1/3 of a million infected and 4k dead since Tuesday. Sure we're rounding the corner and it will be gone on Tuesday. I get that there are a bunch of Trump dead enders, but are people really that obtuse to what is happening out there?

80,000 new cases in the last 24 hours which is another new record. With more positive cases comes more hospitalizations which leads to more deaths. 1000 Americans died yesterday and Captain Catastrophe says we are rounding the corner, BULLSHYTE!

I have been tested twice and luckily I have been negative both times. Being tested takes a toll on you and your family as you wait for your results.

Because dipshyte morons like you refuse to wear masks, or wear them on your chin. Masks work when everyone wears one correctly, practices social distancing, and washes their hands thoroughly and regularly. Are YOU doing any of that?

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Cases up in America and Europe--simultaneously. Figure that one out. Cases up in ... wait for it ... Iceland! Masks don't seem to be as effective as some thought. If they were, why would we have more daily cases than way back in the pre-mask-wearing days? Don't say it's due to more testing because when Trump says that it gets shot down by the experts.

The virus will continue to do what it wants: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/30/coronavirus-strain-from-spain-accounts-for-most-uk-cases-study

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I love it when people ask a question, give the answer, and then say you can't use that answer.

C'mon man. I've seen your posting. You are a lot smarter than this.

The science behind mask wearing has been clear since April.

Cases have always been a problematic number because of the difference in detecting those cases. We know we had a lot more cases in March, April and May than we were finding because back then you pretty much only got a test if you were in the hospital.

Yes, the numbers are up because testing is up. Your "Don't say.." comment is deliberately obtuse.

1. No one ever took issue with Trump's premise that when you test more you find more cases. They took major issue with the fact that his conclusion from that was that you should test less so your numbers don't look as bad. That doesn't help our ability to respond. It hurts it. If the point is trying to make Trump look better, testing less may do that. If the point is trying to save lives, it most certainly won't.

2. The increase in testing has been used by some to completely explain the entire increase in cases. It does not do that. It does explain a good chunk of it. It does not explain all of it, and the death rates that followed demonstrated that.

Deaths is the key indicator. It lags, but it is going up significantly in Europe and is starting to rise again here. Of course since ours never went down to nearly the levels in Europe, we are still "winning".

Europe has been a lot more lax as their months with low numbers went on. They are now trying to bring back measures to halt the spread.

Wearing masks is an effing easy thing to do and it is an extremely obvious, successful method to slow transmission of the virus. It doesn't eliminate transmission.

Making this a political issue is just wrong.

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80,000 new cases in the last 24 hours which is another new record. With more positive cases comes more hospitalizations which leads to more deaths. 1000 Americans died yesterday and Captain Catastrophe says we are rounding the corner, BULLSHYTE!

I have been tested twice and luckily I have been negative both times. Being tested takes a toll on you and your family as you wait for your results.

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....but Jared in an interview taped by Bob Woodward said there would be some more "pain" but at least tRump reached a "negotiated settlement" with the doctors when he "got our country back" from them.

Kushner in April touted Trump 'getting the country back from the doctors'


https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/28/jared-kushner-trump-doctors-coronavirus-433319


*Kushner, like tRump, views all issues transactionally, like a businessman (albeit a failed one). I bet butter doesn't melt in that vampire's mouth.

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Cases up in America and Europe--simultaneously. Figure that one out. Cases up in ... wait for it ... Iceland! Masks don't seem to be as effective as some thought. If they were, why would we have more daily cases than way back in the pre-mask-wearing days? Don't say it's due to more testing because when Trump says that it gets shot down by the experts.

The virus will continue to do what it wants: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/30/coronavirus-strain-from-spain-accounts-for-most-uk-cases-study

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Maybe if your buddy Trump spent half as much time trying to defeat COVID as he does manufacturing dirt on Hunter Biden and forcing federal agencies to use taxpayer dollars to produce Leni Riefensthal-esque campaign propaganda we wouldn't be in such bad shape.

Perhaps Tucker Carlson can cover it on his show once he runs out of material on his experience with the deep state operatives at UPS.

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Because dipshyte morons like you refuse to wear masks, or wear them on your chin. Masks work when everyone wears one correctly, practices social distancing, and washes their hands thoroughly and regularly. Are YOU doing any of that?

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Also, people are out and about a lot more now. Malls are open. Restaurants are open. My employer is talking about bringing back some of the remote workforce (volunteers only) in November. Judging by the traffic on the freeway, lots of other people are back at work. Plus, kids are back in school, too. It's not surprising that cases would be rising right now.

What I find surprising is how many people are still wearing cotton masks when good quality KN95 masks are now in plentiful supply. Also, I carry hand sanitizer everywhere I go (always have) but lots of people don't and they are touching everything (like doorknobs) and then pulling down their masks to, say, eat or even just to readjust them. The mask is less effective if you are covering it in germs from your hands.

I would also think by now a lot more retailers and employers would be doing temperature checks. My own employer asks us to self-certify that we don't have a fever. Visitors do get their temperature checked. I don't understand why they don't just check everyone's temperature. I have been to a couple of stores which were VERY serious about limiting the number of people inside and checking everyone's temperature upon entrance, but that's rare. I would have thought that would be more common by now.

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The biggest issue with addressing the pandemic has always been how dependent success is upon the efforts of our fellow human beings. Since most humans tend to be selfish and willfully ignorant, this was a recipe for failure. As we are seeing in Europe and elsewhere.

Depending on our fellow citizens to act in a selfless manner, with the best interests of all in mind, was never going to be an easy task. Trump's lies and inaction made it impossible.

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Cases up in America and Europe--simultaneously. Figure that one out. Cases up in ... wait for it ... Iceland! Masks don't seem to be as effective as some thought. If they were, why would we have more daily cases than way back in the pre-mask-wearing days? Don't say it's due to more testing because when Trump says that it gets shot down by the experts.

The virus will continue to do what it wants: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/30/coronavirus-strain-from-spain-accounts-for-most-uk-cases-study

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I love it when people ask a question, give the answer, and then say you can't use that answer.

C'mon man. I've seen your posting. You are a lot smarter than this.

The science behind mask wearing has been clear since April.

Cases have always been a problematic number because of the difference in detecting those cases. We know we had a lot more cases in March, April and May than we were finding because back then you pretty much only got a test if you were in the hospital.

Yes, the numbers are up because testing is up. Your "Don't say.." comment is deliberately obtuse.

1. No one ever took issue with Trump's premise that when you test more you find more cases. They took major issue with the fact that his conclusion from that was that you should test less so your numbers don't look as bad. That doesn't help our ability to respond. It hurts it. If the point is trying to make Trump look better, testing less may do that. If the point is trying to save lives, it most certainly won't.

2. The increase in testing has been used by some to completely explain the entire increase in cases. It does not do that. It does explain a good chunk of it. It does not explain all of it, and the death rates that followed demonstrated that.

Deaths is the key indicator. It lags, but it is going up significantly in Europe and is starting to rise again here. Of course since ours never went down to nearly the levels in Europe, we are still "winning".

Europe has been a lot more lax as their months with low numbers went on. They are now trying to bring back measures to halt the spread.

Wearing masks is an effing easy thing to do and it is an extremely obvious, successful method to slow transmission of the virus. It doesn't eliminate transmission.

Making this a political issue is just wrong.

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Mask wearing is widespread. For instance, here in California there isn't a facility you can walk in to without wearing a mask, yet, our cases are rising. In the US, the vast majority in our largest population centers are wearing masks, yet those cases are also up. My niece lives in the UK where restrictions are tight, yet, cases are up. How are cases going up in the US and Europe simultaneously? It used to be that a wave hit in one place then made its way to the other.

Mask wearing and social distancing don't seem to be as effective as we'd hoped. These are the same methods used in 1918. I haven't heard any good reason why we'd have the kind of new case numbers we are having along with Europe except for the following article. The virus mutates, then spreads anew: https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/30/covid-strain-from-spanish-farm-workers-now-accounts-for-most-uk-cases-13505716/

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Case numbers rising in spite of masks IS NOT PROOF that mask wearing is ineffective. No one said that masks could 100% prevent disease spread. To prove your thesis you would have to show that COVID spreads the same way in places where the only variable is masks vs. no masks.

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Case numbers rising in spite of masks IS NOT PROOF that mask wearing is ineffective. No one said that masks could 100% prevent disease spread. To prove your thesis you would have to show that COVID spreads the same way in places where the only variable is masks vs. no masks.

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Wearing masks is very effective.

Ask the staff at your local ER if they perform procedures without them - pre-COVID or post-COVID.

*Javanka's lawsuit would make as much sense as Jerry "I like to watch" Falwell, Jr.'s lawsuit vs Liberty University for defamation.

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LMK5 said:

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Cases up in America and Europe--simultaneously. Figure that one out. Cases up in ... wait for it ... Iceland! Masks don't seem to be as effective as some thought. If they were, why would we have more daily cases than way back in the pre-mask-wearing days? Don't say it's due to more testing because when Trump says that it gets shot down by the experts.

The virus will continue to do what it wants: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/30/coronavirus-strain-from-spain-accounts-for-most-uk-cases-study

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I love it when people ask a question, give the answer, and then say you can't use that answer.

C'mon man. I've seen your posting. You are a lot smarter than this.

The science behind mask wearing has been clear since April.

Cases have always been a problematic number because of the difference in detecting those cases. We know we had a lot more cases in March, April and May than we were finding because back then you pretty much only got a test if you were in the hospital.

Yes, the numbers are up because testing is up. Your "Don't say.." comment is deliberately obtuse.

1. No one ever took issue with Trump's premise that when you test more you find more cases. They took major issue with the fact that his conclusion from that was that you should test less so your numbers don't look as bad. That doesn't help our ability to respond. It hurts it. If the point is trying to make Trump look better, testing less may do that. If the point is trying to save lives, it most certainly won't.

2. The increase in testing has been used by some to completely explain the entire increase in cases. It does not do that. It does explain a good chunk of it. It does not explain all of it, and the death rates that followed demonstrated that.

Deaths is the key indicator. It lags, but it is going up significantly in Europe and is starting to rise again here. Of course since ours never went down to nearly the levels in Europe, we are still "winning".

Europe has been a lot more lax as their months with low numbers went on. They are now trying to bring back measures to halt the spread.

Wearing masks is an effing easy thing to do and it is an extremely obvious, successful method to slow transmission of the virus. It doesn't eliminate transmission.

Making this a political issue is just wrong.

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Mask wearing is widespread. For instance, here in California there isn't a facility you can walk in to without wearing a mask, yet, our cases are rising. In the US, the vast majority in our largest population centers are wearing masks, yet those cases are also up. My niece lives in the UK where restrictions are tight, yet, cases are up. How are cases going up in the US and Europe simultaneously? It used to be that a wave hit in one place then made its way to the other.

Mask wearing and social distancing don't seem to be as effective as we'd hoped. These are the same methods used in 1918. I haven't heard any good reason why we'd have the kind of new case numbers we are having along with Europe except for the following article. The virus mutates, then spreads anew: https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/30/covid-strain-from-spanish-farm-workers-now-accounts-for-most-uk-cases-13505716/

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Case numbers rising in spite of masks IS NOT PROOF that mask wearing is ineffective. No one said that masks could 100% prevent disease spread. To prove your thesis you would have to show that COVID spreads the same way in places where the only variable is masks vs. no masks.

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Obviously the deep state is involved. Why else would the virus be flourishing in states with lower mask compliance?

Here's roughly the top half of the country in deaths per 100k over the last week (source):

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Europe opened earlier. In a way that was smarter because a lot of riskier activities were outdoors- drinking, eating, etc plus people spent more time outdoors. People also became complacent. Then it became colder and more bars, etc moved indoors as did people where things were riskier. If you are in a bar or club indoors after midnight chances are masks are not what is on your mind. You are likely yelling, laughing, spitting and trying to $uck someone.

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The stupidity of being in a crowded indoor environment pretty much counteracts the effectiveness of wearing a mask in any case.

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OaktownBear said:

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LMK5 said:

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Cases up in America and Europe--simultaneously. Figure that one out. Cases up in ... wait for it ... Iceland! Masks don't seem to be as effective as some thought. If they were, why would we have more daily cases than way back in the pre-mask-wearing days? Don't say it's due to more testing because when Trump says that it gets shot down by the experts.

The virus will continue to do what it wants: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/30/coronavirus-strain-from-spain-accounts-for-most-uk-cases-study

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I love it when people ask a question, give the answer, and then say you can't use that answer.

C'mon man. I've seen your posting. You are a lot smarter than this.

The science behind mask wearing has been clear since April.

Cases have always been a problematic number because of the difference in detecting those cases. We know we had a lot more cases in March, April and May than we were finding because back then you pretty much only got a test if you were in the hospital.

Yes, the numbers are up because testing is up. Your "Don't say.." comment is deliberately obtuse.

1. No one ever took issue with Trump's premise that when you test more you find more cases. They took major issue with the fact that his conclusion from that was that you should test less so your numbers don't look as bad. That doesn't help our ability to respond. It hurts it. If the point is trying to make Trump look better, testing less may do that. If the point is trying to save lives, it most certainly won't.

2. The increase in testing has been used by some to completely explain the entire increase in cases. It does not do that. It does explain a good chunk of it. It does not explain all of it, and the death rates that followed demonstrated that.

Deaths is the key indicator. It lags, but it is going up significantly in Europe and is starting to rise again here. Of course since ours never went down to nearly the levels in Europe, we are still "winning".

Europe has been a lot more lax as their months with low numbers went on. They are now trying to bring back measures to halt the spread.

Wearing masks is an effing easy thing to do and it is an extremely obvious, successful method to slow transmission of the virus. It doesn't eliminate transmission.

Making this a political issue is just wrong.

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I'm not talking about politics. I'm wearing a mask as we speak. Mask wearing is widespread. For instance, here in California there isn't a facility you can walk in to without wearing a mask, yet, our cases are rising. In the US, the vast majority in our largest population centers are wearing masks, yet those cases are also up. My niece lives in the UK where restrictions are tight, yet, cases are up. How are cases going up in the US and Europe simultaneously? It used to be that a wave hit in one place then made its way to the other.

Mask wearing and social distancing don't seem to be as effective as we'd hoped. These are the same methods used in 1918. I haven't heard any good reason why we'd have the kind of new case numbers we are having along with Europe except for the following article. The virus mutates, then spreads anew: https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/30/covid-strain-from-spanish-farm-workers-now-accounts-for-most-uk-cases-13505716/

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Cases are rising slower in California than in most other states and frankly, Northern California is still way below the rest of the country despite having the first known death.

Your argument is like saying seatbelts don't work because people still die in car crashes. Health experts have been saying we were likely to get a second wave in the fall/winter the entire time. There are a lot of possible reasons for it. Some due to the virus. Some due to human behavior (like places that rose during the summer are ungodly hot - forcing people indoors, and places that are rising now are where people spend more time indoors in the fall/winter.)

As somebody else said, it is ridiculous that we need to explain the effectiveness of wearing masks in slowing the spread of illness when it has been proven practice in the medical field for well over a century. You guys would make us scientifically prove the usefulness of the wheel if you thought you could make a political point.

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1/3 of a million infected and 4k dead since Tuesday. Sure we're rounding the corner and it will be gone on Tuesday. I get that there are a bunch of Trump dead enders, but are people really that obtuse to what is happening out there?

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We are pretty close to 100k new cases today (worldometers has us at 95k currently and the day's not over). Maybe when Trump said we were rounding the corner he was thinking case counts were like an old school odometer that resets to 0 after you surpass 100,000 miles.

EDIT: And here we go.

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Another grim milestone and with Trump still in charge and throwing a tantrum for the next 3 months it will only get worse.