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Dembele and Marquinos also injured during the game out for a month or so. 3 injuries in one game...

ManU being bossed 3-0 at the hour mark on the road by Fabregas' Como, perhaps the prettiest city in CL competition. Amazing coaching job by Cesc to put a soccer backwater like Como into the big league, look at that stadium!



Arsenal at Bayern and Leipzig at Real are the two big games later this afternoon.
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It turns out Messi is good juggler as well. For those who have not played juggling is done for hours on end to develop coordination and timing, which goes into having "touch."

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Neil Pierre signed a new contract with the Union. I don't understand why, he should be in Europe by next summer at the latest. Maybe there is a wink between the team and his agent that if he signed they would make it easier to leave. Otherwise, he should fire his agent.

Sullivan is out with a knock for tomorrow's game so I am skipping it. Maybe I will watch Taha Habroune instead. He has been on fire. He is very skilled but not heavy enough.
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That's too bad about Pierre. I also think he'd be better off in Europe.

Though unlike you, sluggo, I'm thinking the ideal for him, for a year, would be to be sold to a major club but then loaned out to a lesser one so he does not play in a league like the Premier League right away. Maybe loaned to a top Dutch Eredivisie or Portuguese or Belgian club for a year (one that will be in Champions or Europa league). Pierre needs to keep getting minutes, and to hone his defending and ball distribution in matches that aren't glorified exhibitions like MLS, but I don't think he gets playing time in the Premier League right now.
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Thursday Europa League review for US players of note (plus a couple Friday matches):

Malik Tillman played the first 74 minutes and got a decent outside-foot assist in Bayer Leverkusen's 2-0 win at Crete. He needs to keep getting goal contributions to earn Leverkusen's trust back, I think.

Weston Mckennie played the entire match at right-center midfielder for Juventus (in a 3-5-2?) in a 2-2 home draw against Ligue 1 opponent Rennes. Mckennie played decently, setting up his teammates a couple times for what could have been good chances, but he was also dispossessed a few times which wasn't great. Borderline US player Bryan Reynolds played the entire match as well at right wing-back for Rennes, and got a nice headed assist on Rennes' first goal (and could have had another assist earlier), but also was the one to concede a penalty (handball) that allowed Juve to tie it up 2-2.

Bournemouth and Tyler Adams hosted AC Milan with Yunus Musah and Christian Pulisic. Neither Pulisic, nor the French national Adrien Rabiot who has been Milan's hottest player, played at all (nor did Modric). Bournemouth dominated the match (3.14 to 0.11 on xG) and and won 3-0, though all three goals were direct strikes on set pieces, two penalties and a free kick. The first was a penalty and red card at the 30 minute mark of the first half on Milan's starting goalie Maignan drawn by Tyler Adams in a way that I'm sure would only make sluggo's distaste for Adams grow. Milan had no chance after that, which might explain why they did not sub in some of their other players. No one on the pitch for Milan seemed to play well, including Musah, who early on was dispossessed badly in a terrible spot to generate one of Bournemouth's many good chances.

Chris Richards played the whole match at right center back in Crystal Palace's 2-2 road draw at the Turkish club Besiktas. Palace could not pull ahead in the final minutes despite having a man advantage after a red card on Besiktas at minute 77 and the score already 2-2. At least it wasn't another loss. Not a good season for Palace and Richards so far. Zavier Gozo nowhere to be seen still, not even on the bench.

Tim Weah subbed in at minute 83 of Marseille's 1-0 road loss at Austrian club Sturm Graz, with the score already 1-0.

Tanner Tessmann played the first half before being subbed out in Lyon's 3-0 road loss at German Bundesliga club Hoffenheim, leaving with his club down 1-0.

In Friday league action:

Joe Scally of all people is leading Borussia Monchengladbach in scoring and goal contributions (I think). Scally had a heel flick redirection goal and an assist in a much needed 3-2 Bundesliga victory over Stuttgart. Monchengladbach still seem bad in general and may get relegated. They had 6 losses in 6 league matches up to this point.

Speaking of average Americans, the ones at Middlesbrough looked fairly good in their 5-1 EFL Championship road win over Bolton. Aidan Morris played the whole match and scored Boro's first goal. Sebastian Berhalter played 86 minutes, leaving after all the scoring had been done. Max Arfsten subbed in at minute 69 with the score at 3-1.

As for Taha Habroune, I did not get a chance to watch the midweek US Open Cup final between Columbus and St. Louis. (Kind of glad I didn't as it went to penalties at 0-0 with St. Louis winning). Did you watch, and if so, how did Habroune look, sluggo? The one time I've watched him, against Orlando in Columbus' US Open Cup semifinal, I thought he looked good, though my impression of him was more as a likely 2028 U-23 Olympic player.
OneKeg
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Have to put in a plug for my son's high school soccer team: Bay School of San Francisco (inside the Presidio, where we live).

Just finished their regular season undefeated today with a 9-0 win. 14 wins and 3 draws in 17 matches, 14-0-3, (8-0-2 in league). Bay is currently ranked the #1 team in the entire North Coast Section D1, and #2 in all of California for Fall season soccer. (Many other schools play soccer in the Winter trimester). And Bay's league is not full of cupcakes, other than the cellar-dweller they beat 9-0 today - it has two other teams in the North Coast top 10, including #3 (or 4) International, Bay's biggest rival, and another in the top 20. Bay also played multiple other top 10 North Coast teams out of conference (Arcata, College Prep, Athenian).

Outstanding team defense: gave up just 3 goals in 17 games, and only 1 goal in 10 league games. Of course that all goes out the window with playoffs where it is win or go home. League playoffs first, then North Coast.

https://www.maxpreps.com/ca/san-francisco/the-bay-school-breakers/soccer/schedule/
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OneKeg said:

Have to put in a plug for my son's high school soccer team: Bay School of San Francisco (inside the Presidio, where we live).

Just finished their regular season undefeated today with a 9-0 win. 14 wins and 3 draws in 17 matches, 14-0-3, (8-0-2 in league). Bay is currently ranked the #1 team in the entire North Coast Section D1, and #2 in all of California for Fall season soccer. (Many other schools play soccer in the Winter trimester). And Bay's league is not full of cupcakes, other than the cellar-dweller they beat 9-0 today - it has two other teams in the North Coast top 10, including #3 (or 4) International, Bay's biggest rival, and another in the top 20. Bay also played multiple other top 10 North Coast teams out of conference (Arcata, College Prep, Athenian).

Outstanding team defense: gave up just 3 goals in 17 games, and only 1 goal in 10 league games. Of course that all goes out the window with playoffs where it is win or go home. League playoffs first, then North Coast.

https://www.maxpreps.com/ca/san-francisco/the-bay-school-breakers/soccer/schedule/

Let's go Bay!
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OneKeg said:

That's too bad about Pierre. I also think he'd be better off in Europe.

Though unlike you, sluggo, I'm thinking the ideal for him, for a year, would be to be sold to a major club but then loaned out to a lesser one so he does not play in a league like the Premier League right away. Maybe loaned to a top Dutch Eredivisie or Portuguese or Belgian club for a year (one that will be in Champions or Europa league). Pierre needs to keep getting minutes, and to hone his defending and ball distribution in matches that aren't glorified exhibitions like MLS, but I don't think he gets playing time in the Premier League right now.

I think he is who he is. Both great physically and very intelligent, with some flaws that cannot be fixed. I don't think his path matters.
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OneKeg said:

Thursday Europa League review for US players of note (plus a couple Friday matches):

Malik Tillman played the first 74 minutes and got a decent outside-foot assist in Bayer Leverkusen's 2-0 win at Crete. He needs to keep getting goal contributions to earn Leverkusen's trust back, I think.

Weston Mckennie played the entire match at right-center midfielder for Juventus (in a 3-5-2?) in a 2-2 home draw against Ligue 1 opponent Rennes. Mckennie played decently, setting up his teammates a couple times for what could have been good chances, but he was also dispossessed a few times which wasn't great. Borderline US player Bryan Reynolds played the entire match as well at right wing-back for Rennes, and got a nice headed assist on Rennes' first goal (and could have had another assist earlier), but also was the one to concede a penalty (handball) that allowed Juve to tie it up 2-2.

Bournemouth and Tyler Adams hosted AC Milan with Yunus Musah and Christian Pulisic. Neither Pulisic, nor the French national Adrien Rabiot who has been Milan's hottest player, played at all (nor did Modric). Bournemouth dominated the match (3.14 to 0.11 on xG) and and won 3-0, though all three goals were direct strikes on set pieces, two penalties and a free kick. The first was a penalty and red card at the 30 minute mark of the first half on Milan's starting goalie Maignan drawn by Tyler Adams in a way that I'm sure would only make sluggo's distaste for Adams grow. Milan had no chance after that, which might explain why they did not sub in some of their other players. No one on the pitch for Milan seemed to play well, including Musah, who early on was dispossessed badly in a terrible spot to generate one of Bournemouth's many good chances.

Chris Richards played the whole match at right center back in Crystal Palace's 2-2 road draw at the Turkish club Besiktas. Palace could not pull ahead in the final minutes despite having a man advantage after a red card on Besiktas at minute 77 and the score already 2-2. At least it wasn't another loss. Not a good season for Palace and Richards so far. Zavier Gozo nowhere to be seen still, not even on the bench.

Tim Weah subbed in at minute 83 of Marseille's 1-0 road loss at Austrian club Sturm Graz, with the score already 1-0.

Tanner Tessmann played the first half before being subbed out in Lyon's 3-0 road loss at German Bundesliga club Hoffenheim, leaving with his club down 1-0.

In Friday league action:

Joe Scally of all people is leading Borussia Monchengladbach in scoring and goal contributions (I think). Scally had a heel flick redirection goal and an assist in a much needed 3-2 Bundesliga victory over Stuttgart. Monchengladbach still seem bad in general and may get relegated. They had 6 losses in 6 league matches up to this point.

Speaking of average Americans, the ones at Middlesbrough looked fairly good in their 5-1 EFL Championship road win over Bolton. Aidan Morris played the whole match and scored Boro's first goal. Sebastian Berhalter played 86 minutes, leaving after all the scoring had been done. Max Arfsten subbed in at minute 69 with the score at 3-1.

As for Taha Habroune, I did not get a chance to watch the midweek US Open Cup final between Columbus and St. Louis. (Kind of glad I didn't as it went to penalties at 0-0 with St. Louis winning). Did you watch, and if so, how did Habroune look, sluggo? The one time I've watched him, against Orlando in Columbus' US Open Cup semifinal, I thought he looked good, though my impression of him was more as a likely 2028 U-23 Olympic player.

Thanks for the report. Too bad so many Americans are in the Europa League when in previous years they were in the Champions League.

I have not seen Habroune except in highlights for some time. I think he is a strong candidate for the Olympics. He is very thin without being fast, so I don't know if the USMNT is in his future. His skill does seem high.
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I felt sad about the Cal game until I saw this from Modri (Mehmeti):

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Let's go old school. Nice goals by Pulisic, McKennie, and Weah. Weah's shows one-on-one skills, his typical weakness. Nice to see.





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I know, Real won the Classico. I had a bad feeling about the game, so today I played but did not watch.
OneKeg
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I did record and watch the classico (Barca - Real Madrid match) since it was on a channel everyone gets. I won't comment on it much since you already know what I'm going to say, sluggo. Both are teams with tremendously talented players, of course. The team that was more disciplined and fundamentally sound on defense won (same was true when Spain beat France in this past summer's World Cup).

Too many matches over the weekend with US players to review them all, but I'll cover most of them, other than the Friday ones, which I already did upthread. You (sluggo) already highlighted three of them in which Pulisic, Mckennie and Weah all scorred, so I'll just mention those briefly. But first:

The standout performance for me was none of those three, but rather once again ALEX FREEMAN, who was all over the pitch in Villareal's come-from-behind 2-1 road La Liga win at Valencia. Freeman started at left back with Mourino at right back, then swapped spots with Mourino to start the second half, and by the end of the match, was playing something like a straight right attacking "10" (or at least box-to-box "8"). Crazy match, as it was 10 v 10 at the end after two red cards.

Freeman led Villareal in duels won, generally made good decisions (I counted 3 bad ones, but countless solid to great ones) and was strong with the ball. He should have had an assist. And of course he scored the tying goal on a header (during live play, NOT off a set piece). Valencia's first half goal was on a penalty, which Freeman was not at fault for conceding. I don't know if Freeman was man of the match, but he should be.

Aside: I actually watched this entire match (Valencia - Villareal) streaming on my phone on ESPN Deportes Saturday morning, pausing and switching to watch Cal Football at SMU, then pausing that and switching back and so on. I eventually reached halftime in the Cal game with no buffer left on my DVR, so I switched entirely to watching Freeman until the match was over and had a shower. After my shower, before watching the second half of the Cal game on my DVR, I cheated and snuck a peek at the current score. SMU had already outscored Cal something like 28-0 in the second half. The amazing thing is I felt more relieved than sad. SMU had saved me the bother and time of watching the rest of the Cal game, and I just went to my DVR and deleted it. I can't remember a time I have been so apathetic about Cal Football since before I was a student nearly 40 years ago, and it's all happened in the past two months. Honestly, the Valencia - Villareal match was more compelling, between a bottom-table La Liga side, and a mid-table one, mainly due to Freeman.

Ok, now back to AC Milan and Christian Pulisic, who won easily 2-0 (xG was 3.12 - 0.42) on the road at bottom-table Serie A foe Udinese. In addition to scoring a sweet early goal after a great run behind and great control once Modric found him, Pulisic could have easily had one or two assists, and was generally dangerous throughout the match from the highlights. Hope to see this more consistently from him, and against better opponents. Yunus Musah came in at minute 73 and by one report, was neither impressive nor unimpressive (no major mistakes).

By contrast, Weston Mckennie's goal in Juventus' 2-0 road win at Serie A foe Lecce was not nearly as pretty but I'll take it. Nor was the match as dominant a win as Milan's. But Mckennie being fit and making goal contributions is a welcome sight. I would love it if Balogun could be traded to join him as I'm not sold on Juve's current beanpole "car lot inflatable air dancer" striker Woltemade.

And Tim Weah's goal in Marseille's 4-3 home win against Ligue 1 doormat Le Havre was somewhere in between - stumbling, almost tripping over the ball, but still dribbling past three players and lunging it in off the outside of his foot. Filippo at Tactical Manager youtube called it a "sloppy golasso."

Gio Reyna played the first 84 minutes of Strasbourg's 3-0 road loss at Ligue 1 opponent Rennes, though by all accounts, while no one on Strasbourg played great, Reyna was not the problem. He led Strasbourg in duels won and generally was doing the usual Gio Reyna things. Glad he seems to be healthy.

Malik Tillman subbed in at minute 41 of Bayer Leverkusen's 3-0 road loss at Bundesliga opponent Hoffenheim, and while he did NOT play particularly well, it was a team-wide problem by one account. Still, Tillman needs to pick it up for Leverkusen. He used to be a guy that would play well for club (like with PSV) and not for country, and now it seems like it's the other way around!

Chris Richards played the whole match at right-center back in a back 3 for Crystal Palace in their 2-0 Premier League home loss to Newcastle. I don't think either goal was his fault, but still not a good season so far for Richards and Palace. Zavier Gozo not even the bench. I think he's with their U-21s.

Antonee "Jedi" Robinson played the whole match at left back in Fulham's 1-0 road win at Coventry.

Folarin Balogun once again came off the bench (minute 58) in Monaco's 2-2 Ligue 1 home draw with Toulouse, who had Mark Mckenzie play the whole match at left-center back in a back 4. Have not watched highlights or heard/read commentary on this one, but it feels like Balogun should have taken the Everton deal. Monaco have their starting striker in Brunner, and Balogun almost seems third choice, with Monaco not seeming to care that they are letting him drop in value as a tradeable asset. Balogun really does need a trade in January (maybe to Juventus with Mckennie as I said, which would be nice).

Tyler Adams and Bournemouth humiliated Manchester United in a 3-0 Premier League road win.

Sergino Dest played the entire match at right back in PSV Endhoven's 1-1 home draw against 1st place Feyenoord in the Dutch Eredivisie. Ricardo Pepi is still injured and did not make the bench.

Diego Kochen played the entire match at goalkeeper in Lyngby's 3-2 road loss to league "power" Midtjylland in the Danish Superliga. Stats say he made 4 saves. Have not heard/read any commentary on how Kochen looked and whether any of the goals he let in were easily preventable.

Santiago Castaneda played the entire match at the "6" holding midfielder position in Paderborn's 1-0 Bundesliga home win over Hamburg. Again, did not watch the highlights or hear/read commentary, but this is a fairly young player who might be worth starting to pay attention to, especially if it's true that he can play center back as well. It's sucks he is just 2 months too old for the 2028 U-23 Olympic age cutoff.

Tanner Tessmann played the entire match in Lyon's 2-0 Ligue 1 road loss at PSG. Sacrificial lamb?

Mathis Albert and Johnny Cardoso are out with apparently short term injuries for Borussia Dortmund and Atletico Madrid respectively, and Auston Trusty is on leave from Glasgow Celtic (father passed away).

Ok, moving from Europe to the MLS:

Philadelphia Union hosting New England was actually a great match from a competitive perspective despite the absence of Cavan Sullivan due to injury. Neil Pierre had a mixed game, scoring on a header late to pull Philly within 2-1 (which is how it ended), but also conceded a penalty at the very outer edge of the box. I do disagree with you a bit sluggo - I think Pierre's path matters. There are things he can and hopefully will improve on, and he can do so better at a mid-tier Euro team (say on loan from a top Euro team) like at the top end of the Dutch Eredivise or Belgian or Portuguese leagues that also have Champions League or Europa Cup matches. Mainly, I would like to see Pierre improve his on-ball decision-making and his judiciousness on when to go for a heavy challenge in the box. I think he can learn these things with competitive playing time (MLS barely qualifies as that, because MLS matches are not as competitive as say, Europa Cup matches).

Peyton Miller had a good game for New England, though definitely not a great one. Miller played the whole match at left wing-back in a 4-2-3-1 where he will play for the US instead of left wing as he has been doing for NE. He got an assist on what I think was a shot, but still a great play to use his quickness to get inside position on Frankie Westfield on a long cross for a twisting header that was headed across goal just past the far (right) post before NE's striker Turgeman arrived and redirected it in. Miller had a couple other good moments and decent shots, but not good enough to finish. His defense overall was not bad, though he and another NE defender did get posterized on the Pierre goal even though they were double-teaming him, looking like schoolkids trying to outjump a grown man.

As sluggo linked above, Adri Mehmeti controlled the match well for Red Bull New York in their crucial (for RBNY playoff chances) 2-0 home win against league power Miami. Julian Hall, on the other hand, missed a bunch of chances. If he's going to be a Klose/Gerd Muller sloppy-scoring poacher for the US eventually, Hall needs to put these chances away more consistently.

Justin Ellis played the first 60 minutes of Orlando FC's 2-2 home draw with NYCFC, leaving with his team up 2-1. From the highlights, Ellis seemed to have a typical Ellis game, steady and technical on the ball, and should have had an assist or two if his teammates (other than Griezmann) could finish better. I noticed that teenage midfielder/defender Jonathan Shore (eligible for 2027 U-20) had his first MLS goal to tie it up for NYCFC deep into stoppage time.

Goalie Brian Schwake had 6 saves as Nashville got the 2-0 road shutout at Montreal to clinch the top overall point total (Supporters' Shield) in MLS this season.
 
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