https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/twitter-offices-closed-1.6655881

"Twitter, which has lost many of its communication team members, did not respond to a request for comment."

Sooo I’m told by two people that the entirety of Twitters payroll department has resigned/not elected to sign up for Elons Twitter 2.0

— Kali Hays (@HaysKali) November 18, 2022

Um. Twitter's InfoSec team is almost entirely gone, two people tell me, either laid off three weeks ago or today refused to sign up for Elon's Twitter 2.0 ultimatum. Most of the leadership team CISO, CPO, CCO, resigned last week. Not a good thing for user and data privacy.

— Kali Hays (@HaysKali) November 18, 2022

Right now Twitter is like the Death Watch Hottie Thread but without the hotties

Wow. This is a shocking.
I took your idea and went to find some "hot" Twitter employees.
I googled "Twitter hotties" and chuckled when I found these two images.

As a moderator for @LilHottiesNFT for now over a month. I’d like to give back to the community and give this one Lil Hottie away!

Follow @Txmti_Eth
Like, retweet and tag 3!

Winner will be picked in 24 hours! Good luck 🎈 #LilHottiesFam #HOTTIES #Giveaways pic.twitter.com/3efaJtoRX1

— Txmti.eth (@Txmti_Eth) November 18, 2022

I would not say no to this #milf!! #pokies #hotties #moms pic.twitter.com/UJDiuYtDdZ

— Hot & Sexy Girls (@hottest_bodies_) November 10, 2022

Unfortunately, the search term hotties also brings up a ton of xxx porn on Twitter, as the next several posts were of two muscle men having anal sex, then women getting plowed.

I once before came along porn on Twitter and as it is designed as a public communication forum rather than a porn hub, I flagged the offensive post to have it removed. I had to indicate why I was flagging it. Some days later, I got a response thanking me.

Just now, when I went to flag, the questions seemed different, as if I might not be able to alert anyone. Now, I'm not sure, but I'm gonna guess that Elon is in the process of creating the world's biggest porn website.

You know, I used to work in online brokerage in the 90's, at its birth. And we were told that porn was the #1 industry in online commerce. Stock trading was #2.

So, maybe Elon is simply going to outsmart everyone again.

But I say, #BanTwitter!!

"Not that there's anything wrong with it", but I don't want to see grown men having sex. That was, frankly, something I'd never seen before. Great job, Elon!

Employees who stay… I wonder how Elon is going to hold them to account for their commitment to work 3x as hard.

I wonder who among those that left have signed any non compete clauses.

How long until Twitter is replaced by something else, something very similar?

I'd say, his new toy is ruined.



If Twitter had a multi-billion dollar valuation, you think spurned employees can't gather and rebuild it, with THEM getting the equity shares? Come on, now…

I'm ready for the stampede. What are we going to call it?
Flitter…. I see that while the definition is:

To move swiftly and lightly.
"small birds flitted about in the branches"

And in Scotland, to flit means to move houses

These are both good, but also, in urban dictionary, as in Catcher in the Rye, a flit is a homosexual man.

Damn, not that there's anything wrong with that, but why do I keep bumping up at it this morning?!?!

Name game 2…

TownHall. Very staid. Users are "criers".
Hmmmm.

Come one, people. What suggestions do you have?



……Here's a story about someone thinking along these lines, building "T2".

https://techcrunch.com/2022/11/09/google-and-twitter-veteran-maps-out-a-twitter-alternative/amp/

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Musk wants to change the culture at Twitter, and reinstill a tech culture there. The best coders and engineers are driven workaholics. What someone wrote a few posts above about workaholics generally being inefficient and promoting a toxic workspace is largely true in managerial positions, but it isn`t true among technical staff. The best of these have virtually no life outside their work, and that`s perfectly alright with them.

As well, among this tech culture, there are far more workers who don`t like being constrained by a pervasive woke culture than people who are liberal zealots. There are a lot more James Damores (guy who was fired from Google for writing a long memo on gender dynamics in the tech workplace) in the top engineering circles than Yao Yues (woman who was recently fired from Twitter), so Twitter will be a magnet for the former types.

The other issue is that many big tech companies, especially those that are public content-driven spaces like Twitter, FB or Reddit have become excessively politicized, stifling and distorting free speech with bots, dynamic bans and algorithm manipulation. The political culture that has been enshrined into Twitter is hostile to someone like Musk who is more of a freethinking independent, so what we`re seeing now is him turning Twitter into a culture that is more like that of a normal, less politicized tech-driven startup from the 90s or 00s.

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Couple of things you are missing. If you are a workaholics, top tier coder, why work at an oppressive culture at Twitter as opposed to overworking at Google? It isn't as if Twitter is some amazing platform or amazing coding opportunity.

Any do you think Twitter, FB or Reddit became politicized because of the leaders or because of the demands of the work force and investors?

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What do you think constitutes an oppressive work environment is for a top coder? It`s overbearing HR commissars, passive aggressive managers who get on their case over language, or having to sit through sensitivity training seminars as a result of some perceived microaggression by a zoomer project mgr or assistant. Most coders identify a lot more with Musk than Vijaya Gadde or any of the Twitter mgrs who got fired.

The main reason Twitter, FB etc became politicized is because they are dominated by non-technical people from the Bay Area, who tend to be very liberal. These organizations have morphed from a culture of tech startups into something that is more like that of a liberal NGO.

Also, there has been a huge influx into the industry of liberal arts grad types who have gone to coding camps or night school to take advantage of high salaries. A few years ago I was building an app and looked to hire product mgrs, there were 24yo kids from NYU or Brown with BAs and a 6-mo coding camp who were asking for $125K, they had none of the fundamental technical skills to do the job and knew less about computer science than a 16yo future CS student. These workers tend to be excessively politicized, have a very high sense of entitlement and a relatively poor work ethic, whereas the culture at CS/engineering depts in academia is completely different - male-dominated, nose to the grindstone and not very politicized; not much of a life outside of work.

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Just curious, how many coders at twitter have you spoken to? Because what you are saying is pretty much the opposite of what I'm hearing.

I've talked to a bunch and yet to hear a single person say that they were excited for Musk to take over the company (or that they knew of any other coder who was excited). People are specifically running for the doors because of what Elno is doing. My tiny company has already hired a few and is in talks with others and we hear the same thing over and over. Elno is toxic to Twitter's engineering culture.

You make baseless statements about coders not identifying with Gadde or other managers but you ignore that Musk is making engineers self-certify to FTC compliance and won't let people work from home (which was extremely popular among the developers).

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What was your major at Cal, PEIS, Poli Sci? I am a graduate of the College of Engineering.

My first job out of college was programmer/analyst. I worked with several tech startups since, including one with the inventors of bit torrent technology, content delivery and storage solutions that ended up laying the foundation for the cloud structure.

My main circle of alumni friends with whom we chat almost every day are almost all in tech, group of almost all Cal alum guys including:
two CPOs (heads of product dvpt)
a math grad in BI/AI,
a network engineer,
a founder/CEO of a software service co with a staff of 500+ people,
etc

The group is having a ball watching the purge at Twitter and the meltdown at FTX. Some of these guys, as typical of maths or physics grads at top schools, are a little bit eccentric, and really dislike the recent cultural changes in corporate America and in the industry, mainly the influx in the industry of a lot of people with non tech backgrounds and questionable skills due to the rise in workforce demand, and the rise in woke culture, with non-tech mgmt and HR types butting into their work.

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You really think the majority of Twitter employees relate to Elon and are upset with "woke culture"?

Idk when you graduated but you are clearly not connected to the main workforce. It's not rocket science, it's a tech company in SF whose workforce is largely people in their 20s, 30s, 40s.

Does their political donation record look like a company whose employees are fed up with "woke culture" and identify with musk?
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/twitter/totals?id=D000067113

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You really think the majority of Twitter employees relate to Elon and are upset with "woke culture"?

Idk when you graduated but you are clearly not connected to the main workforce. It's not rocket science, it's a tech company in SF whose workforce is largely people in their 20s, 30s, 40s.

Does their political donation record look like a company whose employees are fed up with "woke culture" and identify with musk?
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/twitter/totals?id=D000067113

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People with technical backgrounds in the industry tend to be apolitical, or lean libertarian, and are mostly white or Asian males. There are not many Dem donors in that group. I would guess that the majority of these donors are from the managerial ranks, which make up a sizable percentage of Twitter's 7,500 workforce.

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Musk wants to change the culture at Twitter, and reinstill a tech culture there. The best coders and engineers are driven workaholics. What someone wrote a few posts above about workaholics generally being inefficient and promoting a toxic workspace is largely true in managerial positions, but it isn`t true among technical staff. The best of these have virtually no life outside their work, and that`s perfectly alright with them.

As well, among this tech culture, there are far more workers who don`t like being constrained by a pervasive woke culture than people who are liberal zealots. There are a lot more James Damores (guy who was fired from Google for writing a long memo on gender dynamics in the tech workplace) in the top engineering circles than Yao Yues (woman who was recently fired from Twitter), so Twitter will be a magnet for the former types.

The other issue is that many big tech companies, especially those that are public content-driven spaces like Twitter, FB or Reddit have become excessively politicized, stifling and distorting free speech with bots, dynamic bans and algorithm manipulation. The political culture that has been enshrined into Twitter is hostile to someone like Musk who is more of a freethinking independent, so what we`re seeing now is him turning Twitter into a culture that is more like that of a normal, less politicized tech-driven startup from the 90s or 00s.

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Couple of things you are missing. If you are a workaholics, top tier coder, why work at an oppressive culture at Twitter as opposed to overworking at Google? It isn't as if Twitter is some amazing platform or amazing coding opportunity.

Any do you think Twitter, FB or Reddit became politicized because of the leaders or because of the demands of the work force and investors?

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What do you think constitutes an oppressive work environment is for a top coder? It`s overbearing HR commissars, passive aggressive managers who get on their case over language, or having to sit through sensitivity training seminars as a result of some perceived microaggression by a zoomer project mgr or assistant. Most coders identify a lot more with Musk than Vijaya Gadde or any of the Twitter mgrs who got fired.

The main reason Twitter, FB etc became politicized is because they are dominated by non-technical people from the Bay Area, who tend to be very liberal. These organizations have morphed from a culture of tech startups into something that is more like that of a liberal NGO.

Also, there has been a huge influx into the industry of liberal arts grad types who have gone to coding camps or night school to take advantage of high salaries. A few years ago I was building an app and looked to hire product mgrs, there were 24yo kids from NYU or Brown with BAs and a 6-mo coding camp who were asking for $125K, they had none of the fundamental technical skills to do the job and knew less about computer science than a 16yo future CS student. These workers tend to be excessively politicized, have a very high sense of entitlement and a relatively poor work ethic, whereas the culture at CS/engineering depts in academia is completely different - male-dominated, nose to the grindstone and not very politicized; not much of a life outside of work.

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Just curious, how many coders at twitter have you spoken to? Because what you are saying is pretty much the opposite of what I'm hearing.

I've talked to a bunch and yet to hear a single person say that they were excited for Musk to take over the company (or that they knew of any other coder who was excited). People are specifically running for the doors because of what Elno is doing. My tiny company has already hired a few and is in talks with others and we hear the same thing over and over. Elno is toxic to Twitter's engineering culture.

You make baseless statements about coders not identifying with Gadde or other managers but you ignore that Musk is making engineers self-certify to FTC compliance and won't let people work from home (which was extremely popular among the developers).

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What was your major at Cal, PEIS, Poli Sci? I am a graduate of the College of Engineering.

My first job out of college was programmer/analyst. I worked with several tech startups since, including one with the inventors of bit torrent technology, content delivery and storage solutions that ended up laying the foundation for the cloud structure.

My main circle of alumni friends with whom we chat almost every day are almost all in tech, group of almost all Cal alum guys including:
two CPOs (heads of product dvpt)
a math grad in BI/AI,
a network engineer,
a founder/CEO of a software service co with a staff of 500+ people,
etc

The group is having a ball watching the purge at Twitter and the meltdown at FTX. Some of these guys, as typical of maths or physics grads at top schools, are a little bit eccentric, and really dislike the recent cultural changes in corporate America and in the industry, mainly the influx in the industry of a lot of people with non tech backgrounds and questionable skills due to the rise in workforce demand, and the rise in woke culture, with non-tech mgmt and HR types butting into their work.

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Lol, we never had any doubt that you are informed by your echo chamber of anti woke white men. They should go work for Elno so they can all fail together.

This also confirms you don't know anyone at Twitter and don't understand what's going on there.

As for credentials, I graduated with honors in EEC:S (Tau Beta Pi as well) and I was a TA my last 2 years at Cal and took a number of graduate courses in CS as well.

As I've stated again and again, my team includes a number of recent hires (all devs) from Twitter who have been recruiting their colleagues heavily. I am no longer a professional software developer, but I continue to work closely with them and understand the industry.

You continue to make baseless claims about what's going on there meanwhile article after article confirm what I've been telling y'all. It's not too hard for people in this thread to see that you are making stuff up and I'm not.

See here from yesterday (all after I made my posts):
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/17/tech/twitter-employees-ultimatum-deadline/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/17/media/twitter-exodus-reliable-sources/index.html

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The group is having a ball watching the purge at Twitter and the meltdown at FTX.

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Feel free to explain how being "non-tech" lead to the demise of FTX when it had absolutely nothing to do with it.

Or are you going to tell me that "techies" have much higher ethics and integrity and would have never used segregated customer accounts at a brokerage firm to finance a hedge-fund?

You would guess wrong. You're making huge assumptions with absolutely no proof besides your group chat with nobody at Twitter.

You seriously believe eng aren't making *any* political donations? The disparity in donations is massive:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/02/most-liberal-tech-companies-ranked-by-employee-donations.html

Btw, most tech companies have eng manage eng... The majority of the managerial ranks *are* technical...

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The group is having a ball watching the purge at Twitter and the meltdown at FTX.

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Feel free to explain how being "non-tech" lead to the demise of FTX when it had absolutely nothing to do with it.

Or are you going to tell me that "techies" have much higher ethics and integrity and would have never used segregated customer accounts at a brokerage firm to finance a hedge-fund?

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Never said that about FTX, the interest there boils down to rubbernecking at the almost comical nature of that affair, akin to a Gervais sitcom, it's a funnier version of the "Silicon Valley" miniseries.

Let's assume (I don't necessarily agree with this assumption) all this is Elon is changing the culture and imposing cost cuts to what has been an historically unprofitable company that underperforms. He is taking a sledgehammer approach, rather than using a scapel, in a way that is alienating users and ad customers.

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You would guess wrong. You're making huge assumptions with absolutely no proof besides your group chat with nobody at Twitter.

You seriously believe eng aren't making *any* political donations? The disparity in donations is massive:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/02/most-liberal-tech-companies-ranked-by-employee-donations.html

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What you really need to consider here is what percentage of employees at these corporations are donors, and within this small subgroup, what backgrounds are those donors from. In HR or marketing for example, which are typically more feminine and much more leftist than engineering or technical depts.

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There is some difference in the outlook of say, a senior developer ,vs that of a person with a technical background who goes into management.

Also within tech certain corporations have become heavily politicized overall, especially those like Netflix that are focused on content creation, vs a Qualcomm which is focused on engineering. You're going to have a hard time fitting in at Netflix as an engineer if you're not on the same wavelength.

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Musk wants to change the culture at Twitter, and reinstill a tech culture there. The best coders and engineers are driven workaholics. What someone wrote a few posts above about workaholics generally being inefficient and promoting a toxic workspace is largely true in managerial positions, but it isn`t true among technical staff. The best of these have virtually no life outside their work, and that`s perfectly alright with them.

As well, among this tech culture, there are far more workers who don`t like being constrained by a pervasive woke culture than people who are liberal zealots. There are a lot more James Damores (guy who was fired from Google for writing a long memo on gender dynamics in the tech workplace) in the top engineering circles than Yao Yues (woman who was recently fired from Twitter), so Twitter will be a magnet for the former types.

The other issue is that many big tech companies, especially those that are public content-driven spaces like Twitter, FB or Reddit have become excessively politicized, stifling and distorting free speech with bots, dynamic bans and algorithm manipulation. The political culture that has been enshrined into Twitter is hostile to someone like Musk who is more of a freethinking independent, so what we`re seeing now is him turning Twitter into a culture that is more like that of a normal, less politicized tech-driven startup from the 90s or 00s.

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Couple of things you are missing. If you are a workaholics, top tier coder, why work at an oppressive culture at Twitter as opposed to overworking at Google? It isn't as if Twitter is some amazing platform or amazing coding opportunity.

Any do you think Twitter, FB or Reddit became politicized because of the leaders or because of the demands of the work force and investors?

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What do you think constitutes an oppressive work environment is for a top coder? It`s overbearing HR commissars, passive aggressive managers who get on their case over language, or having to sit through sensitivity training seminars as a result of some perceived microaggression by a zoomer project mgr or assistant. Most coders identify a lot more with Musk than Vijaya Gadde or any of the Twitter mgrs who got fired.

The main reason Twitter, FB etc became politicized is because they are dominated by non-technical people from the Bay Area, who tend to be very liberal. These organizations have morphed from a culture of tech startups into something that is more like that of a liberal NGO.

Also, there has been a huge influx into the industry of liberal arts grad types who have gone to coding camps or night school to take advantage of high salaries. A few years ago I was building an app and looked to hire product mgrs, there were 24yo kids from NYU or Brown with BAs and a 6-mo coding camp who were asking for $125K, they had none of the fundamental technical skills to do the job and knew less about computer science than a 16yo future CS student. These workers tend to be excessively politicized, have a very high sense of entitlement and a relatively poor work ethic, whereas the culture at CS/engineering depts in academia is completely different - male-dominated, nose to the grindstone and not very politicized; not much of a life outside of work.

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Just curious, how many coders at twitter have you spoken to? Because what you are saying is pretty much the opposite of what I'm hearing.

I've talked to a bunch and yet to hear a single person say that they were excited for Musk to take over the company (or that they knew of any other coder who was excited). People are specifically running for the doors because of what Elno is doing. My tiny company has already hired a few and is in talks with others and we hear the same thing over and over. Elno is toxic to Twitter's engineering culture.

You make baseless statements about coders not identifying with Gadde or other managers but you ignore that Musk is making engineers self-certify to FTC compliance and won't let people work from home (which was extremely popular among the developers).

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What was your major at Cal, PEIS, Poli Sci? I am a graduate of the College of Engineering.

My first job out of college was programmer/analyst. I worked with several tech startups since, including one with the inventors of bit torrent technology, content delivery and storage solutions that ended up laying the foundation for the cloud structure.

My main circle of alumni friends with whom we chat almost every day are almost all in tech, group of almost all Cal alum guys including:
two CPOs (heads of product dvpt)
a math grad in BI/AI,
a network engineer,
a founder/CEO of a software service co with a staff of 500+ people,
etc

The group is having a ball watching the purge at Twitter and the meltdown at FTX. Some of these guys, as typical of maths or physics grads at top schools, are a little bit eccentric, and really dislike the recent cultural changes in corporate America and in the industry, mainly the influx in the industry of a lot of people with non tech backgrounds and questionable skills due to the rise in workforce demand, and the rise in woke culture, with non-tech mgmt and HR types butting into their work.

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Lol, we never had any doubt that you are informed by your echo chamber of anti woke white men. They should go work for Elno so they can all fail together.

This also confirms you don't know anyone at Twitter and don't understand what's going on there.

As for credentials, I graduated with honors in EEC:S (Tau Beta Pi as well) and I was a TA my last 2 years at Cal and took a number of graduate courses in CS as well.

As I've stated again and again, my team includes a number of recent hires (all devs) from Twitter who have been recruiting their colleagues heavily. I am no longer a professional software developer, but I continue to work closely with them and understand the industry.

You continue to make baseless claims about what's going on there meanwhile article after article confirm what I've been telling y'all. It's not too hard for people in this thread to see that you are making stuff up and I'm not.

See here from yesterday (all after I made my posts):
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/17/tech/twitter-employees-ultimatum-deadline/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/17/media/twitter-exodus-reliable-sources/index.html

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You're basically in a bigger echo chamber, one which includes CNN reporters like the ones you are quoting here as your source for what's happening at Twitter, reporters who are in the midst of Elon derangement syndrome (EDS), which seems to have replaced TDS.


https://www.cnn.com/profiles/clare-duffy

Portland U. and Cplumbia graduate, here is her latest twitter post/retweet:

To give you an idea of where Musk’s ego is at, overnight he liked tweets nonsensically saying that Twitter saved Earth from WW3, an incoherent thread about how his control over Twitter is crucial to defeat climate change, and one implicitly comparing him to Caravaggio pic.twitter.com/uwuCMZuOx0

— Michael Ballaban (@Ballaban) November 18, 2022

https://www.cnn.com/profiles/oliver-darcy

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Darcy's award-winning reporting focuses largely on right-wing media and the role it plays in politics writ large. He also regularly covers misinformation and conspiracy theories and how both have thrived in the Trump-era.

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Musk's main problem is not dealing with an alleged exodus of talented tech workers, most of the people being purged are deadweight. It is a much bigger challenge, that of taking on the cultural and political establishment that hates the fact that their favorite platform is no longer their highly regulated and regimented playground and echo chamber.

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Musk's main problem is not dealing with an alleged exodus of talented tech workers, most of the people being purged are deadweight. It is a much bigger challenge, that of taking on the cultural and political establishment that hates the fact that their favorite platform is no longer their highly regulated and regimented playground and echo chamber.

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Yeah, it's doing real well right now.
Because you know, before, it was HIGHLY REGULATED.
That was THE problem.

Yup.
Lot's of "dead" wood being cut from Twitter.
The Sledgehammer approach seems to be working quite well.

The number of engineers tending to multiple critical systems had been reduced to two, one or even zero, according to people familiar with the situation who spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of retaliation.

Hundreds said to have opted to leave Twitter over Musk ultimatum (yahoo.com)

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This is hilarious, like a lot of great humor, it cuts pretty close to the bone.

Perhaps the endgame here is to charge corporate accounts high fees for posting, which sounds like a good application of third degree price discrimination mktg principles.

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Let's assume (I don't necessarily agree with this assumption) all this is Elon is changing the culture and imposing cost cuts to what has been an historically unprofitable company that underperforms. He is taking a sledgehammer approach, rather than using a scapel, in a way that is alienating users and ad customers.

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I guess I should have added and alienating investors, by making indiscriminate job cuts .

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Let's assume (I don't necessarily agree with this assumption) all this is Elon is changing the culture and imposing cost cuts to what has been an historically unprofitable company that underperforms. He is taking a sledgehammer approach, rather than using a scapel, in a way that is alienating users and ad customers.

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I guess I should have added and alienating investors, by making indiscriminate job cuts .

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That would be the first time in history that investors have been turned off by an aggressive layoff policy.

pic.twitter.com/NrOJqQa3V3

— Jason Jones (@jonesville) November 18, 2022

I'm on record that Facebook has a good chance someday of going the route of MySpace.

I could actually make the same (similar) case for Twitter.

If I was a TSLA shareholder, I'd be pretty pissed off.

musk's basic problem is that twitter was not being run by lefty sjw types surpressing free speech, it was being run by business people who were trying to make money. with the same aim he'll end up trial-and-erroring his way back to their exact policies

— Shaun (@shaun_vids) November 8, 2022

New Twitter policy is freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach.

Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted & demonetized, so no ads or other revenue to Twitter.

You won’t find the tweet unless you specifically seek it out, which is no different from rest of Internet.

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 18, 2022

lol this is exactly how it worked before. this is shadowbanning. this is what all of those guys you bought the site for were whining about. you destroyed the website and the main policies you wanted to change are exactly the same as they were. you are history's greatest dumbass. https://t.co/y59maXC4rD

— halving son's insulin to afford checkmark (@AaronCampeau) November 18, 2022

Lol. So the first order of business on content moderation... Shadow banning. One of the things that his fans insisted Elon would get rid of... https://t.co/u7RN9kpjCF

— Mike Masnick (@mmasnick) November 18, 2022

FACT CHECK: This is a very old trope that Zuckerberg and many others used years ago but whatever. It’s largely meaningless. Also hate tweets have ALWAYS been downranked in Twitter and who decides what a negative tweet is? Three guesses and the first two don’t count. https://t.co/viOPeD9F8b

— Kara Swisher (@karaswisher) November 18, 2022

Musk just reinstated the Babylon Bee:

We're back. Let that sink in.

— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) November 18, 2022

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Musk just reinstated the Babylon Bee:

We're back. Let that sink in.

— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) November 18, 2022

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Let the hilarity ensue.

One Twitter worker trying to quit spent two days looking for her manager, whose identity she no longer knew because so many people had quit. After finally finding her supervisor, she tendered her resignation. The next day, her supervisor also quit. https://t.co/1JakWs1O1g

— The New York Times (@nytimes) November 18, 2022

Same thing happened at FTX this past week, where people high up in management tried tendering their resignation to their boss(s) who had already quit.

lol

Can you imagine working at FTX and drinking the "Kool-Aid"?

Having your paycheck going direct deposit into your FTX account?

Using your earnings to purchase FTX tokens at a 50% employee discount?

Oh man.
These people must be suicidal.

At least the one's who didnt have the opportunity to buy homes in THEIR NAME in the Bahamas with FTX "expense" money.

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Can you imagine working at FTX and drinking the "Kool-Aid"?

Having your paycheck going direct deposit into your FTX account?

Using your earnings to purchase FTX tokens at a 50% employee discount?

Oh man.
These people must be suicidal.

At least the one's who didnt have the opportunity to buy homes in THEIR NAME in the Bahamas with FTX "expense" money.

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calbear93 said:

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Cal88 said:

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Musk wants to change the culture at Twitter, and reinstill a tech culture there. The best coders and engineers are driven workaholics. What someone wrote a few posts above about workaholics generally being inefficient and promoting a toxic workspace is largely true in managerial positions, but it isn`t true among technical staff. The best of these have virtually no life outside their work, and that`s perfectly alright with them.

As well, among this tech culture, there are far more workers who don`t like being constrained by a pervasive woke culture than people who are liberal zealots. There are a lot more James Damores (guy who was fired from Google for writing a long memo on gender dynamics in the tech workplace) in the top engineering circles than Yao Yues (woman who was recently fired from Twitter), so Twitter will be a magnet for the former types.

The other issue is that many big tech companies, especially those that are public content-driven spaces like Twitter, FB or Reddit have become excessively politicized, stifling and distorting free speech with bots, dynamic bans and algorithm manipulation. The political culture that has been enshrined into Twitter is hostile to someone like Musk who is more of a freethinking independent, so what we`re seeing now is him turning Twitter into a culture that is more like that of a normal, less politicized tech-driven startup from the 90s or 00s.

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Couple of things you are missing. If you are a workaholics, top tier coder, why work at an oppressive culture at Twitter as opposed to overworking at Google? It isn't as if Twitter is some amazing platform or amazing coding opportunity.

Any do you think Twitter, FB or Reddit became politicized because of the leaders or because of the demands of the work force and investors?

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What do you think constitutes an oppressive work environment is for a top coder? It`s overbearing HR commissars, passive aggressive managers who get on their case over language, or having to sit through sensitivity training seminars as a result of some perceived microaggression by a zoomer project mgr or assistant. Most coders identify a lot more with Musk than Vijaya Gadde or any of the Twitter mgrs who got fired.

The main reason Twitter, FB etc became politicized is because they are dominated by non-technical people from the Bay Area, who tend to be very liberal. These organizations have morphed from a culture of tech startups into something that is more like that of a liberal NGO.

Also, there has been a huge influx into the industry of liberal arts grad types who have gone to coding camps or night school to take advantage of high salaries. A few years ago I was building an app and looked to hire product mgrs, there were 24yo kids from NYU or Brown with BAs and a 6-mo coding camp who were asking for $125K, they had none of the fundamental technical skills to do the job and knew less about computer science than a 16yo future CS student. These workers tend to be excessively politicized, have a very high sense of entitlement and a relatively poor work ethic, whereas the culture at CS/engineering depts in academia is completely different - male-dominated, nose to the grindstone and not very politicized; not much of a life outside of work.

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Just curious, how many coders at twitter have you spoken to? Because what you are saying is pretty much the opposite of what I'm hearing.

I've talked to a bunch and yet to hear a single person say that they were excited for Musk to take over the company (or that they knew of any other coder who was excited). People are specifically running for the doors because of what Elno is doing. My tiny company has already hired a few and is in talks with others and we hear the same thing over and over. Elno is toxic to Twitter's engineering culture.

You make baseless statements about coders not identifying with Gadde or other managers but you ignore that Musk is making engineers self-certify to FTC compliance and won't let people work from home (which was extremely popular among the developers).

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What was your major at Cal, PEIS, Poli Sci? I am a graduate of the College of Engineering.

My first job out of college was programmer/analyst. I worked with several tech startups since, including one with the inventors of bit torrent technology, content delivery and storage solutions that ended up laying the foundation for the cloud structure.

My main circle of alumni friends with whom we chat almost every day are almost all in tech, group of almost all Cal alum guys including:
two CPOs (heads of product dvpt)
a math grad in BI/AI,
a network engineer,
a founder/CEO of a software service co with a staff of 500+ people,
etc

The group is having a ball watching the purge at Twitter and the meltdown at FTX. Some of these guys, as typical of maths or physics grads at top schools, are a little bit eccentric, and really dislike the recent cultural changes in corporate America and in the industry, mainly the influx in the industry of a lot of people with non tech backgrounds and questionable skills due to the rise in workforce demand, and the rise in woke culture, with non-tech mgmt and HR types butting into their work.

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Lol, we never had any doubt that you are informed by your echo chamber of anti woke white men. They should go work for Elno so they can all fail together.

This also confirms you don't know anyone at Twitter and don't understand what's going on there.

As for credentials, I graduated with honors in EEC:S (Tau Beta Pi as well) and I was a TA my last 2 years at Cal and took a number of graduate courses in CS as well.

As I've stated again and again, my team includes a number of recent hires (all devs) from Twitter who have been recruiting their colleagues heavily. I am no longer a professional software developer, but I continue to work closely with them and understand the industry.

You continue to make baseless claims about what's going on there meanwhile article after article confirm what I've been telling y'all. It's not too hard for people in this thread to see that you are making stuff up and I'm not.

See here from yesterday (all after I made my posts):
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/17/tech/twitter-employees-ultimatum-deadline/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/17/media/twitter-exodus-reliable-sources/index.html

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You're basically in a bigger echo chamber, one which includes CNN reporters like the ones you are quoting here as your source for what's happening at Twitter, reporters who are in the midst of Elon derangement syndrome (EDS), which seems to have replaced TDS.

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Musk's main problem is not dealing with an alleged exodus of talented tech workers, most of the people being purged are deadweight. It is a much bigger challenge, that of taking on the cultural and political establishment that hates the fact that their favorite platform is no longer their highly regulated and regimented playground and echo chamber.

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You have literally no basis for any statements you are making about twitter. You don't know a single person there and it appears that you don't understand tech. All you have is vague, irrelevant, uninformed and non-sensical political beliefs.

I'm not in an echo chamber, I'm reporting one degree removed from the front lines. I'm telling you what staff software engineers (and others) are telling me. Actual humans I've spoken to who worked at twitter (or did until they resigned post Elno).

You should be embarrassed by how wrong you've been but you continue to abase yourself. You have no idea what Elno could do to keep the "good" engineers and send the bad ones away. I'll give you some help though - it's not what he's been doing. As I predicted days ago, Elno allowing people to quit and receive severance would send all good employees running for the exits. They were already running before, but paying them to quite just accelerated things.

It's possible there are some good engineers left. Out of an org that large, I certainly don't have the connectivity to claim otherwise, but Elno has pissed away most of the talent any rational acquirer would want to keep. Now unlike most tech companies, I think twitter's brand and reach was the top asset - not their tech talent - but no one in their right mind would claim that the last few weeks have gone well for Elno or twitter.

The fact that you continue to pretend that you have any idea what you are talking about makes this all the more entertaining. Please keep posting because we're all enjoying this sojourn from your regular duty of pretending Russia is attaining its stated objective of ridding Ukraine of woke nazis.

Unit2Sucks said:

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The fact that you continue to pretend that you have any idea what you are talking about makes this all the more entertaining. Please keep posting because we're all enjoying this sojourn from your regular duty of pretending Russia is attaining its stated objective of ridding Ukraine of woke nazis.

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Don't forget his job explaining why Kraftwerk will be better remembered than The Beatles!

sycasey said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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The fact that you continue to pretend that you have any idea what you are talking about makes this all the more entertaining. Please keep posting because we're all enjoying this sojourn from your regular duty of pretending Russia is attaining its stated objective of ridding Ukraine of woke nazis.

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Don't forget his job explaining why Kraftwerk will be better remembered than The Beatles!

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I enjoyed that read. Stop trolling.

Unit2Sucks said:

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You have literally no basis for any statements you are making about twitter. You don't know a single person there and it appears that you don't understand tech. All you have is vague, irrelevant, uninformed and non-sensical political beliefs.

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But that's what makes the OT Forum so AWESOME!
For example, look no further than that Vaccine Redux thread that went on for 87 pages and 3,000 posts.

sycasey said:

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Don't forget his job explaining why Kraftwerk will be better remembered than The Beatles!

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lol