Obituaries

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concordtom said:

Big C said:

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Funny, because I almost wrote it that way, just for you.
But it's not my thread, no matter how often you joke to play it that way.

Death belongs to ALL of us.

Still, I persist...

concordtom, the death of Bob Knight is being reported over on the Men's Basketball forum and that's kind of irking me. I think you ought to go over there and get things squared away. (or is that actually okay because of, like, "Rule 8b" or something?)


I never liked Bobby Knight. In fact, I strongly disliked him. So, I wish you'd have left it on the Hoops board and never have posted him over here on my thread.

Ooops. I said it.
There, are you happy?

(No tears for Bobby. Only laughter.)

You can't post Big Fella here, because he's loved.
You can't post Bobby here, because he's disliked.
And when Trump dies, we get to have 1000 new threads, each a celebration of their own!

(Sorry to those basketball people who may have actually known Bobby and may have actually had reason to like him.)

Now I'm a little confused: The "Obituaries" thread is only for good people who croak? Or are you making this stuff up as you go?

Bob Knight was an interesting guy. Could be a jerk and a bully. Also could be a great friend and was a great coach (for players who could accept his style and not be broken by it). Would I have wanted my son to play for him? Maybe, maybe not, depending. Tons of his former players revered him, the ones that made it through.
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Big C said:

concordtom said:

Big C said:

concordtom said:

Funny, because I almost wrote it that way, just for you.
But it's not my thread, no matter how often you joke to play it that way.

Death belongs to ALL of us.

Still, I persist...

concordtom, the death of Bob Knight is being reported over on the Men's Basketball forum and that's kind of irking me. I think you ought to go over there and get things squared away. (or is that actually okay because of, like, "Rule 8b" or something?)


I never liked Bobby Knight. In fact, I strongly disliked him. So, I wish you'd have left it on the Hoops board and never have posted him over here on my thread.

Ooops. I said it.
There, are you happy?

(No tears for Bobby. Only laughter.)

You can't post Big Fella here, because he's loved.
You can't post Bobby here, because he's disliked.
And when Trump dies, we get to have 1000 new threads, each a celebration of their own!

(Sorry to those basketball people who may have actually known Bobby and may have actually had reason to like him.)

Now I'm a little confused: The "Obituaries" thread is only for good people who croak? Or are you making this stuff up as you go?

Bob Knight was an interesting guy. Could be a jerk and a bully. Also could be a great friend and was a great coach (for players who could accept his style and not be broken by it). Would I have wanted my son to play for him? Maybe, maybe not, depending. Tons of his former players revered him, the ones that made it through.


Okay, I gave you one freebie. Don't box me in, it's a free world! (Yes, making it up as I go along. I only had 1 thought initially for this thread, just to organize and clean up the OT board, which was becoming littered with death threads.)

Moving on…. Who will die tomorrow?
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I've been listening to this the past few days.

It's really good. I highly recommend.

Or at least listen to the first 4 minutes here:


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He was a great basketball coach in the old school Negative Reinforcement tradition (think G.D. Spradlin as the coach in Robby Benson's One on One movie). He had what I presume was untreated anger management issues* that never would have been tolerated had they not been deodorized by his success.* He was a classic bully. Maybe he had some redeeming qualities.


*Which brings to mind that sexual harassing rainmaking partners were once tolerated in law firms until a couple of whopper jury verdicts dwarfed the partner's financial contribution to the firm.

*https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Knight Go to "Criticism and controversy"

* …and as we learned from General Patton, one size doesn't fit all when leading young men.

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okaydo said:






















Bob Knight was a jackass and overrated as a coach, too.



Cal88
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dimitrig said:



Bob Knight was a jackass and overrated as a coach, too.


Seriously?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Knight#Head_coaching_record
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Those are a bunch of Machiavellians. Ignore them.
Some things are just a game. The survival of the planet didn't depend on his bad manners saving us all.
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Cal88 said:

dimitrig said:



Bob Knight was a jackass and overrated as a coach, too.


Seriously?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Knight#Head_coaching_record

Maybe because I wasn't around in the 1970s for his heydey, but since 1993-94 (the last time his Indiana team did it) his teams made the Sweet Sixteen exactly once.

Not saying he was a BAD coach, but his longevity propelled him to so many wins and his notoriety made him a household name.

His all-time winning percentage is 36th.







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He coached 30 seasons at Indiana. His record wasn't as good his last 6-7 years which dropped his avg a bit, but through the 70s and 80s he clearly was one of the very top NCAA coaches, with 3 championships and 11 B1G titles.
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dimitrig said:

Cal88 said:

dimitrig said:



Bob Knight was a jackass and overrated as a coach, too.


Seriously?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Knight#Head_coaching_record

Maybe because I wasn't around in the 1970s for his heydey, but since 1993-94 (the last time his Indiana time did it) his teams made the Sweet Sixteen exactly once.

Not saying he was a BAD coach, but his longevity propelled him to so many wins and his notoriety made him a household name.

His all-time winning percentage is 36th.








Bob Knight overrated? He won 3 NCAA Championships, and he did it with good but not great players. He never had a Kareem or a Bill Walton, like the "Wizard" of Westwood.

Bob Knight was one of Pete Newell's best friends. Together they invented the principles of motion offense, which is the foundation of modern basketball. And it was Bobby who called Newell on the phone and wanted to discuss some ideas about how to change the way basketball was played. It was his idea to begin with.

I would say his episodes of temper were what caused him to be underrated.

Yours is an uninformed opinion, my friend. I'm going to have to read your posts with both eyes open from now on.
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On Thursday Dana Carvey announced the death of his 32-year-old son, Dex from an accidental drug overdose. "We will miss him forever," the comedian said in part in a statement posted on social media.

Like his father, Dex Carvey was also an actor; his credits included the film "Joe Dirt 2" (2015) and the TV miniseries "The Funster" (2014).

"Last night we suffered a terrible tragedy," Carvey said in his statement, written on behalf of his family. "Our beloved son, Dex, died of an accidental drug overdoes. He was 32 years old."

"Dex packed a lot into those 32 years. He was extremely talented at so many things music, art, film making, comedy and pursued all of them passionately," Carvey continued.

"It's not an exaggeration to say that Dex loved life," Carvey wrote. "And when you were with him, you loved life too. He made everything fun. But most of all, he loved his family, his friends and his girlfriend, Kaylee."

Writing that his son "a beautiful person," Carvey said "his handmade cards are a treasure. We will miss him forever."

The "Saturday Night Live" alum concluded with a message for other people battling addiction.
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A good song well sung in an era when you had to have actual talent to succeed.
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concordtom said:

On Thursday Dana Carvey announced the death of his 32-year-old son, Dex from an accidental drug overdose. "We will miss him forever," the comedian said in part in a statement posted on social media.

Like his father, Dex Carvey was also an actor; his credits included the film "Joe Dirt 2" (2015) and the TV miniseries "The Funster" (2014).

"Last night we suffered a terrible tragedy," Carvey said in his statement, written on behalf of his family. "Our beloved son, Dex, died of an accidental drug overdoes. He was 32 years old."

"Dex packed a lot into those 32 years. He was extremely talented at so many things music, art, film making, comedy and pursued all of them passionately," Carvey continued.

"It's not an exaggeration to say that Dex loved life," Carvey wrote. "And when you were with him, you loved life too. He made everything fun. But most of all, he loved his family, his friends and his girlfriend, Kaylee."

Writing that his son "a beautiful person," Carvey said "his handmade cards are a treasure. We will miss him forever."

The "Saturday Night Live" alum concluded with a message for other people battling addiction.

Rich people's problems: It can't be easy to be the child of a rich, famous entertainer. Okay, so your family has 100 million dollars, but what do you do with your life? You can't become, like, an electrician or an accountant, so you sort of follow in your mom or dad's footsteps, but it's unlikely that you ever rise beyond "C level", if for no other reason than regression to the mean. But then you're w/o an identity of your own and possibly miserable.

The way it's supposed to work in this country is that each generation makes a little more "progress" than the previous one. My family is still working on that. We're mostly happy.
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I agree with what you wrote….and you inspired me to see if there are any exceptions to the general rule that you stated. This is interesting:

Celebrities' Kids With Regular Jobs


https://www.buzzfeed.com/laurengarafano/celebrity-children-with-normal-jobs
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bearister said:

I agree with what you wrote….and you inspired me to see if there are any exceptions to the general rule that you stated. This is interesting:

Celebrities' Kids With Regular Jobs


https://www.buzzfeed.com/laurengarafano/celebrity-children-with-normal-jobs
Several of the kids in your link have started or own small businesses. Starting a business usually takes some capital, and it is a good bet that the capital probably came from their parents.
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SFCB, you are buzz killing me here. Better than using the seed money to develop a heroin addiction.
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I'm simultaneously listening to 3 audiobooks on 3 different figures from the 1960s.

On my Samsung Galaxy A50, which I use around the house, I have: G-Man: J. Edgar Hoover and the Making of the American Century, which won a Pulitzer this year and which is excellent as a 36-hour audioboot.

On my iPhone SE 2, which I use around the house and which I refer to as my "robbery iPhone," which I use when walking outside during times I might be robbed, I have: Sticky Fingers: The Life and Times of Jann Wenner and Rolling Stone Magazine, which is also excellent.

And on my iPhone 11 Pro Max, which is my primary phone, I've been listening to Nixonland: The Rise of a President and the Fracturing of America, which is very excellent.

This morning while going to the supermarket, I got to the part of Nixonland where Henry Kissinger comes into the picture. I had no idea that they hated each other before liking each other.

Anyways, it's weird that I'd be listening to an audiobook on Henry Kissinger on today of all days.






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https://www.reuters.com/world/us/key-facts-about-henry-kissinger-us-diplomat-presidential-adviser-2023-11-30/

https://www.abebooks.com/9780818400476/Kissinger-Adventures-Super-Kraut-Ashman-Charles-0818400471/plp

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https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29435.Nixon_Agonistes

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bearister said:

SFCB, you are buzz killing me here. Better than using the seed money to develop a heroin addiction.
Bearister,

So sorry. On a board often overloaded with negativity, I should have appreciated your attempt to bring us some sunshine. We don't get near enough of that here. I'll try and do better.

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I was just bust'in your chops buddy…to keep you sharp.
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okaydo said:

I'm simultaneously listening to 3 audiobooks on 3 different figures from the 1960s.

On my Samsung Galaxy A50, which I use around the house, I have: G-Man: J. Edgar Hoover and the Making of the American Century, which won a Pulitzer this year and which is excellent as a 36-hour audioboot.

On my iPhone SE 2, which I use around the house and which I refer to as my "robbery iPhone," which I use when walking outside during times I might be robbed, I have: Sticky Fingers: The Life and Times of Jann Wenner and Rolling Stone Magazine, which is also excellent.

And on my iPhone 11 Pro Max, which is my primary phone, I've been listening to Nixonland: The Rise of a President and the Fracturing of America, which is very excellent.

This morning while going to the supermarket, I got to the part of Nixonland where Henry Kissinger comes into the picture. I had no idea that they hated each other before liking each other.

Anyways, it's weird that I'd be listening to an audiobook on Henry Kissinger on today of all days.







Wow. You can listen to 3 phones all at once? You must be Einstein or Swami or someone

I have only one phone, and it gives me more trouble than 10 women. Just when I've got it figured out, it throws another software update at me, like a new icon, or a new home screen, or 5 new things I can use it for, or 3 new ways for me to operate it. After I figure out how to do one of these new things, I need a nap.
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December 25, 2016: George Michael, singer of the iconic Christmas song "Last Christmas" (with Andrew Ridgeley, dies on Christmas Day.

November 30, 2023: Shane MacGowan, singer of the iconic Christmas song "Fairytale of New York" (with (Kristy MacColl), dies during Christmas season.









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SFCityBear said:

okaydo said:

I'm simultaneously listening to 3 audiobooks on 3 different figures from the 1960s.

On my Samsung Galaxy A50, which I use around the house, I have: G-Man: J. Edgar Hoover and the Making of the American Century, which won a Pulitzer this year and which is excellent as a 36-hour audioboot.

On my iPhone SE 2, which I use around the house and which I refer to as my "robbery iPhone," which I use when walking outside during times I might be robbed, I have: Sticky Fingers: The Life and Times of Jann Wenner and Rolling Stone Magazine, which is also excellent.

And on my iPhone 11 Pro Max, which is my primary phone, I've been listening to Nixonland: The Rise of a President and the Fracturing of America, which is very excellent.

This morning while going to the supermarket, I got to the part of Nixonland where Henry Kissinger comes into the picture. I had no idea that they hated each other before liking each other.

Anyways, it's weird that I'd be listening to an audiobook on Henry Kissinger on today of all days.







Wow. You can listen to 3 phones all at once? You must be Einstein or Swami or someone

I have only one phone, and it gives me more trouble than 10 women. Just when I've got it figured out, it throws another software update at me, like a new icon, or a new home screen, or 5 new things I can use it for, or 3 new ways for me to operate it. After I figure out how to do one of these new things, I need a nap.


I have 5 iPhones and 2 Samsungs.

The iPhones are mostly old and aren't worth much if I sell them.

The iPhone SE I bought for my dad early last year. He died 6 months ago. So I'm using it.

I have 2 cheap cell phone plans (I pay $16/month total for 2 phone plans)

I bought the Samsungs really cheap because I have many, many Samsung Galaxy Buds earbuds and Samsung doesn't offer updates through iPhones. You need Android.

The great thing about having 2 (working) phones is I could have the hefty phone and the light iPhone.
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Shane, We hardly knew ye.





The Pogues' Shane MacGowan dies aged 65



https://mol.im/a/12809527

* Joe Strummer often performed with the Pogues.
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Sandra Day O'Connor passes at 93.

It is crazy to think that she could have still been a Supreme Court judge up until today.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/01/us/sandra-day-oconnor-dead.html
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Henry Kissinger was a foreign policy giant. I would describe his policy, in a nutshell, as "the end justifies the means", so if you believe that, you probably appreciated him. Otherwise, not so much.

Quite a coincidence that Kissinger made it to 100 and we just saw a frail Jimmy Carter, 99, at his wife's funeral. Carter's been in hospice for several months now... I would guess he's day-to-day.

The coincidence isn't just that these two guys were high up in government and lived to be really old. Kissinger served in the Nixon and Ford administrations and Carter defeated Ford in 1976. His foreign policy was quite a bit different than Kissinger's, stressing "human rights" over the end justifying the means.
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Big C said:


Henry Kissinger was a foreign policy giant. I would describe his policy, in a nutshell, as "the end justifies the means", so if you believe that, you probably appreciated him. Otherwise, not so much.

Quite a coincidence that Kissinger made it to 100 and we just saw a frail Jimmy Carter, 99, at his wife's funeral. Carter's been in hospice for several months now... I would guess he's day-to-day.

The coincidence isn't just that these two guys were high up in government and lived to be really old. Kissinger served in the Nixon and Ford administrations and Carter defeated Ford in 1976. His foreign policy was quite a bit different than Kissinger's, stressing "human rights" over the end justifying the means.

Carter was probably genuine about his concern for human rights, perhaps growing up as a progressive Democrat he was influenced by JFK, who advocated a break from previous colonialist policies in the developing world.

This being said, his main foreign policy adviser was Brzezinski, who was fairly close to Kissinger in his views on geopolitics and "Realpolitik". Both Kissinger and Brzezinski were very close to the Rockefellers and the Trilateral Commission.

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For Zbig, New York offered a specific advantage over Cambridge: It provided a portal into elite political circles. As it had for Kissinger, the then-still-influential Council on Foreign Relations provided a venue that enabled Brzezinski to curry favor with the rich and powerful, and to establish his bona fides as a statesman to watch. Henry's patron was Nelson Rockefeller; Zbig's was Nelson's brother David.

Although not an ideologue, Brzezinski was a liberal Democrat of a consistently hawkish persuasion. Committed to social justice at home, he was also committed to toughness abroad. In the 1960s, he supported US intervention in Vietnam, treated the domino theory as self-evidently true, and argued that, with American credibility on the line, the United States had no alternative but to continue prosecuting the war. Even after the war ended, Vasse writes, Brzezinski "did not view Vietnam as a mistake."
https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/zbigniew-brzezinski-cold-war-biography/
 
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