No kidding.bearister said:
Jim Barnett on radio this morning:
2. Don't just stand around watching the Rockets get rebounds. GET IN THERE!
No contest on so many. How many offensive rebounds did we have?
How many did we ever go for?
No kidding.bearister said:
Jim Barnett on radio this morning:
2. Don't just stand around watching the Rockets get rebounds. GET IN THERE!
concordtom said:No kidding.bearister said:
Jim Barnett on radio this morning:
2. Don't just stand around watching the Rockets get rebounds. GET IN THERE!
No contest on so many. How many offensive rebounds did we have?
How many did we ever go for?
Rather than bash the refs, I think we need to credit harden.GBear4Life said:
In GS's defense, the refs make it impossible to play sincere D vs Harden.
HoopDreams said:
Rockets are going to score. They are shooting many more 3s than the Ws, basically beating them at the game they invented.
But I don't love the Rocket's game. It's basically Harden in an iso. If the defense is good, he passes it out to a player, who passes it back to him and it's back to iso.
So yes, I think Harden deserves the credit for being one of the top 3-4 players in the NBA (Durant and LeBron are 1/2 or 2/1), although I hate the tactic to shoot to get fouled.
Hate Chris Paul's whining. After the big deal about no calls from game one, Paul was again whining after a no-call. Harden on the other hand really toned it down in game 2, and even tapped Paul on the hip while he was complaining to basically say, just play the game. I thought that was a leadership move by Harden. Plus I think Paul is overrated.
However Harden is not a one-man-show either. Gordan, Capella and Tucker are all very good players.
So what do the Ws need to do? Out score them. The Ws are suppose to have the number 1 offense, but they haven't looked like it. Durant has been consistently good, but the splash brothers haven't gotten it done, and the Ws bench is much weaker than in the past. Not having Boogie gives Ws no depth.
Bottom line, is it's anyone's series, with the main advantage for the Ws is the home court advantage.
That bolded sentence is what it boils down to.ducky23 said:HoopDreams said:
Rockets are going to score. They are shooting many more 3s than the Ws, basically beating them at the game they invented.
But I don't love the Rocket's game. It's basically Harden in an iso. If the defense is good, he passes it out to a player, who passes it back to him and it's back to iso.
So yes, I think Harden deserves the credit for being one of the top 3-4 players in the NBA (Durant and LeBron are 1/2 or 2/1), although I hate the tactic to shoot to get fouled.
Hate Chris Paul's whining. After the big deal about no calls from game one, Paul was again whining after a no-call. Harden on the other hand really toned it down in game 2, and even tapped Paul on the hip while he was complaining to basically say, just play the game. I thought that was a leadership move by Harden. Plus I think Paul is overrated.
However Harden is not a one-man-show either. Gordan, Capella and Tucker are all very good players.
So what do the Ws need to do? Out score them. The Ws are suppose to have the number 1 offense, but they haven't looked like it. Durant has been consistently good, but the splash brothers haven't gotten it done, and the Ws bench is much weaker than in the past. Not having Boogie gives Ws no depth.
Bottom line, is it's anyone's series, with the main advantage for the Ws is the home court advantage.
Here's the problem I'm seeing.
The warriors are usually really good offensively because of pace.
Usually they get a ton of fast break points and points off of turnovers or even just pushing pace after a made fg. Space and pace is when they are the most dangerous.
But it's been super hard to run for various reasons. But the main reason I see for the lack of pace is that the dubs are just tired. They're playing a huge number of mins because the bench is giving them nothing.
So they are stuck playing this half court iso game with the rockets, which plays completely into their hands.
The Warriors have never played Rocket ball. Other than 2015/16, the Rockets have led the league in three point attempts by a large margin almost every year. They shoot it more accurately than the other teams most years, but they don't just bomb away for the sake of bombing away. They have led in shooting percentage many years though.HoopDreams said:
Rockets are going to score. They are shooting many more 3s than the Ws, basically beating them at the game they invented.
theres nothing stopping the all-time best 3-point shooter in the history of the game from doing the same.GBear4Life said:
NWarriors haven't looked like it because the Rockets have a really good strategy vs them (how they pressure the ball) and GS isn't exploiting the match ups they have like the Rockets have.
There's nothing wrong with ISO ball to me. I just don't like the enabling of manipulation the refs allow. They're always getting played by Harden. You have to make an effort to avoid a defender who has equal rights to space, and if you don't it's not a defensive foul.
The level of hunger and desperation, and therefore Will and Focus that harden and paul have has to miles different than Klay and Steph.sycasey said:concordtom said:No kidding.bearister said:
Jim Barnett on radio this morning:
2. Don't just stand around watching the Rockets get rebounds. GET IN THERE!
No contest on so many. How many offensive rebounds did we have?
How many did we ever go for?
This is what I was worried about. Starting to look like the Rockets want it more. They are also playing a small lineup most of the time, so there's not a clear physical reason they should be dominating the boards.
But so far no one has lost at home, so it's been about to expectations.
oskidunker said:
Then play Cook. He is lights out from three.
It's a gamble. After he was great during the regular season in Curry's absence last year, he looked completely overwhelmed last postseason. My recollection is supported by the stats: In 17 games, he shot .226 from 3pt on 2.1 attempts per game. A bit of a small sample size, but he didn't look ready.ducky23 said:oskidunker said:
Then play Cook. He is lights out from three.
I don't think it's an awful idea at this point with the dubs absolutely starving for someone off the bench to give a spark.
You gotta pick his spots right though. Maybe when harden is on the bench. Or times when draymond and iggy are both on the floor so they can provide protection when harden blows by him.
One thing I like about cook is that I don't think the moment will be to big for him. I can see him confidently knocking down a couple open threes (which would be like mana from heaven). In contrast to McKinnie who has uncharacteristly airballed at least two wide open corner threes
GMP said:It's a gamble. After he was great during the regular season in Curry's absence last year, he looked completely overwhelmed last postseason. My recollection is supported by the stats: In 17 games, he shot .226 from 3pt on 2.1 attempts per game. A bit of a small sample size, but he didn't look ready.ducky23 said:oskidunker said:
Then play Cook. He is lights out from three.
I don't think it's an awful idea at this point with the dubs absolutely starving for someone off the bench to give a spark.
You gotta pick his spots right though. Maybe when harden is on the bench. Or times when draymond and iggy are both on the floor so they can provide protection when harden blows by him.
One thing I like about cook is that I don't think the moment will be to big for him. I can see him confidently knocking down a couple open threes (which would be like mana from heaven). In contrast to McKinnie who has uncharacteristly airballed at least two wide open corner threes
Series is truly a toss up to me, as it was last year (I thought HOU was slightly better, which they showed in the reg season too). And on paper, it shouldn't be.concordtom said:
So, quick response right now.
$1 bet, who is going to win the series?
I say rockets.
You and Jeff saying the same thing.ClayK said:
Just to be clear, it's not the officials who decide what is to be allowed and what isn't -- it's the league.
It may be that the higher-ups are unhappy with the way the rules and enforcement guidelines have turned out, but they can't change all that now, and blaming the refs simply misses the point.
Just as in baseball and every other sport, you go as far as you can to gain an advantage under the rules and guidelines as they exist at this instant. There was no perfect moment in any sport when the rules were perfect and the officiating was too -- the game evolves, with attempts at positive guidance, and innovators exploit the incremental advantages that develop out of any evolution.
Right now, though, the rules aren't the issue; making three-pointers is the key, and the Warriors aren't doing enough of that to be up 3-1. And it would help if someone off the bench would do more than be a placeholder.
Pick one, dammit.GBear4Life said:Series is truly a toss up to me, as it was last year (I thought HOU was slightly better, which they showed in the reg season too). And on paper, it shouldn't be.concordtom said:
So, quick response right now.
$1 bet, who is going to win the series?
I say rockets.
concordtom said:Pick one, dammit.GBear4Life said:Series is truly a toss up to me, as it was last year (I thought HOU was slightly better, which they showed in the reg season too). And on paper, it shouldn't be.concordtom said:
So, quick response right now.
$1 bet, who is going to win the series?
I say rockets.
ducky23 said:GMP said:It's a gamble. After he was great during the regular season in Curry's absence last year, he looked completely overwhelmed last postseason. My recollection is supported by the stats: In 17 games, he shot .226 from 3pt on 2.1 attempts per game. A bit of a small sample size, but he didn't look ready.ducky23 said:oskidunker said:
Then play Cook. He is lights out from three.
I don't think it's an awful idea at this point with the dubs absolutely starving for someone off the bench to give a spark.
You gotta pick his spots right though. Maybe when harden is on the bench. Or times when draymond and iggy are both on the floor so they can provide protection when harden blows by him.
One thing I like about cook is that I don't think the moment will be to big for him. I can see him confidently knocking down a couple open threes (which would be like mana from heaven). In contrast to McKinnie who has uncharacteristly airballed at least two wide open corner threes
I mean, obviously it's not ideal, but someone has to play. Any other suggestions?
Livingston has been the worst player in this series, looney has regressed, bogut can't guard on the perimeter, mckinnie is playing scared as ***** Jerebko May be able to add some energy/rebounding but that's about it.
If it's between Livingston and cook for minutes, I think you gotta try it. Livingston has been that bad.
Really?GMP said:
Which brings me to my next point - since signing Durant, Bob Myers has done a piss poor job signing/drafting any players who can reliably contribute, especially the last two years (I think he got McGee and West the same year he got Durant, who both had their moments).
Demarcus Cousins?GMP said:ducky23 said:GMP said:It's a gamble. After he was great during the regular season in Curry's absence last year, he looked completely overwhelmed last postseason. My recollection is supported by the stats: In 17 games, he shot .226 from 3pt on 2.1 attempts per game. A bit of a small sample size, but he didn't look ready.ducky23 said:oskidunker said:
Then play Cook. He is lights out from three.
I don't think it's an awful idea at this point with the dubs absolutely starving for someone off the bench to give a spark.
You gotta pick his spots right though. Maybe when harden is on the bench. Or times when draymond and iggy are both on the floor so they can provide protection when harden blows by him.
One thing I like about cook is that I don't think the moment will be to big for him. I can see him confidently knocking down a couple open threes (which would be like mana from heaven). In contrast to McKinnie who has uncharacteristly airballed at least two wide open corner threes
I mean, obviously it's not ideal, but someone has to play. Any other suggestions?
Livingston has been the worst player in this series, looney has regressed, bogut can't guard on the perimeter, mckinnie is playing scared as ***** Jerebko May be able to add some energy/rebounding but that's about it.
If it's between Livingston and cook for minutes, I think you gotta try it. Livingston has been that bad.
Which brings me to my next point - since signing Durant, Bob Myers has done a piss poor job signing/drafting any players who can reliably contribute, especially the last two years (I think he got McGee and West the same year he got Durant, who both had their moments).
Yes, this is completely typical for teams that have been at the top of the league for multiple years and have a lot of salary tied up in their star players.Big C said:Demarcus Cousins?GMP said:ducky23 said:GMP said:It's a gamble. After he was great during the regular season in Curry's absence last year, he looked completely overwhelmed last postseason. My recollection is supported by the stats: In 17 games, he shot .226 from 3pt on 2.1 attempts per game. A bit of a small sample size, but he didn't look ready.ducky23 said:oskidunker said:
Then play Cook. He is lights out from three.
I don't think it's an awful idea at this point with the dubs absolutely starving for someone off the bench to give a spark.
You gotta pick his spots right though. Maybe when harden is on the bench. Or times when draymond and iggy are both on the floor so they can provide protection when harden blows by him.
One thing I like about cook is that I don't think the moment will be to big for him. I can see him confidently knocking down a couple open threes (which would be like mana from heaven). In contrast to McKinnie who has uncharacteristly airballed at least two wide open corner threes
I mean, obviously it's not ideal, but someone has to play. Any other suggestions?
Livingston has been the worst player in this series, looney has regressed, bogut can't guard on the perimeter, mckinnie is playing scared as ***** Jerebko May be able to add some energy/rebounding but that's about it.
If it's between Livingston and cook for minutes, I think you gotta try it. Livingston has been that bad.
Which brings me to my next point - since signing Durant, Bob Myers has done a piss poor job signing/drafting any players who can reliably contribute, especially the last two years (I think he got McGee and West the same year he got Durant, who both had their moments).
The Warriors probably still have the best roster in the league, but no team stays on top forever. The Warriors used to draft duds at #10... no surprise they can't get productive players at #30. Not too many Draymonds out there.
Big C said:Demarcus Cousins?GMP said:ducky23 said:GMP said:It's a gamble. After he was great during the regular season in Curry's absence last year, he looked completely overwhelmed last postseason. My recollection is supported by the stats: In 17 games, he shot .226 from 3pt on 2.1 attempts per game. A bit of a small sample size, but he didn't look ready.ducky23 said:oskidunker said:
Then play Cook. He is lights out from three.
I don't think it's an awful idea at this point with the dubs absolutely starving for someone off the bench to give a spark.
You gotta pick his spots right though. Maybe when harden is on the bench. Or times when draymond and iggy are both on the floor so they can provide protection when harden blows by him.
One thing I like about cook is that I don't think the moment will be to big for him. I can see him confidently knocking down a couple open threes (which would be like mana from heaven). In contrast to McKinnie who has uncharacteristly airballed at least two wide open corner threes
I mean, obviously it's not ideal, but someone has to play. Any other suggestions?
Livingston has been the worst player in this series, looney has regressed, bogut can't guard on the perimeter, mckinnie is playing scared as ***** Jerebko May be able to add some energy/rebounding but that's about it.
If it's between Livingston and cook for minutes, I think you gotta try it. Livingston has been that bad.
Which brings me to my next point - since signing Durant, Bob Myers has done a piss poor job signing/drafting any players who can reliably contribute, especially the last two years (I think he got McGee and West the same year he got Durant, who both had their moments).
The Warriors probably still have the best roster in the league, but no team stays on top forever. The Warriors used to draft duds at #10... no surprise they can't get productive players at #30. Not too many Draymonds out there.
GBear4Life said:And he drafted Jordan Bell. I honestly don't know why he's not playing in this series.GMP said:
Which brings me to my next point - since signing Durant, Bob Myers has done a piss poor job signing/drafting any players who can reliably contribute, especially the last two years (I think he got McGee and West the same year he got Durant, who both had their moments).
ducky23 said:GBear4Life said:And he drafted Jordan Bell. I honestly don't know why he's not playing in this series.GMP said:
Which brings me to my next point - since signing Durant, Bob Myers has done a piss poor job signing/drafting any players who can reliably contribute, especially the last two years (I think he got McGee and West the same year he got Durant, who both had their moments).
Bell played like 10 seconds last game
- his one job was to foul to use up their extra foul. He failed to do that (though that was probably more iggys fault than his)
- he then allowed his man to score a layup on an inbound with like 2 seconds on the clock
Dude jumps like Tarzan and has his basketball iq as well.
sycasey said:ducky23 said:GBear4Life said:And he drafted Jordan Bell. I honestly don't know why he's not playing in this series.GMP said:
Which brings me to my next point - since signing Durant, Bob Myers has done a piss poor job signing/drafting any players who can reliably contribute, especially the last two years (I think he got McGee and West the same year he got Durant, who both had their moments).
Bell played like 10 seconds last game
- his one job was to foul to use up their extra foul. He failed to do that (though that was probably more iggys fault than his)
- he then allowed his man to score a layup on an inbound with like 2 seconds on the clock
Dude jumps like Tarzan and has his basketball iq as well.
Yeah, the reason Jordan Bell doesn't play is because he is completely lost on defense. The Iggy foul came because Bell bizarrely tried to pick up the PG bringing the ball up the floor, even though a superior perimeter defender in Iguodala is already there. A big man like Bell should be retreating faster and trying to prevent an easy bucket at the rim.
Iggy committed the foul because he's smart and saw that easy bucket coming with Bell out of position.
ducky23 said:sycasey said:ducky23 said:GBear4Life said:And he drafted Jordan Bell. I honestly don't know why he's not playing in this series.GMP said:
Which brings me to my next point - since signing Durant, Bob Myers has done a piss poor job signing/drafting any players who can reliably contribute, especially the last two years (I think he got McGee and West the same year he got Durant, who both had their moments).
Bell played like 10 seconds last game
- his one job was to foul to use up their extra foul. He failed to do that (though that was probably more iggys fault than his)
- he then allowed his man to score a layup on an inbound with like 2 seconds on the clock
Dude jumps like Tarzan and has his basketball iq as well.
Yeah, the reason Jordan Bell doesn't play is because he is completely lost on defense. The Iggy foul came because Bell bizarrely tried to pick up the PG bringing the ball up the floor, even though a superior perimeter defender in Iguodala is already there. A big man like Bell should be retreating faster and trying to prevent an easy bucket at the rim.
Iggy committed the foul because he's smart and saw that easy bucket coming with Bell out of position.
I'm fairly sure bell had orders to foul on purpose there (to use up the extra foul) which is why he picked up the pg early but iggy actually got in the way.
I'm almost positive Kerr wanted bell to pick up the foul and not iggy
sycasey said:ducky23 said:sycasey said:ducky23 said:GBear4Life said:And he drafted Jordan Bell. I honestly don't know why he's not playing in this series.GMP said:
Which brings me to my next point - since signing Durant, Bob Myers has done a piss poor job signing/drafting any players who can reliably contribute, especially the last two years (I think he got McGee and West the same year he got Durant, who both had their moments).
Bell played like 10 seconds last game
- his one job was to foul to use up their extra foul. He failed to do that (though that was probably more iggys fault than his)
- he then allowed his man to score a layup on an inbound with like 2 seconds on the clock
Dude jumps like Tarzan and has his basketball iq as well.
Yeah, the reason Jordan Bell doesn't play is because he is completely lost on defense. The Iggy foul came because Bell bizarrely tried to pick up the PG bringing the ball up the floor, even though a superior perimeter defender in Iguodala is already there. A big man like Bell should be retreating faster and trying to prevent an easy bucket at the rim.
Iggy committed the foul because he's smart and saw that easy bucket coming with Bell out of position.
I'm fairly sure bell had orders to foul on purpose there (to use up the extra foul) which is why he picked up the pg early but iggy actually got in the way.
I'm almost positive Kerr wanted bell to pick up the foul and not iggy
Then he should have done it right away. That sequence looked like he didn't know what the hell to do.