HearstMining said:

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Vida Blue, Joe Kapp, Gordon Lightfoot, Jim Brown, and now Tina Turner. Nobody ever told me that part of getting old would be watching the icons of your youth go before you did. She reminds me of a high school buddy who loved her rendition of Proud Mary. She combined energy, raunchiness (her word from a 1996 60 Minutes interview, now on Youtube) with a real elegance better than any female performer I can think of. Madonna, Gaga, Beyonce, etc are not even close.

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Fair point about getting old and watching others die!

But as to Tina being so great… meh, not in my book. She's got a few songs. One hand.


What's love hit to do with it
Private dancer
Simply the best
Better be good to me
We don't need another hero

Maybe if her hair were real.

concordtom said:

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HearstMining said:

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Vida Blue, Joe Kapp, Gordon Lightfoot, Jim Brown, and now Tina Turner. Nobody ever told me that part of getting old would be watching the icons of your youth go before you did. She reminds me of a high school buddy who loved her rendition of Proud Mary. She combined energy, raunchiness (her word from a 1996 60 Minutes interview, now on Youtube) with a real elegance better than any female performer I can think of. Madonna, Gaga, Beyonce, etc are not even close.

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Fair point about getting old and watching others die!

But as to Tina being so great… meh, not in my book. She's got a few songs. One hand.


What's love hit to do with it
Private dancer
Simply the best
Better be good to me
We don't need another hero

Maybe if her hair were real.

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RIP Tina Turner, a great singer and a courageous woman who could rock a miniskirt like no other. But yeah, in all of the retrospectives I've seen the past couple of days (and there've been a lot), I couldn't stop cringing at that '80s hair.

*Tina Turner is attached to a milestone memory in my life. I had just started my freshman year at Cal. I took my high school girlfriend to this show at the Greek Theater. We sat on the grass. She spent most of the show busting my balls about how sh@itty our seats were. After I dropped her off that evening, I moved on with the next chapter of my life. I noted on the high school website last year that she was one of the 25 or so that went to our 50 year reunion. Glad I didn't go. I'm still p@issed off about that evening half a century later.

bearister said:

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*Tina Turner is attached to a milestone memory in my life. I had just started my freshman year at Cal. I took my high school girlfriend to this show at the Greek Theater. We sat on the grass. She spent most of the show busting my balls about how sh@itty our seats were. After I dropped her off that evening, I moved on with the next chapter of my life. I noted on the high school website last year that she was one of the 25 or so that went to our 50 year reunion. Glad I didn't go. I'm still p@issed off about that evening half a century later.

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How was this show though? Ike and Tina at the Greek sounds like it would have been epic

Yeah. Tight band. Tina was great….but I enjoyed this show more two weeks later at Harmon Gym:

Ed Ames, who first gained fame as the lead singer of the Ames Brothers and then acted on the popular NBC show “Daniel Boone,” has died at 95. https://t.co/3usXnItbsF

— New York Times Arts (@nytimesarts) May 26, 2023

One of those guys that I just assumed had died ages ago.

….and speaking of guys I figured died a 100 years ago…

George Maharis, star of Route 66 and Fantasy Island, dies at 94



https://mol.im/a/12132765

*I remember a few years ago when I read the Wikipedia page for On the Road, I decided to read it because it said Jack Kerouac almost sued Route 66 producers for ripping off his idea. I figured, I loved Route 66 as a kid, so if On the Road is similar, I'll dig it it. WRONG. On the Road is a turd.

bearister said:

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….and speaking of guys I figured died a 100 years ago…

George Maharis, star of Route 66 and Fantasy Island, dies at 94



https://mol.im/a/12132765

*I remember a few years ago when I read the Wikipedia page for On the Road, I decided to read it because it said Jack Kerouac almost sued Route 66 producers for ripping off his idea. I figured, I loved Route 66 as a kid, so if On the Road is similar, I'll dig it it. WRONG. On the Road is a turd.

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Fantasy Island is what they chose as his second largest role?

Fantasy co-star imdb lookup..
Herv Villechaize(1943-1993)
> The reason for his suicide was not career woes, as is commonly believed, but because he was in nearly constant pain as his body aged. While small externally, his internal organs were of normal size, and crowded each other over the years. In his last months, he had to sleep in a kneeling position, because lying down made it impossible to breathe.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0898199

Big C said:

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concordtom said:

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HearstMining said:

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Vida Blue, Joe Kapp, Gordon Lightfoot, Jim Brown, and now Tina Turner. Nobody ever told me that part of getting old would be watching the icons of your youth go before you did. She reminds me of a high school buddy who loved her rendition of Proud Mary. She combined energy, raunchiness (her word from a 1996 60 Minutes interview, now on Youtube) with a real elegance better than any female performer I can think of. Madonna, Gaga, Beyonce, etc are not even close.

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Fair point about getting old and watching others die!

But as to Tina being so great… meh, not in my book. She's got a few songs. One hand.


What's love hit to do with it
Private dancer
Simply the best
Better be good to me
We don't need another hero

Maybe if her hair were real.

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RIP Tina Turner, a great singer and a courageous woman who could rock a miniskirt like no other. But yeah, in all of the retrospectives I've seen the past couple of days (and there've been a lot), I couldn't stop cringing at that '80s hair.

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I actually hadn't been thinking it was a wig, but she discussed making them herself in an interview. Cosmetically she also had some nose work, but that was because of Ike smashing it, she claimed, and it just ended up being a bit smaller after. Then she laughed about having boobs done.

I appreciated her honesty.

She seems like a fair, decent person in her interviews! I bet she'd make for a great storyteller at lunch.
Congrats to her on living a neat life.

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*Tina Turner is attached to a milestone memory in my life. I had just started my freshman year at Cal. I took my high school girlfriend to this show at the Greek Theater. We sat on the grass. She spent most of the show busting my balls about how sh@itty our seats were. After I dropped her off that evening, I moved on with the next chapter of my life. I noted on the high school website last year that she was one of the 25 or so that went to our 50 year reunion. Glad I didn't go. I'm still p@issed off about that evening half a century later.

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Good story.

There's at least one psychologist online who says "don't go to school reunions", you'll end up feeling like you didn't measure up.

I think it's tricky. I really enjoyed my 20th. But I didn't go to my 30th. I hope to go to my 40th, armed with the knowledge that each person has by now had their own private ups and downs, that those with big downs won't show up, and for the ones who do show up it's only because they are brave and/or are going to tell us about only the ups.

At this stage in life, it's no longer a competition, it's a celebration that we exist.
Share some memories, laugh, cry, and thank one another for being a part of it.

dimitrig said:

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bearister said:

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….and speaking of guys I figured died a 100 years ago…

George Maharis, star of Route 66 and Fantasy Island, dies at 94



https://mol.im/a/12132765

*I remember a few years ago when I read the Wikipedia page for On the Road, I decided to read it because it said Jack Kerouac almost sued Route 66 producers for ripping off his idea. I figured, I loved Route 66 as a kid, so if On the Road is similar, I'll dig it it. WRONG. On the Road is a turd.

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Fantasy Island is what they chose as his second largest role?

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my parents divorced in 76 and my mom immediately took us to Hawaii to, oddly, relive her honeymoon in Honolulu.
We then went to Kauai and the Coco Palms. Tattoo was on our plane and then also at the resort, and was walking around with some tall model - and that was quite the amazing sight. I mean, I'm sure she appreciated his sense of humor and intelligent insights on how to get ahead in the movie business.

My brother got his autograph on the plane. Who knows what became of that, and every other autograph I ever got as a kid.

Looks like they are finally going to rebuild it after 1994 hurricane destruction.

https://beatofhawaii.com/coco-palms-kauai-rebuild-starts-now-unbelievable/

Very sad film:

RIP Cynthia Weil, a superb pop songwriter over many decades. Hard to pick a favorite, but I grew up with this one, then came back to it after it was showcased in the wonderful 1996 gay indie Beautiful Thing. From kid pride to gay pride, it works. https://t.co/rZUVssqu11

— Mark Harris (@MarkHarrisNYC) June 2, 2023

Blame It on the Bossa Nova
On Broadway
Walking in the Rain
You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin'
We Gotta Get Out of This Place
Kicks
Hungry
I Just Can't Help Believing
Here You Come Again
Don't Know Much
Never Gonna Let You Go...

Cynthia Weil, songwriter
dead at 82 pic.twitter.com/XCRJBgSga3

— Gary Wells (@soulrideblog) June 3, 2023

Jim Hines.

The 1968 Olympic 100 meter Champion dead at 76. He ran 9.95 which was a mark that stood for 15 years.

He also helped the 4x100 relay team.

Raised in Oakland.
A McClymonds grad.

When I was a kid and first heard the intriguing designation "World's Fastest Human", it was Hines. RIP

Big C said:

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When I was a kid and first heard the intriguing designation "World's Fastest Human", it was Hines. RIP

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He was the first person to break the 10 second barrier in the 100m dash.

The 100m record was broken 4 times in the span of 2 hours in SACRAMENTO.

Here's some excellent footage between he and Charlie Greene from MEXICO CITY.

That's Charlie Greene pictured in the YouTube link.
A legendary Cornhusker sprinter and fierce competitor... he passed away at age 76 last year just short of his 77th.
Hines also passed away at 76.

Hines signed a $150,000 football contract with the Miami Dolphins, but unlike Bob Hayes, he was not a "natural" football player and did not do well in the NFL.

When I was young during the Golden Age of Track and going to meets at Edwards, Charlie Greene was one of my favorites. Nobody looked cooler than he did in the starting blocks.




I posted this here before. At one of the track meets I attended at Edward's in the 70's, I snapped this photo of Wilt when he walked by my row. It was the second time I had seen Wilt at a running event. In 1968 my Dad took us to Ocean Beach to watch the finish of the Bay to Breakers (only a few thousand runners; Winner: Kenny Moore, Army). Wilt was at the finish watching.

One day at Edward's nearly 20 years ago at the North Coast Section "Meet of Champions" I found myself chatting with Phil Webb, a Bay Area track legend and coach with Pittsburg High.

Phil was a very friendly and gregarious man. People were attracted to his stature. He was 6-04 and 210 and had gone to Pittsburg High back in the late 60's as well as Colorado State and was drafted in the 11th round by the Detroit Lions in 1971 as a defensive back. He is still alive and doing well today and helping out the Pittsburg High Football program whenever he can.

During his track days at Colorado State, he would wind up facing off against (the younger) University of Colorado's Cliff Branch in the 60m and 100m dash. Branch (a long time Santa Rosa resident who passed away 3 years ago at the age of 71 and had lost all of his football memorabilia in the Tubbs fire in 2017) was a one-time World Record holder in the 60m dash. The 5-11 170 lb. Branch had run 10.00 in an NCAA Semi-Final in Eugene, Oregon for the University of Colorado. In the finals, he placed 5th in 10.1

My friend from Pittsburgh, Phil Webb actually beat Cliff Branch in the 60m dash indoors at one meet.
He had some great "stories" from back in the Golden Age of track and field running against the greats!

Amazing video link from the Raiders of Branch:

No NFL Wide Receiver Had What Cliff Branch Had | Raiders | NFL - YouTube


Great read of Branch as an athlete and resident of Santa Rosa:

Ex-Raider Cliff Branch, a longtime Santa Rosa resident, dies at 71 (pressdemocrat.com)

RIP.

I saw her in the cozy confines of Yoshi's, must have been around 1994-95, I was with a German-Brazilian date, we had a little conversation with Astrud, who also was half-German.

RESPECT THE LEGEND FOREVER 😢 pic.twitter.com/Cr6CC9pXSO

— The Iron Sheik (@the_ironsheik) June 7, 2023

DiabloWags said:

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Hines signed a $150,000 football contract with the Miami Dolphins, but unlike Bob Hayes, he was not a "natural" football player and did not do well in the NFL.

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I recall reading that Jimmie had lousy hands. When he was with the Dolphins, he supposedly acquired the nickname "Ooops".

Death of a Cray Cray Bear.

HearstMining said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Hines signed a $150,000 football contract with the Miami Dolphins, but unlike Bob Hayes, he was not a "natural" football player and did not do well in the NFL.

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I recall reading that Jimmie had lousy hands. When he was with the Dolphins, he supposedly acquired the nickname "Ooops".

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Skeets Nehemiah also had poor hands. We saw that with the 49er's during the John Taylor years.

When I was 15 in 1969, I was in the house when Tommie Smith, a Bengal WR,reeled in a 41 yard bomb against the Raiders in Oakland. Atkinson tuned him up and separated Smith's shoulder on the tackle. I think it was Tommie's last play in the NFL.

John Carlos never made it as a football player either. I don't remember any skill set deficiencies but I think he injured his knee.

bearister said:

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Death of a Cray Cray Bear.

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About a month ago on the show I broke down the Unabomber's participation in the MKULTRA program when he was 16 at Harvard https://t.co/Y1Zy6BJGPk

— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) June 10, 2023

Cray Cray was in deep with the Deep State.

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John Carlos never made it as a football player either. I don't remember any skill set deficiencies but I think he injured his knee.

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You are correct Bearister.
Carlos joined the Philadelphia Eagles, but a knee injury cut his career short to only one year.

Carlos ran for legendary SJSU coach Lloyd "Bud" Winter.
In 1969 (after the Olympics) he helped San Jose State win an NCAA Championship for the first time, winning the 100, 220, and 4x100 relay. His 100 yard dash time was 9.1

HearstMining said:

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Vida Blue, Joe Kapp, Gordon Lightfoot, Jim Brown, and now Tina Turner. Nobody ever told me that part of getting old would be watching the icons of your youth go before you did. She reminds me of a high school buddy who loved her rendition of Proud Mary. She combined energy, raunchiness (her word from a 1996 60 Minutes interview, now on Youtube) with a real elegance better than any female performer I can think of. Madonna, Gaga, Beyonce, etc are not even close.

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I feel like I've already seen a number of my favorite rock icons die from even the younger set. Kurt Cobain, Chris Cornell, Layne Staley, Mark Lanegan, and I'm sure I could think of more.