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movielover
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concordtom said:

movielover said:


Insulting Americans after having killed hundreds of thousands w fentanyl.


Oh god.
What a horrible response.
Blame them for our street drug habits.


What is your favorite taqueria on the Taco Trail?

MAGA + MAHA > Tech Bros
concordtom
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You're weird.
wraptor347
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Genius.

It was tough but the tariffs were necessary. They were the only way to... (check notes) talk with foreign nations.

Republicans have completely abdicated their duty. Trump will throw another tantrum and insist on bringing back tariffs on our allies because his feelings got hurt.
movielover
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China never abides by deals they agree to.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DIO7UVUIpMA/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
concordtom
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

movielover said:

Anarchistbear said:



Lots of Chinese memes about the return of US manufacturing post "liberation day"


Insulting Americans after having killed hundreds of thousands w fentanyl.
Any Americans stupid enough to get hooked on Fentanyl deserve to be insulted. No one forced them to do it and the signs that drug abuse is bad for you have been obvious for decades. Funny that after years of right wing Just Say No rhetoric, you think that MAGA drug abusers are victims.


The way it works is this:

Young people start drinking
You people start smoking
Young people start snorting

Over time, their brains are trained to seek those highs. All these substances are mood altering drugs, and brains get trained to seek outside substances for those highs, rather than
Food
Exercise
Sex
Social relationships

Or rather, in addition to.

But in their addiction, they eventually get tripped up on (killed by) drugs laced with fentanyl.

Why would they be taking g drugs laced with fentanyl??
Because drug dealers cut their cocaine with it, because it's cheaper than cocaine.

Dealers have been cutting drugs since forever.
Baking powder for cocaine
Dime bags of leafy pot with sage or whatever.
Mixed drinks at the bar with ice or water. I've had bartenders tell me they save money by making weak drinks after someone has had the first two. Maybe you've been served a weak well drink before.

The amount of fentanyl that is fatal is minute, and garage drug dealers are not exactly precise.

So they can mix it to save money without the customer knowing what they were high on a certain amount of time. But if they mess up once in a while, the customer ends up dead.

This is why some people say, just make drugs legal but distributed in a controlled way. I don't agree with that, but look….

It's very hard to control black markets.
So, my solution is to be up front about our drug problem as a nation and educate children at a very young age.

I believe it is possible to change culture. But we have not yet been successful in doing so.

Watch the movie Beautiful Boy.
I lived that story with my brother. He didn't die from fentanyl, but drugs killed him nonetheless.

Massive cultural change required, not coming. The Chinese are not to blame for our problems. Eliminate demand.

I realize I'm speaking to the other guy, not you. You didn't blame the Chinese. He did. He likes movies. I gave him a movie.
sycasey
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Eastern Oregon Bear
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sycasey said:


It's amusing to see the Trumpites bending themselves into pretzels trying to shine up this latest pile of brown stuff.
sycasey
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

sycasey said:


It's amusing to see the Trumpites bending themselves into pretzels trying to shine up this latest pile of brown stuff.

It's honestly the right wing that behaves more like old-school communists these days.
movielover
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concordtom said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

movielover said:

Anarchistbear said:



Lots of Chinese memes about the return of US manufacturing post "liberation day"


Insulting Americans after having killed hundreds of thousands w fentanyl.
Any Americans stupid enough to get hooked on Fentanyl deserve to be insulted. No one forced them to do it and the signs that drug abuse is bad for you have been obvious for decades. Funny that after years of right wing Just Say No rhetoric, you think that MAGA drug abusers are victims.


The way it works is this:

Young people start drinking
You people start smoking
Young people start snorting

Over time, their brains are trained to seek those highs. All these substances are mood altering drugs, and brains get trained to seek outside substances for those highs, rather than
Food
Exercise
Sex
Social relationships

Or rather, in addition to.

But in their addiction, they eventually get tripped up on (killed by) drugs laced with fentanyl.

Why would they be taking g drugs laced with fentanyl??
Because drug dealers cut their cocaine with it, because it's cheaper than cocaine.

Dealers have been cutting drugs since forever.
Baking powder for cocaine
Dime bags of leafy pot with sage or whatever.
Mixed drinks at the bar with ice or water. I've had bartenders tell me they save money by making weak drinks after someone has had the first two. Maybe you've been served a weak well drink before.

The amount of fentanyl that is fatal is minute, and garage drug dealers are not exactly precise.

So they can mix it to save money without the customer knowing what they were high on a certain amount of time. But if they mess up once in a while, the customer ends up dead.

This is why some people say, just make drugs legal but distributed in a controlled way. I don't agree with that, but look….

It's very hard to control black markets.
So, my solution is to be up front about our drug problem as a nation and educate children at a very young age.

I believe it is possible to change culture. But we have not yet been successful in doing so.

Watch the movie Beautiful Boy.
I lived that story with my brother. He didn't die from fentanyl, but drugs killed him nonetheless.

Massive cultural change required, not coming. The Chinese are not to blame for our problems. Eliminate demand.

I realize I'm speaking to the other guy, not you. You didn't blame the Chinese. He did. He likes movies. I gave him a movie.


Buried Facts:

China produces fentanyl and fentanyl components
China exports the above to the USA, Mexico, and Canada, the later two serving as trans shipment points into the USA
China is an Authoritarian Comminist regime
President Xi promised President Trump he would clamp down on fentanyl production, distribution, and export
They haven't.
China is a nation and culture known for stealing IP and breaking agreements
China has the largest shipping fleets in the world

So did PM Xi lie, or is he incompetent?
sycasey
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Cal88
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concordtom said:

Cal88 said:

calpoly said:

Cal88 said:


It's time for you to get a life, dude. Let's put an end to the idiotic tweets from your Twitter friends!

Yeah, maybe I should stick to 100% aggro, low-info drive-by invectives as seemingly favored by socially inept members of the California Polytechnic State University faculty.


Easy there, hoss!
My daughter graduated from there 2 years ago and she's already well over 6 figures.

Congrats!
SBGold
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movielover said:


well, probably not after all, NVM

VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever
SBGold
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

sycasey said:


It's amusing to see the Trumpites bending themselves into pretzels trying to shine up this latest pile of brown stuff.
They just need to admit they know nothing about economic strength or policy.

This admin is in shambles already and it is early April

VOTE BLUE

To hell with MAGAts

Go Bears Forever
DiabloWags
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Looks like Bearister gets his insider trading investigation wish.

concordtom
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Unfortunately the GOP won't bother with any investigation.
DiabloWags
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concordtom said:

Unfortunately the GOP won't bother with any investigation.

I bet he makes the Biden Crime Family look like amateurs!
bear2034
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DiabloWags said:

concordtom said:

Unfortunately the GOP won't bother with any investigation.
I bet he makes the Biden Crime Family look like amateurs!

Joe Biden lied and pretended that Hunter's laptop wasn't real then proceeded to pardon his entire crime family based on the contents of the laptop.
concordtom
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DiabloWags said:

concordtom said:

Unfortunately the GOP won't bother with any investigation.

I bet he makes the Biden Crime Family look like amateurs!


That already happened years ago.
movielover
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Stock Market Hysteria

** OMG the world is going to end, a decline I won't ve able to service my convertible p-nis-extension **

Stock market soars.
concordtom
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Cal88 said:

concordtom said:

Cal88 said:

calpoly said:

Cal88 said:


It's time for you to get a life, dude. Let's put an end to the idiotic tweets from your Twitter friends!

Yeah, maybe I should stick to 100% aggro, low-info drive-by invectives as seemingly favored by socially inept members of the California Polytechnic State University faculty.


Easy there, hoss!
My daughter graduated from there 2 years ago and she's already well over 6 figures.

Congrats!


It's the result of:

Wage inflation
Near full employment
Biden economy
Parents DNA
The fine university that prepared her for success
The randomness of the universe

I don't think she's interested in any upcoming repatriated manufacturing jobs, however. Maybe illegal aliens would be interested, however. If they got paid under the table the premium to China would only be double.
concordtom
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movielover said:



** OMG the world is going to end, a decline I won't ve able to service my convertible p-nis-extension **



Save yer money!
I hear if you rub it really fast it'll stretch out for you.
SBGold
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movielover said:

Stock Market Hysteria

** OMG the world is going to end, a decline I won't ve able to service my convertible p-nis-extension **

Stock market soars.
and then it crashes again. Dumb MAGAts

To hell with MAGAts

VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever
concordtom
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China shall have a 145% tax on ALL imports???

That's insane.



I asked ChatGPT what commonly used items Americans buy from China, so I might know to stock up on inventory.

Quote:

Americans regularly buy a wide range of consumer goods from China. Many of these are everyday items found in homes, offices, and stores across the U.S. Some of the most common include:

### 1. **Electronics**
- Smartphones (including components for iPhones)
- Laptops, tablets, and accessories
- Televisions and monitors
- Small appliances like toasters, air fryers, and vacuums
- LED lighting and light fixtures

### 2. **Clothing and Footwear**
- T-shirts, jeans, jackets
- Shoes, boots, and sneakers
- Underwear and socks
- Hats, scarves, and gloves

### 3. **Toys and Games**
- Children's toys and dolls
- Board games
- Puzzles and educational toys
- Video game controllers and accessories

### 4. **Household Goods**
- Cookware and kitchen utensils
- Furniture (assembled and flat-pack)
- Bedding, curtains, and towels
- Storage containers and organizers
- Cleaning tools (brooms, mops, etc.)

### 5. **Tools and Hardware**
- Hand tools (wrenches, hammers, screwdrivers)
- Power tools and tool kits
- Nails, screws, fasteners
- Plumbing and electrical supplies

### 6. **Automotive Parts**
- Aftermarket car parts
- Tires and accessories
- Car phone holders, chargers, mats

### 7. **Personal Care Products**
- Hair dryers, electric shavers, toothbrushes
- Makeup brushes and organizers
- Nail clippers and tweezers

### 8. **Sporting Goods and Outdoor Gear**
- Bicycles and scooters
- Camping gear (tents, lanterns)
- Fitness equipment (dumbbells, yoga mats)

### 9. **School and Office Supplies**
- Pens, notebooks, folders
- Staplers, scissors, tape dispensers
- Printer ink and paper

### 10. **Holiday Decorations**
- Christmas lights and ornaments
- Halloween costumes
- Party supplies

Many of these products are designed or marketed by American companies but manufactured in China due to lower production costs. Let me know if you want to explore how this dependency has shifted in recent years due to tariffs or supply chain diversification.
cal83dls79
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movielover said:

concordtom said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

movielover said:

Anarchistbear said:



Lots of Chinese memes about the return of US manufacturing post "liberation day"


Insulting Americans after having killed hundreds of thousands w fentanyl.
Any Americans stupid enough to get hooked on Fentanyl deserve to be insulted. No one forced them to do it and the signs that drug abuse is bad for you have been obvious for decades. Funny that after years of right wing Just Say No rhetoric, you think that MAGA drug abusers are victims.


The way it works is this:

Young people start drinking
You people start smoking
Young people start snorting

Over time, their brains are trained to seek those highs. All these substances are mood altering drugs, and brains get trained to seek outside substances for those highs, rather than
Food
Exercise
Sex
Social relationships

Or rather, in addition to.

But in their addiction, they eventually get tripped up on (killed by) drugs laced with fentanyl.

Why would they be taking g drugs laced with fentanyl??
Because drug dealers cut their cocaine with it, because it's cheaper than cocaine.

Dealers have been cutting drugs since forever.
Baking powder for cocaine
Dime bags of leafy pot with sage or whatever.
Mixed drinks at the bar with ice or water. I've had bartenders tell me they save money by making weak drinks after someone has had the first two. Maybe you've been served a weak well drink before.

The amount of fentanyl that is fatal is minute, and garage drug dealers are not exactly precise.

So they can mix it to save money without the customer knowing what they were high on a certain amount of time. But if they mess up once in a while, the customer ends up dead.

This is why some people say, just make drugs legal but distributed in a controlled way. I don't agree with that, but look….

It's very hard to control black markets.
So, my solution is to be up front about our drug problem as a nation and educate children at a very young age.

I believe it is possible to change culture. But we have not yet been successful in doing so.

Watch the movie Beautiful Boy.
I lived that story with my brother. He didn't die from fentanyl, but drugs killed him nonetheless.

Massive cultural change required, not coming. The Chinese are not to blame for our problems. Eliminate demand.

I realize I'm speaking to the other guy, not you. You didn't blame the Chinese. He did. He likes movies. I gave him a movie.


Buried Facts:

China produces fentanyl and fentanyl components
China exports the above to the USA, Mexico, and Canada, the later two serving as trans shipment points into the USA
China is an Authoritarian Comminist regime
President Xi promised President Trump he would clamp down on fentanyl production, distribution, and export
They haven't.
China is a nation and culture known for stealing IP and breaking agreements
China has the largest shipping fleets in the world

So did PM Xi lie, or is he incompetent?

tell that to importers and small businesses that import goods and sell them here to support their familes and whose businesses will be wiped out. Importers are paying the tarrifs not the Chinese government. But if you enjoy chaos have at it
Priest of the Patty Hearst Shrine
concordtom
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movielover said:

concordtom said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

movielover said:

Anarchistbear said:



Lots of Chinese memes about the return of US manufacturing post "liberation day"


Insulting Americans after having killed hundreds of thousands w fentanyl.
Any Americans stupid enough to get hooked on Fentanyl deserve to be insulted. No one forced them to do it and the signs that drug abuse is bad for you have been obvious for decades. Funny that after years of right wing Just Say No rhetoric, you think that MAGA drug abusers are victims.


The way it works is this:

Young people start drinking
You people start smoking
Young people start snorting

Over time, their brains are trained to seek those highs. All these substances are mood altering drugs, and brains get trained to seek outside substances for those highs, rather than
Food
Exercise
Sex
Social relationships

Or rather, in addition to.

But in their addiction, they eventually get tripped up on (killed by) drugs laced with fentanyl.

Why would they be taking g drugs laced with fentanyl??
Because drug dealers cut their cocaine with it, because it's cheaper than cocaine.

Dealers have been cutting drugs since forever.
Baking powder for cocaine
Dime bags of leafy pot with sage or whatever.
Mixed drinks at the bar with ice or water. I've had bartenders tell me they save money by making weak drinks after someone has had the first two. Maybe you've been served a weak well drink before.

The amount of fentanyl that is fatal is minute, and garage drug dealers are not exactly precise.

So they can mix it to save money without the customer knowing what they were high on a certain amount of time. But if they mess up once in a while, the customer ends up dead.

This is why some people say, just make drugs legal but distributed in a controlled way. I don't agree with that, but look….

It's very hard to control black markets.
So, my solution is to be up front about our drug problem as a nation and educate children at a very young age.

I believe it is possible to change culture. But we have not yet been successful in doing so.

Watch the movie Beautiful Boy.
I lived that story with my brother. He didn't die from fentanyl, but drugs killed him nonetheless.

Massive cultural change required, not coming. The Chinese are not to blame for our problems. Eliminate demand.

I realize I'm speaking to the other guy, not you. You didn't blame the Chinese. He did. He likes movies. I gave him a movie.


Buried Facts:

China produces fentanyl and fentanyl components
China exports the above to the USA, Mexico, and Canada, the later two serving as trans shipment points into the USA
China is an Authoritarian Comminist regime
President Xi promised President Trump he would clamp down on fentanyl production, distribution, and export
They haven't.
China is a nation and culture known for stealing IP and breaking agreements
China has the largest shipping fleets in the world

So did PM Xi lie, or is he incompetent?



Of course, the soundness of your logic evades me

US imports whatever shows up here. There has to be a buyer, and your shirk responsibility for that, which I tried to explain.

USA is the largest manufacturer of guns and bullets and other arms which are sold around the world. If you are only going to blame an exporter, are you going to accuse the USA for pushing killing machines on humanity?

I expect your response will again frustrate me, so if I drop from the exchange, you'll know why.
oski003
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cal83dls79 said:

movielover said:

concordtom said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

movielover said:

Anarchistbear said:



Lots of Chinese memes about the return of US manufacturing post "liberation day"


Insulting Americans after having killed hundreds of thousands w fentanyl.
Any Americans stupid enough to get hooked on Fentanyl deserve to be insulted. No one forced them to do it and the signs that drug abuse is bad for you have been obvious for decades. Funny that after years of right wing Just Say No rhetoric, you think that MAGA drug abusers are victims.


The way it works is this:

Young people start drinking
You people start smoking
Young people start snorting

Over time, their brains are trained to seek those highs. All these substances are mood altering drugs, and brains get trained to seek outside substances for those highs, rather than
Food
Exercise
Sex
Social relationships

Or rather, in addition to.

But in their addiction, they eventually get tripped up on (killed by) drugs laced with fentanyl.

Why would they be taking g drugs laced with fentanyl??
Because drug dealers cut their cocaine with it, because it's cheaper than cocaine.

Dealers have been cutting drugs since forever.
Baking powder for cocaine
Dime bags of leafy pot with sage or whatever.
Mixed drinks at the bar with ice or water. I've had bartenders tell me they save money by making weak drinks after someone has had the first two. Maybe you've been served a weak well drink before.

The amount of fentanyl that is fatal is minute, and garage drug dealers are not exactly precise.

So they can mix it to save money without the customer knowing what they were high on a certain amount of time. But if they mess up once in a while, the customer ends up dead.

This is why some people say, just make drugs legal but distributed in a controlled way. I don't agree with that, but look….

It's very hard to control black markets.
So, my solution is to be up front about our drug problem as a nation and educate children at a very young age.

I believe it is possible to change culture. But we have not yet been successful in doing so.

Watch the movie Beautiful Boy.
I lived that story with my brother. He didn't die from fentanyl, but drugs killed him nonetheless.

Massive cultural change required, not coming. The Chinese are not to blame for our problems. Eliminate demand.

I realize I'm speaking to the other guy, not you. You didn't blame the Chinese. He did. He likes movies. I gave him a movie.


Buried Facts:

China produces fentanyl and fentanyl components
China exports the above to the USA, Mexico, and Canada, the later two serving as trans shipment points into the USA
China is an Authoritarian Comminist regime
President Xi promised President Trump he would clamp down on fentanyl production, distribution, and export
They haven't.
China is a nation and culture known for stealing IP and breaking agreements
China has the largest shipping fleets in the world

So did PM Xi lie, or is he incompetent?

tell that to importers and small businesses that import goods and sell them here to support their familes and whose businesses will be wiped out. Importers are paying the tarrifs not the Chinese government. But if you enjoy chaos have at it


While the importer pays the tariff, the costs can be passed on to consumers in the form of higher prices, and exporters may have to lower their prices to remain competitive. The importer can also buy from a country besides China.
concordtom
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cal83dls79 said:

tell that to importers and small businesses that import goods and sell them here to support their familes and whose businesses will be wiped out. Importers are paying the tarrifs not the Chinese government. But if you enjoy chaos have at it


One day, tariffs will be lifted and it will usher in a massive bull market. Yes, domestic supply adjustments will be felt, but the economy will suddenly be supplied with many cheaper inputs and this will result in building, hiring, and savings that can be used elsewhere.
sycasey
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There is a decent argument for detaching from China as a trading partner, but this approach is extremely rapid and likely to lead to a lot of economic pain, as businesses don't have time to adjust.
cal83dls79
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concordtom said:

cal83dls79 said:

tell that to importers and small businesses that import goods and sell them here to support their familes and whose businesses will be wiped out. Importers are paying the tarrifs not the Chinese government. But if you enjoy chaos have at it


One day, tariffs will be lifted and it will usher in a massive bull market. Yes, domestic supply adjustments will be felt, but the economy will suddenly be supplied with many cheaper inputs and this will result in building, hiring, and savings that can be used elsewhere.
let me know when that happens
cal83dls79
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oski003 said:

cal83dls79 said:

movielover said:

concordtom said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

movielover said:

Anarchistbear said:



Lots of Chinese memes about the return of US manufacturing post "liberation day"


Insulting Americans after having killed hundreds of thousands w fentanyl.
Any Americans stupid enough to get hooked on Fentanyl deserve to be insulted. No one forced them to do it and the signs that drug abuse is bad for you have been obvious for decades. Funny that after years of right wing Just Say No rhetoric, you think that MAGA drug abusers are victims.


The way it works is this:

Young people start drinking
You people start smoking
Young people start snorting

Over time, their brains are trained to seek those highs. All these substances are mood altering drugs, and brains get trained to seek outside substances for those highs, rather than
Food
Exercise
Sex
Social relationships

Or rather, in addition to.

But in their addiction, they eventually get tripped up on (killed by) drugs laced with fentanyl.

Why would they be taking g drugs laced with fentanyl??
Because drug dealers cut their cocaine with it, because it's cheaper than cocaine.

Dealers have been cutting drugs since forever.
Baking powder for cocaine
Dime bags of leafy pot with sage or whatever.
Mixed drinks at the bar with ice or water. I've had bartenders tell me they save money by making weak drinks after someone has had the first two. Maybe you've been served a weak well drink before.

The amount of fentanyl that is fatal is minute, and garage drug dealers are not exactly precise.

So they can mix it to save money without the customer knowing what they were high on a certain amount of time. But if they mess up once in a while, the customer ends up dead.

This is why some people say, just make drugs legal but distributed in a controlled way. I don't agree with that, but look….

It's very hard to control black markets.
So, my solution is to be up front about our drug problem as a nation and educate children at a very young age.

I believe it is possible to change culture. But we have not yet been successful in doing so.

Watch the movie Beautiful Boy.
I lived that story with my brother. He didn't die from fentanyl, but drugs killed him nonetheless.

Massive cultural change required, not coming. The Chinese are not to blame for our problems. Eliminate demand.

I realize I'm speaking to the other guy, not you. You didn't blame the Chinese. He did. He likes movies. I gave him a movie.


Buried Facts:

China produces fentanyl and fentanyl components
China exports the above to the USA, Mexico, and Canada, the later two serving as trans shipment points into the USA
China is an Authoritarian Comminist regime
President Xi promised President Trump he would clamp down on fentanyl production, distribution, and export
They haven't.
China is a nation and culture known for stealing IP and breaking agreements
China has the largest shipping fleets in the world

So did PM Xi lie, or is he incompetent?

tell that to importers and small businesses that import goods and sell them here to support their familes and whose businesses will be wiped out. Importers are paying the tarrifs not the Chinese government. But if you enjoy chaos have at it


While the importer pays the tariff, the costs can be passed on to consumers in the form of higher prices, and exporters may have to lower their prices to remain competitive. The importer can also buy from a country besides China.
ok, so all Americans are paying the tariffs gotcha.
oski003
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cal83dls79 said:

oski003 said:

cal83dls79 said:

movielover said:

concordtom said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

movielover said:

Anarchistbear said:



Lots of Chinese memes about the return of US manufacturing post "liberation day"


Insulting Americans after having killed hundreds of thousands w fentanyl.
Any Americans stupid enough to get hooked on Fentanyl deserve to be insulted. No one forced them to do it and the signs that drug abuse is bad for you have been obvious for decades. Funny that after years of right wing Just Say No rhetoric, you think that MAGA drug abusers are victims.


The way it works is this:

Young people start drinking
You people start smoking
Young people start snorting

Over time, their brains are trained to seek those highs. All these substances are mood altering drugs, and brains get trained to seek outside substances for those highs, rather than
Food
Exercise
Sex
Social relationships

Or rather, in addition to.

But in their addiction, they eventually get tripped up on (killed by) drugs laced with fentanyl.

Why would they be taking g drugs laced with fentanyl??
Because drug dealers cut their cocaine with it, because it's cheaper than cocaine.

Dealers have been cutting drugs since forever.
Baking powder for cocaine
Dime bags of leafy pot with sage or whatever.
Mixed drinks at the bar with ice or water. I've had bartenders tell me they save money by making weak drinks after someone has had the first two. Maybe you've been served a weak well drink before.

The amount of fentanyl that is fatal is minute, and garage drug dealers are not exactly precise.

So they can mix it to save money without the customer knowing what they were high on a certain amount of time. But if they mess up once in a while, the customer ends up dead.

This is why some people say, just make drugs legal but distributed in a controlled way. I don't agree with that, but look….

It's very hard to control black markets.
So, my solution is to be up front about our drug problem as a nation and educate children at a very young age.

I believe it is possible to change culture. But we have not yet been successful in doing so.

Watch the movie Beautiful Boy.
I lived that story with my brother. He didn't die from fentanyl, but drugs killed him nonetheless.

Massive cultural change required, not coming. The Chinese are not to blame for our problems. Eliminate demand.

I realize I'm speaking to the other guy, not you. You didn't blame the Chinese. He did. He likes movies. I gave him a movie.


Buried Facts:

China produces fentanyl and fentanyl components
China exports the above to the USA, Mexico, and Canada, the later two serving as trans shipment points into the USA
China is an Authoritarian Comminist regime
President Xi promised President Trump he would clamp down on fentanyl production, distribution, and export
They haven't.
China is a nation and culture known for stealing IP and breaking agreements
China has the largest shipping fleets in the world

So did PM Xi lie, or is he incompetent?

tell that to importers and small businesses that import goods and sell them here to support their familes and whose businesses will be wiped out. Importers are paying the tarrifs not the Chinese government. But if you enjoy chaos have at it


While the importer pays the tariff, the costs can be passed on to consumers in the form of higher prices, and exporters may have to lower their prices to remain competitive. The importer can also buy from a country besides China.
ok, so all Americans are paying the tariffs gotcha.


There are only large tariffs when buying Chinese products. Most people can adjust without having daily meltdowns.
cal83dls79
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oski003 said:

cal83dls79 said:

oski003 said:

cal83dls79 said:

movielover said:

concordtom said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

movielover said:

Anarchistbear said:



Lots of Chinese memes about the return of US manufacturing post "liberation day"


Insulting Americans after having killed hundreds of thousands w fentanyl.
Any Americans stupid enough to get hooked on Fentanyl deserve to be insulted. No one forced them to do it and the signs that drug abuse is bad for you have been obvious for decades. Funny that after years of right wing Just Say No rhetoric, you think that MAGA drug abusers are victims.


The way it works is this:

Young people start drinking
You people start smoking
Young people start snorting

Over time, their brains are trained to seek those highs. All these substances are mood altering drugs, and brains get trained to seek outside substances for those highs, rather than
Food
Exercise
Sex
Social relationships

Or rather, in addition to.

But in their addiction, they eventually get tripped up on (killed by) drugs laced with fentanyl.

Why would they be taking g drugs laced with fentanyl??
Because drug dealers cut their cocaine with it, because it's cheaper than cocaine.

Dealers have been cutting drugs since forever.
Baking powder for cocaine
Dime bags of leafy pot with sage or whatever.
Mixed drinks at the bar with ice or water. I've had bartenders tell me they save money by making weak drinks after someone has had the first two. Maybe you've been served a weak well drink before.

The amount of fentanyl that is fatal is minute, and garage drug dealers are not exactly precise.

So they can mix it to save money without the customer knowing what they were high on a certain amount of time. But if they mess up once in a while, the customer ends up dead.

This is why some people say, just make drugs legal but distributed in a controlled way. I don't agree with that, but look….

It's very hard to control black markets.
So, my solution is to be up front about our drug problem as a nation and educate children at a very young age.

I believe it is possible to change culture. But we have not yet been successful in doing so.

Watch the movie Beautiful Boy.
I lived that story with my brother. He didn't die from fentanyl, but drugs killed him nonetheless.

Massive cultural change required, not coming. The Chinese are not to blame for our problems. Eliminate demand.

I realize I'm speaking to the other guy, not you. You didn't blame the Chinese. He did. He likes movies. I gave him a movie.


Buried Facts:

China produces fentanyl and fentanyl components
China exports the above to the USA, Mexico, and Canada, the later two serving as trans shipment points into the USA
China is an Authoritarian Comminist regime
President Xi promised President Trump he would clamp down on fentanyl production, distribution, and export
They haven't.
China is a nation and culture known for stealing IP and breaking agreements
China has the largest shipping fleets in the world

So did PM Xi lie, or is he incompetent?

tell that to importers and small businesses that import goods and sell them here to support their familes and whose businesses will be wiped out. Importers are paying the tarrifs not the Chinese government. But if you enjoy chaos have at it


While the importer pays the tariff, the costs can be passed on to consumers in the form of higher prices, and exporters may have to lower their prices to remain competitive. The importer can also buy from a country besides China.
ok, so all Americans are paying the tariffs gotcha.


There are only large tariffs when buying Chinese products. Most people can adjust without having daily meltdowns.
uh, we are talking about 500B in imports. Let's just admit it, this is/was a bad move that he is going to unwind with some spin job
oski003
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cal83dls79 said:

oski003 said:

cal83dls79 said:

oski003 said:

cal83dls79 said:

movielover said:

concordtom said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

movielover said:

Anarchistbear said:



Lots of Chinese memes about the return of US manufacturing post "liberation day"


Insulting Americans after having killed hundreds of thousands w fentanyl.
Any Americans stupid enough to get hooked on Fentanyl deserve to be insulted. No one forced them to do it and the signs that drug abuse is bad for you have been obvious for decades. Funny that after years of right wing Just Say No rhetoric, you think that MAGA drug abusers are victims.


The way it works is this:

Young people start drinking
You people start smoking
Young people start snorting

Over time, their brains are trained to seek those highs. All these substances are mood altering drugs, and brains get trained to seek outside substances for those highs, rather than
Food
Exercise
Sex
Social relationships

Or rather, in addition to.

But in their addiction, they eventually get tripped up on (killed by) drugs laced with fentanyl.

Why would they be taking g drugs laced with fentanyl??
Because drug dealers cut their cocaine with it, because it's cheaper than cocaine.

Dealers have been cutting drugs since forever.
Baking powder for cocaine
Dime bags of leafy pot with sage or whatever.
Mixed drinks at the bar with ice or water. I've had bartenders tell me they save money by making weak drinks after someone has had the first two. Maybe you've been served a weak well drink before.

The amount of fentanyl that is fatal is minute, and garage drug dealers are not exactly precise.

So they can mix it to save money without the customer knowing what they were high on a certain amount of time. But if they mess up once in a while, the customer ends up dead.

This is why some people say, just make drugs legal but distributed in a controlled way. I don't agree with that, but look….

It's very hard to control black markets.
So, my solution is to be up front about our drug problem as a nation and educate children at a very young age.

I believe it is possible to change culture. But we have not yet been successful in doing so.

Watch the movie Beautiful Boy.
I lived that story with my brother. He didn't die from fentanyl, but drugs killed him nonetheless.

Massive cultural change required, not coming. The Chinese are not to blame for our problems. Eliminate demand.

I realize I'm speaking to the other guy, not you. You didn't blame the Chinese. He did. He likes movies. I gave him a movie.


Buried Facts:

China produces fentanyl and fentanyl components
China exports the above to the USA, Mexico, and Canada, the later two serving as trans shipment points into the USA
China is an Authoritarian Comminist regime
President Xi promised President Trump he would clamp down on fentanyl production, distribution, and export
They haven't.
China is a nation and culture known for stealing IP and breaking agreements
China has the largest shipping fleets in the world

So did PM Xi lie, or is he incompetent?

tell that to importers and small businesses that import goods and sell them here to support their familes and whose businesses will be wiped out. Importers are paying the tarrifs not the Chinese government. But if you enjoy chaos have at it


While the importer pays the tariff, the costs can be passed on to consumers in the form of higher prices, and exporters may have to lower their prices to remain competitive. The importer can also buy from a country besides China.
ok, so all Americans are paying the tariffs gotcha.


There are only large tariffs when buying Chinese products. Most people can adjust without having daily meltdowns.
uh, we are talking about 500B in imports. Let's just admit it, this is/was a bad move that he is going to unwind with some spin job


We have 340 million + people. We can figure it out, at least until China becomes a fair business partner.
concordtom
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cal83dls79 said:

concordtom said:

cal83dls79 said:

tell that to importers and small businesses that import goods and sell them here to support their familes and whose businesses will be wiped out. Importers are paying the tarrifs not the Chinese government. But if you enjoy chaos have at it


One day, tariffs will be lifted and it will usher in a massive bull market. Yes, domestic supply adjustments will be felt, but the economy will suddenly be supplied with many cheaper inputs and this will result in building, hiring, and savings that can be used elsewhere.
let me know when that happens


When I was growing up in the 80's I recall lots of talk about the virtues of Free Trade.
Culture has shifted as we decline. Fear, protectionism have taken hold of the American mindset.

I wanted to say that we just need to wait for the purveyor of insular thinking to pass on, but he leaves remnants of the America First mindset behind as part of the nation's belief system.

So, you make a fair request.
concordtom
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oski003 said:

cal83dls79 said:

oski003 said:

cal83dls79 said:

oski003 said:

cal83dls79 said:

movielover said:

concordtom said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

movielover said:

Anarchistbear said:



Lots of Chinese memes about the return of US manufacturing post "liberation day"


Insulting Americans after having killed hundreds of thousands w fentanyl.
Any Americans stupid enough to get hooked on Fentanyl deserve to be insulted. No one forced them to do it and the signs that drug abuse is bad for you have been obvious for decades. Funny that after years of right wing Just Say No rhetoric, you think that MAGA drug abusers are victims.


The way it works is this:

Young people start drinking
You people start smoking
Young people start snorting

Over time, their brains are trained to seek those highs. All these substances are mood altering drugs, and brains get trained to seek outside substances for those highs, rather than
Food
Exercise
Sex
Social relationships

Or rather, in addition to.

But in their addiction, they eventually get tripped up on (killed by) drugs laced with fentanyl.

Why would they be taking g drugs laced with fentanyl??
Because drug dealers cut their cocaine with it, because it's cheaper than cocaine.

Dealers have been cutting drugs since forever.
Baking powder for cocaine
Dime bags of leafy pot with sage or whatever.
Mixed drinks at the bar with ice or water. I've had bartenders tell me they save money by making weak drinks after someone has had the first two. Maybe you've been served a weak well drink before.

The amount of fentanyl that is fatal is minute, and garage drug dealers are not exactly precise.

So they can mix it to save money without the customer knowing what they were high on a certain amount of time. But if they mess up once in a while, the customer ends up dead.

This is why some people say, just make drugs legal but distributed in a controlled way. I don't agree with that, but look….

It's very hard to control black markets.
So, my solution is to be up front about our drug problem as a nation and educate children at a very young age.

I believe it is possible to change culture. But we have not yet been successful in doing so.

Watch the movie Beautiful Boy.
I lived that story with my brother. He didn't die from fentanyl, but drugs killed him nonetheless.

Massive cultural change required, not coming. The Chinese are not to blame for our problems. Eliminate demand.

I realize I'm speaking to the other guy, not you. You didn't blame the Chinese. He did. He likes movies. I gave him a movie.


Buried Facts:

China produces fentanyl and fentanyl components
China exports the above to the USA, Mexico, and Canada, the later two serving as trans shipment points into the USA
China is an Authoritarian Comminist regime
President Xi promised President Trump he would clamp down on fentanyl production, distribution, and export
They haven't.
China is a nation and culture known for stealing IP and breaking agreements
China has the largest shipping fleets in the world

So did PM Xi lie, or is he incompetent?

tell that to importers and small businesses that import goods and sell them here to support their familes and whose businesses will be wiped out. Importers are paying the tarrifs not the Chinese government. But if you enjoy chaos have at it


While the importer pays the tariff, the costs can be passed on to consumers in the form of higher prices, and exporters may have to lower their prices to remain competitive. The importer can also buy from a country besides China.
ok, so all Americans are paying the tariffs gotcha.


There are only large tariffs when buying Chinese products. Most people can adjust without having daily meltdowns.
uh, we are talking about 500B in imports. Let's just admit it, this is/was a bad move that he is going to unwind with some spin job


We have 340 million + people. We can figure it out,


Can we similarly figure out $35T in debt?

 
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