That guy was suffering. He didn't mince words.bearister said:
I am going to put subtitles on for the post game pressie because I cannot understand a single word of Mike D'Antoni's gibberish.
That guy was suffering. He didn't mince words.bearister said:
I am going to put subtitles on for the post game pressie because I cannot understand a single word of Mike D'Antoni's gibberish.
Yeah, I think everyone made a contribution. An actual return to Strength in Numbers!ducky23 said:
Huge performance from the entire bench. Nearly every single one of them played well (including Livingston!)
I loved that the bench didn't play afraid and stayed aggressive. And maybe bell does deserve a little more PT. He altered at least 2-3 shots, rebounded and ran the floor. If he plays with that type of energy, you can live with a few of his mistakes.
I rewatched and may have to amend that. Harden did make some shots when the game was still within reach, but he also had three bad turnovers (including one on an inbounds pass). Not entirely a disappearance, but also not a good performance down the stretch.sycasey said:GMP said:concordtom said:
Oh my God, the Rockets are ****ing chokers!
I don't agree. The Warriors took that sh-t.
They did, though it was yet another fourth quarter disappearance by Harden (until the game was out of reach).
sycasey said:I rewatched and may have to amend that. Harden did make some shots when the game was still within reach, but he also had three bad turnovers (including one on an inbounds pass). Not entirely a disappearance, but also not a good performance down the stretch.sycasey said:GMP said:concordtom said:
Oh my God, the Rockets are ****ing chokers!
I don't agree. The Warriors took that sh-t.
They did, though it was yet another fourth quarter disappearance by Harden (until the game was out of reach).
I'm ambivalent about which team they play, though I really like what the Nuggets have done and like a lot of their players.ducky23 said:
So do you root for the blazers or nuggets?
I know the dubs dominated the nuggets during the regular season, but I'm still afraid of jokic (especially without boogie). I don't like the prospect of seeing draymond having to guard him for long stretches. I think with jokic and millsap, that's a ton of size for the short handed dubs to contend with.
Lillard is probably the best player on either team, but I think their front court is really weak, especially with nurkic out. I don't see how Kanter is playable for the blazers (considering capela got exposed against the dubs) and Kanter is even a worse perimeter defender. And I don't think the blazers have a small lineup (like the tuck wagon lineup) that can keep up the the Hamptons 5. Plus the blazers can't defend (especially not like Houston).
ducky23 said:
So do you root for the blazers or nuggets?
I know the dubs dominated the nuggets during the regular season, but I'm still afraid of jokic (especially without boogie). I don't like the prospect of seeing draymond having to guard him for long stretches. I think with jokic and millsap, that's a ton of size for the short handed dubs to contend with.
Lillard is probably the best player on either team, but I think their front court is really weak, especially with nurkic out. I don't see how Kanter is playable for the blazers (considering capela got exposed against the dubs) and Kanter is even a worse perimeter defender. And I don't think the blazers have a small lineup (like the tuck wagon lineup) that can keep up the the Hamptons 5. Plus the blazers can't defend (especially not like Houston).
Uh, if not for this unique GS team, HOU is probably on its way to its 2nd straight title.NVGolfingBear said:
I have to question whether D'Antoni's 3 and D system works well enough for a championship. Harden was 11 of 25 last night. What would happen if 2 of those 14 misses were passes that led to baskets? We will never know...but what if?
Wonder if Chris Paul will alter his contract - 34 year old with some 120+ million contract - to create some cap room to fill out the Rockets roster.
Champions play for something else besides money.
NVGolfingBear said:
I have to question whether D'Antoni's 3 and D system works well enough for a championship. Harden was 11 of 25 last night. What would happen if 2 of those 14 misses were passes that led to baskets? We will never know...but what if?
Wonder if Chris Paul will alter his contract - 34 year old with some 120+ million contract - to create some cap room to fill out the Rockets roster.
Champions play for something else besides money.
concordtom said:
The warriors have incredible character.
I love this interview:
sycasey said:
LOL CP3 is so damn petty.
HoopDreams said:
Without KD and his iso ball, warriors reverted to 5 players moving, setting screens, passing to get curry and klay a shot, or to get a basket off a green or curry assist
No bad shots from a role player
They were the Ws first championship team without the depth
Still the bench stepped it up and got it done
Amazing win
I don't have a subscription to The Athletic, but I heard Windhorst's comments about Paul last night.ducky23 said:
Yeah I read that too. Windhorst was reporting on espn that all the players were yelling Chris paul's name last night (with expletives) in the post game locker room celebration. I was wondering why. Now we know. Guy is just such a joke. Way to give your opponent even more energy.
GBear4Life said:I don't have a subscription to The Athletic, but I heard Windhorst's comments about Paul last night.ducky23 said:
Yeah I read that too. Windhorst was reporting on espn that all the players were yelling Chris paul's name last night (with expletives) in the post game locker room celebration. I was wondering why. Now we know. Guy is just such a joke. Way to give your opponent even more energy.
Please share the underlying reason for the CP3 dislike from GS
GBear4Life said:
I think Capela is more valuable to HOU than Ariza
GBear4Life said:
..Please share the underlying reason for the CP3 dislike from GS
It definitely goes back to the Lob City Clippers, when they and the Warriors were the top contenders in the same division. They beat the Dubs in a 7-game playoff series back in 2014 (the year before GSW started dominating). Familiarity breeds contempt.GBear4Life said:
Please share the underlying reason for the CP3 dislike from GS
GBear4Life said:Uh, if not for this unique GS team, HOU is probably on its way to its 2nd straight title.NVGolfingBear said:
I have to question whether D'Antoni's 3 and D system works well enough for a championship. Harden was 11 of 25 last night. What would happen if 2 of those 14 misses were passes that led to baskets? We will never know...but what if?
Wonder if Chris Paul will alter his contract - 34 year old with some 120+ million contract - to create some cap room to fill out the Rockets roster.
Champions play for something else besides money.
I dunno. I don't really think it's about systems, it's about talent. And the scores were so close that something small could've turned the series their way.ducky23 said:I respectfully disagree. To beat a fully healthy warriors team, I think the rockets may have the only system that can beat them (unless you have a team with close to as much talent - maybe the bucks have that team - doubt it though). If you don't have similar talent, you have to game the system somehow.NVGolfingBear said:
I have to question whether D'Antoni's 3 and D system works well enough for a championship. Harden was 11 of 25 last night. What would happen if 2 of those 14 misses were passes that led to baskets? We will never know...but what if?
Wonder if Chris Paul will alter his contract - 34 year old with some 120+ million contract - to create some cap room to fill out the Rockets roster.
Champions play for something else besides money.
First, their defensive strategy is ideal. Having a bunch of similar sized middle linebackers (and this is the key), who can switch off ball screens, is the only way I see to slow down the dubs offense. You can't just let steph and klay run around off ball screens, that's death. So switching everything forces the dubs into iso ball and that's where the dubs get less efficient. Only reason Houston failed last night is because their defensive effort and focus was subpar compared to previous efforts.
On offense, playing a slowed down tempo iso ball is ideal cause you limit turnovers, limit possessions, prevent the dubs from getting into transition, and basically muck up the game. The only things I'd change with their offense is that it needs a little more flexibility, because in key moments, their offense is too predictable. Their penchant to try to draw fouls is also a stupid way to play once playoffs start.
I think Houston could've done it, but the one fatal mistake was signing capela and not ariza. That one move could've been the difference in an extremely tight series.
I truly believe that unless you have an all-star center who can dominate the game, traditional centers are not playable against the dubs in the playoffs since the dubs play small so often.
Yogi Bear said:I dunno. I don't really think it's about systems, it's about talent. And the scores were so close that something small could've turned the series their way.ducky23 said:I respectfully disagree. To beat a fully healthy warriors team, I think the rockets may have the only system that can beat them (unless you have a team with close to as much talent - maybe the bucks have that team - doubt it though). If you don't have similar talent, you have to game the system somehow.NVGolfingBear said:
I have to question whether D'Antoni's 3 and D system works well enough for a championship. Harden was 11 of 25 last night. What would happen if 2 of those 14 misses were passes that led to baskets? We will never know...but what if?
Wonder if Chris Paul will alter his contract - 34 year old with some 120+ million contract - to create some cap room to fill out the Rockets roster.
Champions play for something else besides money.
First, their defensive strategy is ideal. Having a bunch of similar sized middle linebackers (and this is the key), who can switch off ball screens, is the only way I see to slow down the dubs offense. You can't just let steph and klay run around off ball screens, that's death. So switching everything forces the dubs into iso ball and that's where the dubs get less efficient. Only reason Houston failed last night is because their defensive effort and focus was subpar compared to previous efforts.
On offense, playing a slowed down tempo iso ball is ideal cause you limit turnovers, limit possessions, prevent the dubs from getting into transition, and basically muck up the game. The only things I'd change with their offense is that it needs a little more flexibility, because in key moments, their offense is too predictable. Their penchant to try to draw fouls is also a stupid way to play once playoffs start.
I think Houston could've done it, but the one fatal mistake was signing capela and not ariza. That one move could've been the difference in an extremely tight series.
I truly believe that unless you have an all-star center who can dominate the game, traditional centers are not playable against the dubs in the playoffs since the dubs play small so often.
I personally think the Warriors' defensive plan vs. Houston is silly. I would never allow them to dictate who guards Harden. I would play old school defense, fight over the screen, and funnel Harden towards my big man if he tried to go to the rim. He's not such a good percentage shooter on 3's that I'm worried about him getting that little window to shoot an open 3.
I'm personally a Capela fan and never been a big Ariza fan. Ariza misses too many shots and while he's a good defender, he's not so good that it makes up for his poor shooting. I personally am a Capela fan. He gets better every year and he's young. Defends, rebounds, finishes at a very high percentage.
Most of the time in the NBA, championships come down to who has the best player in the league. I know Harden has an MVP in his back pocket, but when they talk about who the best player in the league is (as opposed to who wins the award), nobody ever says Harden. Often, they've said Lebron and a lot of times they've been right, but those days might be over. The Warriors have had several years with two MVP level players and that's something no other team in the league can match.
I think the Bucks have a good chance to beat the Warriors. They do everything about as well as the Warriors and they have a guy who is in the conversation as the best player in the league and probably the hardest guy to guard in the game.
I don't believe in plus/minus in small samples.ducky23 said:Ok I'll say it again.Yogi Bear said:I dunno. I don't really think it's about systems, it's about talent. And the scores were so close that something small could've turned the series their way.ducky23 said:I respectfully disagree. To beat a fully healthy warriors team, I think the rockets may have the only system that can beat them (unless you have a team with close to as much talent - maybe the bucks have that team - doubt it though). If you don't have similar talent, you have to game the system somehow.NVGolfingBear said:
I have to question whether D'Antoni's 3 and D system works well enough for a championship. Harden was 11 of 25 last night. What would happen if 2 of those 14 misses were passes that led to baskets? We will never know...but what if?
Wonder if Chris Paul will alter his contract - 34 year old with some 120+ million contract - to create some cap room to fill out the Rockets roster.
Champions play for something else besides money.
First, their defensive strategy is ideal. Having a bunch of similar sized middle linebackers (and this is the key), who can switch off ball screens, is the only way I see to slow down the dubs offense. You can't just let steph and klay run around off ball screens, that's death. So switching everything forces the dubs into iso ball and that's where the dubs get less efficient. Only reason Houston failed last night is because their defensive effort and focus was subpar compared to previous efforts.
On offense, playing a slowed down tempo iso ball is ideal cause you limit turnovers, limit possessions, prevent the dubs from getting into transition, and basically muck up the game. The only things I'd change with their offense is that it needs a little more flexibility, because in key moments, their offense is too predictable. Their penchant to try to draw fouls is also a stupid way to play once playoffs start.
I think Houston could've done it, but the one fatal mistake was signing capela and not ariza. That one move could've been the difference in an extremely tight series.
I truly believe that unless you have an all-star center who can dominate the game, traditional centers are not playable against the dubs in the playoffs since the dubs play small so often.
I personally think the Warriors' defensive plan vs. Houston is silly. I would never allow them to dictate who guards Harden. I would play old school defense, fight over the screen, and funnel Harden towards my big man if he tried to go to the rim. He's not such a good percentage shooter on 3's that I'm worried about him getting that little window to shoot an open 3.
I'm personally a Capela fan and never been a big Ariza fan. Ariza misses too many shots and while he's a good defender, he's not so good that it makes up for his poor shooting. I personally am a Capela fan. He gets better every year and he's young. Defends, rebounds, finishes at a very high percentage.
Most of the time in the NBA, championships come down to who has the best player in the league. I know Harden has an MVP in his back pocket, but when they talk about who the best player in the league is (as opposed to who wins the award), nobody ever says Harden. Often, they've said Lebron and a lot of times they've been right, but those days might be over. The Warriors have had several years with two MVP level players and that's something no other team in the league can match.
I think the Bucks have a good chance to beat the Warriors. They do everything about as well as the Warriors and they have a guy who is in the conversation as the best player in the league and probably the hardest guy to guard in the game.
Capela had the worst plus/minus of ANY player on either team this series with a -47. The next worse player was a -25.
Houston's net rating while he was on the floor was an astronomical -15.2. Again worst of any player.
- The clippers starting center averaged 20mins a game with the clips during the regular season. During the last three games against the dubs, he played a total of two mins.
- capela, by any reliable metric, was the worst player on the court in the series
- if the dubs play the blazers, Kanter will become unplayable.
The playoffs is not the regular season. You play against the same team over and over. You gameplan for the same team day after day. If any team has a defensive weakness it will be exploited exhaustively.
There is no better lineup that can exploit a weakness than the Hampton's 5. The only way a true center can play against that lineup is if the center is all-star caliber or he has an uncanny ability to defend the perimeter.
IMHO if you are building a team with the sole purpose of beating the warriors, you put together a bunch of long 6-7 dudes who can switch everything.
One of my friends agrees with you as to how boring Houston is to watch He went to a few Clippers games at a Oracle but refused to pay what they wanted to watch Houston.NVGolfingBear said:
"-Houston's up seven and Green takes and misses the next two shots, and then turns the ball over. Why is Gerald Green doing anything at this point, much less having the ball in his hands three straight possessions?"
Somewhat facetiously, I will say because Houston was running an iso for either Paul or Harden with the other 4 players literally standing still, I mean standing STILL!
If one wants to run the same play over and over and over... the Warriors are going to figure out how to best play it, maybe not stop it, but force that one or two misses they need to, I don't know, maybe win by one or two baskets, duh.
Houston basketball is so boring to me that I tracked the game and then watched the last 3 minutes live. I don't think the Rockets will ever beat the W's (okay, the woofing Gods have noticed this comment) with their current lineup. They are getting older and until I see Paul renegotiate his contract to free up some cap room, especially considering he is 34+, I don't think they can't fill out a decent bench.