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What about Berkeley, one of America's great public universities? Nobody cares about Cal; the amount of vitriol against it on social media verges on the ridiculous.

— VPaterno (@VPaterno19) August 3, 2023

This is a good thread to read through. I had no idea the level of hate the regular Joe Schmoe has for Berkeley.

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Not sure I'd describe it as "good".

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I'm not going to read it, but someone has to explain to me why so many people dislike Cal beyond an answer that essentially boils down to "'cuz they LIBRUHL!"

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If you understand that Football is quickly become a regional sport (at least in respect to HS feeder activity) and that is in the more conservative south their dislike of what they PERCEIVE Cal is makes ALL the sense in the world.

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Nobody feels that way about Virginia, Michigan, Texas, UCLA, UNC, GA Tech, or any of the other great public universities. There is a price to pay for elitism, self-righteousness, and dysfunction. If you're going to sit on a gilded throne, you'd better have your house in order.

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I just don't get this quote either. Cal has a ton of students from the lowest rungs of American socioeconomic status, and was (2 years ago maybe?) ranked as the #1 school in the country giving college students upwards socioeconomic mobility.

I grew up in Texas. PLENTY of UT alumns are elitist, snobby *******s.

I guess all I'm saying is, it feels as though many of these internet judgements (most?) have become nothing more than a meme originally lodged (and oft repeated) by people who have spent 0.000 seconds on the Berkeley campus or interacting with Berkeley students and faculty.

Anyways, it doesn't really matter, I just find it odd.

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I find it best to not use twitter to form conclusions about society and their opinions. Most on twitter are either bots or represent an extreme, neither of which represent the majority.

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I try to remind myself of this often. I don't have a twitter, but your observation could be extended to many people who comment on other social media.

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What about Berkeley, one of America's great public universities? Nobody cares about Cal; the amount of vitriol against it on social media verges on the ridiculous.

— VPaterno (@VPaterno19) August 3, 2023

This is a good thread to read through. I had no idea the level of hate the regular Joe Schmoe has for Berkeley.

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I have been on various P12 sites during this entire P12 media deal fiasco. Cal is basically universally hated by most. Arizona and ASU the worst. Utah was somewhat supportive until they were advised the B1G had no spot for them but were considering Cal. Now the venom on that site for Cal is quite high.

The various posters from the Big 12 really dislike Cal. I was looking around the B1G today. Fans hate Cal. None of this should be a surprise.

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Is the Big 12 hatred for Cal based on politics? I can't imagine it would be any other reason except for a tendency towards academic arrogance. I'm also sure that there's a lot of anger because our teams haven't done well, our attendance has sucked, and yet because of our academic stature and location in the Bay we're still a higher priority than Utah or any of the Big 12 schools. I could see how they could cry foul because in their minds, they've done all the right things - spend insane amounts of money on athletics to field competitive teams and filled the stands. I'm not going to torture myself by going into the twitterers or risk life and limb by engaging some yahoos who hate everything my school and I stand for.

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I really think it's politics. Maybe I'm being tunnel vision, but I really do think Fox news did a lot to give us a bad image.

Rich kids from around the Bay Area dressing up as Antifa and going to Berkeley (the city) for whatever reason and causing a raucous = Fox news headline: Antifa protests at UC Berkeley. Students breaking ****.

Seriously. Rinse & repeat, it happened so many times.

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The ANTIFA protest was definitely a low point for Cal. A school culture that prides itself on free speech should not be banning an alt-right speaker from holding a conference. You can meme and laugh at his content but blocking speech is hypocritical and a slap in the face to the counter-culture ideals of Cal in the 60s.

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Completely agree with this. I deeply dislike that at times Cal (and other universities) have become somewhat anti-free speech. Let someone talk, then get roasted on the merit of what they say. Those thoughts/ attitudes exist out in the world, and I would rather students have the opportunity to hear them here, at Cal, in a supportive environment, completely by their own choice, so that they are exposed to those ideas and can form a coherent rebuttal. That's how the world works - you can't always expect to have someone protect you from ideas you don't like, and you'll get nowhere as an adult by only treating opponents with childlike screaming (well, maybe you can go into TV...). Besides, I think far too many people who are comfortable with shutting down particular speech have never stopped to think about what happens when people they disagree with starts making the rules about who gets shut down or not. Free speech has to be an accepted principal we stand on.

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Though this is one of the frequent times when the University of California gets blamed for something that is not within its control. The university did NOT ban the speaker. A bunch of protestors showed up and caused a ruckus (and frankly, a ruckus is precisely what this particular speaker wanted to happen). But the negative vibes get laid on Cal.

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What about Berkeley, one of America's great public universities? Nobody cares about Cal; the amount of vitriol against it on social media verges on the ridiculous.

— VPaterno (@VPaterno19) August 3, 2023

This is a good thread to read through. I had no idea the level of hate the regular Joe Schmoe has for Berkeley.

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I have been on various P12 sites during this entire P12 media deal fiasco. Cal is basically universally hated by most. Arizona and ASU the worst. Utah was somewhat supportive until they were advised the B1G had no spot for them but were considering Cal. Now the venom on that site for Cal is quite high.

The various posters from the Big 12 really dislike Cal. I was looking around the B1G today. Fans hate Cal. None of this should be a surprise.

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Is the Big 12 hatred for Cal based on politics? I can't imagine it would be any other reason except for a tendency towards academic arrogance. I'm also sure that there's a lot of anger because our teams haven't done well, our attendance has sucked, and yet because of our academic stature and location in the Bay we're still a higher priority than Utah or any of the Big 12 schools. I could see how they could cry foul because in their minds, they've done all the right things - spend insane amounts of money on athletics to field competitive teams and filled the stands. I'm not going to torture myself by going into the twitterers or risk life and limb by engaging some yahoos who hate everything my school and I stand for.

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I really think it's politics. Maybe I'm being tunnel vision, but I really do think Fox news did a lot to give us a bad image.

Rich kids from around the Bay Area dressing up as Antifa and going to Berkeley (the city) for whatever reason and causing a raucous = Fox news headline: Antifa protests at UC Berkeley. Students breaking ****.

Seriously. Rinse & repeat, it happened so many times.

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The ANTIFA protest was definitely a low point for Cal. A school culture that prides itself on free speech should not be banning an alt-right speaker from holding a conference. You can meme and laugh at his content but blocking speech is hypocritical and a slap in the face to the counter-culture ideals of Cal in the 60s.

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Completely agree with this. I deeply dislike that at times Cal (and other universities) have become somewhat anti-free speech. Let someone talk, then get roasted on the merit of what they say. Those thoughts/ attitudes exist out in the world, and I would rather students have the opportunity to hear them here, at Cal, in a supportive environment, completely by their own choice, so that they are exposed to those ideas and can form a coherent rebuttal. That's how the world works - you can't always expect to have someone protect you from ideas you don't like, and you'll get nowhere as an adult by only treating opponents with childlike screaming (well, maybe you can go into TV...). Besides, I think far too many people who are comfortable with shutting down particular speech have never stopped to think about what happens when people they disagree with starts making the rules about who gets shut down or not. Free speech has to be an accepted principal we stand on.

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Though this is one of the frequent times when the University of California gets blamed for something that is not within its control. The university did NOT ban the speaker. A bunch of protestors showed up and caused a ruckus (and frankly, a ruckus is precisely what this particular speaker wanted to happen). But the negative vibes get laid on Cal.

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Fair enough, though I was speaking more to the attitude of some at Cal than I was of a specific event.

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"we're still a higher priority than Utah'

This is the point I can't understand. Is it just simple religious bigotry, by religious bigots of a different stripe, who undervalue the Utes? Nice place. Nice campus. Nice program.

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I think it's a combo of things, mostly "newness." Not long ago they were a G5 program with often bad attendance and (someone correct me if I'm wrong) not AAU either. They've done everything right and worked their way up, but especially on the athletic side, I think there's a wondering if their success will stick, and if other programs - because of locations in a bigger market or whatever - are more valuable even during a school's down times.

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I agree. I don't think anti-LDS feelings are involved. Utah was not very good at football until Whittingham arrived. What happens when he's gone? Also, since market size is important, it's not surprising that Cal and Furd would be a higher priority. Again, on the academic side, several B1G schools believe they have a lot more in common with Cal than they do with Utah.

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Utah's rise in football started with head coach Urban Meyer, who preceded Whittingham. KW was his DC.

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Both statements are accurate…KW arrived with UM and the program's rise began with KW's arrival…first with UM as HC them KW. Yes?

UU us a terrific example of a well run school, including the athletic department. They deserve better than the Big12.

That said, so do we…the winning hasn't arrived yet, but we made the largest investment over the last 15 years in a football stadium in the entire country.

All the hate is really all politics.

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What about Berkeley, one of America's great public universities? Nobody cares about Cal; the amount of vitriol against it on social media verges on the ridiculous.

— VPaterno (@VPaterno19) August 3, 2023

This is a good thread to read through. I had no idea the level of hate the regular Joe Schmoe has for Berkeley.

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I have been on various P12 sites during this entire P12 media deal fiasco. Cal is basically universally hated by most. Arizona and ASU the worst. Utah was somewhat supportive until they were advised the B1G had no spot for them but were considering Cal. Now the venom on that site for Cal is quite high.

The various posters from the Big 12 really dislike Cal. I was looking around the B1G today. Fans hate Cal. None of this should be a surprise.

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Is the Big 12 hatred for Cal based on politics? I can't imagine it would be any other reason except for a tendency towards academic arrogance. I'm also sure that there's a lot of anger because our teams haven't done well, our attendance has sucked, and yet because of our academic stature and location in the Bay we're still a higher priority than Utah or any of the Big 12 schools. I could see how they could cry foul because in their minds, they've done all the right things - spend insane amounts of money on athletics to field competitive teams and filled the stands. I'm not going to torture myself by going into the twitterers or risk life and limb by engaging some yahoos who hate everything my school and I stand for.

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I really think it's politics. Maybe I'm being tunnel vision, but I really do think Fox news did a lot to give us a bad image.

Rich kids from around the Bay Area dressing up as Antifa and going to Berkeley (the city) for whatever reason and causing a raucous = Fox news headline: Antifa protests at UC Berkeley. Students breaking ****.

Seriously. Rinse & repeat, it happened so many times.

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The ANTIFA protest was definitely a low point for Cal. A school culture that prides itself on free speech should not be banning an alt-right speaker from holding a conference. You can meme and laugh at his content but blocking speech is hypocritical and a slap in the face to the counter-culture ideals of Cal in the 60s.

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Completely agree with this. I deeply dislike that at times Cal (and other universities) have become somewhat anti-free speech. Let someone talk, then get roasted on the merit of what they say. Those thoughts/ attitudes exist out in the world, and I would rather students have the opportunity to hear them here, at Cal, in a supportive environment, completely by their own choice, so that they are exposed to those ideas and can form a coherent rebuttal. That's how the world works - you can't always expect to have someone protect you from ideas you don't like, and you'll get nowhere as an adult by only treating opponents with childlike screaming (well, maybe you can go into TV...). Besides, I think far too many people who are comfortable with shutting down particular speech have never stopped to think about what happens when people they disagree with starts making the rules about who gets shut down or not. Free speech has to be an accepted principal we stand on.

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If I remember correctly (and it's been a while), its that Cal would have had to spend a half million dollars on security for the event, and that since the campus is perpetually broke, decided not to hold the event.

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What about Berkeley, one of America's great public universities? Nobody cares about Cal; the amount of vitriol against it on social media verges on the ridiculous.

— VPaterno (@VPaterno19) August 3, 2023

This is a good thread to read through. I had no idea the level of hate the regular Joe Schmoe has for Berkeley.

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I have been on various P12 sites during this entire P12 media deal fiasco. Cal is basically universally hated by most. Arizona and ASU the worst. Utah was somewhat supportive until they were advised the B1G had no spot for them but were considering Cal. Now the venom on that site for Cal is quite high.

The various posters from the Big 12 really dislike Cal. I was looking around the B1G today. Fans hate Cal. None of this should be a surprise.

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Is the Big 12 hatred for Cal based on politics? I can't imagine it would be any other reason except for a tendency towards academic arrogance. I'm also sure that there's a lot of anger because our teams haven't done well, our attendance has sucked, and yet because of our academic stature and location in the Bay we're still a higher priority than Utah or any of the Big 12 schools. I could see how they could cry foul because in their minds, they've done all the right things - spend insane amounts of money on athletics to field competitive teams and filled the stands. I'm not going to torture myself by going into the twitterers or risk life and limb by engaging some yahoos who hate everything my school and I stand for.

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I really think it's politics. Maybe I'm being tunnel vision, but I really do think Fox news did a lot to give us a bad image.

Rich kids from around the Bay Area dressing up as Antifa and going to Berkeley (the city) for whatever reason and causing a raucous = Fox news headline: Antifa protests at UC Berkeley. Students breaking ****.

Seriously. Rinse & repeat, it happened so many times.

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The ANTIFA protest was definitely a low point for Cal. A school culture that prides itself on free speech should not be banning an alt-right speaker from holding a conference. You can meme and laugh at his content but blocking speech is hypocritical and a slap in the face to the counter-culture ideals of Cal in the 60s.

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I'm very left of center, but I thought it was inexcusable when they wouldn't let Jeanne Kirkpatrick say what she had to say. Yes - I'm dating myself there.

I get it. She's not popular. But Cal is the Marketplace of Ideas and the best idea is supposed to be the one that wins.

I spend a lot of time in SEC country. Nobody hates us; they are indifferent or clueless to us. If we showed up with Aaron Rodgers, Marshawn and Desean and kicked their asses- then they might hate us.

Also the Berkeley reputation is mostly based on events 50-60 years ago,. It's pretty irrelevant to contemporary life despite its mythical status

Most of the people who hate "Berkeley" have no idea Cal is the same school.

That said, Fox executives do, but I'm pretty sure they only really care about money. WWE has shown there is money to be made in being villains. It would help if we were more competitive.

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WWR has shown there is money to be made in being villains. It would help if we were more competitive

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Could all the players wear eye patches?

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WWR has shown there is money to be made in being villains. It would help if we were more competitive

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Could all the players wear eye patches?

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The lack of depth perception in the passing game would surely destroy us.

Wes the Jet.

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WWR has shown there is money to be made in being villains. It would help if we were more competitive

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Could all the players wear eye patches?

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I'm thinking Nike alternative blue and gold tie-dye jerseys with "Berkeley," peace symbols and "Black Lives Matter" patches.

Cal has mismanaged its athletic department for a long time. But the notion that Cal freaking Berkeley - one of the great schools in the country in an amazing location - would get left behind in realignment is unacceptable https://t.co/IhpIo5Vkaj

— Dan Wolken (@DanWolken) August 4, 2023

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I spend a lot of time in SEC country. Nobody hates us; they are indifferent or clueless to us. If we showed up with Aaron Rodgers, Marshawn and Desean and kicked their asses- then they might hate us.

Also the Berkeley reputation is mostly based on events 50-60 years ago,. It's pretty irrelevant to contemporary life despite its mythical status

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Yeah and that reputation persists. "Berkeley" is probably the biggest school name trigger for conservative people.

Worth noting: Oregon tweets with players have removed the PAC logo from jerseys

🦆! #GoDucks pic.twitter.com/kEEiUS5wdv

— ✞ Williams Nwaneri 🇳🇬 (@NwaneriWilliams) August 3, 2023

T-minus 23 minutes...

Preseason #Pac12AfterDark

Arizona and Arizona State board meeting (9 p.m. ET/6 p.m. PT)*: https://t.co/y1YKJguF8q

Washington board meeting (Midnight ET/9 p.m. PT)*: https://t.co/VXv1LJC5A6

*Pregame only

— Brandon Marcello (@bmarcello) August 4, 2023

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Cal has mismanaged its athletic department for a long time. But the notion that Cal freaking Berkeley - one of the great schools in the country in an amazing location - would get left behind in realignment is unacceptable https://t.co/IhpIo5Vkaj

— Dan Wolken (@DanWolken) August 4, 2023

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The situation is bad, but this seems unnecessarily harsh. If Stanford goes independent there is nothing stopping Cal from going independent too. It is not like you need an invite to go independent. Stanford is in the same boat we are in, hopefully we are working together.

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Cal has mismanaged its athletic department for a long time. But the notion that Cal freaking Berkeley - one of the great schools in the country in an amazing location - would get left behind in realignment is unacceptable https://t.co/IhpIo5Vkaj

— Dan Wolken (@DanWolken) August 4, 2023

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The situation is bad, but this seems unnecessarily harsh. If Stanford goes independent there is nothing stopping Cal from going independent too. It is not like you need an invite to go independent. Stanford is in the same boat we are in, hopefully we are working together.

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If Stanford goes independent, I think it helps Cal with the TV networks as they would no longer split the bay area media market.. If the Bay Area metro is 7.75 million people, Cal and Stanford delivers 3.875 each, but Cal alone would be 7.75.

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Cal has mismanaged its athletic department for a long time. But the notion that Cal freaking Berkeley - one of the great schools in the country in an amazing location - would get left behind in realignment is unacceptable https://t.co/IhpIo5Vkaj

— Dan Wolken (@DanWolken) August 4, 2023

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The situation is bad, but this seems unnecessarily harsh. If Stanford goes independent there is nothing stopping Cal from going independent too. It is not like you need an invite to go independent. Stanford is in the same boat we are in, hopefully we are working together.

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Going independent is not an answer. Other than Notre Dame, there isn't another school that's really been able to do it successfully. BYU tried it and managed it simply because they have their own TV network with 66 million subs and a national following due to their LDS affiliation. But they went to the Big XII the first chance they got.

Othen than Notre Dame, the only other independents are UMass, UConn and Army. It is not where you want to be. There is no network that is looking to partner with Cal as an independent.

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Cal has mismanaged its athletic department for a long time. But the notion that Cal freaking Berkeley - one of the great schools in the country in an amazing location - would get left behind in realignment is unacceptable https://t.co/IhpIo5Vkaj

— Dan Wolken (@DanWolken) August 4, 2023

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The situation is bad, but this seems unnecessarily harsh. If Stanford goes independent there is nothing stopping Cal from going independent too. It is not like you need an invite to go independent. Stanford is in the same boat we are in, hopefully we are working together.

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If Stanford goes independent, I think it helps Cal with the TV networks as they would no longer split the bay area media market.. If the Bay Area metro is 7.75 million people, Cal and Stanford delivers 3.875 each, but Cal alone would be 7.75.

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Who will line up to pay for the Golden Bear Network?

*If* Cal and Stanford are thinking of being football indies, there better be athletic department staffers working full time on this starting now. The 2024 season starts in less than 13 months, and each team would need to schedule 8 new games on short notice.

Most of the hate for Cal comes from people associated with Cal.

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T-minus 23 minutes...

Preseason #Pac12AfterDark

Arizona and Arizona State board meeting (9 p.m. ET/6 p.m. PT)*: https://t.co/y1YKJguF8q

Washington board meeting (Midnight ET/9 p.m. PT)*: https://t.co/VXv1LJC5A6

*Pregame only

— Brandon Marcello (@bmarcello) August 4, 2023

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It's closer to #Pac12TheFuneral

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Cal has mismanaged its athletic department for a long time. But the notion that Cal freaking Berkeley - one of the great schools in the country in an amazing location - would get left behind in realignment is unacceptable https://t.co/IhpIo5Vkaj

— Dan Wolken (@DanWolken) August 4, 2023

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The situation is bad, but this seems unnecessarily harsh. If Stanford goes independent there is nothing stopping Cal from going independent too. It is not like you need an invite to go independent. Stanford is in the same boat we are in, hopefully we are working together.

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I don't think Cal is capable of going independent. We don't have the money it would take to finance independent status, and from an operational perspective, we can't even get songleaders on the field, let alone implement a move to independence.
It's sad, but decades of a leadership void with respect to IA have brought us to this point.

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*If* Cal and Stanford are thinking of being football indies, there better be athletic department staffers working full time on this starting now. The 2024 season starts in less than 13 months, and each team would need to schedule 8 new games on short notice.

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The Little Sisters of the Poor have an open date on Labor Day weekend.

Arizona gone

Sources: Arizona is in deep discussions with the Big 12 about joining the league. Some finality is expected in the near future, as there’s an Arizona Board of Regents meeting scheduled for later tonight.

— Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) August 4, 2023

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Cal has mismanaged its athletic department for a long time. But the notion that Cal freaking Berkeley - one of the great schools in the country in an amazing location - would get left behind in realignment is unacceptable https://t.co/IhpIo5Vkaj

— Dan Wolken (@DanWolken) August 4, 2023

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The situation is bad, but this seems unnecessarily harsh. If Stanford goes independent there is nothing stopping Cal from going independent too. It is not like you need an invite to go independent. Stanford is in the same boat we are in, hopefully we are working together.

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I don't think Cal is capable of going independent. We don't have the money it would take to finance independent status, and from an operational perspective, we can't even get songleaders on the field, let along implement a move to independence.
It's sad, but decades of a leadership void with respect to IA have brought us to this point.

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Christ is gone. Knowlton needs to be canned. We can turn this around overnight like Madsen. Just have to have the will to do it

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Cal has mismanaged its athletic department for a long time. But the notion that Cal freaking Berkeley - one of the great schools in the country in an amazing location - would get left behind in realignment is unacceptable https://t.co/IhpIo5Vkaj

— Dan Wolken (@DanWolken) August 4, 2023

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The situation is bad, but this seems unnecessarily harsh. If Stanford goes independent there is nothing stopping Cal from going independent too. It is not like you need an invite to go independent. Stanford is in the same boat we are in, hopefully we are working together.

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I don't think Cal is capable of going independent. We don't have the money it would take to finance independent status, and from an operational perspective, we can't even get songleaders on the field, let along implement a move to independence.
It's sad, but decades of a leadership void with respect to IA have brought us to this point.

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But Umass and UConn do?

I would think any streaming deal Apple has offered would be available to Cal and Stanford on a pro rata basis.

Cal. Stanford, WSU, OSU, Notre Dame, Army, UConn and Umass is 7 games. You could come up with 5 more. Maybe even UCLA and USC. Hawaii only has 4 games as part of the MWC package and retains the rights to the rest including their local distribution rights. It is not ideal, but better than joining the MWC and would only be a placeholder while continuing to work on getting into the B1G. Many schools have gone independent in similar situations in the past. Also, the writer's and actors strike may mean a broadcast network would be interested this year. Again, not ideal, but Stanford is not more capable of this than us and most likely we would do it together.

Of course, the above would not be too different from maintaining the PAC-6 shell. My question is, would be be stuck with the $70 million debt to Comcast?

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*If* Cal and Stanford are thinking of being football indies, there better be athletic department staffers working full time on this starting now. The 2024 season starts in less than 13 months, and each team would need to schedule 8 new games on short notice.

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Jokes aside, it can be done if staffers work hard on it. One thing that others have done in the past is to approach two teams scheduled to play each other, and get them both to play Cal instead. If you can do that 3 times, that's 6 of the games you need.

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Cal has mismanaged its athletic department for a long time. But the notion that Cal freaking Berkeley - one of the great schools in the country in an amazing location - would get left behind in realignment is unacceptable https://t.co/IhpIo5Vkaj

— Dan Wolken (@DanWolken) August 4, 2023

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The situation is bad, but this seems unnecessarily harsh. If Stanford goes independent there is nothing stopping Cal from going independent too. It is not like you need an invite to go independent. Stanford is in the same boat we are in, hopefully we are working together.

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I don't think Cal is capable of going independent. We don't have the money it would take to finance independent status, and from an operational perspective, we can't even get songleaders on the field, let along implement a move to independence.
It's sad, but decades of a leadership void with respect to IA have brought us to this point.

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Christ is gone. Knowlton needs to be canned. We can turn this around overnight like Madsen. Just have to have the will to do it

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We have a year. Can Knowlton and bring in a Cal alum with Pro sports/media experience or outsource the revenue sports to a private Cal alumni run organization that can hire the needed expertise.

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Cal has mismanaged its athletic department for a long time. But the notion that Cal freaking Berkeley - one of the great schools in the country in an amazing location - would get left behind in realignment is unacceptable https://t.co/IhpIo5Vkaj

— Dan Wolken (@DanWolken) August 4, 2023

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The situation is bad, but this seems unnecessarily harsh. If Stanford goes independent there is nothing stopping Cal from going independent too. It is not like you need an invite to go independent. Stanford is in the same boat we are in, hopefully we are working together.

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If Stanford goes independent, I think it helps Cal with the TV networks as they would no longer split the bay area media market.. If the Bay Area metro is 7.75 million people, Cal and Stanford delivers 3.875 each, but Cal alone would be 7.75.

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Cal will end up in a conference, it may not be the B1G, but we will be in one. At that time, I believe the value of Cal to that conference and their TV contract will be more if they are the lone bay area team in that conference compared to splitting it with Stanford. Basically, not having two teams in the same market prevents redundancies.

Apple Tops 1B Total Paid Subscriptions, as Services Revenue Hits All-Time Record https://t.co/X9WF79jEr4

— The Hollywood Reporter (@THR) August 3, 2023

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BearSD said:

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*If* Cal and Stanford are thinking of being football indies, there better be athletic department staffers working full time on this starting now. The 2024 season starts in less than 13 months, and each team would need to schedule 8 new games on short notice.

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The Little Sisters of the Poor have an open date on Labor Day weekend.

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Jokes aside, it can be done if staffers work hard on it. One thing that others have done in the past is to approach two teams scheduled to play each other, and get them both to play Cal instead. If you can do that 3 times, that's 6 of the games you need.

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Double headers would be innovative.

Big Dog said:

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BearSD said:

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*If* Cal and Stanford are thinking of being football indies, there better be athletic department staffers working full time on this starting now. The 2024 season starts in less than 13 months, and each team would need to schedule 8 new games on short notice.

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The Little Sisters of the Poor have an open date on Labor Day weekend.

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Tedford scheduled them the year games were played in a baseball park in S.F.