Tormund: We have to celebrate the victory [by pounding a horn of ale]!TheSouseFamily said:
Tormund Giantsbane looks like a fun guy to toss a few back with. Especially if served in a horn.
Jon: Vomiting is not celebrating
Tormund: Yes it is
Savage
Tormund: We have to celebrate the victory [by pounding a horn of ale]!TheSouseFamily said:
Tormund Giantsbane looks like a fun guy to toss a few back with. Especially if served in a horn.
elementary stuff like this is beyond the attention of the writers and producers at this point. They have a series to wrap up, I guess.calumnus said:bearister said:
That bad boy went down faster than a Boeing 737 MAX.
Second shot right in the neck? In the neck, in the neck? At that height and distance? With no recoil?
Again, circle around and attack the ships from behind.
calumnus said:bearister said:
That bad boy went down faster than a Boeing 737 MAX.
Second shot right in the neck? In the neck, in the neck? At that height and distance? With no recoil?
Again, circle around and attack the ships from behind.
GBear4Life said:
Euron has a very punchable face.
He is the type of character we have all encountered that is equally despised by both men and women
GBear4Life said:
They'd spin it and the sails would virtually obstruct their entire view.
To be fair, Jamie's time at Winterfell was nothing but exemplary. He might not have been helpful (because all the warriors were essentially pawns until Arya killed the white walker [I also admit that was not the original strategy]), but Jamie fought for the living well.GBear4Life said:
Jamie is irredeemable, his record is beyond repair.
But all it takes is Brienne, who has no history or equity with Dany, to vouch for a Stark and Targaryan Killer (and wannabe child killer) with one hand, and an enemy beheading turns into a guest of honor
I agree but he should have never been privy to that opportunity. Should have been killed by the Starks when captured, and certainly by Dany on behalf of the North when he arrives at Winterfell in Season 8.golden sloth said:
To be fair, Jamie's time at Winterfell was nothing but exemplary. He might not have been helpful (because all the warriors were essentially pawns until Arya killed the white walker [I also admit that was not the original strategy]), but Jamie fought for the living well.
ducky23 said:
Cmon guys. There has to be one brave hero on BI who is willing to defend the writing on season 8
ducky23 said:
Cmon guys. There has to be one brave hero on BI who is willing to defend the writing on season 8
sycasey said:ducky23 said:
Cmon guys. There has to be one brave hero on BI who is willing to defend the writing on season 8
I think I already did? IMO the show is still very entertaining and the issues most people are citing are a natural consequence of them needing to end the story at a certain time. No opportunity for the leisurely pace they once had.
ducky23 said:
The question is not whether the show is still entertaining. I believe that even a really awful writer could still make something entertaining
If that happens, the "bitter" would be her death while the "sweet" could be that she is the one who sacrificially requests Jon do the deed when she's in a brief moment of sane lucidity as she temporarily realizes she is actually becoming her mad father and so must be killed before she can no longer be stopped. She gives up her life ambitions and her life itself to save her people from herself. In other words, a violent madness could be a real, inescapable, organic part of her (not just the usual political demonizations by operatives favoring another candidate) and that madness could soon be seen in her untempered use of her last dragon and of the unsullieds on many innocents.GBear4Life said:
Setting up Dany to be betrayed by her advisors as a 'mad queen'. Pleeeez.
Moragabear is your huckleberryducky23 said:
Cmon guys. There has to be one brave hero on BI who is willing to defend the writing on season 8
sycasey said:ducky23 said:
The question is not whether the show is still entertaining. I believe that even a really awful writer could still make something entertaining
I don't. There are a LOT of examples of great source material that didn't result in anything nearly as entertaining as GoT.
My family and several other people laughed right out loud in the theater of the absurdity that was the third Matrix movie.ducky23 said:sycasey said:ducky23 said:
The question is not whether the show is still entertaining. I believe that even a really awful writer could still make something entertaining
I don't. There are a LOT of examples of great source material that didn't result in anything nearly as entertaining as GoT.
I'm not talking about adapting something from the source material. That's incredibly difficult.
I'm just talking about season 8, not season 1.
When writing for season 8, all the world building has already been done, the characters have already been pretty fleshed out, and you have a legion of fans that have already completely bought in. What I'm saying, at that point, its not hard to make something entertaining. Hell I was entertained by the 3rd matrix movie, godfather 3 and back to the future 3. But a lot of that entertainment value was built on the backs of the previous movies.
I was not very entertained by the third Matrix movie, so not sure I'm buying your premise here. That's a great example of creators blowing it despite having the audience in their hands thanks to previous work.ducky23 said:sycasey said:ducky23 said:
The question is not whether the show is still entertaining. I believe that even a really awful writer could still make something entertaining
I don't. There are a LOT of examples of great source material that didn't result in anything nearly as entertaining as GoT.
I'm not talking about adapting something from the source material. That's incredibly difficult.
I'm just talking about season 8, not season 1.
When writing for season 8, all the world building has already been done, the characters have already been pretty fleshed out, and you have a legion of fans that have already completely bought in. What I'm saying, at that point, its not hard to make something entertaining. Hell I was entertained by the 3rd matrix movie, godfather 3 and back to the future 3. But a lot of that entertainment value was built on the backs of the previous movies.
I think these issues are linked, though.Yogi Bear said:
As for the Game of Thrones show, it has its own self-created problems which differ from the problems of the ASOIAF books. The showrunners don't appear to actually understand the purpose of some of the main characters as intended by Martin (from my point of view), while Martin suffers from the common malady of writers who fall in love with writing the middle of the story and then have no clear path to believably ending their saga (see Star Wars prequels).
He did, but Benioff/Weiss fixed a lot of that by eliminating storylines that nobody cared about. Dorne? Gone. Other Targaryens? Gone. Extra Greyjoys? Gone.okaydo said:
A few things:
--This article from 2 months ago argued that George R.R. Martin is unable to finish his books that why he hasn't finished them. He's painted himself into a corner he can't get out of, and Davie Benioff and D.B. Weiss are doing the best they can.
Martin is already not the hero. The series has become more important that the books and if someday the Winds of Winter ever comes out, it'll largely be with a collective "Whatever, we already found out how this story ends."Quote:Quote:
Or perhaps there is tension between Martin and Dave and Dan, and they aren't on speaking terms, and Martin is distancing himself from the series to emerge as the hero, even though he'll happily pick up another Emmy this fall.)
Which is how you end up with stupidity like Sansa saying she'd still be a stupid little bird if she hadn't been raped and abused. Any woman would have shot down the stupidity of that line immediately.Quote:Quote:
--I used to listen to the Breaking Bad podcasts, and reading interviews with creator Vince Gilligan. Basically, his whole thing is just to lavish credit on everybody else and point out when the great ideas didn't come from him. He had assembled a writers room with a few cronies, yes, but also several women, one of whom won an Emmy for writing an episode. But they would all gather, as all TV writers' rooms do, and hash out and debate where they were headed. Game of Thrones, on the other hand, is very insular. Just 4 people: Dave, Dan, Bryan Cogman (who joined the show from the start) and Dave Hill, Dave and Dan's former assistant, who writes one episode per season following George R.R. Martin's departure from the writers' staff. The problem is that it becomes insular and there's no one to really question things, and the result you get is it a lot of stuff not making sense, like the whole Brienne-Jamie thing. It has been pointed out many times that the show hasn't had a female writer since Season 3. And a female director since Season 4 (Breaking Bad's Michelle MacLaren.)
Not knowing who he endorsed, I'm utterly unsurprised by his pick.Quote:Quote:
-Over the weekend, George R.R. Martin endorsed a presidential candidate. Endorsed a certain presidential candidate enthusiastically. And for some reason, I can see parallels with his endorsement and the way Season 8 is going, even though he's not involved.
I don't think he's stupid, but what the Night's Watch really needed was Tywin, not Jon. Jon only looks good compared to the corrupt and inept people who hunger for the offices that he doesn't even want.Quote:Quote:
--I remember when Jon Snow was called "Stupid Jon Snow." Now, he has many, many people thinking he's the leader Kings Landing needed. I see so many real-life parallels with how he's viewed by his fanbase -- dismissing his flaws entirely -- and real life. I wonder if that was intended, or not. It also parallels how certain people's overcoming a lot of adversity, even if it's self-caused, are celebrated over certain other people who triumph over adversity.
Well, if you've read the leaks about how the show ends and with all the character arcs for the final 3 episodes, be prepared to do some "raining" on the parade.MoragaBear said:
Nobody's raining on my parade unless they kill everyone and some turd sits on the throne.