Where is the indication we're sending ground troops?

PAC-10-BEAR said:

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Cal88 said:

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

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BEFORE OBAMA:

There was no ISIS.

There was no Black Lives Matter.

There was no ANTIFA.

There was no War On Police.

There was no Law Legalizing Propaganda on American Citizens.

There was no Russia Hoax.

There was no expensive Obamacare.

There was no TDS.

OBAMA’S… pic.twitter.com/JfCFIpcRUY

— 🇺🇸🍩 JULIE DONUTS 🇺🇸🍩 (@Juliedonuts) May 16, 2026

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He did avoid war with Iran and shelfed their nuclear program.

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Obama engaged in proxy wars with Iran and slowed down their nuclear program with a deal that included sunset clauses that were going to phase out after 10-15 years (around 2025-2031).

Basically, drone and missile strikes against terrorist groups and kicked the nuclear can down the road.

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I think there's a reason why this was about the best we could get with an Iran deal, and we see it now with what they're doing with the Strait of Hormuz. Iran can't actually beat the US in a straight-up war but they can make it all very costly and perhaps not worth the effort.

I'm not an expert in the area, but you're omitting the opposing facts.

The Times of Israel: "Most importantly, just a few days before Trump announced his decision to withdraw from the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action ( JCPOA), a plan that was supposed to delay Iran's ability to make nuclear weapons, Netanyahu delivered a televised "Iran Lied" presentation. He disclosed that the Mossad had obtained access to a warehouse where Iran kept records which showed its past nuclear activity. The result was that The Mossad obtained 55,000 pages and 55,000 digital files describing Iran's nuclear activities and brought them back to Israel. Those documents showed conclusively that Iran had been lying when it had said that it had NOT been violating the restrictions on it imposed by the JCPOA. In his speech announcing that the United States was withdrawing from the JCPOA, Trump stated that the documents the Mossad uncovered proved "conclusively" that Iran had misrepresented that it was complying with the JCPOA."

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/in-order-to-obtain-a-negotiated-peace-with-iran-israel-needs-to-get-tough/

Foundation for Defence of Democracies

"This assertion ignores multiple Iranian violations of the letter of the accord. It overlooks the lack of transparency in the International Atomic Energy Agency's (IAEA) reporting on Tehran's nuclear conduct. It sidesteps the agency's failure to receive access to military sites where nuclear weaponization activities may have occurred. And it contradicts the assessments of other Trump administration officials....

"That line encompasses multiple JCPOA provisions. Tehran has repeatedly exceeded the JCPOA's limits on advanced centrifuge research and development. It assembled more than a half dozen IR-8 rotor assemblies at the Kalaye Electric facility in north Tehran. It operated 13-15 IR-6 centrifuges in a single cascade. It has consistently exploited conditions governing the quality assurance of advanced centrifuge manufacturing to conduct mechanical testing of advanced centrifuges, an activity tightly controlled by the JCPOA.

"Iran twice exceeded the deal's 130-ton cap on its heavy water. But while the IAEA noted that Tehran shipped the excess material out of the country, the Joint Commission the body tasked with monitoring the JCPOA's implementation allowed the regime to retain ownership of the material on foreign soil, spurring Tehran to store it in Oman. Consequently, Iran still likely possesses heavy water in violation of the 130-ton limit.

"Tehran has continued efforts to acquire technology for the production and delivery of nuclear weapons. Last year, Tehran illicitly attempted to acquire carbon fiber, a key component of centrifuge production, though a supplier and its government denied the request. German intelligence has reported that Iran continued to pursue illicit procurement of missile technology."

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2017/09/20/iran-is-not-in-technical-compliance-with-the-jcpoa/


Institute for Science and International Security

Update on Iran's Compliance with the JCPOA Nuclear Limits- By David Albright

September 21, 2017

"Iran has repeatedly tested the boundaries of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) and in many cases crossed the line into a violation. Many of these violations and efforts to push the boundaries have not been reported by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in its quarterly reports to member states, reflecting a failing on its part. But the information is not classified, and we have reported on these violations and controversies in previous reports."

https://isis-online.org/isis-reports/update-on-irans-compliance-with-the-jcpoa-nuclear-limits

How about if you choose to remain in the Dem Party -- after watching them fund, arm, and protect Israel's genocide for 2+ years? Can you complain when it turns out they're ruthless in extirpating antiwar voices (like Cori Bush) and scores of anti-genoicde primary challengers?

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) May 19, 2026

Oh they weren't lying this report is a mess https://t.co/47Clb6DAAI pic.twitter.com/HD5oJ391ET

— Organizermemes (@OrganizerMemes) May 21, 2026

I'm interested what dems/left think the reasoning is behind this shift over the last 16 years

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New NYT poll:
“Nearly three-quarters of Democratic supporters now oppose military aid to Israel, up from 45 percent three years ago.
And nearly half of Democratic backers said the party was too supportive of Israel.”https://t.co/mY1BmlVfvn

— Alex Thompson (@AlexThomp) May 21, 2026

The party remains in opposition to its constituents

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Support is quickly dropping among rank-and-file Republicans too. Really the whole American political leadership is way behind the public on this.

BearlySane88 said:

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I'm interested what dems/left think the reasoning is behind this shift over the last 16 years

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1. Obama's first election was a high-water mark: both him being a talented and charismatic figure at the top and the public being angry about Bush's performance (Iraq War, the financial crash). Hence a huge majority coming in. It wasn't going to last; there is always political backlash.

2. Republicans started really aggressively gerrymandering after they won a bunch of state legislatures in the ensuing midterms.

3. Dems have kind of lost touch with rural voters, and unfortunately for the blue team those voters have a far outsized representation in the Senate.

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3. Dems have kind of lost touch with rural voters, and unfortunately for the blue team those voters have a far outsized representation in the Senate.

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Just because there are a lot of Republicans in more rural states doesn't mean those states have representation. Who in our government is showing any concern about family farms being squeezed out by corporate mega-farms, water issues, and generally improving the economies of those states? Neither party is, which is why Democrats don't win in those states and they lose on cultural bull*****

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You're going to see a lot more Massies and Platners in the years to come.

BearlySane88 said:

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I'm interested what dems/left think the reasoning is behind this shift over the last 16 years

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Maybe those numbers above are a mistake or something!

At this point, Chevron is basically on the ballot.

Vote accordingly. https://t.co/BnxbYNCzMZ

— Tom Steyer (@TomSteyer) May 21, 2026

Chevron likes Becerra but Governor Brain Dead's pro tip says avoid.. what's a guy to do

Californians, if you’re hitting the road this holiday weekend, be sure to AVOID Chevron.

Pro tip: unbranded gas comes from the same refineries, storage tanks, and pipelines, and it meets the same state standards to keep your engine running clean, even if it doesn’t have a fancy… pic.twitter.com/FMTnNHE0Bn

— Governor Newsom Press Office (@GovPressOffice) May 21, 2026

Big C said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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I'm interested what dems/left think the reasoning is behind this shift over the last 16 years

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Maybe those numbers above are a mistake or something!

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Are they?

NATO Chief Rutte: "We need to be ready. Russia has brought war back to Europe, and we must be prepared for the scale of war our grandparents and great-grandparents endured."

My guess is the reason why Europe (Germany) picks 2029 or 2030 to militarily confront Russia is that Trump won't be able to block the war mongering, but replenished military goods will be available.

It still sounds like utter madness, especially with divided loyalties with many young European residents and pacifist natives.

BearlySane88 said:

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Big C said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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I'm interested what dems/left think the reasoning is behind this shift over the last 16 years

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Maybe those numbers above are a mistake or something!

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Are they?

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