I agree with this, except "a good AD hires who he wants and makes the donors think it was their idea. "BearlyCareAnymore said:BearGoggles said:Did AAR carry ethical baggage?GoCal80 said:Exactly. Cal's last two men's hoops coaches have been awful and fans are frustrated. When one or more donors push the narrative that a certain candidate is the answer to Cal's problems, the AD should listen. However, if that candidate carries ethical baggage and has annoyed people at Cal who know him, the AD is obligated to find someone who is a better fit and then rally as many donors and other alumni as possible around that candidate. I like everything I've read about Masden and hope people will enthusiastically support him.annarborbear said:
I worked for five years at Stanford. Many people I met thought that Arriaga and his family had far too much influence. They even had their own private office. I was also at Michigan. They have many large and influential donors. But I never heard of anyone dictating the selection of coaches. You still have to try to have a professionally-managed organization.
You're missing the point - this has very little to do with JP or for that matter Madsen. This has everything to do with building support for your program from key donors and former players which is critical for a variety of reasons including NIL and the practice facility.
With the right process, Knowlton could have hired Madsen and maintained that support. But he failed at that - again -- because he's incompetent and arrogant.
Absolutely no one said donors should dictate the hire, so they are arguing against a straw man. As I said elsewhere, a good AD hires who he wants and makes the donors think it was their idea. The problem is hiring whoever you want and making the donors think you don't care what they think. Especially when the last time they were asked to pay for a buyout and you did what you wanted they got Mark Fox, an extension, and then asked to fund another buyout.
It is amazing to me how many people here seem to think that donors are morally obligated to give money. We should be apologizing for how we have squandered their charity over the years
It definately gets at a problem. I do wonder about "funding in place". While I am sure Joe P had probably a sufficient warchest for ONE year the real problem (and I use that word carefully Bill) is that it feels unsustainable as long as NIL $ is SEPERATE from the flow of funds that go to the program/university. Touching the same people twice feels problematic - and it requires the university to do very ununiversity things - look at those funds as money on the table that THEY want.Shocky1 said:kinda sad & funny to think there are naive cal fans that still hope he's gonna somehow end up in berkeley, that's not how things work in 2023Shocky1 said:
there is zero chance that michigan's hunter dickinson is gonna end up in berkeley
dickinson will have nil offers from well funded multi million dollars nil programs like duke & notre dame that will potentially be south of $1,000,000...cal''s nil goal is targeting $1,500,000 total & has not raised that level of funding yet
the con artist (and mike montomgery) did not consider donor participating in nil funding & its impact upon transfer portal recruiting, joe pasternack had the funding in place
rooting for mark to move the program but there's a better chance of jaylen brown regaining eligiiblity than hunter dickinson signing with cal
HoopDreams said:I agree with this, except "a good AD hires who he wants and makes the donors think it was their idea. "BearlyCareAnymore said:BearGoggles said:Did AAR carry ethical baggage?GoCal80 said:Exactly. Cal's last two men's hoops coaches have been awful and fans are frustrated. When one or more donors push the narrative that a certain candidate is the answer to Cal's problems, the AD should listen. However, if that candidate carries ethical baggage and has annoyed people at Cal who know him, the AD is obligated to find someone who is a better fit and then rally as many donors and other alumni as possible around that candidate. I like everything I've read about Masden and hope people will enthusiastically support him.annarborbear said:
I worked for five years at Stanford. Many people I met thought that Arriaga and his family had far too much influence. They even had their own private office. I was also at Michigan. They have many large and influential donors. But I never heard of anyone dictating the selection of coaches. You still have to try to have a professionally-managed organization.
You're missing the point - this has very little to do with JP or for that matter Madsen. This has everything to do with building support for your program from key donors and former players which is critical for a variety of reasons including NIL and the practice facility.
With the right process, Knowlton could have hired Madsen and maintained that support. But he failed at that - again -- because he's incompetent and arrogant.
Absolutely no one said donors should dictate the hire, so they are arguing against a straw man. As I said elsewhere, a good AD hires who he wants and makes the donors think it was their idea. The problem is hiring whoever you want and making the donors think you don't care what they think. Especially when the last time they were asked to pay for a buyout and you did what you wanted they got Mark Fox, an extension, and then asked to fund another buyout.
It is amazing to me how many people here seem to think that donors are morally obligated to give money. We should be apologizing for how we have squandered their charity over the years
How about a good AD actively seeks out and listens very carefully to the key stakeholders and advisors, including the ones who have a different view from you, and having an open mind to make a decision that's best for the program"
...people see through fake intentions and then they lose trust in you
Hoops - admittedly I was being flippant in my language. What I meant is the AD has to make the decision. Of course in making that decision he should seek out key stakeholders and advisors (and I have advocated for that method, especially over a search firm for years). Once he does that, he needs to make a decision because that is his job. Part of making that decision is continuing the listening process and building a consensus around that decision. That is what I mean by "make them think it is their idea".HoopDreams said:I agree with this, except "a good AD hires who he wants and makes the donors think it was their idea. "BearlyCareAnymore said:BearGoggles said:Did AAR carry ethical baggage?GoCal80 said:Exactly. Cal's last two men's hoops coaches have been awful and fans are frustrated. When one or more donors push the narrative that a certain candidate is the answer to Cal's problems, the AD should listen. However, if that candidate carries ethical baggage and has annoyed people at Cal who know him, the AD is obligated to find someone who is a better fit and then rally as many donors and other alumni as possible around that candidate. I like everything I've read about Masden and hope people will enthusiastically support him.annarborbear said:
I worked for five years at Stanford. Many people I met thought that Arriaga and his family had far too much influence. They even had their own private office. I was also at Michigan. They have many large and influential donors. But I never heard of anyone dictating the selection of coaches. You still have to try to have a professionally-managed organization.
You're missing the point - this has very little to do with JP or for that matter Madsen. This has everything to do with building support for your program from key donors and former players which is critical for a variety of reasons including NIL and the practice facility.
With the right process, Knowlton could have hired Madsen and maintained that support. But he failed at that - again -- because he's incompetent and arrogant.
Absolutely no one said donors should dictate the hire, so they are arguing against a straw man. As I said elsewhere, a good AD hires who he wants and makes the donors think it was their idea. The problem is hiring whoever you want and making the donors think you don't care what they think. Especially when the last time they were asked to pay for a buyout and you did what you wanted they got Mark Fox, an extension, and then asked to fund another buyout.
It is amazing to me how many people here seem to think that donors are morally obligated to give money. We should be apologizing for how we have squandered their charity over the years
How about a good AD actively seeks out and listens very carefully to the key stakeholders and advisors, including the ones who have a different view from you, and having an open mind to make a decision that's best for the program"
...people see through fake intentions and then they lose trust in you
BearlyCareAnymore said:Hoops - admittedly I was being flippant in my language. What I meant is the AD has to make the decision. Of course in making that decision he should seek out key stakeholders and advisors (and I have advocated for that method, especially over a search firm for years). Once he does that, he needs to make a decision because that is his job. Part of making that decision is continuing the listening process and building a consensus around that decision. That is what I mean by "make them think it is their idea".HoopDreams said:I agree with this, except "a good AD hires who he wants and makes the donors think it was their idea. "BearlyCareAnymore said:BearGoggles said:Did AAR carry ethical baggage?GoCal80 said:Exactly. Cal's last two men's hoops coaches have been awful and fans are frustrated. When one or more donors push the narrative that a certain candidate is the answer to Cal's problems, the AD should listen. However, if that candidate carries ethical baggage and has annoyed people at Cal who know him, the AD is obligated to find someone who is a better fit and then rally as many donors and other alumni as possible around that candidate. I like everything I've read about Masden and hope people will enthusiastically support him.annarborbear said:
I worked for five years at Stanford. Many people I met thought that Arriaga and his family had far too much influence. They even had their own private office. I was also at Michigan. They have many large and influential donors. But I never heard of anyone dictating the selection of coaches. You still have to try to have a professionally-managed organization.
You're missing the point - this has very little to do with JP or for that matter Madsen. This has everything to do with building support for your program from key donors and former players which is critical for a variety of reasons including NIL and the practice facility.
With the right process, Knowlton could have hired Madsen and maintained that support. But he failed at that - again -- because he's incompetent and arrogant.
Absolutely no one said donors should dictate the hire, so they are arguing against a straw man. As I said elsewhere, a good AD hires who he wants and makes the donors think it was their idea. The problem is hiring whoever you want and making the donors think you don't care what they think. Especially when the last time they were asked to pay for a buyout and you did what you wanted they got Mark Fox, an extension, and then asked to fund another buyout.
It is amazing to me how many people here seem to think that donors are morally obligated to give money. We should be apologizing for how we have squandered their charity over the years
How about a good AD actively seeks out and listens very carefully to the key stakeholders and advisors, including the ones who have a different view from you, and having an open mind to make a decision that's best for the program"
...people see through fake intentions and then they lose trust in you
Gladstone may have had significant issues as an AD, but he has run maybe the only acceptable revenue coach hire in my lifetime and that is exactly what he did. Donors brought him plenty of favored candidates, including Snyder. Ultimately, he included many in the process. It was his decision to go with Tedford but just about everyone was happy with it as if they all had a part in the decision. I don't believe in decision by committee, but I do believe in input by committee. Ultimately the AD's butt is on the line and it is his job, so he makes the decision, but when the process works well, no one is bailing feeling like they have been shut out.
Note that the method you advocate is not inconsistent with using a search firm.BearlyCareAnymore said:Hoops - admittedly I was being flippant in my language. What I meant is the AD has to make the decision. Of course in making that decision he should seek out key stakeholders and advisors (and I have advocated for that method, especially over a search firm for years). Once he does that, he needs to make a decision because that is his job. Part of making that decision is continuing the listening process and building a consensus around that decision. That is what I mean by "make them think it is their idea".HoopDreams said:I agree with this, except "a good AD hires who he wants and makes the donors think it was their idea. "BearlyCareAnymore said:BearGoggles said:Did AAR carry ethical baggage?GoCal80 said:Exactly. Cal's last two men's hoops coaches have been awful and fans are frustrated. When one or more donors push the narrative that a certain candidate is the answer to Cal's problems, the AD should listen. However, if that candidate carries ethical baggage and has annoyed people at Cal who know him, the AD is obligated to find someone who is a better fit and then rally as many donors and other alumni as possible around that candidate. I like everything I've read about Masden and hope people will enthusiastically support him.annarborbear said:
I worked for five years at Stanford. Many people I met thought that Arriaga and his family had far too much influence. They even had their own private office. I was also at Michigan. They have many large and influential donors. But I never heard of anyone dictating the selection of coaches. You still have to try to have a professionally-managed organization.
You're missing the point - this has very little to do with JP or for that matter Madsen. This has everything to do with building support for your program from key donors and former players which is critical for a variety of reasons including NIL and the practice facility.
With the right process, Knowlton could have hired Madsen and maintained that support. But he failed at that - again -- because he's incompetent and arrogant.
Absolutely no one said donors should dictate the hire, so they are arguing against a straw man. As I said elsewhere, a good AD hires who he wants and makes the donors think it was their idea. The problem is hiring whoever you want and making the donors think you don't care what they think. Especially when the last time they were asked to pay for a buyout and you did what you wanted they got Mark Fox, an extension, and then asked to fund another buyout.
It is amazing to me how many people here seem to think that donors are morally obligated to give money. We should be apologizing for how we have squandered their charity over the years
How about a good AD actively seeks out and listens very carefully to the key stakeholders and advisors, including the ones who have a different view from you, and having an open mind to make a decision that's best for the program"
...people see through fake intentions and then they lose trust in you
Gladstone may have had significant issues as an AD, but he has run maybe the only acceptable revenue coach hire in my lifetime and that is exactly what he did. Donors brought him plenty of favored candidates, including Snyder. Ultimately, he included many in the process. It was his decision to go with Tedford but just about everyone was happy with it as if they all had a part in the decision. I don't believe in decision by committee, but I do believe in input by committee. Ultimately the AD's butt is on the line and it is his job, so he makes the decision, but when the process works well, no one is bailing feeling like they have been shut out.
Coach Madsen has arrived in Bear Territory! 👋@madsen_mark x #GoBears pic.twitter.com/GYFkrMul5h
— Cal Basketball (@CalMBBall) April 3, 2023
Cal8285 said:Note that the method you advocate is not inconsistent with using a search firm.BearlyCareAnymore said:Hoops - admittedly I was being flippant in my language. What I meant is the AD has to make the decision. Of course in making that decision he should seek out key stakeholders and advisors (and I have advocated for that method, especially over a search firm for years). Once he does that, he needs to make a decision because that is his job. Part of making that decision is continuing the listening process and building a consensus around that decision. That is what I mean by "make them think it is their idea".HoopDreams said:I agree with this, except "a good AD hires who he wants and makes the donors think it was their idea. "BearlyCareAnymore said:BearGoggles said:Did AAR carry ethical baggage?GoCal80 said:Exactly. Cal's last two men's hoops coaches have been awful and fans are frustrated. When one or more donors push the narrative that a certain candidate is the answer to Cal's problems, the AD should listen. However, if that candidate carries ethical baggage and has annoyed people at Cal who know him, the AD is obligated to find someone who is a better fit and then rally as many donors and other alumni as possible around that candidate. I like everything I've read about Masden and hope people will enthusiastically support him.annarborbear said:
I worked for five years at Stanford. Many people I met thought that Arriaga and his family had far too much influence. They even had their own private office. I was also at Michigan. They have many large and influential donors. But I never heard of anyone dictating the selection of coaches. You still have to try to have a professionally-managed organization.
You're missing the point - this has very little to do with JP or for that matter Madsen. This has everything to do with building support for your program from key donors and former players which is critical for a variety of reasons including NIL and the practice facility.
With the right process, Knowlton could have hired Madsen and maintained that support. But he failed at that - again -- because he's incompetent and arrogant.
Absolutely no one said donors should dictate the hire, so they are arguing against a straw man. As I said elsewhere, a good AD hires who he wants and makes the donors think it was their idea. The problem is hiring whoever you want and making the donors think you don't care what they think. Especially when the last time they were asked to pay for a buyout and you did what you wanted they got Mark Fox, an extension, and then asked to fund another buyout.
It is amazing to me how many people here seem to think that donors are morally obligated to give money. We should be apologizing for how we have squandered their charity over the years
How about a good AD actively seeks out and listens very carefully to the key stakeholders and advisors, including the ones who have a different view from you, and having an open mind to make a decision that's best for the program"
...people see through fake intentions and then they lose trust in you
Gladstone may have had significant issues as an AD, but he has run maybe the only acceptable revenue coach hire in my lifetime and that is exactly what he did. Donors brought him plenty of favored candidates, including Snyder. Ultimately, he included many in the process. It was his decision to go with Tedford but just about everyone was happy with it as if they all had a part in the decision. I don't believe in decision by committee, but I do believe in input by committee. Ultimately the AD's butt is on the line and it is his job, so he makes the decision, but when the process works well, no one is bailing feeling like they have been shut out.
Only a foolish AD relies on a search firm in the decision making. By no means fear to use a search firm, it can be very helpful in identifying candidates the AD did not have on his list, and who might not reach out to the AD directly, and it can be very helpful in communications and making everyone more comfortable in maintaining (to the extent possible) confidentiality.
But if the search firm has more than 5% of the input in the decision making process, then it is a flawed process. Tell the search firm what you want in a coach and who you already want as candidates, that nobody is rejected without your input, and hope they bring additional candidates who fit what you want to the table. In the end, the AD (hopefully with input from key stakeholders and advisors) decides who, among the candidates, fits.
We don't really know what exact role the search firm played with Fox. What seems clear, however, is that Mark Fox was exactly what Knowlton was looking for. If the AD says, "Find me someone with qualifications a, b, c, and d, that's what I care about," the search firm finds someone with qualifications a, b, c, and d, and the AD hires him over other candidates in the mix that didn't have a, b, c, and d, don't blame the search firm for the fact that the AD failed to hire a coach with qualifications x, y, and z, even if any competent AD should know the coach needs x, y, and z.
This time around, it seems clear that Knowlton used advisors in the process, that search firm input in the decision wasn't a big deal. Whether he ignored key stakeholders, whether he used the right advisors, or properly balanced the input from the advisors at his disposal, those are pretty fair questions, but I haven't heard any rumblings that Knowlton relied on the search firm in the decision making process.
Knowlton seems to have learned at least one lesson from the Fox fiasco -- power conference head coach experience isn't that important unless it is proven winning experience, as opposed to proven losing (hiring a guy who has a career losing record in power conference games, really?!?!?). If he hadn't learned that lesson, we might have Tim Miles as head coach right now.
But based on his comments at the press conference, Knowlton still values certain qualities that go beyond winning. I don't think it really matter what advisors or key stakeholders had to say, I think Madsen was the guy that Knowlton wanted. Forget Monty, forget Jay John, forget a search firm recommendations, if Knowlton was making the decision on his own, assuming Randy Bennett wasn't an option (and maybe even if he was), Mark Madsen had, more than the other alleged finalists, the qualities that Knowlton wanted.
Like Fox, Madsen was Knowlton hiring the guy Knowlton wanted. Unlike Fox, Madsen isn't a proven power conference loser, which means, unlike Fox, we can at least hope this one will work out.
The biggest problem, however, is that Knowlton didn't continue the listening process and build a consensus around that decision, as you point out needs to be done. I am hopeful that key stakeholders decide that Knowlton is a moron and they can't do anything about it, but decide (with Madsen's help) that Madsen is worthy of support.
It's like Bill Walton rolled back and never having dropped acid.GoCal80 said:
Hard to picture Mark Fox doing this:Coach Madsen has arrived in Bear Territory! 👋@madsen_mark x #GoBears pic.twitter.com/GYFkrMul5h
— Cal Basketball (@CalMBBall) April 3, 2023
he's truly embracing the Bears, nice job Mad Dogrkt88edmo said:It's like Bill Walton rolled back and never having dropped acid.GoCal80 said:
Hard to picture Mark Fox doing this:Coach Madsen has arrived in Bear Territory! 👋@madsen_mark x #GoBears pic.twitter.com/GYFkrMul5h
— Cal Basketball (@CalMBBall) April 3, 2023
Leon Powe as assistant coach?Shocky1 said:
https://instagr.am/p/Cqle-P-jJkg
exclusive monster 2023/2024 mark madsen roster construction plan:
the ncca allows 13 schollys for men's basketball, last season the roster wuz as follows with new 2023 players in special font:
guards:
devin askew (not a true point guard, coach cal recruited him to kentucky as a 2)
joel brown (in graduate transfer portal, haas biz ad degree)
dejuan clayton (outta eligibility but aarp membership is in his future plans)
jarred hyder (in graduate transfer portal, legal studies degree)
rodney brown (2023 recommitment sharpshooter, alan crabbe is the cal player comparison)
wings:
grant newell (the future of cal basketball)
jalen celestine (apparently healthy & ready to growl again)
sam alajiki (in transfer portal)
obinna anyanwu (got major maturity issues but also athletic upside too)
monty bowser (how do u shoot 92.6% on free throws & 27.3% on 3 pointers?)
marsalis roberson (broken down shooting mechanics, needs to live in the gym this offseason)
posts:
lars thieman (in graduate transfer portal, nutrition science major)
kuany kuany (in graduate transfer portal, sociology major)
nd okafor (huge athletic upside)
devin curtis (2023 recommitment bouncy post gotta live in the weight room & eat 5 meals a day)
right now coach masden got 7 returning players & 2 2023 recruits for a total of 9 players
point guard utah valley's trey woodbury is not in the transfer portal yet like several of his teammates as he awaits hopefully approval from the ncca for another year of eligiblity due to injury, trey is the #1 priority at the 1 as a j kidd kinda true facilitator/distributor that can knock down free throws with ice in his veins with a physical style of play...stanford's isa silva from sacramento is also a possibility as is joel brown returning as a locker room leader/potential back up role
at the post utah valley's aziz bandaogo & texas tech (played the previous year to thi season at utah valley) fardaws aimaq are elite talents, either one could lead the pac 12 in rebounding next season but will the necessary nil dollars be fundraised?...if both could somehow be signed to play together as a 4 & 5, then the bears would be a 20+ win ncca team next year...bet
the monster's take is that with youth on the squad (currently no schollys opening up after the 2023 season with the current 9 players) that coach masden will bring in 2 more players (potentially a 3rd if it's an impact player that is the right fit) & save 2 schollys for the 2024 class once the full staff is assembled which at this moment in time will not include either jerome randle or john montgomery
SBGold said:he's truly embracing the Bears, nice job Mad Dogrkt88edmo said:It's like Bill Walton rolled back and never having dropped acid.GoCal80 said:
Hard to picture Mark Fox doing this:Coach Madsen has arrived in Bear Territory! 👋@madsen_mark x #GoBears pic.twitter.com/GYFkrMul5h
— Cal Basketball (@CalMBBall) April 3, 2023
oskidunker said:
Leon Powe as assistant coach?
My Journey❤️ pic.twitter.com/JkoR19u4Ve
— Harrison (@Harrisoniingram) April 4, 2023
eastcoastcal said:
Any idea if Harrison Ingram (Stanford) is a target? (May be commanding more in NIL than we can afford)My Journey❤️ pic.twitter.com/JkoR19u4Ve
— Harrison (@Harrisoniingram) April 4, 2023
The magic is coming back to Haas, Shockster. You got walked to your car. Let me walk you back into the building and onto our floor.Shocky1 said:
how did the bears get to this position where we might have an epic dream team collection of 4 & 5 star ballers/friends who might potentially lead cal to the final 4?
monty recongized that while jay john (formerly lute olson's tactical right arm) is a strong technician and teacher that the bears recruiting needed a jump start particularly as monty is not going to attend 200 hs/aau games a year...as recruits seemingly expect coaches to attend every game, recruiting has become a young coach's game...so monty moved john to the asst ad for basketball development which freed up the bears to have 3 tireless and relentless road warriors on the recruiting trail: decuire, gottlieb and monty jr
next move was to promote travis decuire to associate head coach...imo decruire will be the next head bb coach at cal...should be noted that when bird called to commit he called decuire 1st and then monty...numerous recruits including both bird and matthews have mentioned their strong relationships with decuire
then monty hired the perfect graduate manager, theo robertson (played tenancious d/consumate team player/high achievement student)...young players/recruits have already gravitated toward this likely future asst coach
roster clearing with the transfers of murray and rossi who both could see the handwriting on the wall that they were never going to play any meaningful minutes on sweet 16 and better teams...it should be pointed out that both are hardworking kids and that that they left in good academic standing which means the apr hit for cal will be minimzed
sami not qualifying by a mile (or a kilometer for that matter) also opened up another spot
so the bears are now left with 12 scholly players on the roster (13 allowed by the ncaa) with bak bak, smith and the thurminator all graduating which means we currently have 4 schollys to offer for 2013
with the humble ringleader jabari bird and his dad carl in the fold, jordan matthews (interested in haas biz ad, dad is an asst coach at ucla/former usf hc) hopefully commiting this weekend during his official visit, marcus lee's mother (moms know best) favoring cal the most and the bears still in the running for sammy singer (over 30 ppg avg as a jr, nov 10th official visit), german export/import schilling, blue collar jones, hamilton and maybe brown (dad is the lakers hc) and of course the grand prize, aaron gordon, cal recruiting is in a potentially spectacular position for success
you think the powe, ubaka, kately, and mcguire class was comparable?...other than ayinde, the rest were marginal students (and this is not a knock on leon powe whose unsettled early years are a source of inspiration in beating the odds) and the inevitable transfers/nba departures ensued
bird has a gpa over 3.00 and matthews rocks a 3.55 gpa...lee has a 3.2 gpa with an interest in child psychology with english & history as his best subjects and considered duke, gordon had stanford on his list, singer has a 3.4 gpa at an academically tough hs and is also considering both stanford and harvard...monty and decuire are recruiting great student athletes, not just great basketball players like braun's earlier class
2014 is also shaping up with the early commit from amhaad rorie, a seatle pg who is blowing up on the national scene with a 25 ppg avg as only a soph and a heady 3.8 gpa
hopefully local 5 star ivan rabb from bishop o'dowd will decide to be the ringleader for the 2015 class
#1 ranked public university in the world-university of california, berekeley
dominoes baby#
tequila, back in the day, shocky wrote this initial post for cal's monster class which became a massive obsession/journey of a lifetime which resulted in a thread with 5,000,000+ views which is the largest thread in the history of college basketball message boards & resulted in me attending almost 150 consecutive games home (which is still a 1500 mile roundtrip from north scottsdale) & away in my duties as the director of recruiting/gameday energy that resulted in treasured relationships that will last a lifetime
https://bearinsider.com/forums/8/topics/11616/1
i honestly thought from the bottom of my heart that with our monster recruited starting line up of t-wall at the 1, the bird at the 2, jaylen brown at the 3, ivan rabb at the 4, caleb swanigan (a silent commit) at the 5 and j-mat as the best 6th man in the nation with kam & the king as strong back up post players that we wuz gonna win a national championship in berkeley
and then for reasons that are still not 100% clear to me cal's monster class wuz terminated which came as an unsettling shock/kick in the azz
https://instagr.am/p/CqnyFlzMVzR
but that's life, shocky got walked to his car & everyone moved on, cal basketball wuz 3-28 last season (yawn)
the shockster now got new priorities in life that are a matter of life & death
still tryna keep an open mind re: potentially falling in love again (the future is unknowable for all of us), the construction of coach madsen's staff will be absolutely critical to the trajectory of the program (listed in alphabetical order):
ben braun: would be receptive to discussions re: a role with the new staff
jaylen brown: next contract could be the nba's supermax payout of $290,000,000+, my yoga buddy will not actively support cal basketball until there is a new athletic director
justin labagh: the former cal walk-on is the winningest coach in the history of college basketball, very happy at san francisco city college (now with chair status) & thinks mark madsen is "a great guy, a great person"
jordan mathews: playing very well right now overseas, thinks he can move up another euro level to a bigger stage pursuing his hoop dreams
richard midgley: former bears sharpshooter is now a scout for the new jersey, would be receptive to discussing a potential position with the new staff
jordan mathews: playing very well right now overseas, thinks he can move up another euro level to a bigger stage pursuing his hoop dreams
leon powe: teams actively recruit against cal scaring players that "ur gonna flunk out in berkeley," leon as a former homeless kid living out of a car in oakland would be an absolute home run hire in speaking with moms on the recruiting trail that their sons can earn berkeley degrees
ivan rabb: the ncca created the 2 new development assistant coaching positions effective july 1st with the intent of getting former players to return to campus to earn their degrees, young ivee would be a perfect candidate to work with the bigs while finishing his last 2 years of academic work so he can hang his berkeley diploma next to his younger brother tamarik's diploma who went to a junior college before earning a coveted haas biz ad degree
jerome randle: offered a developmental coach position on the staff by coach madsen but cannot accept it at this time for non basketball related reasons, rome truly bleeds blue & gold
lou richie: the legendary bishop o'dowd head coach would be receptive to discussions with coach madsen, brian shaw has told him that mark wuz "the best teammate" in his nba career
theo robertson: interviewed with coach madsen, no decision yet
scott thom: the minnesota timberwolves performance coach would be a home run hire in returning him to the bay, a tireless worker that customizes his programs based upon the player's individual needs
ayinde ubaka: oakland's soul of mischief needs to finish off his berkeley degree
mr x: a former head coach who is older than madsen (47 years old) who will be hired as the associate head coach
this video kinda sums it all up, life is not linear, love u sweetie
the underdog (someone who rebels against reality then becomes the most dangerous person on earth#
big loss for stanfordBig C said:eastcoastcal said:
Any idea if Harrison Ingram (Stanford) is a target? (May be commanding more in NIL than we can afford)My Journey❤️ pic.twitter.com/JkoR19u4Ve
— Harrison (@Harrisoniingram) April 4, 2023
Will the last Stanfurd basketball player to leave please remember to turn out the lights! Oh wait, Coach Haase is still there...
Ivan Rabb would be a home run hireShocky1 said:
how did the bears get to this position where we might have an epic dream team collection of 4 & 5 star ballers/friends who might potentially lead cal to the final 4?
monty recongized that while jay john (formerly lute olson's tactical right arm) is a strong technician and teacher that the bears recruiting needed a jump start particularly as monty is not going to attend 200 hs/aau games a year...as recruits seemingly expect coaches to attend every game, recruiting has become a young coach's game...so monty moved john to the asst ad for basketball development which freed up the bears to have 3 tireless and relentless road warriors on the recruiting trail: decuire, gottlieb and monty jr
next move was to promote travis decuire to associate head coach...imo decruire will be the next head bb coach at cal...should be noted that when bird called to commit he called decuire 1st and then monty...numerous recruits including both bird and matthews have mentioned their strong relationships with decuire
then monty hired the perfect graduate manager, theo robertson (played tenancious d/consumate team player/high achievement student)...young players/recruits have already gravitated toward this likely future asst coach
roster clearing with the transfers of murray and rossi who both could see the handwriting on the wall that they were never going to play any meaningful minutes on sweet 16 and better teams...it should be pointed out that both are hardworking kids and that that they left in good academic standing which means the apr hit for cal will be minimzed
sami not qualifying by a mile (or a kilometer for that matter) also opened up another spot
so the bears are now left with 12 scholly players on the roster (13 allowed by the ncaa) with bak bak, smith and the thurminator all graduating which means we currently have 4 schollys to offer for 2013
with the humble ringleader jabari bird and his dad carl in the fold, jordan matthews (interested in haas biz ad, dad is an asst coach at ucla/former usf hc) hopefully commiting this weekend during his official visit, marcus lee's mother (moms know best) favoring cal the most and the bears still in the running for sammy singer (over 30 ppg avg as a jr, nov 10th official visit), german export/import schilling, blue collar jones, hamilton and maybe brown (dad is the lakers hc) and of course the grand prize, aaron gordon, cal recruiting is in a potentially spectacular position for success
you think the powe, ubaka, kately, and mcguire class was comparable?...other than ayinde, the rest were marginal students (and this is not a knock on leon powe whose unsettled early years are a source of inspiration in beating the odds) and the inevitable transfers/nba departures ensued
bird has a gpa over 3.00 and matthews rocks a 3.55 gpa...lee has a 3.2 gpa with an interest in child psychology with english & history as his best subjects and considered duke, gordon had stanford on his list, singer has a 3.4 gpa at an academically tough hs and is also considering both stanford and harvard...monty and decuire are recruiting great student athletes, not just great basketball players like braun's earlier class
2014 is also shaping up with the early commit from amhaad rorie, a seatle pg who is blowing up on the national scene with a 25 ppg avg as only a soph and a heady 3.8 gpa
hopefully local 5 star ivan rabb from bishop o'dowd will decide to be the ringleader for the 2015 class
#1 ranked public university in the world-university of california, berekeley
dominoes baby#
tequila, back in the day, shocky wrote this initial post for cal's monster class which became a massive obsession/journey of a lifetime which resulted in a thread with 5,000,000+ views which is the largest thread in the history of college basketball message boards & resulted in me attending almost 150 consecutive games home (which is still a 1500 mile roundtrip from north scottsdale) & away in my duties as the director of recruiting/gameday energy that resulted in treasured relationships that will last a lifetime
https://bearinsider.com/forums/8/topics/11616/1
i honestly thought from the bottom of my heart that with our monster recruited starting line up of t-wall at the 1, the bird at the 2, jaylen brown at the 3, ivan rabb at the 4, caleb swanigan (a silent commit) at the 5 and j-mat as the best 6th man in the nation with kam & the king as strong back up post players that we wuz gonna win a national championship in berkeley
and then for reasons that are still not 100% clear to me cal's monster class wuz terminated which came as an unsettling shock/kick in the azz
https://instagr.am/p/CqnyFlzMVzR
but that's life, shocky got walked to his car & everyone moved on, cal basketball wuz 3-28 last season (yawn)
the shockster now got new priorities in life that are a matter of life & death
still tryna keep an open mind re: potentially falling in love again (the future is unknowable for all of us), the construction of coach madsen's staff will be absolutely critical to the trajectory of the program (listed in alphabetical order):
ben braun: would be receptive to discussions re: a role with the new staff
jaylen brown: next contract could be the nba's supermax payout of $290,000,000+, my yoga buddy will not actively support cal basketball until there is a new athletic director
justin labagh: the former cal walk-on is the winningest coach in the history of college basketball, very happy at san francisco city college (now with chair status) & thinks mark madsen is "a great guy, a great person"
jordan mathews: playing very well right now overseas, thinks he can move up another euro level to a bigger stage pursuing his hoop dreams
richard midgley: former bears sharpshooter is now a scout for the new jersey, would be receptive to discussing a potential position with the new staff
jordan mathews: playing very well right now overseas, thinks he can move up another euro level to a bigger stage pursuing his hoop dreams
leon powe: teams actively recruit against cal scaring players that "ur gonna flunk out in berkeley," leon as a former homeless kid living out of a car in oakland would be an absolute home run hire in speaking with moms on the recruiting trail that their sons can earn berkeley degrees
ivan rabb: the ncca created the 2 new development assistant coaching positions effective july 1st with the intent of getting former players to return to campus to earn their degrees, young ivee would be a perfect candidate to work with the bigs while finishing his last 2 years of academic work so he can hang his berkeley diploma next to his younger brother tamarik's diploma who went to a junior college before earning a coveted haas biz ad degree
jerome randle: offered a developmental coach position on the staff by coach madsen but cannot accept it at this time for non basketball related reasons, rome truly bleeds blue & gold
lou richie: the legendary bishop o'dowd head coach would be receptive to discussions with coach madsen, brian shaw has told him that mark wuz "the best teammate" in his nba career
theo robertson: interviewed with coach madsen, no decision yet
scott thom: the minnesota timberwolves performance coach would be a home run hire in returning him to the bay, a tireless worker that customizes his programs based upon the player's individual needs
ayinde ubaka: oakland's soul of mischief needs to finish off his berkeley degree
mr x: a former head coach who is older than madsen (47 years old) who will be hired as the associate head coach
this video kinda sums it all up, life is not linear, love u sweetie
the underdog (someone who rebels against reality then becomes the most dangerous person on earth#
I'll let out a primal scream if that hire occursHoopDreams said:Ivan Rabb would be a home run hireShocky1 said:
how did the bears get to this position where we might have an epic dream team collection of 4 & 5 star ballers/friends who might potentially lead cal to the final 4?
monty recongized that while jay john (formerly lute olson's tactical right arm) is a strong technician and teacher that the bears recruiting needed a jump start particularly as monty is not going to attend 200 hs/aau games a year...as recruits seemingly expect coaches to attend every game, recruiting has become a young coach's game...so monty moved john to the asst ad for basketball development which freed up the bears to have 3 tireless and relentless road warriors on the recruiting trail: decuire, gottlieb and monty jr
next move was to promote travis decuire to associate head coach...imo decruire will be the next head bb coach at cal...should be noted that when bird called to commit he called decuire 1st and then monty...numerous recruits including both bird and matthews have mentioned their strong relationships with decuire
then monty hired the perfect graduate manager, theo robertson (played tenancious d/consumate team player/high achievement student)...young players/recruits have already gravitated toward this likely future asst coach
roster clearing with the transfers of murray and rossi who both could see the handwriting on the wall that they were never going to play any meaningful minutes on sweet 16 and better teams...it should be pointed out that both are hardworking kids and that that they left in good academic standing which means the apr hit for cal will be minimzed
sami not qualifying by a mile (or a kilometer for that matter) also opened up another spot
so the bears are now left with 12 scholly players on the roster (13 allowed by the ncaa) with bak bak, smith and the thurminator all graduating which means we currently have 4 schollys to offer for 2013
with the humble ringleader jabari bird and his dad carl in the fold, jordan matthews (interested in haas biz ad, dad is an asst coach at ucla/former usf hc) hopefully commiting this weekend during his official visit, marcus lee's mother (moms know best) favoring cal the most and the bears still in the running for sammy singer (over 30 ppg avg as a jr, nov 10th official visit), german export/import schilling, blue collar jones, hamilton and maybe brown (dad is the lakers hc) and of course the grand prize, aaron gordon, cal recruiting is in a potentially spectacular position for success
you think the powe, ubaka, kately, and mcguire class was comparable?...other than ayinde, the rest were marginal students (and this is not a knock on leon powe whose unsettled early years are a source of inspiration in beating the odds) and the inevitable transfers/nba departures ensued
bird has a gpa over 3.00 and matthews rocks a 3.55 gpa...lee has a 3.2 gpa with an interest in child psychology with english & history as his best subjects and considered duke, gordon had stanford on his list, singer has a 3.4 gpa at an academically tough hs and is also considering both stanford and harvard...monty and decuire are recruiting great student athletes, not just great basketball players like braun's earlier class
2014 is also shaping up with the early commit from amhaad rorie, a seatle pg who is blowing up on the national scene with a 25 ppg avg as only a soph and a heady 3.8 gpa
hopefully local 5 star ivan rabb from bishop o'dowd will decide to be the ringleader for the 2015 class
#1 ranked public university in the world-university of california, berekeley
dominoes baby#
tequila, back in the day, shocky wrote this initial post for cal's monster class which became a massive obsession/journey of a lifetime which resulted in a thread with 5,000,000+ views which is the largest thread in the history of college basketball message boards & resulted in me attending almost 150 consecutive games home (which is still a 1500 mile roundtrip from north scottsdale) & away in my duties as the director of recruiting/gameday energy that resulted in treasured relationships that will last a lifetime
https://bearinsider.com/forums/8/topics/11616/1
i honestly thought from the bottom of my heart that with our monster recruited starting line up of t-wall at the 1, the bird at the 2, jaylen brown at the 3, ivan rabb at the 4, caleb swanigan (a silent commit) at the 5 and j-mat as the best 6th man in the nation with kam & the king as strong back up post players that we wuz gonna win a national championship in berkeley
and then for reasons that are still not 100% clear to me cal's monster class wuz terminated which came as an unsettling shock/kick in the azz
https://instagr.am/p/CqnyFlzMVzR
but that's life, shocky got walked to his car & everyone moved on, cal basketball wuz 3-28 last season (yawn)
the shockster now got new priorities in life that are a matter of life & death
still tryna keep an open mind re: potentially falling in love again (the future is unknowable for all of us), the construction of coach madsen's staff will be absolutely critical to the trajectory of the program (listed in alphabetical order):
ben braun: would be receptive to discussions re: a role with the new staff
jaylen brown: next contract could be the nba's supermax payout of $290,000,000+, my yoga buddy will not actively support cal basketball until there is a new athletic director
justin labagh: the former cal walk-on is the winningest coach in the history of college basketball, very happy at san francisco city college (now with chair status) & thinks mark madsen is "a great guy, a great person"
jordan mathews: playing very well right now overseas, thinks he can move up another euro level to a bigger stage pursuing his hoop dreams
richard midgley: former bears sharpshooter is now a scout for the new jersey, would be receptive to discussing a potential position with the new staff
jordan mathews: playing very well right now overseas, thinks he can move up another euro level to a bigger stage pursuing his hoop dreams
leon powe: teams actively recruit against cal scaring players that "ur gonna flunk out in berkeley," leon as a former homeless kid living out of a car in oakland would be an absolute home run hire in speaking with moms on the recruiting trail that their sons can earn berkeley degrees
ivan rabb: the ncca created the 2 new development assistant coaching positions effective july 1st with the intent of getting former players to return to campus to earn their degrees, young ivee would be a perfect candidate to work with the bigs while finishing his last 2 years of academic work so he can hang his berkeley diploma next to his younger brother tamarik's diploma who went to a junior college before earning a coveted haas biz ad degree
jerome randle: offered a developmental coach position on the staff by coach madsen but cannot accept it at this time for non basketball related reasons, rome truly bleeds blue & gold
lou richie: the legendary bishop o'dowd head coach would be receptive to discussions with coach madsen, brian shaw has told him that mark wuz "the best teammate" in his nba career
theo robertson: interviewed with coach madsen, no decision yet
scott thom: the minnesota timberwolves performance coach would be a home run hire in returning him to the bay, a tireless worker that customizes his programs based upon the player's individual needs
ayinde ubaka: oakland's soul of mischief needs to finish off his berkeley degree
mr x: a former head coach who is older than madsen (47 years old) who will be hired as the associate head coach
this video kinda sums it all up, life is not linear, love u sweetie
the underdog (someone who rebels against reality then becomes the most dangerous person on earth#
The writing is on the wall...welcome back shocky...Shocky1 said:
how did the bears get to this position where we might have an epic dream team collection of 4 & 5 star ballers/friends who might potentially lead cal to the final 4?
monty recongized that while jay john (formerly lute olson's tactical right arm) is a strong technician and teacher that the bears recruiting needed a jump start particularly as monty is not going to attend 200 hs/aau games a year...as recruits seemingly expect coaches to attend every game, recruiting has become a young coach's game...so monty moved john to the asst ad for basketball development which freed up the bears to have 3 tireless and relentless road warriors on the recruiting trail: decuire, gottlieb and monty jr
next move was to promote travis decuire to associate head coach...imo decruire will be the next head bb coach at cal...should be noted that when bird called to commit he called decuire 1st and then monty...numerous recruits including both bird and matthews have mentioned their strong relationships with decuire
then monty hired the perfect graduate manager, theo robertson (played tenancious d/consumate team player/high achievement student)...young players/recruits have already gravitated toward this likely future asst coach
roster clearing with the transfers of murray and rossi who both could see the handwriting on the wall that they were never going to play any meaningful minutes on sweet 16 and better teams...it should be pointed out that both are hardworking kids and that that they left in good academic standing which means the apr hit for cal will be minimzed
sami not qualifying by a mile (or a kilometer for that matter) also opened up another spot
so the bears are now left with 12 scholly players on the roster (13 allowed by the ncaa) with bak bak, smith and the thurminator all graduating which means we currently have 4 schollys to offer for 2013
with the humble ringleader jabari bird and his dad carl in the fold, jordan matthews (interested in haas biz ad, dad is an asst coach at ucla/former usf hc) hopefully commiting this weekend during his official visit, marcus lee's mother (moms know best) favoring cal the most and the bears still in the running for sammy singer (over 30 ppg avg as a jr, nov 10th official visit), german export/import schilling, blue collar jones, hamilton and maybe brown (dad is the lakers hc) and of course the grand prize, aaron gordon, cal recruiting is in a potentially spectacular position for success
you think the powe, ubaka, kately, and mcguire class was comparable?...other than ayinde, the rest were marginal students (and this is not a knock on leon powe whose unsettled early years are a source of inspiration in beating the odds) and the inevitable transfers/nba departures ensued
bird has a gpa over 3.00 and matthews rocks a 3.55 gpa...lee has a 3.2 gpa with an interest in child psychology with english & history as his best subjects and considered duke, gordon had stanford on his list, singer has a 3.4 gpa at an academically tough hs and is also considering both stanford and harvard...monty and decuire are recruiting great student athletes, not just great basketball players like braun's earlier class
2014 is also shaping up with the early commit from amhaad rorie, a seatle pg who is blowing up on the national scene with a 25 ppg avg as only a soph and a heady 3.8 gpa
hopefully local 5 star ivan rabb from bishop o'dowd will decide to be the ringleader for the 2015 class
#1 ranked public university in the world-university of california, berekeley
dominoes baby#
tequila, back in the day, shocky wrote this initial post for cal's monster class which became a massive obsession/journey of a lifetime which resulted in a thread with 5,000,000+ views which is the largest thread in the history of college basketball message boards & resulted in me attending almost 150 consecutive games home (which is still a 1500 mile roundtrip from north scottsdale) & away in my duties as the director of recruiting/gameday energy that resulted in treasured relationships that will last a lifetime
https://bearinsider.com/forums/8/topics/11616/1
i honestly thought from the bottom of my heart that with our monster recruited starting line up of t-wall at the 1, the bird at the 2, jaylen brown at the 3, ivan rabb at the 4, caleb swanigan (a silent commit) at the 5 and j-mat as the best 6th man in the nation with kam & the king as strong back up post players that we wuz gonna win a national championship in berkeley
and then for reasons that are still not 100% clear to me cal's monster class wuz terminated which came as an unsettling shock/kick in the azz
https://instagr.am/p/CqnyFlzMVzR
but that's life, shocky got walked to his car & everyone moved on, cal basketball wuz 3-28 last season (yawn)
the shockster now got new priorities in life that are a matter of life & death
still tryna keep an open mind re: potentially falling in love again (the future is unknowable for all of us), the construction of coach madsen's staff will be absolutely critical to the trajectory of the program (listed in alphabetical order):
ben braun: would be receptive to discussions re: a role with the new staff
jaylen brown: next contract could be the nba's supermax payout of $290,000,000+, my yoga buddy will not actively support cal basketball until there is a new athletic director
justin labagh: the former cal walk-on is the winningest coach in the history of college basketball, very happy at san francisco city college (now with chair status) & thinks mark madsen is "a great guy, a great person"
jordan mathews: playing very well right now overseas, thinks he can move up another euro level to a bigger stage pursuing his hoop dreams
richard midgley: former bears sharpshooter is now a scout for the new jersey, would be receptive to discussing a potential position with the new staff
jordan mathews: playing very well right now overseas, thinks he can move up another euro level to a bigger stage pursuing his hoop dreams
leon powe: teams actively recruit against cal scaring players that "ur gonna flunk out in berkeley," leon as a former homeless kid living out of a car in oakland would be an absolute home run hire in speaking with moms on the recruiting trail that their sons can earn berkeley degrees
ivan rabb: the ncca created the 2 new development assistant coaching positions effective july 1st with the intent of getting former players to return to campus to earn their degrees, young ivee would be a perfect candidate to work with the bigs while finishing his last 2 years of academic work so he can hang his berkeley diploma next to his younger brother tamarik's diploma who went to a junior college before earning a coveted haas biz ad degree
jerome randle: offered a developmental coach position on the staff by coach madsen but cannot accept it at this time for non basketball related reasons, rome truly bleeds blue & gold
lou richie: the legendary bishop o'dowd head coach would be receptive to discussions with coach madsen, brian shaw has told him that mark wuz "the best teammate" in his nba career
theo robertson: interviewed with coach madsen, no decision yet
scott thom: the minnesota timberwolves performance coach would be a home run hire in returning him to the bay, a tireless worker that customizes his programs based upon the player's individual needs
ayinde ubaka: oakland's soul of mischief needs to finish off his berkeley degree
mr x: a former head coach who is older than madsen (47 years old) who will be hired as the associate head coach
this video kinda sums it all up, life is not linear, love u sweetie
the underdog (someone who rebels against reality then becomes the most dangerous person on earth#
This would be awesome. It would add a strong Cal presence (which MM alluded to in his press conf) and dilute any of our 'furd worries. As in "doing it together"calumnus said:oskidunker said:Leon Powe as assistant coach?Shocky1 said:
https://instagr.am/p/Cqle-P-jJkg
exclusive monster 2023/2024 mark madsen roster construction plan:
the ncca allows 13 schollys for men's basketball, last season the roster wuz as follows with new 2023 players in special font:
guards:
devin askew (not a true point guard, coach cal recruited him to kentucky as a 2)
joel brown (in graduate transfer portal, haas biz ad degree)
dejuan clayton (outta eligibility but aarp membership is in his future plans)
jarred hyder (in graduate transfer portal, legal studies degree)
rodney brown (2023 recommitment sharpshooter, alan crabbe is the cal player comparison)
wings:
grant newell (the future of cal basketball)
jalen celestine (apparently healthy & ready to growl again)
sam alajiki (in transfer portal)
obinna anyanwu (got major maturity issues but also athletic upside too)
monty bowser (how do u shoot 92.6% on free throws & 27.3% on 3 pointers?)
marsalis roberson (broken down shooting mechanics, needs to live in the gym this offseason)
posts:
lars thieman (in graduate transfer portal, nutrition science major)
kuany kuany (in graduate transfer portal, sociology major)
nd okafor (huge athletic upside)
devin curtis (2023 recommitment bouncy post gotta live in the weight room & eat 5 meals a day)
right now coach masden got 7 returning players & 2 2023 recruits for a total of 9 players
point guard utah valley's trey woodbury is not in the transfer portal yet like several of his teammates as he awaits hopefully approval from the ncca for another year of eligiblity due to injury, trey is the #1 priority at the 1 as a j kidd kinda true facilitator/distributor that can knock down free throws with ice in his veins with a physical style of play...stanford's isa silva from sacramento is also a possibility as is joel brown returning as a locker room leader/potential back up role
at the post utah valley's aziz bandaogo & texas tech (played the previous year to thi season at utah valley) fardaws aimaq are elite talents, either one could lead the pac 12 in rebounding next season but will the necessary nil dollars be fundraised?...if both could somehow be signed to play together as a 4 & 5, then the bears would be a 20+ win ncca team next year...bet
the monster's take is that with youth on the squad (currently no schollys opening up after the 2023 season with the current 9 players) that coach masden will bring in 2 more players (potentially a 3rd if it's an impact player that is the right fit) & save 2 schollys for the 2024 class once the full staff is assembled which at this moment in time will not include either jerome randle or john montgomery
Would be awesome