In response to China throttling rare earth shipments worldwide, which they currently dominate.
We have the material, we just don't exploit it.
We have the material, we just don't exploit it.
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bearister said:
Let me get this straight, Trump is f@ucking over his base with his tariffs and then he is subsiding them with billions of taxpayer dollars so that they don't think that he f@ucked them over. Is that about right?
Yes.
He did the same exact thing in his first term when he bailed-out farmers with $28 BILLION from 2018 - 2019.
I thought the GOP was against bail-outs, no?
movielover said:
We have the material, we just don't exploit it.
The U.S. has no refining capacity.
movielover said:
In response to China throttling rare earth shipments worldwide, which they currently dominate.
We have the material, we just don't exploit it.
Trump put in place big loading fees for Chinese ships coming to US ports, this is what triggered the Chinese rare earth gambit. Trump doubled down with the 130% tariff nuclear option.
The stakes are pretty high.
Cal88 said:movielover said:
In response to China throttling rare earth shipments worldwide, which they currently dominate.
We have the material, we just don't exploit it.
Trump put in place big loading fees for Chinese ships coming to US ports, this is what triggered the Chinese rare earth gambit. Trump doubled down with the 130% tariff nuclear option.
The stakes are pretty high.
I read somewhere a $1 million docking fee per port for Chinese-built container ships - in an effort to restart our ship-building industry. Which would provide demand for local steel mills. Problem is, unless a GOP candidate wins, I can see the Dems selling us out, flip flopping back to the status quo. Or even a GOP non-MAGA type. ... BTW, if that $1 million per port fee is true, that may really hammer the Port of Oakland. I can see the large container ships just stopping in LA / LB ports, and returning backrestored? (I've read of one new domestic shipyard being constructed.)
The restoring of drug manufacturing is terrific, but when completed, any idea what % of drug manufacturing will be reshored?
good luck in your shipyard building quest…. Per Marine insight, "the U.S. shipbuilding industry is small, accounting for less than 0.1% of the global market, with fewer than ten commercial vessels built last year"movielover said:Cal88 said:movielover said:
In response to China throttling rare earth shipments worldwide, which they currently dominate.
We have the material, we just don't exploit it.
Trump put in place big loading fees for Chinese ships coming to US ports, this is what triggered the Chinese rare earth gambit. Trump doubled down with the 130% tariff nuclear option.
The stakes are pretty high.
I read somewhere a $1 million docking fee per port for Chinese-built container ships - in an effort to restart our ship-building industry. Which would provide demand for local steel mills. Problem is, unless a GOP candidate wins, I can see the Dems selling us out, flip flopping back to the status quo. Or even a GOP non-MAGA type. ... BTW, if that $1 million per port fee is true, that may really hammer the Port of Oakland. I can see the large container ships just stopping in LA / LB ports, and returning backrestored? (I've read of one new domestic shipyard being constructed.)
The restoring of drug manufacturing is terrific, but when completed, any idea what % of drug manufacturing will be reshored?
Good luck moving the ship building dial! We should be all dead by then.
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Instead of these rubbish posts of yours that repeatedly politicize . . . you might try working from a higher knowledge base.
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The Navy has struggled to construct ships. Now it may cut the admirals who help build them.
The plan, which would gut the three-star positions atop five naval commands, is part of a Pentagon push to thin the military brass.
By Paul McLeary and Jack Detsch
07/16/2025 04:10 PM EDT
The Navy is considering eliminating up to five high-level admiral positions key to the construction of ships and fighter planes, even as President Donald Trump has vowed to pull the Navy out of its shipbuilding crisis.
The evolving plan is part of a larger Pentagon effort to reduce the number of admirals and generals in the ranks, according to a defense official and a person familiar with the matter, as the Trump administration takes aim at what it sees as a top-heavy military that has lost its focus.
It would gut the three-star positions atop the five major commands Naval Sea, Naval Air, Naval Information Warfare, Naval Facilities Engineering and Naval Supply leaving them short of top-level military officials. The potential changes at the organizations, known as the Navy's system commands, would also greatly reduce their staff and eliminate jobs. This would remove experts intimately involved in designing, developing and acquiring new ships and submarines at a time when all of the service's shipbuilding programs are facing significant delays.
If Navy Secretary John Phelan goes ahead with the plan, "he would be decapitating the organizations responsible for executing shipbuilding effectively," said a former defense official, who like others, was granted anonymity to discuss closed-door meetings.
Capt. Adam Clampitt, a spokesperson for Phelan, denied the secretary was considering such a move and said no plans have reached his desk.
Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has prioritized thinning the military brass particularly its highest officials. He fired the chair of the Joint Chiefs, the Navy's top admiral and the Air Force's vice chief within his first several weeks on the job without citing a reason.
In May, Hegseth ordered a 20 percent cut of four-star generals and admirals and 10 percent of the military's more than 800 lower-ranking generals and admirals.
"Cuts to some of the Navy's top jobs come as the service struggles to meet increasing demands for new ships. The Navy, with four public shipyards, doesn't have enough space or workers to achieve its goal of increasing the size of the fleet. The service has faced cost overruns and missed deadlines on major ship programs for decades, despite pushes by the past three administrations.
Questioned by Congress last month about which of his ship programs were behind, Phelan conceded that "all of them" were.
Defense
National Security Daily
Global Security newsletter
Exclusive
The Navy has struggled to construct ships. Now it may cut the admirals who help build them.
The plan, which would gut the three-star positions atop five naval commands, is part of a Pentagon push to thin the military brass.
By Paul McLeary and Jack Detsch
07/16/2025 04:10 PM EDT
The Navy is considering eliminating up to five high-level admiral positions key to the construction of ships and fighter planes, even as President Donald Trump has vowed to pull the Navy out of its shipbuilding crisis.
The evolving plan is part of a larger Pentagon effort to reduce the number of admirals and generals in the ranks, according to a defense official and a person familiar with the matter, as the Trump administration takes aim at what it sees as a top-heavy military that has lost its focus.
It would gut the three-star positions atop the five major commands Naval Sea, Naval Air, Naval Information Warfare, Naval Facilities Engineering and Naval Supply leaving them short of top-level military officials. The potential changes at the organizations, known as the Navy's system commands, would also greatly reduce their staff and eliminate jobs. This would remove experts intimately involved in designing, developing and acquiring new ships and submarines at a time when all of the service's shipbuilding programs are facing significant delays.
If Navy Secretary John Phelan goes ahead with the plan, "he would be decapitating the organizations responsible for executing shipbuilding effectively," said a former defense official, who like others, was granted anonymity to discuss closed-door meetings.
Capt. Adam Clampitt, a spokesperson for Phelan, denied the secretary was considering such a move and said no plans have reached his desk.
Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has prioritized thinning the military brass particularly its highest officials. He fired the chair of the Joint Chiefs, the Navy's top admiral and the Air Force's vice chief within his first several weeks on the job without citing a reason.
In May, Hegseth ordered a 20 percent cut of four-star generals and admirals and 10 percent of the military's more than 800 lower-ranking generals and admirals.
"Cuts to some of the Navy's top jobs come as the service struggles to meet increasing demands for new ships. The Navy, with four public shipyards, doesn't have enough space or workers to achieve its goal of increasing the size of the fleet. The service has faced cost overruns and missed deadlines on major ship programs for decades, despite pushes by the past three administrations.
Questioned by Congress last month about which of his ship programs were behind, Phelan conceded that "all of them" were.
Yes, cut top brass and their staffs / pet projects.
movielover said:
Yes, cut top brass and their staffs / pet projects.
Your knowledge base is terribly poor.
Please educate yourself.
"Yet the U.S. has an astonishing lack of maritime capacity. Of the tens of thousands of large vessels that dot the oceans, a mere 0.13 percent are built in the United States. China, by contrast, fulfills roughly 60 percent of all new shipbuilding orders and has amassed more than 200 times America's shipbuilding capacity.
Not only do most U.S. imports and exports travel on foreign-built ships, but those ships are owned and crewed almost exclusively by nine giant carriers based in Europe and Asia. By the end of 2024, these carriers had organized into three cartels that controlled about 90 percent of the U.S. containerized-shipping trade."
How America Lost Control of the Seas | Bear Insider
You sound like a very unhappy person.
movielover said:
You sound like a very unhappy person.
Why?
Because I repeatedly call you "out" for your absurd narratives that hold no value?
I have no 'narrative' here, just the alleged $1 million dock fee and USA attempts to rebuild ship building, with which I am agnostic.
You brought up top Navy brass being let go, I endorse that being that we have a top-heavy, politicized, incompetent, much-too-expensive can't-fulfill-the-mission Military.
You brought up top Navy brass being let go, I endorse that being that we have a top-heavy, politicized, incompetent, much-too-expensive can't-fulfill-the-mission Military.
Late Friday President Donald Trump moved to impose an extra 100% tariff on China, but on Sunday that "it will all be fine."
Of course. The market got pounded. All this blinking and winking. His buds already bought the dip.
Of course. The market got pounded. All this blinking and winking. His buds already bought the dip.
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DiabloWags said:movielover said:
You sound like a very unhappy person.
Why?
Because I repeatedly call you "out" for your absurd narratives that hold no value?
No, it's because you always come off so angry and unhappy. You're always on defensive mode. You feel the need to show off and brag. Etc.
I guess it's easier to dismiss Diablo as angry and unhappy than to actually formulate arguments against his opinions.BearlySane88 said:DiabloWags said:movielover said:
You sound like a very unhappy person.
Why?
Because I repeatedly call you "out" for your absurd narratives that hold no value?
No, it's because you always come off so angry and unhappy. You're always on defensive mode. You feel the need to show off and brag. Etc.
Eastern Oregon Bear said:I guess it's easier to dismiss Diablo as angry and unhappy than to actually formulate arguments against his opinions.BearlySane88 said:DiabloWags said:movielover said:
You sound like a very unhappy person.
Why?
Because I repeatedly call you "out" for your absurd narratives that hold no value?
No, it's because you always come off so angry and unhappy. You're always on defensive mode. You feel the need to show off and brag. Etc.
Lmao get over yourself. No, it's easy to call him angry and unhappy because that's the way he presents himself.
Eastern Oregon Bear said:I guess it's easier to dismiss Diablo as angry and unhappy than to actually formulate arguments against his opinions.BearlySane88 said:DiabloWags said:movielover said:
You sound like a very unhappy person.
Why?
Because I repeatedly call you "out" for your absurd narratives that hold no value?
No, it's because you always come off so angry and unhappy. You're always on defensive mode. You feel the need to show off and brag. Etc.
Bingo.
These are very feeble minded people with cognitive capacity of a quail. As you so accurately stated, they are unable to formulate arguments that counter my opinion without resorting to posting tweets from morons and memes from losers.
Movielovwr does this ad nauseum.
Same with Bear2034 or whatever his name is today.
Xi hiccup: China walks back Export Control announcement on (not rare) rare earth materials.
DiabloWags said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:I guess it's easier to dismiss Diablo as angry and unhappy than to actually formulate arguments against his opinions.BearlySane88 said:DiabloWags said:movielover said:
You sound like a very unhappy person.
Why?
Because I repeatedly call you "out" for your absurd narratives that hold no value?
No, it's because you always come off so angry and unhappy. You're always on defensive mode. You feel the need to show off and brag. Etc.
Bingo.
These are very feeble minded people with cognitive capacity of a quail. As you so accurately stated, they are unable to formulate arguments that counter my opinion without resorting to posting tweets from morons and memes from losers.
Movielovwr does this ad nauseum.
Same with Bear2034 or whatever his name is today.
EO Bear inflated your ego more, thanks a lot. Now we all have to suffer more of your drivel and drunken rants
movielover said:
Xi hiccup: China walks back Export Control announcement on (not rare) rare earth materials.
No.
It was yet another Trump TACO in the making.
You should know this by now . . . but that Kool-Aid you keep drinking is super strong.
DiabloWags said:movielover said:
Xi hiccup: China walks back Export Control announcement on (not rare) rare earth materials.
No.
It was yet another Trump TACO in the making.
You should know this by now . . . but that Kool-Aid you keep drinking is super strong.
Cite your sources please.
BearlySane88 said:DiabloWags said:movielover said:
Xi hiccup: China walks back Export Control announcement on (not rare) rare earth materials.
No.
It was yet another Trump TACO in the making.
You should know this by now . . . but that Kool-Aid you keep drinking is super strong.
Cite your sources please.
Jordan Rochester, head of macro strategy for EMEA at Mizuho Bank.
Here's a free link to Bloomberg.
Youre welcome.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-10-13/dollar-rally-resumes-as-traders-brush-off-trump-s-tariff-threats?accessToken=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJzb3VyY2UiOiJTdWJzY3JpYmVyR2lmdGVkQXJ0aWNsZSIsImlhdCI6MTc2MDM5NzE5NSwiZXhwIjoxNzYxMDAxOTk1LCJhcnRpY2xlSWQiOiJUNDJKU0RHT1QwSk8wMCIsImJjb25uZWN0SWQiOiI0QTE0NjgyRTVEQjI0RDgyOEVGOTIxMzA1M0U4NzhDMiJ9.2HTJwo9eTHdkkgk_FNVRDsJqV-BGDPmrss56HGk3otM
DiabloWags said:BearlySane88 said:DiabloWags said:movielover said:
Xi hiccup: China walks back Export Control announcement on (not rare) rare earth materials.
No.
It was yet another Trump TACO in the making.
You should know this by now . . . but that Kool-Aid you keep drinking is super strong.
Cite your sources please.
Jordan Rochester, head of macro strategy for EMEA at Mizuho Bank.
Here's a free link to Bloomberg.
Youre welcome.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-10-13/dollar-rally-resumes-as-traders-brush-off-trump-s-tariff-threats?accessToken=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJzb3VyY2UiOiJTdWJzY3JpYmVyR2lmdGVkQXJ0aWNsZSIsImlhdCI6MTc2MDM5NzE5NSwiZXhwIjoxNzYxMDAxOTk1LCJhcnRpY2xlSWQiOiJUNDJKU0RHT1QwSk8wMCIsImJjb25uZWN0SWQiOiI0QTE0NjgyRTVEQjI0RDgyOEVGOTIxMzA1M0U4NzhDMiJ9.2HTJwo9eTHdkkgk_FNVRDsJqV-BGDPmrss56HGk3otM
So both sides are using the situation for leverage, I don't see your point
BearlySane88 said:DiabloWags said:BearlySane88 said:DiabloWags said:movielover said:
Xi hiccup: China walks back Export Control announcement on (not rare) rare earth materials.
No.
It was yet another Trump TACO in the making.
You should know this by now . . . but that Kool-Aid you keep drinking is super strong.
Cite your sources please.
Jordan Rochester, head of macro strategy for EMEA at Mizuho Bank.
Here's a free link to Bloomberg.
Youre welcome.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-10-13/dollar-rally-resumes-as-traders-brush-off-trump-s-tariff-threats?accessToken=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJzb3VyY2UiOiJTdWJzY3JpYmVyR2lmdGVkQXJ0aWNsZSIsImlhdCI6MTc2MDM5NzE5NSwiZXhwIjoxNzYxMDAxOTk1LCJhcnRpY2xlSWQiOiJUNDJKU0RHT1QwSk8wMCIsImJjb25uZWN0SWQiOiI0QTE0NjgyRTVEQjI0RDgyOEVGOTIxMzA1M0U4NzhDMiJ9.2HTJwo9eTHdkkgk_FNVRDsJqV-BGDPmrss56HGk3otM
So both sides are using the situation for leverage, I don't see your point
Do you think any of Trump's family or his cronies are taking advantage of his baseless "threats" by trading off of them? Do you think that anyone of these people in his inner-circle shorted the equity market on Thursday before he came out with his 100% tariff threat on China?
DiabloWags said:BearlySane88 said:DiabloWags said:BearlySane88 said:DiabloWags said:movielover said:
Xi hiccup: China walks back Export Control announcement on (not rare) rare earth materials.
No.
It was yet another Trump TACO in the making.
You should know this by now . . . but that Kool-Aid you keep drinking is super strong.
Cite your sources please.
Jordan Rochester, head of macro strategy for EMEA at Mizuho Bank.
Here's a free link to Bloomberg.
Youre welcome.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-10-13/dollar-rally-resumes-as-traders-brush-off-trump-s-tariff-threats?accessToken=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJzb3VyY2UiOiJTdWJzY3JpYmVyR2lmdGVkQXJ0aWNsZSIsImlhdCI6MTc2MDM5NzE5NSwiZXhwIjoxNzYxMDAxOTk1LCJhcnRpY2xlSWQiOiJUNDJKU0RHT1QwSk8wMCIsImJjb25uZWN0SWQiOiI0QTE0NjgyRTVEQjI0RDgyOEVGOTIxMzA1M0U4NzhDMiJ9.2HTJwo9eTHdkkgk_FNVRDsJqV-BGDPmrss56HGk3otM
So both sides are using the situation for leverage, I don't see your point
Do you think any of Trump's family or his cronies are taking advantage of his baseless "threats" by trading off of them? Do you think that anyone of these people in his inner-circle shorted the equity market on Thursday before he came out with his 100% tariff threat on China?
Don't know, I'm not them. Also not saying his threats are baseless.
The same way the Biden family profited off of Ukraine? Did you have a problem with that? The same way Nancy Pelosi's net worth has sky rocketed since being elected into congress?
Have a standard. Hold everyone to it.
BearlySane88 said:DiabloWags said:
Do you think any of Trump's family or his cronies are taking advantage of his baseless "threats" by trading off of them? Do you think that anyone of these people in his inner-circle shorted the equity market on Thursday before he came out with his 100% tariff threat on China?
Don't know, I'm not them.
You sound terribly naive.
DiabloWags said:BearlySane88 said:DiabloWags said:
Do you think any of Trump's family or his cronies are taking advantage of his baseless "threats" by trading off of them? Do you think that anyone of these people in his inner-circle shorted the equity market on Thursday before he came out with his 100% tariff threat on China?
Don't know, I'm not them.
You sound terribly naive.
Love that you just ignore the rest of my post because it shows what a blatant hypocrite you are
BearlySane88 said:DiabloWags said:BearlySane88 said:DiabloWags said:
Do you think any of Trump's family or his cronies are taking advantage of his baseless "threats" by trading off of them? Do you think that anyone of these people in his inner-circle shorted the equity market on Thursday before he came out with his 100% tariff threat on China?
Don't know, I'm not them.
You sound terribly naive.
Love that you just ignore the rest of my post because it shows what a blatant hypocrite you are
I admit that you have a PhD in "whataboutism".
But you didnt answer my specific question about Trump.
I noticed that youre really good at that.
DiabloWags said:BearlySane88 said:DiabloWags said:BearlySane88 said:DiabloWags said:
Do you think any of Trump's family or his cronies are taking advantage of his baseless "threats" by trading off of them? Do you think that anyone of these people in his inner-circle shorted the equity market on Thursday before he came out with his 100% tariff threat on China?
Don't know, I'm not them.
You sound terribly naive.
Love that you just ignore the rest of my post because it shows what a blatant hypocrite you are
I admit that you have a PhD in "whataboutism".
But you didnt answer my specific question about Trump.
I noticed that youre really good at that.
Because you asked a question I couldn't possibly know the answer to. I don't know what Trump and his peeps are doing behind the scenes…. Did you know what Biden was doing?
Biden
No new jobs in 4 years
Record inflation
Under $1 Trillion in planned investments
Russia proxy war
Border wide open and illegal immigration juiced
Trump - 8 months
$400-500 Billion per year in tariffs expected
No inflation
Real Wage Growth
$16-17 Trillion in New planned investments
Drug manufacturing reshoring - appears to be significant
Auto plants expanding - modest+
Border closed tight
Eight peace deals in 8 months?
No new jobs in 4 years
Record inflation
Under $1 Trillion in planned investments
Russia proxy war
Border wide open and illegal immigration juiced
Trump - 8 months
$400-500 Billion per year in tariffs expected
No inflation
Real Wage Growth
$16-17 Trillion in New planned investments
Drug manufacturing reshoring - appears to be significant
Auto plants expanding - modest+
Border closed tight
Eight peace deals in 8 months?
Sad news for all the fly fishing fans and hunting folk(I'm sure movie has some good fishing and hunting stories and anecdotes). My guess is is Orvis customer base is maga heavy so another own goal.
Per Fox Business…..One of the oldest retailers in the U.S. is planning to shutter dozens of locations by early 2026. According to Fox Business, outdoor retailer Orvis will close 31 retail stores and five outlet locations in the coming months as the company attempts to navigate ongoing struggles caused by tariffs implemented by President Donald Trump.
Per Fox Business…..One of the oldest retailers in the U.S. is planning to shutter dozens of locations by early 2026. According to Fox Business, outdoor retailer Orvis will close 31 retail stores and five outlet locations in the coming months as the company attempts to navigate ongoing struggles caused by tariffs implemented by President Donald Trump.
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Quality shirts sold for a fraction at Costco.
can't quite get the same come-hither look however …which I know you shoot for …free fashion advice …Thanks latermovielover said:
Quality shirts sold for a fraction at Costco.
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movielover said:
Trump - 8 months
$400-500 Billion per year in tariffs expected
No inflation
Real Wage Growth
$16-17 Trillion in New planned investments
Drug manufacturing reshoring - appears to be significant
Auto plants expanding - modest+
Border closed tight
Eight peace deals in 8 months?
Annual Budget Deficit at $1.8 Trillion
Increased the National Debt by $3.4 Trillion
Food prices surging and core CPI at 3.1%
Doesn't care about ACA premiums doubling or tripling.
Ford losing $3 Billion and GM losing $4 Billion from Trump tariffs
Govt shutdown causing massive layoffs
No Epstein Files as promised
Labor market getting soft.
And that's just for starters.
10% Lumber tariffs take effect today.
25% on cabinets and furniture.
Should be fantastic for the homebuilding industry.
MAGA!
DiabloWags said:movielover said:
Trump - 8 months
$400-500 Billion per year in tariffs expected
No inflation
Real Wage Growth
$16-17 Trillion in New planned investments
Drug manufacturing reshoring - appears to be significant
Auto plants expanding - modest+
Border closed tight
Eight peace deals in 8 months?
Govt shutdown causing massive layoffs
Democrats own the shutdown.
CBS Poll Oct 3rd
Words Describing the Democrat Party
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Extreme.............46
Reasonable.......44
Strong................27
Effective ............26
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