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LMK5 said:

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OaktownBear said:

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Japan had 98% mask compliance and peaked at 6,500 cases a day. The US had much lower mask compliance and peaked at 250,000 cases a day. I'd say wearing masks helped.

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As I said on the other thread, this reading of the curve is moronic. Masks don't eliminate Covid. Like almost everywhere Japan saw a seasonal increase in Covid. The difference is their baseline was lower. We had 24 times the deaths per capita. Again, if masks eliminated almost every case, but they bottomed out at 2 cases and then increased to a measly 50, they would draw a really scary looking curve. None of which means anything related to the effectiveness of masks. The scientific and statistical illiteracy among some Cal grads is soul crushing.

Every year we see a gigantic spike in flu cases after we increase our flu vaccines. The above argument is the same logic as saying flu vaccines cause flu.

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So then what statistical tool would you use to gauge the effectiveness of masks? There must be a more scientific argument than "you gotta believe."

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https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2776536

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8

https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118#sec-22

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

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Excellent work sy. Clearly you were paying attention when attending Cal. So, would it be safe to say that had we not been wearing masks during the fall-winter surge that we'd all be dead?

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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LMK5 said:

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sycasey said:

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LMK5 said:

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OaktownBear said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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Japan had 98% mask compliance and peaked at 6,500 cases a day. The US had much lower mask compliance and peaked at 250,000 cases a day. I'd say wearing masks helped.

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As I said on the other thread, this reading of the curve is moronic. Masks don't eliminate Covid. Like almost everywhere Japan saw a seasonal increase in Covid. The difference is their baseline was lower. We had 24 times the deaths per capita. Again, if masks eliminated almost every case, but they bottomed out at 2 cases and then increased to a measly 50, they would draw a really scary looking curve. None of which means anything related to the effectiveness of masks. The scientific and statistical illiteracy among some Cal grads is soul crushing.

Every year we see a gigantic spike in flu cases after we increase our flu vaccines. The above argument is the same logic as saying flu vaccines cause flu.

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So then what statistical tool would you use to gauge the effectiveness of masks? There must be a more scientific argument than "you gotta believe."

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https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2776536

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8

https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118#sec-22

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

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Excellent work sy. Clearly you were paying attention when attending Cal. So, would it be safe to say that had we not been wearing masks during the fall-winter surge that we'd all be dead?

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Sometimes reality falls somewhere between the extreme cases. 0% and 100% doesn't happen very often.

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OaktownBear said:

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LMK5 said:

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OaktownBear said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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BearForce2 said:

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Japan had 98% mask compliance and peaked at 6,500 cases a day. The US had much lower mask compliance and peaked at 250,000 cases a day. I'd say wearing masks helped.

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As I said on the other thread, this reading of the curve is moronic. Masks don't eliminate Covid. Like almost everywhere Japan saw a seasonal increase in Covid. The difference is their baseline was lower. We had 24 times the deaths per capita. Again, if masks eliminated almost every case, but they bottomed out at 2 cases and then increased to a measly 50, they would draw a really scary looking curve. None of which means anything related to the effectiveness of masks. The scientific and statistical illiteracy among some Cal grads is soul crushing.

Every year we see a gigantic spike in flu cases after we increase our flu vaccines. The above argument is the same logic as saying flu vaccines cause flu.

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So then what statistical tool would you use to gauge the effectiveness of masks? There must be a more scientific argument than "you gotta believe."

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1. There are tons of scientific studies that use complicated statistical analysis looking similarly situated examples where you can somewhat control for variables. You and BF ignore these preferring to look at charts of data posted in Twitter to make arguments that you should see in less than 5 seconds are clearly flawed.
2. There is a century worth of data showing that masks help prevent the spread of the vast majority of disease . As I said, next time you need surgery or go to the dentist for that matter, please tell them not to wear a mask if you are so convinced of this. While you are at it, please tell them not to wash their hands too because people in Japan didn't maintain a constant Covid rate despite washing their hands at a consistent rate.
3. The mechanism for masks reducing the spread of disease are easily tested and explained. We know the disease spreads through droplets and we know masks limit the spread of droplets.

4. I'm not searching the web for complex studies that you will just say TL/DR and mick in favor of a graph that to anyone with a brain doesn't say that masks don't work. You are way too smart to look at a graph showing a seasonal increase in COVID in a country that has had very few deaths per capita and say it shows masks don't work. You have from the beginning wanted to believe absolutely no measure works. You can find some reasonable studies on some measures that have been taken aren't effective. On masks you are being willfully ignorant. There is no point trying to convince you. The only point is to respond so that people who may take too cursory a look at the above see it's stupidity.

5. For goodness sake it is a stupid piece of cloth. How hard is it? If you can't breathe you need to go to the doctor because you obviously have a serious underlying condition

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OaktownBear said:

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LMK5 said:

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OaktownBear said:

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LMK5 said:

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OaktownBear said:

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Japan had 98% mask compliance and peaked at 6,500 cases a day. The US had much lower mask compliance and peaked at 250,000 cases a day. I'd say wearing masks helped.

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As I said on the other thread, this reading of the curve is moronic. Masks don't eliminate Covid. Like almost everywhere Japan saw a seasonal increase in Covid. The difference is their baseline was lower. We had 24 times the deaths per capita. Again, if masks eliminated almost every case, but they bottomed out at 2 cases and then increased to a measly 50, they would draw a really scary looking curve. None of which means anything related to the effectiveness of masks. The scientific and statistical illiteracy among some Cal grads is soul crushing.

Every year we see a gigantic spike in flu cases after we increase our flu vaccines. The above argument is the same logic as saying flu vaccines cause flu.

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So then what statistical tool would you use to gauge the effectiveness of masks? There must be a more scientific argument than "you gotta believe."

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1. There are tons of scientific studies that use complicated statistical analysis looking similarly situated examples where you can somewhat control for variables. You and BF ignore these preferring to look at charts of data posted in Twitter to make arguments that you should see in less than 5 seconds are clearly flawed.
2. There is a century worth of data showing that masks help prevent the spread of the vast majority of disease . As I said, next time you need surgery or go to the dentist for that matter, please tell them not to wear a mask if you are so convinced of this. While you are at it, please tell them not to wash their hands too because people in Japan didn't maintain a constant Covid rate despite washing their hands at a consistent rate.
3. The mechanism for masks reducing the spread of disease are easily tested and explained. We know the disease spreads through droplets and we know masks limit the spread of droplets.

4. I'm not searching the web for complex studies that you will just say TL/DR and mick in favor of a graph that to anyone with a brain doesn't say that masks don't work. You are way too smart to look at a graph showing a seasonal increase in COVID in a country that has had very few deaths per capita and say it shows masks don't work. You have from the beginning wanted to believe absolutely no measure works. You can find some reasonable studies on some measures that have been taken aren't effective. On masks you are being willfully ignorant. There is no point trying to convince you. The only point is to respond so that people who may take too cursory a look at the above see it's stupidity.

5. For goodness sake it is a stupid piece of cloth. How hard is it? If you can't breathe you need to go to the doctor because you obviously have a serious underlying condition

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Yes, but if you looked at my later post, I acknowledged the studies linked by sy. That said, it does seem that masks are more effective against the flu than covid.

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You call mocking them by claiming they say we'd all be dead acknowledging them?

No, it doesn't seem like the measures were more effective against the flu. What it seems like is that the measures were taken when we had almost no flu cases so flu never could take hold. The number one reason Asia did so much better is that they have been through this before, they know how to attack it right away, and they have near universal compliance. Had we taken measures immediately it is likely that the thing doesn't take hold in a significant way. Every western country waited until they saw significant numbers before doing anything

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LMK5 said:

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OaktownBear said:

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LMK5 said:

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OaktownBear said:

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LMK5 said:

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OaktownBear said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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BearForce2 said:

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Japan had 98% mask compliance and peaked at 6,500 cases a day. The US had much lower mask compliance and peaked at 250,000 cases a day. I'd say wearing masks helped.

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As I said on the other thread, this reading of the curve is moronic. Masks don't eliminate Covid. Like almost everywhere Japan saw a seasonal increase in Covid. The difference is their baseline was lower. We had 24 times the deaths per capita. Again, if masks eliminated almost every case, but they bottomed out at 2 cases and then increased to a measly 50, they would draw a really scary looking curve. None of which means anything related to the effectiveness of masks. The scientific and statistical illiteracy among some Cal grads is soul crushing.

Every year we see a gigantic spike in flu cases after we increase our flu vaccines. The above argument is the same logic as saying flu vaccines cause flu.

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So then what statistical tool would you use to gauge the effectiveness of masks? There must be a more scientific argument than "you gotta believe."

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1. There are tons of scientific studies that use complicated statistical analysis looking similarly situated examples where you can somewhat control for variables. You and BF ignore these preferring to look at charts of data posted in Twitter to make arguments that you should see in less than 5 seconds are clearly flawed.
2. There is a century worth of data showing that masks help prevent the spread of the vast majority of disease . As I said, next time you need surgery or go to the dentist for that matter, please tell them not to wear a mask if you are so convinced of this. While you are at it, please tell them not to wash their hands too because people in Japan didn't maintain a constant Covid rate despite washing their hands at a consistent rate.
3. The mechanism for masks reducing the spread of disease are easily tested and explained. We know the disease spreads through droplets and we know masks limit the spread of droplets.

4. I'm not searching the web for complex studies that you will just say TL/DR and mick in favor of a graph that to anyone with a brain doesn't say that masks don't work. You are way too smart to look at a graph showing a seasonal increase in COVID in a country that has had very few deaths per capita and say it shows masks don't work. You have from the beginning wanted to believe absolutely no measure works. You can find some reasonable studies on some measures that have been taken aren't effective. On masks you are being willfully ignorant. There is no point trying to convince you. The only point is to respond so that people who may take too cursory a look at the above see it's stupidity.

5. For goodness sake it is a stupid piece of cloth. How hard is it? If you can't breathe you need to go to the doctor because you obviously have a serious underlying condition

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Yes, but if you looked at my later post, I acknowledged the studies linked by sy. That said, it does seem that masks are more effective against the flu than covid.

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You call mocking them by claiming they say we'd all be dead acknowledging them?

No, it doesn't seem like the measures were more effective against the flu. What it seems like is that the measures were taken when we had almost no flu cases so flu never could take hold. The number one reason Asia did so much better is that they have been through this before, they know how to attack it right away, and they have near universal compliance. Had we taken measures immediately it is likely that the thing doesn't take hold in a significant way. Every western country waited until they saw significant numbers before doing anything

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The Asians definitely saw it coming early on, after all, they've seen it so many times before. I remember back around January of 2020 I was walking my dog past my neighbor's house, and he happened to have his garage door open. So I see all this toilet paper, paper towels, cleaning supplies, water bottles, batteries, etc. So I said, "Jerry, are you starting a consumer nondurables business"? Since he's not a Cal grad he was able to laugh and he replied that he'd been talking to his relatives in China and Hong Kong and they told him to be prepared. Around the same time, we'd drive by Costco and see these huge lines of Asian customers and we'd wonder, "what's on sale"? But they turned out to be right. They got firsthand information from relatives that this was a big one. There was no toilet paper for the rest of us.

What's strange is that, with these kinds of outbreaks being not uncommon in Asian countries, that they wouldn't be taking year-round precautions to prevent them.

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I guess it was at that point that they told you to wear 2, or 3, or how ever many you can bear without getting to the gasping point?

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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OaktownBear said:

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4. I'm not searching the web for complex studies that you will just say TL/DR and mick in favor of a graph that to anyone with a brain doesn't say that masks don't work. You are way too smart to look at a graph showing a seasonal increase in COVID in a country that has had very few deaths per capita and say it shows masks don't work. You have from the beginning wanted to believe absolutely no measure works. You can find some reasonable studies on some measures that have been taken aren't effective. On masks you are being willfully ignorant. There is no point trying to convince you. The only point is to respond so that people who may take too cursory a look at the above see it's stupidity.

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This.

I have mostly given upon responding to these kind of agenda driven arguments unless I can do it in 2 or 3 sentences. I used to do so more often, but even in my career field where I've worked the last 30 years, there's always some clown with a website or a twitter account that has more credibility than me. Frankly, it's not worth more than a minute or so of my time pointing out obvious fallacies that they will then staunchly defend with other websites and tweets.

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OaktownBear said:

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LMK5 said:

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OaktownBear said:

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LMK5 said:

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OaktownBear said:

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LMK5 said:

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OaktownBear said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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Japan had 98% mask compliance and peaked at 6,500 cases a day. The US had much lower mask compliance and peaked at 250,000 cases a day. I'd say wearing masks helped.

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As I said on the other thread, this reading of the curve is moronic. Masks don't eliminate Covid. Like almost everywhere Japan saw a seasonal increase in Covid. The difference is their baseline was lower. We had 24 times the deaths per capita. Again, if masks eliminated almost every case, but they bottomed out at 2 cases and then increased to a measly 50, they would draw a really scary looking curve. None of which means anything related to the effectiveness of masks. The scientific and statistical illiteracy among some Cal grads is soul crushing.

Every year we see a gigantic spike in flu cases after we increase our flu vaccines. The above argument is the same logic as saying flu vaccines cause flu.

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So then what statistical tool would you use to gauge the effectiveness of masks? There must be a more scientific argument than "you gotta believe."

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1. There are tons of scientific studies that use complicated statistical analysis looking similarly situated examples where you can somewhat control for variables. You and BF ignore these preferring to look at charts of data posted in Twitter to make arguments that you should see in less than 5 seconds are clearly flawed.
2. There is a century worth of data showing that masks help prevent the spread of the vast majority of disease . As I said, next time you need surgery or go to the dentist for that matter, please tell them not to wear a mask if you are so convinced of this. While you are at it, please tell them not to wash their hands too because people in Japan didn't maintain a constant Covid rate despite washing their hands at a consistent rate.
3. The mechanism for masks reducing the spread of disease are easily tested and explained. We know the disease spreads through droplets and we know masks limit the spread of droplets.

4. I'm not searching the web for complex studies that you will just say TL/DR and mick in favor of a graph that to anyone with a brain doesn't say that masks don't work. You are way too smart to look at a graph showing a seasonal increase in COVID in a country that has had very few deaths per capita and say it shows masks don't work. You have from the beginning wanted to believe absolutely no measure works. You can find some reasonable studies on some measures that have been taken aren't effective. On masks you are being willfully ignorant. There is no point trying to convince you. The only point is to respond so that people who may take too cursory a look at the above see it's stupidity.

5. For goodness sake it is a stupid piece of cloth. How hard is it? If you can't breathe you need to go to the doctor because you obviously have a serious underlying condition

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Yes, but if you looked at my later post, I acknowledged the studies linked by sy. That said, it does seem that masks are more effective against the flu than covid.

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You call mocking them by claiming they say we'd all be dead acknowledging them?

No, it doesn't seem like the measures were more effective against the flu. What it seems like is that the measures were taken when we had almost no flu cases so flu never could take hold. The number one reason Asia did so much better is that they have been through this before, they know how to attack it right away, and they have near universal compliance. Had we taken measures immediately it is likely that the thing doesn't take hold in a significant way. Every western country waited until they saw significant numbers before doing anything

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The Asians definitely saw it coming early on, after all, they've seen it so many times before. I remember back around January of 2020 I was walking my dog past my neighbor's house, and he happened to have his garage door open. So I see all this toilet paper, paper towels, cleaning supplies, water bottles, batteries, etc. So I said, "Jerry, are you starting a consumer nondurables business"? Since he's not a Cal grad he was able to laugh and he replied that he'd been talking to his relatives in China and Hong Kong and they told him to be prepared. Around the same time, we'd drive by Costco and see these huge lines of Asian customers and we'd wonder, "what's on sale"? But they turned out to be right. They got firsthand information from relatives that this was a big one. There was no toilet paper for the rest of us.

What's strange is that, with these kinds of outbreaks being not uncommon in Asian countries, that they wouldn't be taking year-round precautions to prevent them.

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We don't need to change everything in our lives for eternity. Being ready to rapidly respond is all that it takes. However, given that means immediately near universal mask wearing and contact tracing, I don't anticipate we will be where we need to be the next time.

I saw a recent study that basically said that if one sick person had stayed home from work that market in Wu Han, the disease may have died out before it took hold. It took a super spreader event to get it going

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LMK5 said:

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OaktownBear said:

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LMK5 said:

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OaktownBear said:

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LMK5 said:

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OaktownBear said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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BearForce2 said:

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Japan had 98% mask compliance and peaked at 6,500 cases a day. The US had much lower mask compliance and peaked at 250,000 cases a day. I'd say wearing masks helped.

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As I said on the other thread, this reading of the curve is moronic. Masks don't eliminate Covid. Like almost everywhere Japan saw a seasonal increase in Covid. The difference is their baseline was lower. We had 24 times the deaths per capita. Again, if masks eliminated almost every case, but they bottomed out at 2 cases and then increased to a measly 50, they would draw a really scary looking curve. None of which means anything related to the effectiveness of masks. The scientific and statistical illiteracy among some Cal grads is soul crushing.

Every year we see a gigantic spike in flu cases after we increase our flu vaccines. The above argument is the same logic as saying flu vaccines cause flu.

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So then what statistical tool would you use to gauge the effectiveness of masks? There must be a more scientific argument than "you gotta believe."

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1. There are tons of scientific studies that use complicated statistical analysis looking similarly situated examples where you can somewhat control for variables. You and BF ignore these preferring to look at charts of data posted in Twitter to make arguments that you should see in less than 5 seconds are clearly flawed.
2. There is a century worth of data showing that masks help prevent the spread of the vast majority of disease . As I said, next time you need surgery or go to the dentist for that matter, please tell them not to wear a mask if you are so convinced of this. While you are at it, please tell them not to wash their hands too because people in Japan didn't maintain a constant Covid rate despite washing their hands at a consistent rate.
3. The mechanism for masks reducing the spread of disease are easily tested and explained. We know the disease spreads through droplets and we know masks limit the spread of droplets.

4. I'm not searching the web for complex studies that you will just say TL/DR and mick in favor of a graph that to anyone with a brain doesn't say that masks don't work. You are way too smart to look at a graph showing a seasonal increase in COVID in a country that has had very few deaths per capita and say it shows masks don't work. You have from the beginning wanted to believe absolutely no measure works. You can find some reasonable studies on some measures that have been taken aren't effective. On masks you are being willfully ignorant. There is no point trying to convince you. The only point is to respond so that people who may take too cursory a look at the above see it's stupidity.

5. For goodness sake it is a stupid piece of cloth. How hard is it? If you can't breathe you need to go to the doctor because you obviously have a serious underlying condition

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Yes, but if you looked at my later post, I acknowledged the studies linked by sy. That said, it does seem that masks are more effective against the flu than covid.

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You call mocking them by claiming they say we'd all be dead acknowledging them?

No, it doesn't seem like the measures were more effective against the flu. What it seems like is that the measures were taken when we had almost no flu cases so flu never could take hold. The number one reason Asia did so much better is that they have been through this before, they know how to attack it right away, and they have near universal compliance. Had we taken measures immediately it is likely that the thing doesn't take hold in a significant way. Every western country waited until they saw significant numbers before doing anything

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The Asians definitely saw it coming early on, after all, they've seen it so many times before. I remember back around January of 2020 I was walking my dog past my neighbor's house, and he happened to have his garage door open. So I see all this toilet paper, paper towels, cleaning supplies, water bottles, batteries, etc. So I said, "Jerry, are you starting a consumer nondurables business"? Since he's not a Cal grad he was able to laugh and he replied that he'd been talking to his relatives in China and Hong Kong and they told him to be prepared. Around the same time, we'd drive by Costco and see these huge lines of Asian customers and we'd wonder, "what's on sale"? But they turned out to be right. They got firsthand information from relatives that this was a big one. There was no toilet paper for the rest of us.

What's strange is that, with these kinds of outbreaks being not uncommon in Asian countries, that they wouldn't be taking year-round precautions to prevent them.

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I guess it was at that point that they told you to wear 2, or 3, or how ever many you can bear without getting to the gasping point?

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The actual number of masks don't matter. What matters is if it looks like you're convincing others you're wearing more than one.

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LMK5 said:

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OaktownBear said:

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LMK5 said:

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OaktownBear said:

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LMK5 said:

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OaktownBear said:

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Japan had 98% mask compliance and peaked at 6,500 cases a day. The US had much lower mask compliance and peaked at 250,000 cases a day. I'd say wearing masks helped.

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As I said on the other thread, this reading of the curve is moronic. Masks don't eliminate Covid. Like almost everywhere Japan saw a seasonal increase in Covid. The difference is their baseline was lower. We had 24 times the deaths per capita. Again, if masks eliminated almost every case, but they bottomed out at 2 cases and then increased to a measly 50, they would draw a really scary looking curve. None of which means anything related to the effectiveness of masks. The scientific and statistical illiteracy among some Cal grads is soul crushing.

Every year we see a gigantic spike in flu cases after we increase our flu vaccines. The above argument is the same logic as saying flu vaccines cause flu.

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So then what statistical tool would you use to gauge the effectiveness of masks? There must be a more scientific argument than "you gotta believe."

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1. There are tons of scientific studies that use complicated statistical analysis looking similarly situated examples where you can somewhat control for variables. You and BF ignore these preferring to look at charts of data posted in Twitter to make arguments that you should see in less than 5 seconds are clearly flawed.
2. There is a century worth of data showing that masks help prevent the spread of the vast majority of disease . As I said, next time you need surgery or go to the dentist for that matter, please tell them not to wear a mask if you are so convinced of this. While you are at it, please tell them not to wash their hands too because people in Japan didn't maintain a constant Covid rate despite washing their hands at a consistent rate.
3. The mechanism for masks reducing the spread of disease are easily tested and explained. We know the disease spreads through droplets and we know masks limit the spread of droplets.

4. I'm not searching the web for complex studies that you will just say TL/DR and mick in favor of a graph that to anyone with a brain doesn't say that masks don't work. You are way too smart to look at a graph showing a seasonal increase in COVID in a country that has had very few deaths per capita and say it shows masks don't work. You have from the beginning wanted to believe absolutely no measure works. You can find some reasonable studies on some measures that have been taken aren't effective. On masks you are being willfully ignorant. There is no point trying to convince you. The only point is to respond so that people who may take too cursory a look at the above see it's stupidity.

5. For goodness sake it is a stupid piece of cloth. How hard is it? If you can't breathe you need to go to the doctor because you obviously have a serious underlying condition

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Yes, but if you looked at my later post, I acknowledged the studies linked by sy. That said, it does seem that masks are more effective against the flu than covid.

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You call mocking them by claiming they say we'd all be dead acknowledging them?

No, it doesn't seem like the measures were more effective against the flu. What it seems like is that the measures were taken when we had almost no flu cases so flu never could take hold. The number one reason Asia did so much better is that they have been through this before, they know how to attack it right away, and they have near universal compliance. Had we taken measures immediately it is likely that the thing doesn't take hold in a significant way. Every western country waited until they saw significant numbers before doing anything

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The Asians definitely saw it coming early on, after all, they've seen it so many times before. I remember back around January of 2020 I was walking my dog past my neighbor's house, and he happened to have his garage door open. So I see all this toilet paper, paper towels, cleaning supplies, water bottles, batteries, etc. So I said, "Jerry, are you starting a consumer nondurables business"? Since he's not a Cal grad he was able to laugh and he replied that he'd been talking to his relatives in China and Hong Kong and they told him to be prepared. Around the same time, we'd drive by Costco and see these huge lines of Asian customers and we'd wonder, "what's on sale"? But they turned out to be right. They got firsthand information from relatives that this was a big one. There was no toilet paper for the rest of us.

What's strange is that, with these kinds of outbreaks being not uncommon in Asian countries, that they wouldn't be taking year-round precautions to prevent them.

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Hey, you couldn't sneak that one by me! Ha ha ha ha ha ha!!

(At my Cal graduation, the guy handed me my diploma and said, "Remember, no laughing." Clutching it tightly, I gave him a big guffaw as I sprinted off the stage. They haven't been able to rescind my degree, so I guess it's more of a guideline than a hard and fast law.)

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Cuomo cutting family in line for tests -- not a great look, but whatever. Cutting family in line for vaccine doses -- now that would be problematic. The NY Post headline "Inside jab" has nothing to do with shots and promotes a lie.

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Vaccinations open to all in SF on April 15.

https://instagr.am/p/CM3M2uvJVIK

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OaktownBear said:

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Newsom announced this for all of California. This is not SF specific

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I'm hopeful that we're really starting to permanently bend the curve. The pharmacy closest to my house started offering vaccinations on Monday so I'm hopeful that sometime in late April or May that I will be able to get my first dose just in time for summer. No one wanted to wait this long, but it's great to see public health measures paying off.

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