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I question whether the bar is that high for Kawhi. I'm assuming that KD doesn't play, except maybe for a late-series cameo, and that Cousins will be about 50% when he gets on the floor. To paraphrase something that Dray said earlier, without KD the W's are very good but not invincible.GMP said:That's why it would be called an "upset".BearSD said:The argument is that Kawhi "will have to" play as well as peak LeBron for the Raptors to win?GMP said:I don't get this strategy at all. If Leonard is on Igoudala, and Igoudala is in the corner, the Warriors will run everything from the opposite wing. Leonard can't do much of anything from there. This will take the Raptors' best player out of the playconcordtom said:
The latest thinking is to put Green on Steph, and Leonard on Iggy, who will stand in the corner, and this will allow Leonard to be a helper, roamer.
Whatever... I look forward to watching it all unfold!
The strategy that makes much more sense is to put him on Draymond, which will allow Leonard to switch onto Curry on the Steph/Dray pick and rolls, and if that causes the Warriors to use someone else in the pick and roll, then you've taken Draymond completely out of the action on the offensive end. Here's a bit more detail:Quote:
What LeBron did in the 2016 Finals against the original version of Golden State should be Kawhi's blueprint. Cleveland put LeBron on Draymond Green so that he could switch the screen between Green and Curry and allow everyone else to stay at home on 3-point shooters. Using LeBron in that role allowed the Cavs to keep an elite defender on Curry, eliminating the open 3s he typically gets in the pick-and-roll, while removing four-on-three opportunities for Green, who is at his best when he can play off the extra defensive attention that Curry draws. LeBron did just enough to bottle up the Warriors on defense so that he could carry the Cavs home on offense. Kawhi will have to do the same for the Raptors.
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/5/29/18642946/kawhi-leonard-raptors-warriors-lebron
HoopDreams said:
Raptors getting wide open threes and playing tough D
Lots of Ws with 3 fouls
Cousins didn't get back and raptors got a dunk
Leonard hasn't even shot much.... just drawing doubles and passing off
Raptors should be very happy with first half
hope iggy is ok. warriors really need his defense and depthsketchy9 said:
Iggy hurt. Dubs can kiss the series goodbye if he can't play. Also, these refs are something else.
If that continues it will hurt the Warriors more. They need the game to be more defensive because they can't outscore Toronto when Toronto scores 118 like they did tonight. Warriors need the Raptors score to be down around 100.GBear4Life said:
Neither team played particularly well. Defensive lapses galore.
No. The crying and complaining about the Warriors started a couple years ago when Durant joined and the Warriors won 2 more championships.oski003 said:
the series isnt over. the crying and complaining has just started.
Of course they can - 9 pts over the course of what, 105 possessions?BearSD said:If that continues it will hurt the Warriors more. They need the game to be more defensive because they can't outscore Toronto when Toronto scores 118 like they did tonight. Warriors need the Raptors score to be down around 100.GBear4Life said:
Neither team played particularly well. Defensive lapses galore.
GBear4Life said:
IMO this board overrates Iguodala.
And I've never seen a player who can swish two 3's in a row and than clank the next 8 by a foot like Iggy. My goodness.
How did you like the Klay first half fast break dunk where he ran all the way to the cup? Traveling.sketchy9 said:
Iggy hurt. Dubs can kiss the series goodbye if he can't play. Also, these refs are something else.
The invincible nonsense had to do with Durant being added.GBear4Life said:
At least if TOR wins the series, the media/fans will presumably STFU about this invincible nonsense.
And, you know, they had the second best record in the NBA, and they are in the Finals.sycasey said:
Raptors offense looking much better than expected. Role players are making shots they didn't make before.
Of course, it's just one half.
Gosh....OaktownBear said:I cannot believe you are quintupling down on this. You drew this conclusion after a couple playoff games when he was coming back from injury and you dug in on it even through a championship series that many thought he was MVP of. You are still dug in on it after Houston Game 6 and the series he just put up? Is there anything the guy can do to get you off of a hasty conclusion you made off extremely thin evidence. Like if they sweep without Durant and he averages 35 a game, will you change your mind then? Seriously, what does it take?concordtom said:I've seen Steph get stuffed and with his shot off before. He also is injury prone.bearister said:cal83dls79 said:
This has all the earmarks of a thread during the hoops season where I believe one guy was actually debating himself. Hoops Greg or something like that . Let's face it. The dubs are on the way to another title. Too much firepower. Analysis paralysis aside dubs in 6.
+1
If he goes down, then you have Klay as your premier scorer, and he also can be streaky.
The warriors appear to not have KD at all, and Boogie is just getting back into the flow.
An argument for a Raptors sweep is not far fetched. Not likely, but if it happened, people would be like, wow, I saw it coming - Steph is past his prime and Klay had a bad series, and beyond that, there are no other proven scorers...Draymond and Iggy and more jack of all trades players.
iI think you have misread some of my comments on Curry. I'm sorry I have not been more clear. I don't recall what the last kerfuffle we had on this was, but I recall feeling there was a similar misunderstanding.Quote:
An argument for a Raptors sweep is not far fetched. Not likely, but if it happened, people would be like, "wow, I saw it coming - Steph is past his prime and Klay had a bad series, and beyond that, there are no other proven scorers...Draymond and Iggy and more jack of all trades players."
concordtom said:And, you know, they had the second best record in the NBA, and they are in the Finals.sycasey said:
Raptors offense looking much better than expected. Role players are making shots they didn't make before.
Of course, it's just one half.
Why does everyone discount them so much?
Was referring to this game only Big C. No need to panick or be peeved. If the Warriors win the next game it is over.If not, I can see it going 7 games...If KD comes back soon it is over sooner than that..Big C said:
1-0. The series is over, obviously.
So THIS old canard is still going around.caltagjohnson said:
Warriors don't play defense.
If Trump came in to the Lakers office for one hour he wouldn't tell Jennie Buss "you're fired".Goobear said:Was referring to this game only Big C. No need to panick or be peeved. If the Warriors win the next game it is over.If not, I can see it going 7 games...If KD comes back soon it is over sooner than that..Big C said:
1-0. The series is over, obviously.
From a Laker fan who is cringing...perhaps Trump should come in for one hour and say: " Your are fired" a few times as Jeany Buss is unable to do that and also should hang it up...
bearister said:
It hurts to see them go': Oakland's sorrow over losing the Warriors to wealthy San Francisco
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jun/02/golden-state-warriors-oakland-san-francisco-chase-center?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other