post-season evaluation is necessary at this point. The SDstate game was very troubling and if the collapse had continued into this last game, then maybe a mid-season change would have been required. At this point, it seems premature. So yes, I still support JW. I have to wonder what is happening behind the scenes and if anything has affected his concentration and morale. Let's see how all this plays out.

If his concentration and morale are knocked off by criticism in these forums, then he's really not in the right profession. In any case, he literally has millions of reasons to maintain his concentration and morale. If that's still insufficient, then he should resign.


Who starred 01's post? It consists of three statements that don't hold water:

1. If his concentration and morale are knocked off by criticism in these forums, then he's really not in the right profession. No one said or implied that his concentration and morale were affected by this forum.
2. In any case, he literally has millions of reasons to maintain his concentration and morale. Millions of dollars aren't sufficient alone to maintain concentration and morale. There are innumerable examples of sports professionals who, based on performance, sure seem to have lost their concentration and morale, despite million dollar salaries.
3. If that's still insufficient, then he should resign. Are you saying he should resign so we don't have to pay him, and that would be the honorable thing for him to do? Dream on. When has a healthy 50 y.o. coach with guaranteed money ever resigned, unless to take a new job. They make you fire them so they get to keep the money, which is exactly what you and everyone else here would do in that situation. It's not dishonorable.
so
Why not just say, like so many here do, that you don't like his game management because in hindsight you think you could have made a better decision; you don't like his hiring decisions because in hindsight some of them haven't been successful; or you don't like the fact that he doesn't lose his composure on the sideline because you think a good football leader has to be an asshat with a bad temper? Those are all qualitative (and debatable) arguments, but at least you'd be making sense.


Is that you, Coach Wilsux? It's nice to know you (think you) can beat a strawman! But let's address that strawman argument of yours.

3) Are you saying he should resign so we don't have to pay him, and that would be the honorable thing for him to do? Dream on. When has a healthy 50 y.o. coach with guaranteed money ever resigned, unless to take a new job. They make you fire them so they get to keep the money, which is exactly what you and everyone else here would do in that situation. It's not dishonorable.

I'm saying he should resign because he's unfit for the job if he can't maintain his concentration and morale, despite literally being paid millions to do just that.

Now as for your other arguments, let's address them in order.

1) No one said or implied that his concentration and morale were affected by this forum.
In his post, jy1988 stated: "I have to wonder what is happening behind the scenes and if anything has affected his concentration and morale. Let's see how all this plays out."
So let's say nothing in this forum is causing Wilsux's not to be able to maintain concentration and morale. I can live with that. The question is, what exactly is causing him not to be able to maintain concentration and morale. Because it's plain that something is causing him to lose concentration and morale (see, SDSU wiping the floor with Cal). Also, is that even acceptable? Of course, based on your previous response (see #2 below), apparently, it is acceptable.

2) Millions of dollars aren't sufficient alone to maintain concentration and morale. There are innumerable examples of sports professionals who, based on performance, sure seem to have lost their concentration and morale, despite million dollar salaries.
To borrow from the trite parental response "if your friends jump off a bridge would you jump off a bridge, too?" In other words, the fact that other sports professionals lose their concentration and morale does not mean Wilsux's loss of concentration and morale is somehow excusable. Frankly, Cal isn't paying the other sports professional to coach its football team; it's paying Wilsux. (I also don't give a rat's behind about these other unnamed sports professionals for the simple reasons (1) they're not affiliated with Cal and its athletics programs, (2) I'm a Cal fan, and (3) this is a Cal fan forum.)


Frankly, Wilsux should resign. Of course he's not going to do so because he either (1) lacks the honor and integrity necessary to do so or (2) he's too inept and incompetent to even realize that he can't lead Cal football to sustained success (and no, going 6-6 or even 7-5 with a losing conference record is not success). Heck, last year, Cal had one of the softer schedules in recent history. What exactly was its final record? I'll do you a favor and remind you that Cal went 2-6 in conference and 6-7 overall. Again, it was one of the softest schedules in recent history! How anyone can think that is acceptable is beyond me.

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In reply to 01Bear • 4:43p, 10/2/25
01Bear said:
FuzzyWuzzy said:
01Bear said:
jy1988 said:
The team's performance so far indicates that only a post-season evaluation is necessary at this point. The SDstate game was very troubling and if the collapse had continued into this last game, then maybe a mid-season change would have been required. At this point, it seems premature. So yes, I still support JW. I have to wonder what is happening behind the scenes and if anything has affected his concentration and morale. Let's see how all this plays out.

If his concentration and morale are knocked off by criticism in these forums, then he's really not in the right profession. In any case, he literally has millions of reasons to maintain his concentration and morale. If that's still insufficient, then he should resign.


Who starred 01's post? It consists of three statements that don't hold water:

1. If his concentration and morale are knocked off by criticism in these forums, then he's really not in the right profession. No one said or implied that his concentration and morale were affected by this forum.
2. In any case, he literally has millions of reasons to maintain his concentration and morale. Millions of dollars aren't sufficient alone to maintain concentration and morale. There are innumerable examples of sports professionals who, based on performance, sure seem to have lost their concentration and morale, despite million dollar salaries.
3. If that's still insufficient, then he should resign. Are you saying he should resign so we don't have to pay him, and that would be the honorable thing for him to do? Dream on. When has a healthy 50 y.o. coach with guaranteed money ever resigned, unless to take a new job. They make you fire them so they get to keep the money, which is exactly what you and everyone else here would do in that situation. It's not dishonorable.
so
Why not just say, like so many here do, that you don't like his game management because in hindsight you think you could have made a better decision; you don't like his hiring decisions because in hindsight some of them haven't been successful; or you don't like the fact that he doesn't lose his composure on the sideline because you think a good football leader has to be an asshat with a bad temper? Those are all qualitative (and debatable) arguments, but at least you'd be making sense.


Is that you, Coach Wilsux? It's nice to know you (think you) can beat a strawman! But let's address that strawman argument of yours.

3) Are you saying he should resign so we don't have to pay him, and that would be the honorable thing for him to do? Dream on. When has a healthy 50 y.o. coach with guaranteed money ever resigned, unless to take a new job. They make you fire them so they get to keep the money, which is exactly what you and everyone else here would do in that situation. It's not dishonorable.

I'm saying he should resign because he's unfit for the job if he can't maintain his concentration and morale, despite literally being paid millions to do just that.

Now as for your other arguments, let's address them in order.

1) No one said or implied that his concentration and morale were affected by this forum.
In his post, jy1988 stated: "I have to wonder what is happening behind the scenes and if anything has affected his concentration and morale. Let's see how all this plays out."
So let's say nothing in this forum is causing Wilsux's not to be able to maintain concentration and morale. I can live with that. The question is, what exactly is causing him not to be able to maintain concentration and morale. Because it's plain that something is causing him to lose concentration and morale (see, SDSU wiping the floor with Cal). Also, is that even acceptable? Of course, based on your previous response (see #2 below), apparently, it is acceptable.

2) Millions of dollars aren't sufficient alone to maintain concentration and morale. There are innumerable examples of sports professionals who, based on performance, sure seem to have lost their concentration and morale, despite million dollar salaries.
To borrow from the trite parental response "if your friends jump off a bridge would you jump off a bridge, too?" In other words, the fact that other sports professionals lose their concentration and morale does not mean Wilsux's loss of concentration and morale is somehow excusable. Frankly, Cal isn't paying the other sports professional to coach its football team; it's paying Wilsux. (I also don't give a rat's behind about these other unnamed sports professionals for the simple reasons (1) they're not affiliated with Cal and its athletics programs, (2) I'm a Cal fan, and (3) this is a Cal fan forum.)


Frankly, Wilsux should resign. Of course he's not going to do so because he either (1) lacks the honor and integrity necessary to do so or (2) he's too inept and incompetent to even realize that he can't lead Cal football to sustained success (and no, going 6-6 or even 7-5 with a losing conference record is not success). Heck, last year, Cal had one of the softer schedules in recent history. What exactly was its final record? I'll do you a favor and remind you that Cal went 2-6 in conference and 6-7 overall. Again, it was one of the softest schedules in recent history! How anyone can think that is acceptable is beyond me.



I am not a Wilcox fan but bad timing.
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In reply to oskidunker • 4:56p, 10/2/25
oskidunker said:
01Bear said:
FuzzyWuzzy said:
01Bear said:
jy1988 said:
The team's performance so far indicates that only a post-season evaluation is necessary at this point. The SDstate game was very troubling and if the collapse had continued into this last game, then maybe a mid-season change would have been required. At this point, it seems premature. So yes, I still support JW. I have to wonder what is happening behind the scenes and if anything has affected his concentration and morale. Let's see how all this plays out.

If his concentration and morale are knocked off by criticism in these forums, then he's really not in the right profession. In any case, he literally has millions of reasons to maintain his concentration and morale. If that's still insufficient, then he should resign.


Who starred 01's post? It consists of three statements that don't hold water:

1. If his concentration and morale are knocked off by criticism in these forums, then he's really not in the right profession. No one said or implied that his concentration and morale were affected by this forum.
2. In any case, he literally has millions of reasons to maintain his concentration and morale. Millions of dollars aren't sufficient alone to maintain concentration and morale. There are innumerable examples of sports professionals who, based on performance, sure seem to have lost their concentration and morale, despite million dollar salaries.
3. If that's still insufficient, then he should resign. Are you saying he should resign so we don't have to pay him, and that would be the honorable thing for him to do? Dream on. When has a healthy 50 y.o. coach with guaranteed money ever resigned, unless to take a new job. They make you fire them so they get to keep the money, which is exactly what you and everyone else here would do in that situation. It's not dishonorable.
so
Why not just say, like so many here do, that you don't like his game management because in hindsight you think you could have made a better decision; you don't like his hiring decisions because in hindsight some of them haven't been successful; or you don't like the fact that he doesn't lose his composure on the sideline because you think a good football leader has to be an asshat with a bad temper? Those are all qualitative (and debatable) arguments, but at least you'd be making sense.


Is that you, Coach Wilsux? It's nice to know you (think you) can beat a strawman! But let's address that strawman argument of yours.

3) Are you saying he should resign so we don't have to pay him, and that would be the honorable thing for him to do? Dream on. When has a healthy 50 y.o. coach with guaranteed money ever resigned, unless to take a new job. They make you fire them so they get to keep the money, which is exactly what you and everyone else here would do in that situation. It's not dishonorable.

I'm saying he should resign because he's unfit for the job if he can't maintain his concentration and morale, despite literally being paid millions to do just that.

Now as for your other arguments, let's address them in order.

1) No one said or implied that his concentration and morale were affected by this forum.
In his post, jy1988 stated: "I have to wonder what is happening behind the scenes and if anything has affected his concentration and morale. Let's see how all this plays out."
So let's say nothing in this forum is causing Wilsux's not to be able to maintain concentration and morale. I can live with that. The question is, what exactly is causing him not to be able to maintain concentration and morale. Because it's plain that something is causing him to lose concentration and morale (see, SDSU wiping the floor with Cal). Also, is that even acceptable? Of course, based on your previous response (see #2 below), apparently, it is acceptable.

2) Millions of dollars aren't sufficient alone to maintain concentration and morale. There are innumerable examples of sports professionals who, based on performance, sure seem to have lost their concentration and morale, despite million dollar salaries.
To borrow from the trite parental response "if your friends jump off a bridge would you jump off a bridge, too?" In other words, the fact that other sports professionals lose their concentration and morale does not mean Wilsux's loss of concentration and morale is somehow excusable. Frankly, Cal isn't paying the other sports professional to coach its football team; it's paying Wilsux. (I also don't give a rat's behind about these other unnamed sports professionals for the simple reasons (1) they're not affiliated with Cal and its athletics programs, (2) I'm a Cal fan, and (3) this is a Cal fan forum.)


Frankly, Wilsux should resign. Of course he's not going to do so because he either (1) lacks the honor and integrity necessary to do so or (2) he's too inept and incompetent to even realize that he can't lead Cal football to sustained success (and no, going 6-6 or even 7-5 with a losing conference record is not success). Heck, last year, Cal had one of the softer schedules in recent history. What exactly was its final record? I'll do you a favor and remind you that Cal went 2-6 in conference and 6-7 overall. Again, it was one of the softest schedules in recent history! How anyone can think that is acceptable is beyond me.



I am not a Wilcox fan but bad timing.

Did I miss something? Why bad timing? (I've been in a hospital all week with a family member who got hit by a car, so I've not really come online much.)
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9:21p, 10/4/25
If Wilcox cannot stop a Dook squad at all, there is no point to all this
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10:50p, 10/4/25
Any Wilcox supporters on here, speak now or **** off and never come back
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11:21p, 10/4/25
Ron should fire JW after this Duke game.

UCLA fired their HC recently and won against PSU today.
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In reply to GoCalBears • 11:28p, 10/4/25
GoCalBears said:
Ron should fire JW after this Duke game.

UCLA fired their HC recently and won against PSU today.

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In reply to Strykur • 11:39p, 10/4/25
Strykur said:
Any Wilcox supporters on here, speak now or **** off and never come back

Wilcox supporter here. Who made you boss?
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In reply to FuzzyWuzzy • 11:45p, 10/4/25
FuzzyWuzzy said:
Strykur said:
Any Wilcox supporters on here, speak now or **** off and never come back

Wilcox supporter here. Who made you boss?

If you're not part of the Wilcox family, I have a simple question for you.

Were you dropped on the head a lot as a baby?
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In reply to FuzzyWuzzy • 11:47p, 10/4/25
FuzzyWuzzy said:
Strykur said:
Any Wilcox supporters on here, speak now or **** off and never come back

Wilcox supporter here. Who made you boss?

Presumably you got into Cal because you were smart. But what happened between now and then? Was it drugs? A traumatic brain injury?
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12:39a, 10/5/25
Can Rich Lyons assign Ron to be the HC and JW be Ron's assistant or replay coordinator. Lyon (former Dean of HAAS) must understand the ROI of keeping JW as HC. If Cal can't buy him out...demote him to position on par of his skills; it cost nothing to demote JW.

Seriously tho...Cal has FOUR HCs and couldn't scheme a W at a home game!
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In reply to GoCalBears • 12:56a, 10/5/25
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Can Rich Lyons assign Ron to be the HC and JW be Ron's assistant or replay coordinator. Lyon (former Dean of HAAS) must understand the ROI of keeping JW as HC. If Cal can't buy him out...demote him to position on par of his skills; it cost nothing to demote JW.

Seriously tho...Cal has FOUR HCs and couldn't scheme a W at a home game!

Of even make RR the "Co-HC" with Wilsux.
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In reply to GoCalBears • 1:09a, 10/5/25
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Ron should fire JW after this Duke game.

UCLA fired their HC recently and won against PSU today.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_cat_bounce
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3:11a, 10/5/25
Why do we think Ron Rivera would be a good Cal head coach?
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In reply to okaydo • 3:17a, 10/5/25
okaydo said:
Why do we think Ron Rivera would be a good Cal head coach?
Better than Wilcox
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In reply to Strykur • 5:14a, 10/5/25
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Any Wilcox supporters on here, speak now or **** off and never come back

I am very confident if any of the fired coaches were 4-2 they will not be fired so what is the point of making a move now. If Wilcox finishes 5-7/6-6 he is getting fired anyway, so again, what is the point of tanking the season unless you want to see if Harsin should get the job full-time.

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In reply to Joegeo • 5:42a, 10/5/25
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Strykur said:
Any Wilcox supporters on here, speak now or **** off and never come back

I am very confident if any of the fired coaches were 4-2 they will not be fired so what is the point of making a move now. If Wilcox finishes 5-7/6-6 he is getting fired anyway, so again, what is the point of tanking the season unless you want to see if Harsin should get the job full-time.


Are we sure about that? The buyout is pretty big. Even if we lost every single game from here on out, the 4 wins we already have might be enough for him to keep his job.
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In reply to pingpong2 • 5:53a, 10/5/25
pingpong2 said:
Joegeo said:
Strykur said:
Any Wilcox supporters on here, speak now or **** off and never come back

I am very confident if any of the fired coaches were 4-2 they will not be fired so what is the point of making a move now. If Wilcox finishes 5-7/6-6 he is getting fired anyway, so again, what is the point of tanking the season unless you want to see if Harsin should get the job full-time.


Are we sure about that? The buyout is pretty big. Even if we lost every single game from here on out, the 4 wins we already have might be enough for him to keep his job.

I have no inside information but if Cal loses to UNC Wilcox's seat will be on fire so I don't think he is safe at all.

With his contract situation, it's either an extension or fire season right now.
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In reply to Strykur • 5:53a, 10/5/25
Strykur said:
okaydo said:
Why do we think Ron Rivera would be a good Cal head coach?

Better than Wilcox

Low bar. The program needs new direction. But the cake is baked for this season.
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In reply to Strykur • 5:56a, 10/5/25
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okaydo said:
Why do we think Ron Rivera would be a good Cal head coach?

Better than Wilcox


Given how Bill Belichick is doing I would rather be Cal this season than UNC for sure
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In reply to Joegeo • 7:04a
Joegeo said:
Strykur said:
okaydo said:
Why do we think Ron Rivera would be a good Cal head coach?

Better than Wilcox


Given how Bill Belichick is doing I would rather be Cal this season than UNC for sure
the ways things are going, belichick will leave after the season and in two years they will rebound while we suffer the same bs under Wilcox
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It wouldn't change our record this year. We dont have the players. We have a qb and 2-3 decent receivers .
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In reply to pingpong2 • 10:51a
pingpong2 said:
Joegeo said:
Strykur said:
Any Wilcox supporters on here, speak now or **** off and never come back

I am very confident if any of the fired coaches were 4-2 they will not be fired so what is the point of making a move now. If Wilcox finishes 5-7/6-6 he is getting fired anyway, so again, what is the point of tanking the season unless you want to see if Harsin should get the job full-time.


Are we sure about that? The buyout is pretty big. Even if we lost every single game from here on out, the 4 wins we already have might be enough for him to keep his job.

To play devil's advocate here, another issue is whether Cal has a program in place to allow the next coach to be successful? Rivera has barely been here. If we spend the money on the buyout instead of shoring up the program, are we going to give the next guy an impossible task and have him doomed to fail too. One could argue that having Rivera shore up the program elsewhere while Wilcox takes all the hits for the failure (well deserved) and bringing in the next guy when ready is a long term strategy.

To be clear, I don't agree with this - I want him fired now - but I could see the thinking.

That being said, I think the alums pony up the dough and we fire him or they don't and we don't.
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In reply to GoCalBears • 10:58a
GoCalBears said:
Can Rich Lyons assign Ron to be the HC and JW be Ron's assistant or replay coordinator. Lyon (former Dean of HAAS) must understand the ROI of keeping JW as HC. If Cal can't buy him out...demote him to position on par of his skills; it cost nothing to demote JW.

Seriously tho...Cal has FOUR HCs and couldn't scheme a W at a home game!

Why do you think the ROI of keeping Wilcox is worse than the ROI of paying him the buyout? You can't look at one side of the equation - Pay $0 and we suck - without looking at the other side of the equation - Pay $15M and ?. I'm going to tell you that in the overwhelming percentage of scenarios, that ? is less than $15M in additional revenue. That is both looking at college football programs as a whole but more importantly looking at Cal football specifically. That is why the buyout clause was so freaking stupid. It was never going to make financial sense to invoke it so we were trapped the minute we signed it. Clearly, no one thought of the consequences of that decision at the time though some of us knew what they were the second the deal was announced.
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Well, I finally think a change at the top now needs to occur. Something I saw when we were up 21-7 disturbed me. And it wasn't on the playing field. Those who watched closely might know what I'm talking about. Watch the Cal sidelines. See if you can guess. I've been a JW supporter up until now. The 2nd half collapse and what I alluded to convinced me. He needs to move on after the season. And Cal needs to re-evaluate its position in CF, etc.
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In reply to jy1988 • 3:25p
Did he lick his lips???
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Again, can Wilcox be demoted to defensive coordinator what he's good at?
I researched and it says yes he can. It cost nothing to demote him and allow Rolovich a Hawaii legend to take over and we keep JKS.

This would protect us from hiring Rolovich next year if he sucks as a coach.
Also it cost nothing.
The only negative is if he has a stipulation that says he cant be demoted. (Ugggg, if that's true.)

The research is here:
In most football programs (high school, college, or professional), the head coach is an employee under a school district, university, or franchise. The terms of their employment including demotion depend on:
  • Their contract (if they have one),
  • The governing board (school board, athletic director, or team owner), and
  • State or league employment laws.
Common Scenarios
[ol]
  • Administrative Reassignment (High School / College)
    • A head coach may be reassigned or demoted to a coordinator position if the athletic director or principal decides a change in leadership is necessary.
    • This can happen for performance reasons, conflict with administration, or restructuring of the coaching staff.
    • If the coach is also a teacher, the reassignment usually affects only the coaching stipend, not their teaching position.
  • Professional Football (NFL / CFL / USFL, etc.)
    • In the pros, a head coach is typically fired or resigns rather than being formally "demoted."
    • However, it's not uncommon for a former head coach to later accept a coordinator position for example, after being fired elsewhere.
  • Voluntary Demotion
    • Occasionally, a coach might voluntarily step down for personal reasons (health, workload, etc.) and stay on as an assistant or coordinator.
    • [/ol]
    Legal and Contractual Limits
    If the head coach has a written employment contract, it usually specifies:
    • Whether they can be reassigned or demoted,
    • How much notice must be given,
    • Whether the salary or term changes,
    • What remedies exist if they object to the demotion.
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    In reply to TonyTiger • 4:08p
    TonyTiger said:
    Again, can Wilcox be demoted to defensive coordinator what he's good at?
    I researched and it says yes he can. It cost nothing to demote him and allow Rolovich a Hawaii legend to take over and we keep JKS.

    This would protect us from hiring Rolovich next year if he sucks as a coach.
    Also it cost nothing.
    The only negative is if he has a stipulation that says he cant be demoted. (Ugggg, if that's true.)

    The research is here:
    In most football programs (high school, college, or professional), the head coach is an employee under a school district, university, or franchise. The terms of their employment including demotion depend on:
    • Their contract (if they have one),
    • The governing board (school board, athletic director, or team owner), and
    • State or league employment laws.
    Common Scenarios
    [ol]
  • Administrative Reassignment (High School / College)
    • A head coach may be reassigned or demoted to a coordinator position if the athletic director or principal decides a change in leadership is necessary.
    • This can happen for performance reasons, conflict with administration, or restructuring of the coaching staff.
    • If the coach is also a teacher, the reassignment usually affects only the coaching stipend, not their teaching position.
  • Professional Football (NFL / CFL / USFL, etc.)
    • In the pros, a head coach is typically fired or resigns rather than being formally "demoted."
    • However, it's not uncommon for a former head coach to later accept a coordinator position for example, after being fired elsewhere.
  • Voluntary Demotion
    • Occasionally, a coach might voluntarily step down for personal reasons (health, workload, etc.) and stay on as an assistant or coordinator.
    • [/ol]
    Legal and Contractual Limits
    If the head coach has a written employment contract, it usually specifies:
    • Whether they can be reassigned or demoted,
    • How much notice must be given,
    • Whether the salary or term changes,
    • What remedies exist if they object to the demotion.


    Why do you think Wilcox would be good as defensive coordinator? Against the only two decent teams we have played this year (SDSU and Duke), our defense has been horrible. He is just not the defensive genius some here seem to think he is. I don't want him to occupy any position on the Cal coaching staff.
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    In reply to BadNewsBear1 • 6:14p
    No.
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    In reply to TonyTiger • 7:15p
    TonyTiger said:
    Again, can Wilcox be demoted to defensive coordinator what he's good at?
    I researched and it says yes he can. It cost nothing to demote him and allow Rolovich a Hawaii legend to take over and we keep JKS.

    This would protect us from hiring Rolovich next year if he sucks as a coach.
    Also it cost nothing.
    The only negative is if he has a stipulation that says he cant be demoted. (Ugggg, if that's true.)

    The research is here:
    In most football programs (high school, college, or professional), the head coach is an employee under a school district, university, or franchise. The terms of their employment including demotion depend on:
    • Their contract (if they have one),
    • The governing board (school board, athletic director, or team owner), and
    • State or league employment laws.
    Common Scenarios
    [ol]
  • Administrative Reassignment (High School / College)
    • A head coach may be reassigned or demoted to a coordinator position if the athletic director or principal decides a change in leadership is necessary.
    • This can happen for performance reasons, conflict with administration, or restructuring of the coaching staff.
    • If the coach is also a teacher, the reassignment usually affects only the coaching stipend, not their teaching position.
  • Professional Football (NFL / CFL / USFL, etc.)
    • In the pros, a head coach is typically fired or resigns rather than being formally "demoted."
    • However, it's not uncommon for a former head coach to later accept a coordinator position for example, after being fired elsewhere.
  • Voluntary Demotion
    • Occasionally, a coach might voluntarily step down for personal reasons (health, workload, etc.) and stay on as an assistant or coordinator.
    • [/ol]
    Legal and Contractual Limits
    If the head coach has a written employment contract, it usually specifies:
    • Whether they can be reassigned or demoted,
    • How much notice must be given,
    • Whether the salary or term changes,
    • What remedies exist if they object to the demotion.

    I am sure everything will go swimmingly in the locker room with the now demoted HC still there and a substitute teacher leading the charge.
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    In reply to Joegeo • 7:24p
    Joegeo said:
    TonyTiger said:
    Again, can Wilcox be demoted to defensive coordinator what he's good at?
    I researched and it says yes he can. It cost nothing to demote him and allow Rolovich a Hawaii legend to take over and we keep JKS.

    This would protect us from hiring Rolovich next year if he sucks as a coach.
    Also it cost nothing.
    The only negative is if he has a stipulation that says he cant be demoted. (Ugggg, if that's true.)

    The research is here:
    In most football programs (high school, college, or professional), the head coach is an employee under a school district, university, or franchise. The terms of their employment including demotion depend on:
    • Their contract (if they have one),
    • The governing board (school board, athletic director, or team owner), and
    • State or league employment laws.
    Common Scenarios
    [ol]
  • Administrative Reassignment (High School / College)
    • A head coach may be reassigned or demoted to a coordinator position if the athletic director or principal decides a change in leadership is necessary.
    • This can happen for performance reasons, conflict with administration, or restructuring of the coaching staff.
    • If the coach is also a teacher, the reassignment usually affects only the coaching stipend, not their teaching position.
  • Professional Football (NFL / CFL / USFL, etc.)
    • In the pros, a head coach is typically fired or resigns rather than being formally "demoted."
    • However, it's not uncommon for a former head coach to later accept a coordinator position for example, after being fired elsewhere.
  • Voluntary Demotion
    • Occasionally, a coach might voluntarily step down for personal reasons (health, workload, etc.) and stay on as an assistant or coordinator.
    • [/ol]
    Legal and Contractual Limits
    If the head coach has a written employment contract, it usually specifies:
    • Whether they can be reassigned or demoted,
    • How much notice must be given,
    • Whether the salary or term changes,
    • What remedies exist if they object to the demotion.

    I am sure everything will go swimmingly in the locker room with the now demoted HC still there and a substitute teacher leading the charge.


    Bar him from the locker room!
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    Better off with a bar in the locker room.
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