Professor Henry Higgins said:

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Professor Henry Higgins said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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BTW, Trump and Cuomo just got into a shouting match. You can't really say anything for certain when it comes to Trump. He had the Governors cooperating and blew it screaming about the fact that Cuomo said Trump thought he was king. His thin skin is the bain of our existence.

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LOL

You voted for him.

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wow, another productive comment from the resident two year old.

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I also find it amazing that the antics don't entice anyone to change their opinions or choices, if anything the antics make people just want to become entrenched in their current positions.

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You catch more flies with honey, etc.

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Sometimes, the goal is not to catch the fly. It's just to remind the fly what a giant hypocrite he is.

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The fly doesn't understand hypocrisy, the fly lose elections.

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Nice people on both sides, amiright?

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Fake news makes you both wrong and grumpy Aun.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/

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I don't hate to say I told you so. Clear difference in quality of leadership between Newsom and Trump. Hopefully more states will look to Newsom and his coalition for guidance.

Trump basically flinched today and acknowledged he will work with states on reopening but that may change if Gavin gets too much credit.

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Yeah, Gavin gets credit for using California taxpayer money to support immigrants who don't qualify for unemployment insurance, homeboy is getting sued .

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Leftist ideologues don't care. It's a non-issue for them. And they wonder why over half the country finds them to e nutzo

Riiiiiight. Cuz Trump said so? Sure - I'll trust him to parse anything that flies out of his pie hole, because he is so honest and trust worthy.

"Listen to Bill Gates' description of the "semi-normal" phase that most developed countries will move into in the next two months:

People can go out, but not as often, and not to crowded places. Picture restaurants that only seat people at every other table, and airplanes where every middle seat is empty. Schools are open, but you can't fill a stadium with 70,000 people. People are working some and spending some of their earnings, but not as much as they were before the pandemic. ...
One example of gradual reopening is Microsoft China, which has roughly 6,200 employees. So far about half are now coming in to work. ...
They insist people with symptoms stay home. They require masks and provide hand sanitizer and do more intensive cleaning. Even at work, they apply distancing rules and only allow travel for exceptional reasons. China has been conservative about opening up and has so far avoided any significant rebound.
Gates warns: "Large sporting and entertainment events probably will not make the cut for a long time; the economic benefit of the live audience doesn't measure up to the risk of spreading the infection." Axios

Nobody knows lawsuits like a Trump supplicant.

AunBear89 said:

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Riiiiiight. Cuz Trump said so? Sure - I'll trust him to parse anything that flies out of his pie hole, because he is so honest and trust worthy.

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The link shows the transcript, Democrats do the parsing.

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AunBear89 said:

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Riiiiiight. Cuz Trump said so? Sure - I'll trust him to parse anything that flies out of his pie hole, because he is so honest and trust worthy.

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The link shows the transcript, Democrats do the parsing.

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What about what Aun said was wrong? That he said "nice" instead of "very fine"?

Trump: "I'm not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I'm saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.
"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that's the way it is.
Reporter: (Inaudible) " both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"
Trump: "Yes, I think there's blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there's blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don't have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."
Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"
Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn't put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

I'm perfectly fine letting Trump be judged on the transcript without commentary.

Fine people referred to those who protested taking down the statue of Robert E. Lee. There were different groups protesting, including the Neo Nazis, Trump wasn't referring to them.

Agenda driven Leftists parsing and dishonestly inferring language in a presser -- they're outrage.

Matters affecting people's lives? Who cares.

OaktownBear said:

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AunBear89 said:

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Riiiiiight. Cuz Trump said so? Sure - I'll trust him to parse anything that flies out of his pie hole, because he is so honest and trust worthy.

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The link shows the transcript, Democrats do the parsing.

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What about what Aun said was wrong? That he said "nice" instead of "very fine"?

Trump: "I'm not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I'm saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.
"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that's the way it is.
Reporter: (Inaudible) " both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"
Trump: "Yes, I think there's blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there's blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don't have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."
Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"
Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn't put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

I'm perfectly fine letting Trump be judged on the transcript without commentary.

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He didn't take your side on this partisan, ideological battle. So he needs to be criticized for it.

It doesn't mean anything to observe that you had extremes on both sides that were ramping up violence other than it simply means you can make basic observations.

OaktownBear said:

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AunBear89 said:

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Riiiiiight. Cuz Trump said so? Sure - I'll trust him to parse anything that flies out of his pie hole, because he is so honest and trust worthy.

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The link shows the transcript, Democrats do the parsing.

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What about what Aun said was wrong? That he said "nice" instead of "very fine"?

Trump: "I'm not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I'm saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.
"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that's the way it is.
Reporter: (Inaudible) " both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"
Trump: "Yes, I think there's blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there's blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don't have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."
Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"
Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn't put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

I'm perfectly fine letting Trump be judged on the transcript without commentary.

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BS, you feed off of the commentary, you need it to construct a false narrative to comfort yourself.

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Reporter: "Do you think that what you call the alt-left is the same as neo-Nazis?"

Trump: "Those people -- all of those people excuse me, I've condemned neo-Nazis. I've condemned many different groups. But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch. Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue of Robert E. Lee."

Reporter: "Should that statue be taken down?"

Trump: "Excuse me. If you take a look at some of the groups, and you see -- and you'd know it if you were honest reporters, which in many cases you're not -- but many of those people were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee.

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Fine people referred to those who protested taking down the statue of Robert E. Lee. There were different groups protesting, including the Neo Nazis, Trump wasn't referring to them.

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BearForce - I'm not even trying to get into the politics here. We obviously disagree on almost everything. I'm trying to find out what you are saying Aun misrepresented.

Kelly09 posted an article which objected to several people characterizing the protests in Michigan by talking about people flying confederate flags and displaying swastikas. The article said there were tons of people carrying flags, etc. (I'm giving short shrift to the article and I don't mean to. People can read it for themselves, but I think I've summarized it okay for the purpose of this discussion).

Aun said "Nice people on both sides..." drawing a parallel to the article and Trump's comments. The article did in fact make extremely similar arguments to Trump. I don't see how Aun mischaracterized it and I don't see how you posting the transcript demonstrated otherwise.

Don't you agree with the article? Don't you agree with Trump? If Aun says the article makes the same argument Trump said, don't you agree with that? Or are you claiming the National Review article said it supported Nazis? because it doesn't say that.

Where is the misrepresentation in Aun's statement? He didn't say that "fine people" didn't refer "to those who protested taking down the statue of Robert E. Lee".

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Fine people referred to those who protested taking down the statue of Robert E. Lee. There were different groups protesting, including the Neo Nazis, Trump wasn't referring to them.

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Further, what upset many people was not that they thought Trump said neo Nazis were good people. I completely accept he was referring to people protesting taking down the statue. It was that looking a what was not in our opinion a balanced protest, that was lead by hate groups and pointing to one segment of the population and using them to argue there were good people on both sides was inappropriate. In a similar way that I think Bernie was a complete dumbass for praising Fidel Castro's literacy program. For all I know, Fidel Castro had a great literacy program, but given that 99% of what Castro did was awful, it is inappropriate to praise him for anything. I don't praise Mussolini for making the trains run on time. I don't praise Fidel Castro for literacy. And I don't find people in a rally that is put on by hate groups to praise.

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I did not intend to post this to have a political argument about this. I know we disagree on this point. I'm not making this point to say I'm right and you are wrong on the opinion. I'm presenting the argument because the case for criticizing Trump was not dependent on him praising Nazis. I know some people would argue that he did, but that was not the fundamental issue for most. So referencing the statement the way Aun did is not stating he praised Nazi's.

I disagree with people protesting the taking down of Johnny Reb hero statues that are justifiably offensive to Black people. Let's face it, Robert E. Lee was a traitor and he is lucky he wasn't executed. Same type of dickish people protested taking JoPa's statue down. If you idolize people like that make a shrine in your man cave.

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I disagree with people protesting the taking down of Johnny Reb hero statues that are justifiably offensive to Black people. Let's face it, Robert E. Lee was a traitor and he is lucky he wasn't executed. Same type of dickish people protested taking JoPa's statue down. If you idolize people like that make a shrine in your man cave.

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Not sure being offensive should ever be grounds to stop/do anything. There are no bounds to it, and it is only subject to the whims of people.

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I disagree with people protesting the taking down of Johnny Reb hero statues that are justifiably offensive to Black people. Let's face it, Robert E. Lee was a traitor and he is lucky he wasn't executed. Same type of dickish people protested taking JoPa's statue down. If you idolize people like that make a shrine in your man cave.

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Not sure being offensive should ever be grounds to stop/do anything. There are no bounds to it, and it is only subject to the whims of people.

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Certainly there must be lines you wouldn't cross. What if someone wanted to erect a statue of Hitler in a Jewish neighborhood? The Jewish people would find it offensive. Should putting up that statue be stopped?

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bearister said:

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I disagree with people protesting the taking down of Johnny Reb hero statues that are justifiably offensive to Black people. Let's face it, Robert E. Lee was a traitor and he is lucky he wasn't executed. Same type of dickish people protested taking JoPa's statue down. If you idolize people like that make a shrine in your man cave.

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Not sure being offensive should ever be grounds to stop/do anything. There are no bounds to it, and it is only subject to the whims of people.

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Certainly there must be lines you wouldn't cross. What if someone wanted to erect a statue of Hitler in a Jewish neighborhood? The Jewish people would find it offensive. Should putting up that statue be stopped?

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Not on the grounds that it is "offensive" at least. If it's on private property than I'd say no they shouldn't be stopped.

If some moron wanted to put it up on public space, I would think the community would shut it down through the standard process.

The palestinian might find the synogogue going up in their neighborhood is offensive. Nobody cares, nor should they. I assume everything on the planet offends somebody somewhere. That can't be how we organize society.

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Fine people referred to those who protested taking down the statue of Robert E. Lee. There were different groups protesting, including the Neo Nazis, Trump wasn't referring to them.

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Further, what upset many people was not that they thought Trump said neo Nazis were good people. I completely accept he was referring to people protesting taking down the statue. It was that looking a what was not in our opinion a balanced protest, that was lead by hate groups and pointing to one segment of the population and using them to argue there were good people on both sides was inappropriate. In a similar way that I think Bernie was a complete dumbass for praising Fidel Castro's literacy program. For all I know, Fidel Castro had a great literacy program, but given that 99% of what Castro did was awful, it is inappropriate to praise him for anything. I don't praise Mussolini for making the trains run on time. I don't praise Fidel Castro for literacy. And I don't find people in a rally that is put on by hate groups to praise.

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I did not intend to post this to have a political argument about this. I know we disagree on this point. I'm not making this point to say I'm right and you are wrong on the opinion. I'm presenting the argument because the case for criticizing Trump was not dependent on him praising Nazis. I know some people would argue that he did, but that was not the fundamental issue for most. So referencing the statement the way Aun did is not stating he praised Nazi's.

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My response to Aun had nothing to do with kelly09's article and everything to do with her quoting Trump's statements regarding Charlottesville. Many including Aun believe Trump was praising hate groups which is absolutely ridiculous based on the transcript.

This doctor was on Bill Maher tonight. He wrote this op ed when the US COVID 19 deaths were at 200. He is sticking to his guns at death toll of 50,000.

Is Our Fight Against Coronavirus Worse Than the Disease?


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/opinion/coronavirus-pandemic-social-distancing.html

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BearForce2 said:

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Fine people referred to those who protested taking down the statue of Robert E. Lee. There were different groups protesting, including the Neo Nazis, Trump wasn't referring to them.

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Further, what upset many people was not that they thought Trump said neo Nazis were good people. I completely accept he was referring to people protesting taking down the statue. It was that looking a what was not in our opinion a balanced protest, that was lead by hate groups and pointing to one segment of the population and using them to argue there were good people on both sides was inappropriate. In a similar way that I think Bernie was a complete dumbass for praising Fidel Castro's literacy program. For all I know, Fidel Castro had a great literacy program, but given that 99% of what Castro did was awful, it is inappropriate to praise him for anything. I don't praise Mussolini for making the trains run on time. I don't praise Fidel Castro for literacy. And I don't find people in a rally that is put on by hate groups to praise.

Edit:

I did not intend to post this to have a political argument about this. I know we disagree on this point. I'm not making this point to say I'm right and you are wrong on the opinion. I'm presenting the argument because the case for criticizing Trump was not dependent on him praising Nazis. I know some people would argue that he did, but that was not the fundamental issue for most. So referencing the statement the way Aun did is not stating he praised Nazi's.

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My response to Aun had nothing to do with kelly09's article and everything to do with her quoting Trump's statements regarding Charlottesville. Many including Aun believe Trump was praising hate groups which is absolutely ridiculous based on the transcript.

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I'm sorry, but he didn't say that. Maybe he believes it, but we don't know. Actually his quote in response to the article posted says otherwise because the article posted was very clear in not supporting hate groups but in arguing that most of the protesters were not in hate groups. If he was saying Trump was praising hate groups, his quoting Trump in this context makes no sense.

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This doctor was on Bill Maher tonight. He wrote this op ed when the US COVID 19 deaths were at 200. He is sticking to his guns at death toll of 50,000.

Is Our Fight Against Coronavirus Worse Than the Disease?


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/opinion/coronavirus-pandemic-social-distancing.html

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I think there are better ways to handle it. They required a more organized and cohesive response than this country's government AND citizens are capable of.

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Is Our Fight Against Coronavirus Worse Than the Disease?

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um, no?

The coronavirus crisis is way worse than feared - Axios


https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-crisis-worse-fear-c88158d2-64a3-4da6-a85a-cc6556a6207d.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top

bearister said:

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The coronavirus crisis is way worse than feared - Axios


https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-crisis-worse-fear-c88158d2-64a3-4da6-a85a-cc6556a6207d.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top

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https://www.lucianne.com/2020/04/25/the_pretense_of_knowledgebrhas_cost_america_dearly_32633.html

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The coronavirus crisis is way worse than feared - Axios


https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-crisis-worse-fear-c88158d2-64a3-4da6-a85a-cc6556a6207d.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top

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https://www.lucianne.com/2020/04/25/the_pretense_of_knowledgebrhas_cost_america_dearly_32633.html

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What you hope for Bearister. Now we know why you are Chicken Little.
https://amgreatness.com/2020/04/24/trump-still-seems-to-be-forgetting-politics-101/

Here's what Trump said on Thursday:

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But now we have a country that we had to close because of this. And, frankly, if we didn't close it, we would have lost millions of people possibly, but certainly we would have lost a million people. You take the high number and cut it in half, cut it in half again. But whether it would have been 600, 700, 800, you take a look at the travesty that there is. You take a look at this horrible, horrible scene of hospitals with bodies in black body bags, right? Multiply that times 10, 15, or even 20, because that would have happened.

So we did the right thing. So far, we did the right thing. So far, we've called it right.

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So please tell us, why is Trump wrong? Conservatives have been telling us for weeks now how the cure is worse than the disease. Do you guys think the economy would be ticking along with 20 times the death tolls we are currently facing? Conservatives always say that we're doing too much, but how much is the right amount and why aren't you criticizing Trump for doing more if you think it's causing damage?

kelly09 said:

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bearister said:

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The coronavirus crisis is way worse than feared - Axios


https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-crisis-worse-fear-c88158d2-64a3-4da6-a85a-cc6556a6207d.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top

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https://www.lucianne.com/2020/04/25/the_pretense_of_knowledgebrhas_cost_america_dearly_32633.html

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Experts: X will happen unless we do Y.

We do Y.

X doesn't happen

You: X didn't happen! You lied to us! We did Y for nothing!

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The coronavirus crisis is way worse than feared - Axios


https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-crisis-worse-fear-c88158d2-64a3-4da6-a85a-cc6556a6207d.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top

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https://www.lucianne.com/2020/04/25/the_pretense_of_knowledgebrhas_cost_america_dearly_32633.html

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What you hope for Bearister. Now we know why you are Chicken Little.
https://amgreatness.com/2020/04/24/trump-still-seems-to-be-forgetting-politics-101/

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Well, that is ninety seconds of complete lunacy I'll never get back. Plus 60 seconds to erase my internet history.

Personally, I think suggesting injecting people with disinfectant is probably a bigger problem for Trump.

Kelly09, are you voting for tRump in November?

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Kelly09, are you voting for tRump in November?

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I hope he doesn't run. He is hard to take but he's been better than Obama. There's a bunch of Republicans I like.
Rubio, Cotton, Haley, Noem etc

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Kelly09, are you voting for tRump in November?

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I hope he doesn't run. He is hard to take but he's been better than Obama. There's a bunch of Republicans I like.
Rubio, Cotton, Haley, Noem etc

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Please elaborate why you think the current POTUS is better than Obama.

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Kelly09, are you voting for tRump in November?

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I hope he doesn't run.

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LOL

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kelly09 said:

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Kelly09, are you voting for tRump in November?

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I hope he doesn't run.

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LOL

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Hold your LOL until after the election day:

bearister: Kelly09, did you vote for tRump yesterday?
Kelly09, staring into abyss: I hoped he didn't run.