Warriors 2019 playoff thread

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ducky23 said:

In my opinion, next year you shouldn't measure success in wins and losses. Success should be measured in how much rest/health you can get your key players and how many guys they can find/develop to be "playable" role players in 2021 (whether players found thru draft, trade, FA or d league).

Assuming they are able to sign Durant to the supermax (which I think is much more likely now than at any other point in the season) the warriors are in a very unique situation for next year.

They could easily be a lottery pick team next year and then be the odds on favorites to win the title in 2021.

I know it's going to be hard for guys like Steph and Draymond to "take it easy" next year (especially it being first year at chase) but it's clearly in the best interest of the franchise long term.

So load management will be key. They will also be able to add at least 4 draft picks before 2021 (hopefully one of those will be a lottery pick). They can also try to trade maybe Iggy for additional picks or a younger player. Also just bring in as many bodies as possible next year and see if you can unearth anyone who can play in 2021. Any free agent signings for next year should be trying to find players for 2021

The point being, next year might be a blessing in disguise. It's an opportunity to reset and load up for another 5 year run. The 2nd run will be tougher as the Stars begin to age. That's why it's key to bring in and develop as many cheap playable assets as possible next year in hopes they can be valuable role players in 2021.

So every decision next year should be pointed towards 2021. That's going to be tough for lacob, but it's the right thing to do.


I agree.
But that's a really expensive year of f*ckin' around for Lacob.

I'm holding out hope we can F around and still get Klay and KD back for a playoff run. 8 seed. Then unleash the beast.
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concordtom said:

gobears said:

Even before the Raptors can have their parade, off season fireworks have begun.

AD to Lakers.... , who will join Lebron and AD? Kyrie now that KD is out for the 2019/20 season?

Kyrie got tired of being Robin, but found out being Batman not so fun either. Maybe he will be Alfred with the Lakers.

With Lebron loading up.. may give good reason for KD to return with GSW and have a showdown at the OK Corral with the Lakers in the 2021 playoffs.

goGSW
goBears


My thoughts exactly.
And the warriors can clearly be like Tyson Fury: the lineal champion.
The Raptors did not really beat the full warriors.
If the Hamptons Five team of KD, Curry, Klay, Green and Iggy take the floor, is anyone going to not consider them the front runner who is still on the winner's returning court?
No. they can tell Lebron "you need to beat US".
It would be great drama.

If KD goes elsewhere, what is he really doing?
Fading into obscurity?

Seriously, gimme an alternative scenario where KD can return as reigning favorite?


Throughout this entire year, I was sure KD was gone. But I think the events of the last week or so have changed everything

- I think the original thought for kd was that the dubs would easily win another title and then he'd leave since there's nothing else for him to prove with the warriors. Obviously that has changed. It'd be a great story if him and Klay could come back from injury and win another title.

- I think the narrative on KD has changed, which will more easily allow him to stay with the warriors. Before he was considered soft and a cupcake. And if he re-signed with the warriors have three-peating, he would take a ton of heat. But now public perception on KD has changed dramatically. He's now seen as tough and someone who just wants to ball. So he won't get any flak for re-signing with the dubs

- I think the injury will also make KD think twice about signing with a different team. Let's say he signs with the Knicks. He will sit out year 1 and then by year 2 there will be an expectation that he's going to dominate and lead them to the finals. That's a tremendous amount of pressure on someone just coming off an Achilles. With the warriors, he's already comfortable with the team and also won't be expected to do as much.

- the fact that the warriors can offer the most money and an additional year probably wasn't a huge deal pre-injury. But now with so much uncertainty, the smart move is to sign a super max.

- I also think kd and his teammates actually grew closer thru all of this. He must appreciate how his team has rallied around hin. He must also love that the fanbase now fully appreciates him

I think the only way he doesn't re-sign is if it later comes out the warriors medical staff messed up (which is possible)
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sycasey said:

HoopDreams said:

I agree with you. I thought the last play was also risky because of the difficult pass (which I thought was going out of bounds)

I thought they would give it to curry who would create off the dribble and try to shoot or get fouled

However I can see the coaches thought after I saw the last play and had time to think about it

9 seconds isn't much time for curry to create. He often has to try 2-3 different attempts to get free, especially against the raptors defense who were pretty good bottling him up much of the time

The refs were also going to be slow to blow their whistle in that circumstance and the refs were allowing a lot of physical defense on curry all game

Also the Ws had that play in their pocket for a last shot and probably practice it all the time

It was successful to get curry a look, but it was a contested shot will a long defender. Give props to the raptors for good defense

What was more of a problem was the Ws defense when Klay went down.

In the last couple minutes vanfleet was t the top defended by cook, and drove and pulled back. It was a nice move but cool had his feet wrong and then turned and retreating, totally losing his man. VanVleet therefore had an eternity to shoot a wide open three at the top of the key

To me, that's the ball game, and would have never happened if Klay was on the court and we had five starters

SFCityBear said:

Back to the playoffs for a moment, I could find very little discussion of Thursday's game 6, and none on the last play. At the time, I was struck by the Warriors' decision to go for the three. Before the play, I was thinking, "We have 9 seconds in the front court and we are down one point. So a two pointer or three pointer can win the game, and a free throw can tie it and at least get us to overtime. My play would have been a drive to the basket. The shot would be aggressively defended by Toronto, but still possible, and if they are too aggressive, we might get a foul called and a trip to the line, where we can win or tie. Toronto would likely try to defend that shot by playing tough defense before the shot. I don't remember if fouls at that point were one and one or not, but there we might get at least a free throw to tie.

The shot Curry took, running laterally, catching the pass and turning and firing is a shot he makes often, but this time with three defenders closing on him, he looked to me like he had to hurry the shot, and he looked a little off-balance as he went up. His release is so quick, because he is shooting as soon as his feet leave the floor, so he he did get an open look in between the three defenders. That brings up another point, and that is with three defenders on Curry, there are two other Warriors left wide open. I wish I had recorded the game to replay the last play a few times,

I don't understand taking a lower percentage shot, the three, to win the game, when you only need two to win it, even if the shooter is Curry.. There was plenty of time to set up a play for a path to the hoop. If you drive to the hoop, you are likely going to get fouled and get at least one free throw attempt, but you might just get off a good shot. All the options have risk. I may be wrong, but I think I would have chosen another one.



Curry was getting double or triple teamed on that last play, guaranteed, put it in the bank. Refs are unlikely to call a foul in that situation.

So if you iso him then he has to get a shot up over three bigger guys in 9 seconds, or he's giving the ball up. Without Klay, who else do you trust to take that last shot? Anyone else? I don't think so.

Running a quick play to get Curry open for a catch and shoot was probably the best option. They got it. Contested, but not blockable. It didn't go in. That's basketball.
I don't like iso, any time, any place. Unless his name is Wilt, and I never like iso for the last play of a game. That is playground stuff. If you think Curry is going to be double or triple teamed no matter what, then I'd rather having him driving. He can split a double team with the best of them. If he gets into the lane and is still double-teamed, he has options and at least one open man. I don't mind taking a lower percentage shot if you need 3, but not if you only need one point or two. And 9 seconds is an eternity with which to get a shot off. If a team can't get an open look closer in than 30 feet from the basket in 8 seconds, they do not deserve to win.
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ducky23 said:

concordtom said:

gobears said:

Even before the Raptors can have their parade, off season fireworks have begun.

AD to Lakers.... , who will join Lebron and AD? Kyrie now that KD is out for the 2019/20 season?

Kyrie got tired of being Robin, but found out being Batman not so fun either. Maybe he will be Alfred with the Lakers.

With Lebron loading up.. may give good reason for KD to return with GSW and have a showdown at the OK Corral with the Lakers in the 2021 playoffs.

goGSW
goBears


My thoughts exactly.
And the warriors can clearly be like Tyson Fury: the lineal champion.
The Raptors did not really beat the full warriors.
If the Hamptons Five team of KD, Curry, Klay, Green and Iggy take the floor, is anyone going to not consider them the front runner who is still on the winner's returning court?
No. they can tell Lebron "you need to beat US".
It would be great drama.

If KD goes elsewhere, what is he really doing?
Fading into obscurity?

Seriously, gimme an alternative scenario where KD can return as reigning favorite?


Throughout this entire year, I was sure KD was gone. But I think the events of the last week or so have changed everything

- I think the original thought for kd was that the dubs would easily win another title and then he'd leave since there's nothing else for him to prove with the warriors. Obviously that has changed. It'd be a great story if him and Klay could come back from injury and win another title.

- I think the narrative on KD has changed, which will more easily allow him to stay with the warriors. Before he was considered soft and a cupcake. And if he re-signed with the warriors have three-peating, he would take a ton of heat. But now public perception on KD has changed dramatically. He's now seen as tough and someone who just wants to ball. So he won't get any flak for re-signing with the dubs

- I think the injury will also make KD think twice about signing with a different team. Let's say he signs with the Knicks. He will sit out year 1 and then by year 2 there will be an expectation that he's going to dominate and lead them to the finals. That's a tremendous amount of pressure on someone just coming off an Achilles. With the warriors, he's already comfortable with the team and also won't be expected to do as much.

- the fact that the warriors can offer the most money and an additional year probably wasn't a huge deal pre-injury. But now with so much uncertainty, the smart move is to sign a super max.

- I also think kd and his teammates actually grew closer thru all of this. He must appreciate how his team has rallied around hin. He must also love that the fanbase now fully appreciates him

I think the only way he doesn't re-sign is if it later comes out the warriors medical staff messed up (which is possible)


yeah, he's going to love signing with the team that pressured him to play and misevaluated him medically, leading to a career crushing injury.
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ducky23 said:


- I think the injury will also make KD think twice about signing with a different team. Let's say he signs with the Knicks. He will sit out year 1 and then by year 2 there will be an expectation that he's going to dominate and lead them to the finals. That's a tremendous amount of pressure on someone just coming off an Achilles. With the warriors, he's already comfortable with the team and also won't be expected to do as much.

- the fact that the warriors can offer the most money and an additional year probably wasn't a huge deal pre-injury. But now with so much uncertainty, the smart move is to sign a super max.

- I also think kd and his teammates actually grew closer thru all of this. He must appreciate how his team has rallied around hin. He must also love that the fanbase now fully appreciates him

I think the only way he doesn't re-sign is if it later comes out the warriors medical staff messed up (which is possible)
totally - starting over with any other club could be a huge misadventure. Staying with the lineal champ seems much better!

Taking the biggest contract for longest years is a good idea, too. And since he took less last few years with warriors, they owe him, it could be argued. Warriors should assume the risk of his recovery, not KD.

People messed up. It's okay if it's simply that mistakes were made. But were they dishonest?


Unless Kevin has an ace of an all-star team and situation up his sleeve, he's an idiot if he just bails to a whatever situation. Like, his non-warriors solution better be good, otherwise I'm scratching my head at his reasoning. But it's his choice to make, and I totally respect his right to do as he likes!!!
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oski003 said:

ducky23 said:


I think the only way he doesn't re-sign is if it later comes out the warriors medical staff messed up (which is possible)


yeah, he's going to love signing with the team that pressured him to play and misevaluated him medically, leading to a career crushing injury.
Sounds like his initial reaction is that he's not blaming others, as you suggest he will.

Durant's post said, in part, "Like I said Monday, I'm hurting deeply, but I'm OK. Basketball is my biggest love and I wanted to be out there that night because that's what I do. I wanted to help my teammates on our quest for the three-peat."

Durant said that the injury is "just the way things go in this game," and explained that he was proud he gave his all physically for Golden State in its one-point win, adding that he'll be cheering the team on in Game 6.
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oski003 said:

ducky23 said:

concordtom said:

gobears said:

Even before the Raptors can have their parade, off season fireworks have begun.

AD to Lakers.... , who will join Lebron and AD? Kyrie now that KD is out for the 2019/20 season?

Kyrie got tired of being Robin, but found out being Batman not so fun either. Maybe he will be Alfred with the Lakers.

With Lebron loading up.. may give good reason for KD to return with GSW and have a showdown at the OK Corral with the Lakers in the 2021 playoffs.

goGSW
goBears


My thoughts exactly.
And the warriors can clearly be like Tyson Fury: the lineal champion.
The Raptors did not really beat the full warriors.
If the Hamptons Five team of KD, Curry, Klay, Green and Iggy take the floor, is anyone going to not consider them the front runner who is still on the winner's returning court?
No. they can tell Lebron "you need to beat US".
It would be great drama.

If KD goes elsewhere, what is he really doing?
Fading into obscurity?

Seriously, gimme an alternative scenario where KD can return as reigning favorite?


Throughout this entire year, I was sure KD was gone. But I think the events of the last week or so have changed everything

- I think the original thought for kd was that the dubs would easily win another title and then he'd leave since there's nothing else for him to prove with the warriors. Obviously that has changed. It'd be a great story if him and Klay could come back from injury and win another title.

- I think the narrative on KD has changed, which will more easily allow him to stay with the warriors. Before he was considered soft and a cupcake. And if he re-signed with the warriors have three-peating, he would take a ton of heat. But now public perception on KD has changed dramatically. He's now seen as tough and someone who just wants to ball. So he won't get any flak for re-signing with the dubs

- I think the injury will also make KD think twice about signing with a different team. Let's say he signs with the Knicks. He will sit out year 1 and then by year 2 there will be an expectation that he's going to dominate and lead them to the finals. That's a tremendous amount of pressure on someone just coming off an Achilles. With the warriors, he's already comfortable with the team and also won't be expected to do as much.

- the fact that the warriors can offer the most money and an additional year probably wasn't a huge deal pre-injury. But now with so much uncertainty, the smart move is to sign a super max.

- I also think kd and his teammates actually grew closer thru all of this. He must appreciate how his team has rallied around hin. He must also love that the fanbase now fully appreciates him

I think the only way he doesn't re-sign is if it later comes out the warriors medical staff messed up (which is possible)


yeah, he's going to love signing with the team that pressured him to play and misevaluated him medically, leading to a career crushing injury.

Yeah, Klay is going to love signing with the team that pressured him to play and misevaluated him medically, leading to a career crushing injury

See I can make statements based on no actual evidence as well (and be dead wrong in the process)

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ducky23 said:

oski003 said:

ducky23 said:

concordtom said:

gobears said:

Even before the Raptors can have their parade, off season fireworks have begun.

AD to Lakers.... , who will join Lebron and AD? Kyrie now that KD is out for the 2019/20 season?

Kyrie got tired of being Robin, but found out being Batman not so fun either. Maybe he will be Alfred with the Lakers.

With Lebron loading up.. may give good reason for KD to return with GSW and have a showdown at the OK Corral with the Lakers in the 2021 playoffs.

goGSW
goBears


My thoughts exactly.
And the warriors can clearly be like Tyson Fury: the lineal champion.
The Raptors did not really beat the full warriors.
If the Hamptons Five team of KD, Curry, Klay, Green and Iggy take the floor, is anyone going to not consider them the front runner who is still on the winner's returning court?
No. they can tell Lebron "you need to beat US".
It would be great drama.

If KD goes elsewhere, what is he really doing?
Fading into obscurity?

Seriously, gimme an alternative scenario where KD can return as reigning favorite?


Throughout this entire year, I was sure KD was gone. But I think the events of the last week or so have changed everything

- I think the original thought for kd was that the dubs would easily win another title and then he'd leave since there's nothing else for him to prove with the warriors. Obviously that has changed. It'd be a great story if him and Klay could come back from injury and win another title.

- I think the narrative on KD has changed, which will more easily allow him to stay with the warriors. Before he was considered soft and a cupcake. And if he re-signed with the warriors have three-peating, he would take a ton of heat. But now public perception on KD has changed dramatically. He's now seen as tough and someone who just wants to ball. So he won't get any flak for re-signing with the dubs

- I think the injury will also make KD think twice about signing with a different team. Let's say he signs with the Knicks. He will sit out year 1 and then by year 2 there will be an expectation that he's going to dominate and lead them to the finals. That's a tremendous amount of pressure on someone just coming off an Achilles. With the warriors, he's already comfortable with the team and also won't be expected to do as much.

- the fact that the warriors can offer the most money and an additional year probably wasn't a huge deal pre-injury. But now with so much uncertainty, the smart move is to sign a super max.

- I also think kd and his teammates actually grew closer thru all of this. He must appreciate how his team has rallied around hin. He must also love that the fanbase now fully appreciates him

I think the only way he doesn't re-sign is if it later comes out the warriors medical staff messed up (which is possible)


yeah, he's going to love signing with the team that pressured him to play and misevaluated him medically, leading to a career crushing injury.

Yeah, Klay is going to love signing with the team that pressured him to play and misevaluated him medically, leading to a career crushing injury

See I can make statements based on no actual evidence as well (and be dead wrong in the process)




yes, you can make statements based on no actual evidence.
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sycasey said:

HoopDreams said:

I agree with you. I thought the last play was also risky because of the difficult pass (which I thought was going out of bounds)

I thought they would give it to curry who would create off the dribble and try to shoot or get fouled

However I can see the coaches thought after I saw the last play and had time to think about it

9 seconds isn't much time for curry to create. He often has to try 2-3 different attempts to get free, especially against the raptors defense who were pretty good bottling him up much of the time

The refs were also going to be slow to blow their whistle in that circumstance and the refs were allowing a lot of physical defense on curry all game

Also the Ws had that play in their pocket for a last shot and probably practice it all the time

It was successful to get curry a look, but it was a contested shot will a long defender. Give props to the raptors for good defense

What was more of a problem was the Ws defense when Klay went down.

In the last couple minutes vanfleet was t the top defended by cook, and drove and pulled back. It was a nice move but cool had his feet wrong and then turned and retreating, totally losing his man. VanVleet therefore had an eternity to shoot a wide open three at the top of the key

To me, that's the ball game, and would have never happened if Klay was on the court and we had five starters

SFCityBear said:

Back to the playoffs for a moment, I could find very little discussion of Thursday's game 6, and none on the last play. At the time, I was struck by the Warriors' decision to go for the three. Before the play, I was thinking, "We have 9 seconds in the front court and we are down one point. So a two pointer or three pointer can win the game, and a free throw can tie it and at least get us to overtime. My play would have been a drive to the basket. The shot would be aggressively defended by Toronto, but still possible, and if they are too aggressive, we might get a foul called and a trip to the line, where we can win or tie. Toronto would likely try to defend that shot by playing tough defense before the shot. I don't remember if fouls at that point were one and one or not, but there we might get at least a free throw to tie.

The shot Curry took, running laterally, catching the pass and turning and firing is a shot he makes often, but this time with three defenders closing on him, he looked to me like he had to hurry the shot, and he looked a little off-balance as he went up. His release is so quick, because he is shooting as soon as his feet leave the floor, so he he did get an open look in between the three defenders. That brings up another point, and that is with three defenders on Curry, there are two other Warriors left wide open. I wish I had recorded the game to replay the last play a few times,

I don't understand taking a lower percentage shot, the three, to win the game, when you only need two to win it, even if the shooter is Curry.. There was plenty of time to set up a play for a path to the hoop. If you drive to the hoop, you are likely going to get fouled and get at least one free throw attempt, but you might just get off a good shot. All the options have risk. I may be wrong, but I think I would have chosen another one.



Curry was getting double or triple teamed on that last play, guaranteed, put it in the bank. Refs are unlikely to call a foul in that situation.

So if you iso him then he has to get a shot up over three bigger guys in 9 seconds, or he's giving the ball up. Without Klay, who else do you trust to take that last shot? Anyone else? I don't think so.

Running a quick play to get Curry open for a catch and shoot was probably the best option. They got it. Contested, but not blockable. It didn't go in. That's basketball.
yes, and that's what I concluded after I had some time to think about it after the game (as I said)
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SFCityBear said:

sycasey said:

HoopDreams said:

I agree with you. I thought the last play was also risky because of the difficult pass (which I thought was going out of bounds)

I thought they would give it to curry who would create off the dribble and try to shoot or get fouled

However I can see the coaches thought after I saw the last play and had time to think about it

9 seconds isn't much time for curry to create. He often has to try 2-3 different attempts to get free, especially against the raptors defense who were pretty good bottling him up much of the time

The refs were also going to be slow to blow their whistle in that circumstance and the refs were allowing a lot of physical defense on curry all game

Also the Ws had that play in their pocket for a last shot and probably practice it all the time

It was successful to get curry a look, but it was a contested shot will a long defender. Give props to the raptors for good defense

What was more of a problem was the Ws defense when Klay went down.

In the last couple minutes vanfleet was t the top defended by cook, and drove and pulled back. It was a nice move but cool had his feet wrong and then turned and retreating, totally losing his man. VanVleet therefore had an eternity to shoot a wide open three at the top of the key

To me, that's the ball game, and would have never happened if Klay was on the court and we had five starters

SFCityBear said:

Back to the playoffs for a moment, I could find very little discussion of Thursday's game 6, and none on the last play. At the time, I was struck by the Warriors' decision to go for the three. Before the play, I was thinking, "We have 9 seconds in the front court and we are down one point. So a two pointer or three pointer can win the game, and a free throw can tie it and at least get us to overtime. My play would have been a drive to the basket. The shot would be aggressively defended by Toronto, but still possible, and if they are too aggressive, we might get a foul called and a trip to the line, where we can win or tie. Toronto would likely try to defend that shot by playing tough defense before the shot. I don't remember if fouls at that point were one and one or not, but there we might get at least a free throw to tie.

The shot Curry took, running laterally, catching the pass and turning and firing is a shot he makes often, but this time with three defenders closing on him, he looked to me like he had to hurry the shot, and he looked a little off-balance as he went up. His release is so quick, because he is shooting as soon as his feet leave the floor, so he he did get an open look in between the three defenders. That brings up another point, and that is with three defenders on Curry, there are two other Warriors left wide open. I wish I had recorded the game to replay the last play a few times,

I don't understand taking a lower percentage shot, the three, to win the game, when you only need two to win it, even if the shooter is Curry.. There was plenty of time to set up a play for a path to the hoop. If you drive to the hoop, you are likely going to get fouled and get at least one free throw attempt, but you might just get off a good shot. All the options have risk. I may be wrong, but I think I would have chosen another one.



Curry was getting double or triple teamed on that last play, guaranteed, put it in the bank. Refs are unlikely to call a foul in that situation.

So if you iso him then he has to get a shot up over three bigger guys in 9 seconds, or he's giving the ball up. Without Klay, who else do you trust to take that last shot? Anyone else? I don't think so.

Running a quick play to get Curry open for a catch and shoot was probably the best option. They got it. Contested, but not blockable. It didn't go in. That's basketball.
I don't like iso, any time, any place. Unless his name is Wilt, and I never like iso for the last play of a game. That is playground stuff. If you think Curry is going to be double or triple teamed no matter what, then I'd rather having him driving. He can split a double team with the best of them. If he gets into the lane and is still double-teamed, he has options and at least one open man. I don't mind taking a lower percentage shot if you need 3, but not if you only need one point or two. And 9 seconds is an eternity with which to get a shot off. If a team can't get an open look closer in than 30 feet from the basket in 8 seconds, they do not deserve to win.
1. Curry is very good at splitting doubles and getting to the rim, but because of his size he still has problems finishing there. I'm not sure that's actually a higher-percentage play for him when everyone knows he wants to take the shot.

2. Curry having to pass to one of the other poor shooters on the team is kind of what you want to avoid.

3. There is something to be said for getting a quick shot up because you have a chance at a rebound (and long threes are more likely to be rebounded by the offense than short twos) and another shot. If you burn the clock all the way down, that's it, that's your only chance.
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sycasey said:


Curry is very good at splitting doubles and getting to the rim, but because of his size he still has problems finishing there.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/curryst01/shooting/2019

65.3% on shots at rim
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Yogi Bear said:

sycasey said:


Curry is very good at splitting doubles and getting to the rim, but because of his size he still has problems finishing there.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/curryst01/shooting/2019

65.3% on shots at rim

I'm talking about in this situation (triple teamed with 9 seconds to shoot), not overall.
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sycasey said:


3. There is something to be said for getting a quick shot up because you have a chance at a rebound (and long threes are more likely to be rebounded by the offense than short twos) and another shot. If you burn the clock all the way down, that's it, that's your only chance.
Except that Iggy and Cook watched the ball sail thru the air instead of get in position for a rebound.
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concordtom said:

sycasey said:


3. There is something to be said for getting a quick shot up because you have a chance at a rebound (and long threes are more likely to be rebounded by the offense than short twos) and another shot. If you burn the clock all the way down, that's it, that's your only chance.
Except that Iggy and Cook watched the ball sail thru the air instead of get in position for a rebound.

A good strategy can be poorly executed.
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Any ideas on what the W's lineup looks like next season?

My assumptions:
1-resign Klay, Looney & Cousins
2-Durant leaves for NY
3-Draft a ready to play wing prospect at #28

Starters:
1-Curry
2- ?
3-Iguodala
4-Green
5-Cousins

Bench:
Looney
Draft pick
Livingston
McKinnie
Jones

For sure, it looks like the roster needs shooting, especially with Klay out.
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I think it's very likely that Livingston will retire.

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Green certainly went full ballistic rocket to get the rebound. Just didn't have another TO

sycasey said:

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3. There is something to be said for getting a quick shot up because you have a chance at a rebound (and long threes are more likely to be rebounded by the offense than short twos) and another shot. If you burn the clock all the way down, that's it, that's your only chance.
Except that Iggy and Cook watched the ball sail thru the air instead of get in position for a rebound.

A good strategy can be poorly executed.
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Perhaps. He's signed through next season at around $7.6M, though. That's a good amount of money to leave on the table.

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I think it's very likely that Livingston will retire.


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tsubamoto2001 said:

Perhaps. He's signed through next season at around $7.6M, though. That's a good amount of money to leave on the table.

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I think it's very likely that Livingston will retire.



He only has a partial guarantee of around $2M. Dubs can choose to cut ties if they wish and they'd likely work it out so he'd get the $2M and then move into the front office. Another thing to consider is that his knee(s) are getting more and more balky and he's had to work hard to get ready to play. He himself has said he is contemplating retirement. We'll see.
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Perhaps. He's signed through next season at around $7.6M, though. That's a good amount of money to leave on the table.

philbert said:

I think it's very likely that Livingston will retire.



Actually, only 2 million of that 7.6 million is guaranteed.

Assuming Durant leaves, the Warriors could cut Livingston and be eligible for the full MLE of 9 million (which they will almost assuredly do)

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Curry is very good at splitting doubles and getting to the rim, but because of his size he still has problems finishing there.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/curryst01/shooting/2019

65.3% on shots at rim

I'm talking about in this situation (triple teamed with 9 seconds to shoot), not overall.
Curry was not triple-teamed at all. I thought so too, originally, but I found a replay from a better angle and watched it several times. The play began with Curry being guarded man-to-man by Van Vleet. Cousins was positioned at the top of the key, guarded by Ibaka. Curry cut past Cousins, completely losing Van Vleet on the pick. No switch was called, apparently, and Ibaka was slow to react to having to switch. Green was on the sideline, guarded by Sikiam. Curry caught the pass with not a single defender on him, only Van Fleet trying to catch up to him from far behind, and Ibaka running too late to get to Curry and bother his shot. Sikiam stayed with Green the whole time, and did not leave him to help out on guarding Curry, which was not the way it looked when I first watched the game live on TV from a different angle. Green had stepped out of bounds, but Sikiam did not react, when he should have left Green to help guard Curry, which he did not do. Curry was not triple-teamed or double-teamed on the play. In fact he was not guarded at all by anybody, really, and the play was well-executed, along with a little bit of luck that Iguodala's cross-court pass to Green was completed.

The play itself was fine, except that they could have picked a better spot to shoot from, perhaps. Curry took the shot from right where the three point line shortens, giving the shooter only a narrow space to shoot from, backed up against the sideline. The sideline comes into play, forcing the player into the small space, and is almost like having another defender.

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If that's the case, then SL is likely out. A decent backup PG becomes a priority, especially with Quinn Cook not showing well this postseason.

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tsubamoto2001 said:

Perhaps. He's signed through next season at around $7.6M, though. That's a good amount of money to leave on the table.

philbert said:

I think it's very likely that Livingston will retire.



Actually, only 2 million of that 7.6 million is guaranteed.

Assuming Durant leaves, the Warriors could cut Livingston and be eligible for the full MLE of 9 million (which they will almost assuredly do)


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sycasey said:

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Curry is very good at splitting doubles and getting to the rim, but because of his size he still has problems finishing there.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/curryst01/shooting/2019

65.3% on shots at rim

I'm talking about in this situation (triple teamed with 9 seconds to shoot), not overall.
Curry was not triple-teamed at all. I thought so too, originally, but I found a replay from a better angle and watched it several times. The play began with Curry being guarded man-to-man by Van Vleet. Cousins was positioned at the top of the key, guarded by Ibaka. Curry cut past Cousins, completely losing Van Vleet on the pick. No switch was called, apparently, and Ibaka was slow to react to having to switch. Green was on the sideline, guarded by Sikiam. Curry caught the pass with not a single defender on him, only Van Fleet trying to catch up to him from far behind, and Ibaka running too late to get to Curry and bother his shot. Sikiam stayed with Green the whole time, and did not leave him to help out on guarding Curry, which was not the way it looked when I first watched the game live on TV from a different angle. Green had stepped out of bounds, but Sikiam did not react, when he should have left Green to help guard Curry, which he did not do. Curry was not triple-teamed or double-teamed on the play. In fact he was not guarded at all by anybody, really, and the play was well-executed, along with a little bit of luck that Iguodala's cross-court pass to Green was completed.

The play itself was fine, except that they could have picked a better spot to shoot from, perhaps. Curry took the shot from right where the three point line shortens, giving the shooter only a narrow space to shoot from, backed up against the sideline. The sideline comes into play, forcing the player into the small space, and is almost like having another defender.



I think there was a reasonable expectation (calling the play in the huddle) that the defense would have collapsed on Curry as soon as he tried to cut to the basket or had the ball. It's possible the Raptors screw it up, but that's what they had executed all series on defense, particularly when Klay or KD were not playing.

So I have no issue with the play call.
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sycasey said:

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I agree with you. I thought the last play was also risky because of the difficult pass (which I thought was going out of bounds)

I thought they would give it to curry who would create off the dribble and try to shoot or get fouled

However I can see the coaches thought after I saw the last play and had time to think about it

9 seconds isn't much time for curry to create. He often has to try 2-3 different attempts to get free, especially against the raptors defense who were pretty good bottling him up much of the time

The refs were also going to be slow to blow their whistle in that circumstance and the refs were allowing a lot of physical defense on curry all game

Also the Ws had that play in their pocket for a last shot and probably practice it all the time

It was successful to get curry a look, but it was a contested shot will a long defender. Give props to the raptors for good defense

What was more of a problem was the Ws defense when Klay went down.

In the last couple minutes vanfleet was t the top defended by cook, and drove and pulled back. It was a nice move but cool had his feet wrong and then turned and retreating, totally losing his man. VanVleet therefore had an eternity to shoot a wide open three at the top of the key

To me, that's the ball game, and would have never happened if Klay was on the court and we had five starters

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Back to the playoffs for a moment, I could find very little discussion of Thursday's game 6, and none on the last play. At the time, I was struck by the Warriors' decision to go for the three. Before the play, I was thinking, "We have 9 seconds in the front court and we are down one point. So a two pointer or three pointer can win the game, and a free throw can tie it and at least get us to overtime. My play would have been a drive to the basket. The shot would be aggressively defended by Toronto, but still possible, and if they are too aggressive, we might get a foul called and a trip to the line, where we can win or tie. Toronto would likely try to defend that shot by playing tough defense before the shot. I don't remember if fouls at that point were one and one or not, but there we might get at least a free throw to tie.

The shot Curry took, running laterally, catching the pass and turning and firing is a shot he makes often, but this time with three defenders closing on him, he looked to me like he had to hurry the shot, and he looked a little off-balance as he went up. His release is so quick, because he is shooting as soon as his feet leave the floor, so he he did get an open look in between the three defenders. That brings up another point, and that is with three defenders on Curry, there are two other Warriors left wide open. I wish I had recorded the game to replay the last play a few times,

I don't understand taking a lower percentage shot, the three, to win the game, when you only need two to win it, even if the shooter is Curry.. There was plenty of time to set up a play for a path to the hoop. If you drive to the hoop, you are likely going to get fouled and get at least one free throw attempt, but you might just get off a good shot. All the options have risk. I may be wrong, but I think I would have chosen another one.



Curry was getting double or triple teamed on that last play, guaranteed, put it in the bank. Refs are unlikely to call a foul in that situation.

So if you iso him then he has to get a shot up over three bigger guys in 9 seconds, or he's giving the ball up. Without Klay, who else do you trust to take that last shot? Anyone else? I don't think so.

Running a quick play to get Curry open for a catch and shoot was probably the best option. They got it. Contested, but not blockable. It didn't go in. That's basketball.
I don't like iso, any time, any place. Unless his name is Wilt, and I never like iso for the last play of a game. That is playground stuff. If you think Curry is going to be double or triple teamed no matter what, then I'd rather having him driving. He can split a double team with the best of them. If he gets into the lane and is still double-teamed, he has options and at least one open man. I don't mind taking a lower percentage shot if you need 3, but not if you only need one point or two. And 9 seconds is an eternity with which to get a shot off. If a team can't get an open look closer in than 30 feet from the basket in 8 seconds, they do not deserve to win.
1. Curry is very good at splitting doubles and getting to the rim, but because of his size he still has problems finishing there. I'm not sure that's actually a higher-percentage play for him when everyone knows he wants to take the shot.

2. Curry having to pass to one of the other poor shooters on the team is kind of what you want to avoid.

3. There is something to be said for getting a quick shot up because you have a chance at a rebound (and long threes are more likely to be rebounded by the offense than short twos) and another shot. If you burn the clock all the way down, that's it, that's your only chance
1. Yogi answered this.

2. Poor shooters? Give me a break. The Warriors are not just Curry, even with KD and Klay out. Every player on the floor for this play, with the excepting of Cook, was having a better game shooting the ball than Curry was having. He was not having a good game, and the Raptors were causing him problems. Curry was 6-16 overall and 3-11 on threes. Iguodala was having a much better game, 9-15 overall, 3-6 on threes. Green was 5-10 overall, and Cousins was 4-9 overall. Iguodala is good in the clutch. I have no problem with him taking the shot, and he would have no problem accepting the responsibility either.

The Raptors will expect Curry to get the ball, and will plan their defense accordingly, so I think you take advantage of that. Use him as a decoy, and run the play for someone else. It works in your favor in this game only, because even though he is not shooting well in this game, the Raptors will have think of how and when to double him, and someone else will be open. I have no problem with Iguodala taking a three, except as I said, I prefer a two-point attempt near the basket to try and draw a foul on a miss. I also like a pick and roll with Curry and Green or Curry and Cousins, because they can finish at the rim or draw a foul. There are a lot of plays I'd choose other than the play they ran. I yelled, "Oh no, don't take the three" when he shot it. The rest of my thoughts are all hindsight.

3. Bad idea to shoot the three early in the clock. If you are going to take the shot early just so you have a rebounding advantage on the miss, well, you have a better advantage getting a rebound and a putback off a two-point miss, if your teammates have boxed out properly, and you don't need much time to rebound and put back. It also gives you a second chance at drawing a foul, this time on the rebound and putback attempt. Long rebounds are a crapshoot, and you can't plan for where they will be going.
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sycasey said:

SFCityBear said:

sycasey said:

Yogi Bear said:

sycasey said:


Curry is very good at splitting doubles and getting to the rim, but because of his size he still has problems finishing there.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/curryst01/shooting/2019

65.3% on shots at rim

I'm talking about in this situation (triple teamed with 9 seconds to shoot), not overall.
Curry was not triple-teamed at all. I thought so too, originally, but I found a replay from a better angle and watched it several times. The play began with Curry being guarded man-to-man by Van Vleet. Cousins was positioned at the top of the key, guarded by Ibaka. Curry cut past Cousins, completely losing Van Vleet on the pick. No switch was called, apparently, and Ibaka was slow to react to having to switch. Green was on the sideline, guarded by Sikiam. Curry caught the pass with not a single defender on him, only Van Fleet trying to catch up to him from far behind, and Ibaka running too late to get to Curry and bother his shot. Sikiam stayed with Green the whole time, and did not leave him to help out on guarding Curry, which was not the way it looked when I first watched the game live on TV from a different angle. Green had stepped out of bounds, but Sikiam did not react, when he should have left Green to help guard Curry, which he did not do. Curry was not triple-teamed or double-teamed on the play. In fact he was not guarded at all by anybody, really, and the play was well-executed, along with a little bit of luck that Iguodala's cross-court pass to Green was completed.

The play itself was fine, except that they could have picked a better spot to shoot from, perhaps. Curry took the shot from right where the three point line shortens, giving the shooter only a narrow space to shoot from, backed up against the sideline. The sideline comes into play, forcing the player into the small space, and is almost like having another defender.



I think there was a reasonable expectation (calling the play in the huddle) that the defense would have collapsed on Curry as soon as he tried to cut to the basket or had the ball. It's possible the Raptors screw it up, but that's what they had executed all series on defense, particularly when Klay or KD were not playing.

So I have no issue with the play call.
I have lots of problems with it. Your best shooter in this game was Iguodala. The play the Warriors ran had Iguodala inbounding the ball, so he could not be a decoy to start the play, could not be used to take a shot and it left him nowhere near the basket to rebound. It put maybe your best rebounder,, Green, .and stuck him in the corner, also in no position to rebound. Kerr deferred to Curry on the three, based more on Curry's reputation as a great player, even though Kerr had not been shooting well in that game. In that game, I'd want a play at the basket, Curry along with any one oft the three, Iguodala, Cousins, or Green, on a pick and roll or something, before I'd shoot a long two or a three. I'd be more inclined to go with the hot shooter in the game, if you insist on an outside shot, rather than the shooter who has shot the best in previous games or in the season. You got the play you wanted, I guess. The play was well executed, the defense made a couple mistakes, the great shooter was left open, and the play failed. In the end, it was a lower percentage play than any of the others i mentioned, and I believe in playing percentages.
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SFCityBear said:

sycasey said:

SFCityBear said:

sycasey said:

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sycasey said:


Curry is very good at splitting doubles and getting to the rim, but because of his size he still has problems finishing there.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/curryst01/shooting/2019

65.3% on shots at rim

I'm talking about in this situation (triple teamed with 9 seconds to shoot), not overall.
Curry was not triple-teamed at all. I thought so too, originally, but I found a replay from a better angle and watched it several times. The play began with Curry being guarded man-to-man by Van Vleet. Cousins was positioned at the top of the key, guarded by Ibaka. Curry cut past Cousins, completely losing Van Vleet on the pick. No switch was called, apparently, and Ibaka was slow to react to having to switch. Green was on the sideline, guarded by Sikiam. Curry caught the pass with not a single defender on him, only Van Fleet trying to catch up to him from far behind, and Ibaka running too late to get to Curry and bother his shot. Sikiam stayed with Green the whole time, and did not leave him to help out on guarding Curry, which was not the way it looked when I first watched the game live on TV from a different angle. Green had stepped out of bounds, but Sikiam did not react, when he should have left Green to help guard Curry, which he did not do. Curry was not triple-teamed or double-teamed on the play. In fact he was not guarded at all by anybody, really, and the play was well-executed, along with a little bit of luck that Iguodala's cross-court pass to Green was completed.

The play itself was fine, except that they could have picked a better spot to shoot from, perhaps. Curry took the shot from right where the three point line shortens, giving the shooter only a narrow space to shoot from, backed up against the sideline. The sideline comes into play, forcing the player into the small space, and is almost like having another defender.


SFCB, so maybe it's time that you replace Curry!

Iguodala taking the shot instead of Steph? You make seemingly a good case for your rationale that I doubt any NBA coach dead or alive would buy.

We have seen countless times that Steph is off target in a game and then comes back with a three that almost no one else could make.

Without Klay or KD, he was the only logical option. And he missed. He's human.

As for his driving toward the basket, he likely would have been mugged with the officials swallowing their whistles, as they almost always do at the end of a highly contested game.

I think there was a reasonable expectation (calling the play in the huddle) that the defense would have collapsed on Curry as soon as he tried to cut to the basket or had the ball. It's possible the Raptors screw it up, but that's what they had executed all series on defense, particularly when Klay or KD were not playing.

So I have no issue with the play call.
I have lots of problems with it. Your best shooter in this game was Iguodala. The play the Warriors ran had Iguodala inbounding the ball, so he could not be a decoy to start the play, could not be used to take a shot and it left him nowhere near the basket to rebound. It put maybe your best rebounder,, Green, .and stuck him in the corner, also in no position to rebound. Kerr deferred to Curry on the three, based more on Curry's reputation as a great player, even though Kerr had not been shooting well in that game. In that game, I'd want a play at the basket, Curry along with any one oft the three, Iguodala, Cousins, or Green, on a pick and roll or something, before I'd shoot a long two or a three. I'd be more inclined to go with the hot shooter in the game, if you insist on an outside shot, rather than the shooter who has shot the best in previous games or in the season. You got the play you wanted, I guess. The play was well executed, the defense made a couple mistakes, the great shooter was left open, and the play failed. In the end, it was a lower percentage play than any of the others i mentioned, and I believe in playing percentages.
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SFCityBear said:

sycasey said:

SFCityBear said:

sycasey said:

Yogi Bear said:

sycasey said:


Curry is very good at splitting doubles and getting to the rim, but because of his size he still has problems finishing there.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/curryst01/shooting/2019

65.3% on shots at rim

I'm talking about in this situation (triple teamed with 9 seconds to shoot), not overall.
Curry was not triple-teamed at all. I thought so too, originally, but I found a replay from a better angle and watched it several times. The play began with Curry being guarded man-to-man by Van Vleet. Cousins was positioned at the top of the key, guarded by Ibaka. Curry cut past Cousins, completely losing Van Vleet on the pick. No switch was called, apparently, and Ibaka was slow to react to having to switch. Green was on the sideline, guarded by Sikiam. Curry caught the pass with not a single defender on him, only Van Fleet trying to catch up to him from far behind, and Ibaka running too late to get to Curry and bother his shot. Sikiam stayed with Green the whole time, and did not leave him to help out on guarding Curry, which was not the way it looked when I first watched the game live on TV from a different angle. Green had stepped out of bounds, but Sikiam did not react, when he should have left Green to help guard Curry, which he did not do. Curry was not triple-teamed or double-teamed on the play. In fact he was not guarded at all by anybody, really, and the play was well-executed, along with a little bit of luck that Iguodala's cross-court pass to Green was completed.

The play itself was fine, except that they could have picked a better spot to shoot from, perhaps. Curry took the shot from right where the three point line shortens, giving the shooter only a narrow space to shoot from, backed up against the sideline. The sideline comes into play, forcing the player into the small space, and is almost like having another defender.



I think there was a reasonable expectation (calling the play in the huddle) that the defense would have collapsed on Curry as soon as he tried to cut to the basket or had the ball. It's possible the Raptors screw it up, but that's what they had executed all series on defense, particularly when Klay or KD were not playing.

So I have no issue with the play call.
I have lots of problems with it. Your best shooter in this game was Iguodala. The play the Warriors ran had Iguodala inbounding the ball, so he could not be a decoy to start the play, could not be used to take a shot and it left him nowhere near the basket to rebound. It put maybe your best rebounder,, Green, .and stuck him in the corner, also in no position to rebound. Kerr deferred to Curry on the three, based more on Curry's reputation as a great player, even though Kerr had not been shooting well in that game. In that game, I'd want a play at the basket, Curry along with any one oft the three, Iguodala, Cousins, or Green, on a pick and roll or something, before I'd shoot a long two or a three. I'd be more inclined to go with the hot shooter in the game, if you insist on an outside shot, rather than the shooter who has shot the best in previous games or in the season. You got the play you wanted, I guess. The play was well executed, the defense made a couple mistakes, the great shooter was left open, and the play failed. In the end, it was a lower percentage play than any of the others i mentioned, and I believe in playing percentages.

LOL

Iguodala is streaky, but no one really believes he's the best shooter.

Anyway, I'm done debating this pure hypothetical.
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sycasey said:

SFCityBear said:

sycasey said:

SFCityBear said:

sycasey said:

Yogi Bear said:

sycasey said:


Curry is very good at splitting doubles and getting to the rim, but because of his size he still has problems finishing there.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/curryst01/shooting/2019

65.3% on shots at rim

I'm talking about in this situation (triple teamed with 9 seconds to shoot), not overall.
Curry was not triple-teamed at all. I thought so too, originally, but I found a replay from a better angle and watched it several times. The play began with Curry being guarded man-to-man by Van Vleet. Cousins was positioned at the top of the key, guarded by Ibaka. Curry cut past Cousins, completely losing Van Vleet on the pick. No switch was called, apparently, and Ibaka was slow to react to having to switch. Green was on the sideline, guarded by Sikiam. Curry caught the pass with not a single defender on him, only Van Fleet trying to catch up to him from far behind, and Ibaka running too late to get to Curry and bother his shot. Sikiam stayed with Green the whole time, and did not leave him to help out on guarding Curry, which was not the way it looked when I first watched the game live on TV from a different angle. Green had stepped out of bounds, but Sikiam did not react, when he should have left Green to help guard Curry, which he did not do. Curry was not triple-teamed or double-teamed on the play. In fact he was not guarded at all by anybody, really, and the play was well-executed, along with a little bit of luck that Iguodala's cross-court pass to Green was completed.

The play itself was fine, except that they could have picked a better spot to shoot from, perhaps. Curry took the shot from right where the three point line shortens, giving the shooter only a narrow space to shoot from, backed up against the sideline. The sideline comes into play, forcing the player into the small space, and is almost like having another defender.



I think there was a reasonable expectation (calling the play in the huddle) that the defense would have collapsed on Curry as soon as he tried to cut to the basket or had the ball. It's possible the Raptors screw it up, but that's what they had executed all series on defense, particularly when Klay or KD were not playing.

So I have no issue with the play call.
I have lots of problems with it. Your best shooter in this game was Iguodala. The play the Warriors ran had Iguodala inbounding the ball, so he could not be a decoy to start the play, could not be used to take a shot and it left him nowhere near the basket to rebound. It put maybe your best rebounder,, Green, .and stuck him in the corner, also in no position to rebound. Kerr deferred to Curry on the three, based more on Curry's reputation as a great player, even though Kerr had not been shooting well in that game. In that game, I'd want a play at the basket, Curry along with any one oft the three, Iguodala, Cousins, or Green, on a pick and roll or something, before I'd shoot a long two or a three. I'd be more inclined to go with the hot shooter in the game, if you insist on an outside shot, rather than the shooter who has shot the best in previous games or in the season. You got the play you wanted, I guess. The play was well executed, the defense made a couple mistakes, the great shooter was left open, and the play failed. In the end, it was a lower percentage play than any of the others i mentioned, and I believe in playing percentages.

LOL

Iguodala is streaky, but no one really believes he's the best shooter.

Anyway, I'm done debating this pure hypothetical.


Lol I'm surprised you lasted as long as you did.

Once someone starts arguing that iggy is your best shooter, I'm pretty sure it's time to stop
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ducky23 said:

sycasey said:

SFCityBear said:

sycasey said:

SFCityBear said:

sycasey said:

Yogi Bear said:

sycasey said:


Curry is very good at splitting doubles and getting to the rim, but because of his size he still has problems finishing there.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/curryst01/shooting/2019

65.3% on shots at rim

I'm talking about in this situation (triple teamed with 9 seconds to shoot), not overall.
Curry was not triple-teamed at all. I thought so too, originally, but I found a replay from a better angle and watched it several times. The play began with Curry being guarded man-to-man by Van Vleet. Cousins was positioned at the top of the key, guarded by Ibaka. Curry cut past Cousins, completely losing Van Vleet on the pick. No switch was called, apparently, and Ibaka was slow to react to having to switch. Green was on the sideline, guarded by Sikiam. Curry caught the pass with not a single defender on him, only Van Fleet trying to catch up to him from far behind, and Ibaka running too late to get to Curry and bother his shot. Sikiam stayed with Green the whole time, and did not leave him to help out on guarding Curry, which was not the way it looked when I first watched the game live on TV from a different angle. Green had stepped out of bounds, but Sikiam did not react, when he should have left Green to help guard Curry, which he did not do. Curry was not triple-teamed or double-teamed on the play. In fact he was not guarded at all by anybody, really, and the play was well-executed, along with a little bit of luck that Iguodala's cross-court pass to Green was completed.

The play itself was fine, except that they could have picked a better spot to shoot from, perhaps. Curry took the shot from right where the three point line shortens, giving the shooter only a narrow space to shoot from, backed up against the sideline. The sideline comes into play, forcing the player into the small space, and is almost like having another defender.



I think there was a reasonable expectation (calling the play in the huddle) that the defense would have collapsed on Curry as soon as he tried to cut to the basket or had the ball. It's possible the Raptors screw it up, but that's what they had executed all series on defense, particularly when Klay or KD were not playing.

So I have no issue with the play call.
I have lots of problems with it. Your best shooter in this game was Iguodala. The play the Warriors ran had Iguodala inbounding the ball, so he could not be a decoy to start the play, could not be used to take a shot and it left him nowhere near the basket to rebound. It put maybe your best rebounder,, Green, .and stuck him in the corner, also in no position to rebound. Kerr deferred to Curry on the three, based more on Curry's reputation as a great player, even though Kerr had not been shooting well in that game. In that game, I'd want a play at the basket, Curry along with any one oft the three, Iguodala, Cousins, or Green, on a pick and roll or something, before I'd shoot a long two or a three. I'd be more inclined to go with the hot shooter in the game, if you insist on an outside shot, rather than the shooter who has shot the best in previous games or in the season. You got the play you wanted, I guess. The play was well executed, the defense made a couple mistakes, the great shooter was left open, and the play failed. In the end, it was a lower percentage play than any of the others i mentioned, and I believe in playing percentages.

LOL

Iguodala is streaky, but no one really believes he's the best shooter.

Anyway, I'm done debating this pure hypothetical.


Lol I'm surprised you lasted as long as you did.

Once someone starts arguing that iggy is your best shooter, I'm pretty sure it's time to stop

That was definitely the signal.
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sycasey said:

concordtom said:

sycasey said:


3. There is something to be said for getting a quick shot up because you have a chance at a rebound (and long threes are more likely to be rebounded by the offense than short twos) and another shot. If you burn the clock all the way down, that's it, that's your only chance.
Except that Iggy and Cook watched the ball sail thru the air instead of get in position for a rebound.

A good strategy can be poorly executed.
I agree.
If I were on the floor, or on my couch, I'd be watching Curry's shot, too. Ready to celebrate!
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ducky23 said:


Actually, only 2 million of that 7.6 million is guaranteed.

Assuming Durant leaves, the Warriors could cut Livingston and be eligible for the full MLE of 9 million (which they will almost assuredly do)


Are you sure? Even if KD leaves and Livingston is cut, I think they would still be over the tax (assuming Klay signs his max extension). I don't think they can get the full MLE unless they are below the tax line.
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tsubamoto2001 said:

Perhaps. He's signed through next season at around $7.6M, though. That's a good amount of money to leave on the table.

philbert said:

I think it's very likely that Livingston will retire.



Can the warriors trade him to another team, along with 8.6M for a late 2nd round pick, and then that team immediately cuts him?
I dunno, the rules are co placated.
It's sad because Livingston has been a part of the run, but he didn't add much in the post season, looked done. He's not hitting that midrange like he used to. Not sure why.

The W's can't hold on to all their old stars forever.

Edit: I see that above, only $2M is guaranteed.
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tsubamoto2001 said:

A decent backup PG becomes a priority, especially with Quinn Cook not showing well this postseason.

I'd like to see the warriors move curry to shooting guard to lighten the load.
Maybe we can draft a Ja Morant.
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sycasey said:

ducky23 said:

sycasey said:

SFCityBear said:

sycasey said:

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Yogi Bear said:

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Curry is very good at splitting doubles and getting to the rim, but because of his size he still has problems finishing there.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/curryst01/shooting/2019

65.3% on shots at rim

I'm talking about in this situation (triple teamed with 9 seconds to shoot), not overall.
Curry was not triple-teamed at all. I thought so too, originally, but I found a replay from a better angle and watched it several times. The play began with Curry being guarded man-to-man by Van Vleet. Cousins was positioned at the top of the key, guarded by Ibaka. Curry cut past Cousins, completely losing Van Vleet on the pick. No switch was called, apparently, and Ibaka was slow to react to having to switch. Green was on the sideline, guarded by Sikiam. Curry caught the pass with not a single defender on him, only Van Fleet trying to catch up to him from far behind, and Ibaka running too late to get to Curry and bother his shot. Sikiam stayed with Green the whole time, and did not leave him to help out on guarding Curry, which was not the way it looked when I first watched the game live on TV from a different angle. Green had stepped out of bounds, but Sikiam did not react, when he should have left Green to help guard Curry, which he did not do. Curry was not triple-teamed or double-teamed on the play. In fact he was not guarded at all by anybody, really, and the play was well-executed, along with a little bit of luck that Iguodala's cross-court pass to Green was completed.

The play itself was fine, except that they could have picked a better spot to shoot from, perhaps. Curry took the shot from right where the three point line shortens, giving the shooter only a narrow space to shoot from, backed up against the sideline. The sideline comes into play, forcing the player into the small space, and is almost like having another defender.



I think there was a reasonable expectation (calling the play in the huddle) that the defense would have collapsed on Curry as soon as he tried to cut to the basket or had the ball. It's possible the Raptors screw it up, but that's what they had executed all series on defense, particularly when Klay or KD were not playing.

So I have no issue with the play call.
I have lots of problems with it. Your best shooter in this game was Iguodala. The play the Warriors ran had Iguodala inbounding the ball, so he could not be a decoy to start the play, could not be used to take a shot and it left him nowhere near the basket to rebound. It put maybe your best rebounder,, Green, .and stuck him in the corner, also in no position to rebound. Kerr deferred to Curry on the three, based more on Curry's reputation as a great player, even though Kerr had not been shooting well in that game. In that game, I'd want a play at the basket, Curry along with any one oft the three, Iguodala, Cousins, or Green, on a pick and roll or something, before I'd shoot a long two or a three. I'd be more inclined to go with the hot shooter in the game, if you insist on an outside shot, rather than the shooter who has shot the best in previous games or in the season. You got the play you wanted, I guess. The play was well executed, the defense made a couple mistakes, the great shooter was left open, and the play failed. In the end, it was a lower percentage play than any of the others i mentioned, and I believe in playing percentages.

LOL

Iguodala is streaky, but no one really believes he's the best shooter.

Anyway, I'm done debating this pure hypothetical.


Lol I'm surprised you lasted as long as you did.

Once someone starts arguing that iggy is your best shooter, I'm pretty sure it's time to stop

That was definitely the signal.
me too, this hypothetical was taxing , especially when it got to the "iggy is your best shooter assumption".
I was ok with the shot. Finishing around the rim wasn't the issue it was getting to the rim that was troublesome.

I would also submit that most(if not all) players have a higher percentage around the rim than at 3 pt range ...I know I do and I would venture to think Yogi and maybe even SFCity might as well.. I could very well be wrong. I thought they might find a way to get the ball to Boogie down low. Alas they did not. But depending on a foul in this situation is risky as they rarely want to call these at the end of a game with such high stakes
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tsubamoto2001 said:

Perhaps. He's signed through next season at around $7.6M, though. That's a good amount of money to leave on the table.

philbert said:

I think it's very likely that Livingston will retire.



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