Looks like warriors pick again at #41, and Bol Bol is still alive.
6 more picks?
6 more picks?
concordtom said:
Nbadraft.net says what I'm feeling
28. Jordan Poole | 6-5 | 190 | PG/SG | Michigan | 20
The Michigan swingman shows promise as a catch-and-shoot threat, but he is a huge reach for the Warriors at this point in the draft. Many scouts and NBA insiders were surprised to find out Poole was staying in the draft, but it's hard to argue against the decision, as he now has a fully guaranteed first-round-pick contract. He needs to work on his strength, conditioning, and ball-handling, but Poole can fill it up from beyond the arc. Look for Poole to spend some time in the G-League before stepping on the court with Steph and Klay.
It is always hard to assess a player's potential for growth.concordtom said:
Nbadraft.net says what I'm feeling
28. Jordan Poole | 6-5 | 190 | PG/SG | Michigan | 20
The Michigan swingman shows promise as a catch-and-shoot threat, but he is a huge reach for the Warriors at this point in the draft. Many scouts and NBA insiders were surprised to find out Poole was staying in the draft, but it's hard to argue against the decision, as he now has a fully guaranteed first-round-pick contract. He needs to work on his strength, conditioning, and ball-handling, but Poole can fill it up from beyond the arc. Look for Poole to spend some time in the G-League before stepping on the court with Steph and Klay. He's not so much a Splash Brother yet - maybe more of a Splash Step-Cousin.
Or as Poole said after being picked, maybe a "Splash Drip".
Well, can we agree that the significance we should give some analysts is fairly arbitrary?concordtom said:
But "some analyst(s)" may be all we have, until he hits the court.
So, yes, it's taken at face value.
oski003 said:
I will answer that with my original statement, which is as far as I am willing to go on this.
He's going to love signing with the team that pressured him to play and misevaluated him medically, leading to a career crushing injury.
That is SUCH a misleading headline and URL. They intentionally swapped "fratured" for "broken" and left out "bone" from the representation of Iggy's quote, which is this:oski003 said:oski003 said:
I will answer that with my original statement, which is as far as I am willing to go on this.
He's going to love signing with the team that pressured him to play and misevaluated him medically, leading to a career crushing injury.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/andre-iguodala-i-broke-my-leg-last-year-but-warriors-called-it-just-a-bruise/ar-AADpsMW?li=BBnb7Kz
While frature and broke are medically interchangable, according to doctors the vast majority of people think they refer to severity (broken v fracture does impact how you treat them). Broken just sounds worse than fractured. What's worse tho is bone bruise IS in fact worse than just a "bruise." The latter, (in almost every understanding when no qualifier is used), is a skin level occurrence that sounds like "rub some dirt on it and walk it off..." the former is much more serious.Quote:
And I had a fractured leg. But it's being put out there like, "You've got a bone bruise."
GBear4Life said:
GS should trade Iggy if possible (not because of comments)
Absolutely, I will take back my comment on us both making mistakes. I am the one who made the mistake, not you. I also commend you on a very good post, and for taking the time to look for the shot chart and videos to prove me wrong. That takes work, and I appreciate you doing it, because I don't like to make mistakes, and do want to be corrected when I'm wrong on any facts.GMP said:SFCityBear said:Curry was actually 3-10 on threes, before the final shot. My mistake.GMP said:SFCityBear said:My goodness, here comes another one, this time seeming to actually try and quote what I wrote.Please go back and read it again. I said Iggy WAS, not IS the best shooter. in one particular game up to that point (who was still on the floor). I agree that shooting percentages around the rim are probably better for most players than at 3-pt range. I'd add mid-range might be better too. I also agree on refs not willing to make a call in the final seconds.cal83dls79 said:me too, this hypothetical was taxing , especially when it got to the "iggy is your best shooter assumption".sycasey said:ducky23 said:sycasey said:SFCityBear said:I have lots of problems with it. Your best shooter in this game was Iguodala. The play the Warriors ran had Iguodala inbounding the ball, so he could not be a decoy to start the play, could not be used to take a shot and it left him nowhere near the basket to rebound. It put maybe your best rebounder,, Green, .and stuck him in the corner, also in no position to rebound. Kerr deferred to Curry on the three, based more on Curry's reputation as a great player, even though Kerr had not been shooting well in that game. In that game, I'd want a play at the basket, Curry along with any one oft the three, Iguodala, Cousins, or Green, on a pick and roll or something, before I'd shoot a long two or a three. I'd be more inclined to go with the hot shooter in the game, if you insist on an outside shot, rather than the shooter who has shot the best in previous games or in the season. You got the play you wanted, I guess. The play was well executed, the defense made a couple mistakes, the great shooter was left open, and the play failed. In the end, it was a lower percentage play than any of the others i mentioned, and I believe in playing percentages.sycasey said:SFCityBear said:Curry was not triple-teamed at all. I thought so too, originally, but I found a replay from a better angle and watched it several times. The play began with Curry being guarded man-to-man by Van Vleet. Cousins was positioned at the top of the key, guarded by Ibaka. Curry cut past Cousins, completely losing Van Vleet on the pick. No switch was called, apparently, and Ibaka was slow to react to having to switch. Green was on the sideline, guarded by Sikiam. Curry caught the pass with not a single defender on him, only Van Fleet trying to catch up to him from far behind, and Ibaka running too late to get to Curry and bother his shot. Sikiam stayed with Green the whole time, and did not leave him to help out on guarding Curry, which was not the way it looked when I first watched the game live on TV from a different angle. Green had stepped out of bounds, but Sikiam did not react, when he should have left Green to help guard Curry, which he did not do. Curry was not triple-teamed or double-teamed on the play. In fact he was not guarded at all by anybody, really, and the play was well-executed, along with a little bit of luck that Iguodala's cross-court pass to Green was completed.sycasey said:Yogi Bear said:https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/curryst01/shooting/2019sycasey said:
Curry is very good at splitting doubles and getting to the rim, but because of his size he still has problems finishing there.
65.3% on shots at rim
I'm talking about in this situation (triple teamed with 9 seconds to shoot), not overall.
The play itself was fine, except that they could have picked a better spot to shoot from, perhaps. Curry took the shot from right where the three point line shortens, giving the shooter only a narrow space to shoot from, backed up against the sideline. The sideline comes into play, forcing the player into the small space, and is almost like having another defender.
I think there was a reasonable expectation (calling the play in the huddle) that the defense would have collapsed on Curry as soon as he tried to cut to the basket or had the ball. It's possible the Raptors screw it up, but that's what they had executed all series on defense, particularly when Klay or KD were not playing.
So I have no issue with the play call.
LOL
Iguodala is streaky, but no one really believes he's the best shooter.
Anyway, I'm done debating this pure hypothetical.
Lol I'm surprised you lasted as long as you did.
Once someone starts arguing that iggy is your best shooter, I'm pretty sure it's time to stop
That was definitely the signal.
I was ok with the shot. Finishing around the rim wasn't the issue it was getting to the rim that was troublesome.
I would also submit that most(if not all) players have a higher percentage around the rim than at 3 pt range ...I know I do and I would venture to think Yogi and maybe even SFCity might as well.. I could very well be wrong. I thought they might find a way to get the ball to Boogie down low. Alas they did not. But depending on a foul in this situation is risky as they rarely want to call these at the end of a game with such high stakes My goodness
Your point is not well-taken, in part because you also use some suspect stats. You said, "Curry was 6-16 overall and 3-11 on threes. Iguodala was having a much better game, 9-15 overall, 3-6 on threes."
3 of Curry's shots were full-length heaves (at the end of the 1st, 2nd, and 4th quarters - all of which he nearly made). Another was the final shot, which takes it out of the equation when discussing who should have taken that final shot. That means his real shooting was 6-12 (50%) and 3-7 on 3s.
That's much closer than the picture you painted, don't you think?
As for your claims, I think you are manipulating the stats on paper to make a case for a star player. I tried to find video of the shots you say that Curry took, but was unable to, as the videos only show highlights. The last shot I could find that Curry took in the first quarter was a drive to the basket against 2 or 3 players where he missed and was fouled. One of the announcers said Curry's shot at the end of the first quarter was as you described, a long heave hit the rim, so I'll give you that one. If he shot a similar long heave at the end of the first half, I could not find any video or description of that shot. But if you say so, I give you that one. However, there was no overtime, so the shot at the end of the 4th quarter was also the final shot of the game, and you can't subtract that one from Curry's total of 16 shots taken before the last shot. If you do your math again, Curry would have been 6-14, 43% overall, 3-8 on threes, instead of 6-16 overall and 3-9 on threes. I had said. I guess if someone is a your favorite player, or a star player, we can throw out some of his misses, and not count them, in another world.
Even if Curry was 6-14, that might eliminate Cousins from consideration, but Iguodala and Green (along with Thompson and Livingston) all had shot better than Curry before that last shot was taken. I still think better options were available, either a pick and roll or drive and dish to Green, Cousins, or Iguodala, or Curry shooting a floater or a shot at the rim.
I'd also add that the final shot, the end of the 4th quarter shot, was not a "full-length heave". It was standard minimum three point length shot, as Curry jumped with his feet no more than a foot behind the three-point shooter. I would also add that Curry's last shot was not close to going in, and he did not "nearly make it" On the playground I grew up on, that shot was a brick. It hit iron, but did not hit inside the rim, and had no chance of going in.
Maybe you made a mistake and meant to say he had put up long heaves at the end of quarters 1, 2, and 3, instead of 1, 2, and 4. Maybe we are both tiring of this discussion, as it has gone on too long, and we are both now making mistakes.
I learned one thing: Don't ever suggest that the Warriors, especially where it is concerning Curry, might do anything different, even after a loss. They are infallible.
Here's his shot chart.
See those three dots on the far side of the court? Those are the three heaves. One came at the end of the first quarter. One came at the end of the 2nd. One came at the end of the 4th, after Kawhi's free throws. Want to see them? Sure.
The first occurs at 00:53 in the video above. The second occurs at 2:07 in the video above. The third happens at 3:55 in the below video.
You want to try your response again? Or do you want to take back your comment on us both making mistakes?
Cheers! Water under the bridge. I also absolutely agree with the bolded above - they should have looked for an easy shot. The play drawn up is fine if there's under 3 seconds left, but they had time to get something better.SFCityBear said:Absolutely, I will take back my comment on us both making mistakes. I am the one who made the mistake, not you. I also commend you on a very good post, and for taking the time to look for the shot chart and videos to prove me wrong. That takes work, and I appreciate you doing it, because I don't like to make mistakes, and do want to be corrected when I'm wrong on any facts.GMP said:SFCityBear said:Curry was actually 3-10 on threes, before the final shot. My mistake.GMP said:SFCityBear said:My goodness, here comes another one, this time seeming to actually try and quote what I wrote.Please go back and read it again. I said Iggy WAS, not IS the best shooter. in one particular game up to that point (who was still on the floor). I agree that shooting percentages around the rim are probably better for most players than at 3-pt range. I'd add mid-range might be better too. I also agree on refs not willing to make a call in the final seconds.cal83dls79 said:me too, this hypothetical was taxing , especially when it got to the "iggy is your best shooter assumption".sycasey said:ducky23 said:sycasey said:SFCityBear said:I have lots of problems with it. Your best shooter in this game was Iguodala. The play the Warriors ran had Iguodala inbounding the ball, so he could not be a decoy to start the play, could not be used to take a shot and it left him nowhere near the basket to rebound. It put maybe your best rebounder,, Green, .and stuck him in the corner, also in no position to rebound. Kerr deferred to Curry on the three, based more on Curry's reputation as a great player, even though Kerr had not been shooting well in that game. In that game, I'd want a play at the basket, Curry along with any one oft the three, Iguodala, Cousins, or Green, on a pick and roll or something, before I'd shoot a long two or a three. I'd be more inclined to go with the hot shooter in the game, if you insist on an outside shot, rather than the shooter who has shot the best in previous games or in the season. You got the play you wanted, I guess. The play was well executed, the defense made a couple mistakes, the great shooter was left open, and the play failed. In the end, it was a lower percentage play than any of the others i mentioned, and I believe in playing percentages.sycasey said:SFCityBear said:Curry was not triple-teamed at all. I thought so too, originally, but I found a replay from a better angle and watched it several times. The play began with Curry being guarded man-to-man by Van Vleet. Cousins was positioned at the top of the key, guarded by Ibaka. Curry cut past Cousins, completely losing Van Vleet on the pick. No switch was called, apparently, and Ibaka was slow to react to having to switch. Green was on the sideline, guarded by Sikiam. Curry caught the pass with not a single defender on him, only Van Fleet trying to catch up to him from far behind, and Ibaka running too late to get to Curry and bother his shot. Sikiam stayed with Green the whole time, and did not leave him to help out on guarding Curry, which was not the way it looked when I first watched the game live on TV from a different angle. Green had stepped out of bounds, but Sikiam did not react, when he should have left Green to help guard Curry, which he did not do. Curry was not triple-teamed or double-teamed on the play. In fact he was not guarded at all by anybody, really, and the play was well-executed, along with a little bit of luck that Iguodala's cross-court pass to Green was completed.sycasey said:Yogi Bear said:https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/curryst01/shooting/2019sycasey said:
Curry is very good at splitting doubles and getting to the rim, but because of his size he still has problems finishing there.
65.3% on shots at rim
I'm talking about in this situation (triple teamed with 9 seconds to shoot), not overall.
The play itself was fine, except that they could have picked a better spot to shoot from, perhaps. Curry took the shot from right where the three point line shortens, giving the shooter only a narrow space to shoot from, backed up against the sideline. The sideline comes into play, forcing the player into the small space, and is almost like having another defender.
I think there was a reasonable expectation (calling the play in the huddle) that the defense would have collapsed on Curry as soon as he tried to cut to the basket or had the ball. It's possible the Raptors screw it up, but that's what they had executed all series on defense, particularly when Klay or KD were not playing.
So I have no issue with the play call.
LOL
Iguodala is streaky, but no one really believes he's the best shooter.
Anyway, I'm done debating this pure hypothetical.
Lol I'm surprised you lasted as long as you did.
Once someone starts arguing that iggy is your best shooter, I'm pretty sure it's time to stop
That was definitely the signal.
I was ok with the shot. Finishing around the rim wasn't the issue it was getting to the rim that was troublesome.
I would also submit that most(if not all) players have a higher percentage around the rim than at 3 pt range ...I know I do and I would venture to think Yogi and maybe even SFCity might as well.. I could very well be wrong. I thought they might find a way to get the ball to Boogie down low. Alas they did not. But depending on a foul in this situation is risky as they rarely want to call these at the end of a game with such high stakes My goodness
Your point is not well-taken, in part because you also use some suspect stats. You said, "Curry was 6-16 overall and 3-11 on threes. Iguodala was having a much better game, 9-15 overall, 3-6 on threes."
3 of Curry's shots were full-length heaves (at the end of the 1st, 2nd, and 4th quarters - all of which he nearly made). Another was the final shot, which takes it out of the equation when discussing who should have taken that final shot. That means his real shooting was 6-12 (50%) and 3-7 on 3s.
That's much closer than the picture you painted, don't you think?
As for your claims, I think you are manipulating the stats on paper to make a case for a star player. I tried to find video of the shots you say that Curry took, but was unable to, as the videos only show highlights. The last shot I could find that Curry took in the first quarter was a drive to the basket against 2 or 3 players where he missed and was fouled. One of the announcers said Curry's shot at the end of the first quarter was as you described, a long heave hit the rim, so I'll give you that one. If he shot a similar long heave at the end of the first half, I could not find any video or description of that shot. But if you say so, I give you that one. However, there was no overtime, so the shot at the end of the 4th quarter was also the final shot of the game, and you can't subtract that one from Curry's total of 16 shots taken before the last shot. If you do your math again, Curry would have been 6-14, 43% overall, 3-8 on threes, instead of 6-16 overall and 3-9 on threes. I had said. I guess if someone is a your favorite player, or a star player, we can throw out some of his misses, and not count them, in another world.
Even if Curry was 6-14, that might eliminate Cousins from consideration, but Iguodala and Green (along with Thompson and Livingston) all had shot better than Curry before that last shot was taken. I still think better options were available, either a pick and roll or drive and dish to Green, Cousins, or Iguodala, or Curry shooting a floater or a shot at the rim.
I'd also add that the final shot, the end of the 4th quarter shot, was not a "full-length heave". It was standard minimum three point length shot, as Curry jumped with his feet no more than a foot behind the three-point shooter. I would also add that Curry's last shot was not close to going in, and he did not "nearly make it" On the playground I grew up on, that shot was a brick. It hit iron, but did not hit inside the rim, and had no chance of going in.
Maybe you made a mistake and meant to say he had put up long heaves at the end of quarters 1, 2, and 3, instead of 1, 2, and 4. Maybe we are both tiring of this discussion, as it has gone on too long, and we are both now making mistakes.
I learned one thing: Don't ever suggest that the Warriors, especially where it is concerning Curry, might do anything different, even after a loss. They are infallible.
Here's his shot chart.
See those three dots on the far side of the court? Those are the three heaves. One came at the end of the first quarter. One came at the end of the 2nd. One came at the end of the 4th, after Kawhi's free throws. Want to see them? Sure.
The first occurs at 00:53 in the video above. The second occurs at 2:07 in the video above. The third happens at 3:55 in the below video.
You want to try your response again? Or do you want to take back your comment on us both making mistakes?
I did not watch the entire game, and I had searched for the three heaves you mentioned, but was unable to find them. I will say that using your method of which of his shots counted in evaluating his shooting, that Curry was having a below average (for him) shooting night, 44% vs 47% overall shooting for the season, and 38% overall vs 44% on three point shooting for the season. He was still a good option for taking the final shot, maybe the best option, but there were other options, namely Green (50% for the game overall), Iguodala (60%) and Cousins (44%). My biggest problem with the call was not who took the shot, but what kind of a shot it was. The three, no matter who shoots it, is the lowest percentage shot you can get on the floor, in general. I think in the closing seconds if you need 3 to win or tie, then you shoot three, but not if you don't need a three to win or tie. Look at what happened: Everything worked to perfection: The wild-looking risky pass from Iguodala which nearly went out of bounds, but was saved by the athleticism of Green. In the meantime, the Raptors totally blow the switch on the screen, and Curry the best shooter in the league gets loose for a wide open shot, with no defender able to bother him. And the best shooter in the league misses the shot, and we lose. Another quibble was that the shot hit the rim at 6.2 seconds. If it had gone in, The Raptors would be inbounding the ball with 5 or 6 seconds left, which is an eternity in the NBA, and they would have enough tIme to run a play for a good shot
A two was enough to win, and the Warriors had 4 great players on the floor who are good at shooting twos, and lots of two point plays in the playbook. I just can't believe we could not spring one of them open for a two.
Thank you again for the corrections. I will try and be more careful next time.
Seems like the Ws have had great success on offense coming out of timeouts during the Kerr era, suggesting that Kerr and staff are excellent in drawing up a play, but not this time.GMP said:Cheers! Water under the bridge. I also absolutely agree with the bolded above - they should have looked for an easy shot. The play drawn up is fine if there's under 3 seconds left, but they had time to get something better.SFCityBear said:Absolutely, I will take back my comment on us both making mistakes. I am the one who made the mistake, not you. I also commend you on a very good post, and for taking the time to look for the shot chart and videos to prove me wrong. That takes work, and I appreciate you doing it, because I don't like to make mistakes, and do want to be corrected when I'm wrong on any facts.GMP said:SFCityBear said:Curry was actually 3-10 on threes, before the final shot. My mistake.GMP said:SFCityBear said:My goodness, here comes another one, this time seeming to actually try and quote what I wrote.Please go back and read it again. I said Iggy WAS, not IS the best shooter. in one particular game up to that point (who was still on the floor). I agree that shooting percentages around the rim are probably better for most players than at 3-pt range. I'd add mid-range might be better too. I also agree on refs not willing to make a call in the final seconds.cal83dls79 said:me too, this hypothetical was taxing , especially when it got to the "iggy is your best shooter assumption".sycasey said:ducky23 said:sycasey said:SFCityBear said:I have lots of problems with it. Your best shooter in this game was Iguodala. The play the Warriors ran had Iguodala inbounding the ball, so he could not be a decoy to start the play, could not be used to take a shot and it left him nowhere near the basket to rebound. It put maybe your best rebounder,, Green, .and stuck him in the corner, also in no position to rebound. Kerr deferred to Curry on the three, based more on Curry's reputation as a great player, even though Kerr had not been shooting well in that game. In that game, I'd want a play at the basket, Curry along with any one oft the three, Iguodala, Cousins, or Green, on a pick and roll or something, before I'd shoot a long two or a three. I'd be more inclined to go with the hot shooter in the game, if you insist on an outside shot, rather than the shooter who has shot the best in previous games or in the season. You got the play you wanted, I guess. The play was well executed, the defense made a couple mistakes, the great shooter was left open, and the play failed. In the end, it was a lower percentage play than any of the others i mentioned, and I believe in playing percentages.sycasey said:SFCityBear said:Curry was not triple-teamed at all. I thought so too, originally, but I found a replay from a better angle and watched it several times. The play began with Curry being guarded man-to-man by Van Vleet. Cousins was positioned at the top of the key, guarded by Ibaka. Curry cut past Cousins, completely losing Van Vleet on the pick. No switch was called, apparently, and Ibaka was slow to react to having to switch. Green was on the sideline, guarded by Sikiam. Curry caught the pass with not a single defender on him, only Van Fleet trying to catch up to him from far behind, and Ibaka running too late to get to Curry and bother his shot. Sikiam stayed with Green the whole time, and did not leave him to help out on guarding Curry, which was not the way it looked when I first watched the game live on TV from a different angle. Green had stepped out of bounds, but Sikiam did not react, when he should have left Green to help guard Curry, which he did not do. Curry was not triple-teamed or double-teamed on the play. In fact he was not guarded at all by anybody, really, and the play was well-executed, along with a little bit of luck that Iguodala's cross-court pass to Green was completed.sycasey said:Yogi Bear said:https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/curryst01/shooting/2019sycasey said:
Curry is very good at splitting doubles and getting to the rim, but because of his size he still has problems finishing there.
65.3% on shots at rim
I'm talking about in this situation (triple teamed with 9 seconds to shoot), not overall.
The play itself was fine, except that they could have picked a better spot to shoot from, perhaps. Curry took the shot from right where the three point line shortens, giving the shooter only a narrow space to shoot from, backed up against the sideline. The sideline comes into play, forcing the player into the small space, and is almost like having another defender.
I think there was a reasonable expectation (calling the play in the huddle) that the defense would have collapsed on Curry as soon as he tried to cut to the basket or had the ball. It's possible the Raptors screw it up, but that's what they had executed all series on defense, particularly when Klay or KD were not playing.
So I have no issue with the play call.
LOL
Iguodala is streaky, but no one really believes he's the best shooter.
Anyway, I'm done debating this pure hypothetical.
Lol I'm surprised you lasted as long as you did.
Once someone starts arguing that iggy is your best shooter, I'm pretty sure it's time to stop
That was definitely the signal.
I was ok with the shot. Finishing around the rim wasn't the issue it was getting to the rim that was troublesome.
I would also submit that most(if not all) players have a higher percentage around the rim than at 3 pt range ...I know I do and I would venture to think Yogi and maybe even SFCity might as well.. I could very well be wrong. I thought they might find a way to get the ball to Boogie down low. Alas they did not. But depending on a foul in this situation is risky as they rarely want to call these at the end of a game with such high stakes My goodness
Your point is not well-taken, in part because you also use some suspect stats. You said, "Curry was 6-16 overall and 3-11 on threes. Iguodala was having a much better game, 9-15 overall, 3-6 on threes."
3 of Curry's shots were full-length heaves (at the end of the 1st, 2nd, and 4th quarters - all of which he nearly made). Another was the final shot, which takes it out of the equation when discussing who should have taken that final shot. That means his real shooting was 6-12 (50%) and 3-7 on 3s.
That's much closer than the picture you painted, don't you think?
As for your claims, I think you are manipulating the stats on paper to make a case for a star player. I tried to find video of the shots you say that Curry took, but was unable to, as the videos only show highlights. The last shot I could find that Curry took in the first quarter was a drive to the basket against 2 or 3 players where he missed and was fouled. One of the announcers said Curry's shot at the end of the first quarter was as you described, a long heave hit the rim, so I'll give you that one. If he shot a similar long heave at the end of the first half, I could not find any video or description of that shot. But if you say so, I give you that one. However, there was no overtime, so the shot at the end of the 4th quarter was also the final shot of the game, and you can't subtract that one from Curry's total of 16 shots taken before the last shot. If you do your math again, Curry would have been 6-14, 43% overall, 3-8 on threes, instead of 6-16 overall and 3-9 on threes. I had said. I guess if someone is a your favorite player, or a star player, we can throw out some of his misses, and not count them, in another world.
Even if Curry was 6-14, that might eliminate Cousins from consideration, but Iguodala and Green (along with Thompson and Livingston) all had shot better than Curry before that last shot was taken. I still think better options were available, either a pick and roll or drive and dish to Green, Cousins, or Iguodala, or Curry shooting a floater or a shot at the rim.
I'd also add that the final shot, the end of the 4th quarter shot, was not a "full-length heave". It was standard minimum three point length shot, as Curry jumped with his feet no more than a foot behind the three-point shooter. I would also add that Curry's last shot was not close to going in, and he did not "nearly make it" On the playground I grew up on, that shot was a brick. It hit iron, but did not hit inside the rim, and had no chance of going in.
Maybe you made a mistake and meant to say he had put up long heaves at the end of quarters 1, 2, and 3, instead of 1, 2, and 4. Maybe we are both tiring of this discussion, as it has gone on too long, and we are both now making mistakes.
I learned one thing: Don't ever suggest that the Warriors, especially where it is concerning Curry, might do anything different, even after a loss. They are infallible.
Here's his shot chart.
See those three dots on the far side of the court? Those are the three heaves. One came at the end of the first quarter. One came at the end of the 2nd. One came at the end of the 4th, after Kawhi's free throws. Want to see them? Sure.
The first occurs at 00:53 in the video above. The second occurs at 2:07 in the video above. The third happens at 3:55 in the below video.
You want to try your response again? Or do you want to take back your comment on us both making mistakes?
I did not watch the entire game, and I had searched for the three heaves you mentioned, but was unable to find them. I will say that using your method of which of his shots counted in evaluating his shooting, that Curry was having a below average (for him) shooting night, 44% vs 47% overall shooting for the season, and 38% overall vs 44% on three point shooting for the season. He was still a good option for taking the final shot, maybe the best option, but there were other options, namely Green (50% for the game overall), Iguodala (60%) and Cousins (44%). My biggest problem with the call was not who took the shot, but what kind of a shot it was. The three, no matter who shoots it, is the lowest percentage shot you can get on the floor, in general. I think in the closing seconds if you need 3 to win or tie, then you shoot three, but not if you don't need a three to win or tie. Look at what happened: Everything worked to perfection: The wild-looking risky pass from Iguodala which nearly went out of bounds, but was saved by the athleticism of Green. In the meantime, the Raptors totally blow the switch on the screen, and Curry the best shooter in the league gets loose for a wide open shot, with no defender able to bother him. And the best shooter in the league misses the shot, and we lose. Another quibble was that the shot hit the rim at 6.2 seconds. If it had gone in, The Raptors would be inbounding the ball with 5 or 6 seconds left, which is an eternity in the NBA, and they would have enough tIme to run a play for a good shot
A two was enough to win, and the Warriors had 4 great players on the floor who are good at shooting twos, and lots of two point plays in the playbook. I just can't believe we could not spring one of them open for a two.
Thank you again for the corrections. I will try and be more careful next time.
sycasey said:
Looks like KD will join Kyrie Irving on the Nets, which sounds . . . interesting.