Right now Twitter is like the Death Watch Hottie Thread but without the hotties

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You really think the majority of Twitter employees relate to Elon and are upset with "woke culture"?

Idk when you graduated but you are clearly not connected to the main workforce. It's not rocket science, it's a tech company in SF whose workforce is largely people in their 20s, 30s, 40s.

Does their political donation record look like a company whose employees are fed up with "woke culture" and identify with musk?
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/twitter/totals?id=D000067113

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You really think the majority of Twitter employees relate to Elon and are upset with "woke culture"?

Idk when you graduated but you are clearly not connected to the main workforce. It's not rocket science, it's a tech company in SF whose workforce is largely people in their 20s, 30s, 40s.

Does their political donation record look like a company whose employees are fed up with "woke culture" and identify with musk?
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/twitter/totals?id=D000067113

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People with technical backgrounds in the industry tend to be apolitical, or lean libertarian, and are mostly white or Asian males. There are not many Dem donors in that group. I would guess that the majority of these donors are from the managerial ranks, which make up a sizable percentage of Twitter's 7,500 workforce.

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Musk wants to change the culture at Twitter, and reinstill a tech culture there. The best coders and engineers are driven workaholics. What someone wrote a few posts above about workaholics generally being inefficient and promoting a toxic workspace is largely true in managerial positions, but it isn`t true among technical staff. The best of these have virtually no life outside their work, and that`s perfectly alright with them.

As well, among this tech culture, there are far more workers who don`t like being constrained by a pervasive woke culture than people who are liberal zealots. There are a lot more James Damores (guy who was fired from Google for writing a long memo on gender dynamics in the tech workplace) in the top engineering circles than Yao Yues (woman who was recently fired from Twitter), so Twitter will be a magnet for the former types.

The other issue is that many big tech companies, especially those that are public content-driven spaces like Twitter, FB or Reddit have become excessively politicized, stifling and distorting free speech with bots, dynamic bans and algorithm manipulation. The political culture that has been enshrined into Twitter is hostile to someone like Musk who is more of a freethinking independent, so what we`re seeing now is him turning Twitter into a culture that is more like that of a normal, less politicized tech-driven startup from the 90s or 00s.

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Couple of things you are missing. If you are a workaholics, top tier coder, why work at an oppressive culture at Twitter as opposed to overworking at Google? It isn't as if Twitter is some amazing platform or amazing coding opportunity.

Any do you think Twitter, FB or Reddit became politicized because of the leaders or because of the demands of the work force and investors?

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What do you think constitutes an oppressive work environment is for a top coder? It`s overbearing HR commissars, passive aggressive managers who get on their case over language, or having to sit through sensitivity training seminars as a result of some perceived microaggression by a zoomer project mgr or assistant. Most coders identify a lot more with Musk than Vijaya Gadde or any of the Twitter mgrs who got fired.

The main reason Twitter, FB etc became politicized is because they are dominated by non-technical people from the Bay Area, who tend to be very liberal. These organizations have morphed from a culture of tech startups into something that is more like that of a liberal NGO.

Also, there has been a huge influx into the industry of liberal arts grad types who have gone to coding camps or night school to take advantage of high salaries. A few years ago I was building an app and looked to hire product mgrs, there were 24yo kids from NYU or Brown with BAs and a 6-mo coding camp who were asking for $125K, they had none of the fundamental technical skills to do the job and knew less about computer science than a 16yo future CS student. These workers tend to be excessively politicized, have a very high sense of entitlement and a relatively poor work ethic, whereas the culture at CS/engineering depts in academia is completely different - male-dominated, nose to the grindstone and not very politicized; not much of a life outside of work.

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Just curious, how many coders at twitter have you spoken to? Because what you are saying is pretty much the opposite of what I'm hearing.

I've talked to a bunch and yet to hear a single person say that they were excited for Musk to take over the company (or that they knew of any other coder who was excited). People are specifically running for the doors because of what Elno is doing. My tiny company has already hired a few and is in talks with others and we hear the same thing over and over. Elno is toxic to Twitter's engineering culture.

You make baseless statements about coders not identifying with Gadde or other managers but you ignore that Musk is making engineers self-certify to FTC compliance and won't let people work from home (which was extremely popular among the developers).

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What was your major at Cal, PEIS, Poli Sci? I am a graduate of the College of Engineering.

My first job out of college was programmer/analyst. I worked with several tech startups since, including one with the inventors of bit torrent technology, content delivery and storage solutions that ended up laying the foundation for the cloud structure.

My main circle of alumni friends with whom we chat almost every day are almost all in tech, group of almost all Cal alum guys including:
two CPOs (heads of product dvpt)
a math grad in BI/AI,
a network engineer,
a founder/CEO of a software service co with a staff of 500+ people,
etc

The group is having a ball watching the purge at Twitter and the meltdown at FTX. Some of these guys, as typical of maths or physics grads at top schools, are a little bit eccentric, and really dislike the recent cultural changes in corporate America and in the industry, mainly the influx in the industry of a lot of people with non tech backgrounds and questionable skills due to the rise in workforce demand, and the rise in woke culture, with non-tech mgmt and HR types butting into their work.

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Lol, we never had any doubt that you are informed by your echo chamber of anti woke white men. They should go work for Elno so they can all fail together.

This also confirms you don't know anyone at Twitter and don't understand what's going on there.

As for credentials, I graduated with honors in EEC:S (Tau Beta Pi as well) and I was a TA my last 2 years at Cal and took a number of graduate courses in CS as well.

As I've stated again and again, my team includes a number of recent hires (all devs) from Twitter who have been recruiting their colleagues heavily. I am no longer a professional software developer, but I continue to work closely with them and understand the industry.

You continue to make baseless claims about what's going on there meanwhile article after article confirm what I've been telling y'all. It's not too hard for people in this thread to see that you are making stuff up and I'm not.

See here from yesterday (all after I made my posts):
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/17/tech/twitter-employees-ultimatum-deadline/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/17/media/twitter-exodus-reliable-sources/index.html

You would guess wrong. You're making huge assumptions with absolutely no proof besides your group chat with nobody at Twitter.

You seriously believe eng aren't making *any* political donations? The disparity in donations is massive:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/02/most-liberal-tech-companies-ranked-by-employee-donations.html

Btw, most tech companies have eng manage eng... The majority of the managerial ranks *are* technical...

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The group is having a ball watching the purge at Twitter and the meltdown at FTX.

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Feel free to explain how being "non-tech" lead to the demise of FTX when it had absolutely nothing to do with it.

Or are you going to tell me that "techies" have much higher ethics and integrity and would have never used segregated customer accounts at a brokerage firm to finance a hedge-fund?

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Never said that about FTX, the interest there boils down to rubbernecking at the almost comical nature of that affair, akin to a Gervais sitcom, it's a funnier version of the "Silicon Valley" miniseries.

Let's assume (I don't necessarily agree with this assumption) all this is Elon is changing the culture and imposing cost cuts to what has been an historically unprofitable company that underperforms. He is taking a sledgehammer approach, rather than using a scapel, in a way that is alienating users and ad customers.

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You would guess wrong. You're making huge assumptions with absolutely no proof besides your group chat with nobody at Twitter.

You seriously believe eng aren't making *any* political donations? The disparity in donations is massive:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/02/most-liberal-tech-companies-ranked-by-employee-donations.html

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What you really need to consider here is what percentage of employees at these corporations are donors, and within this small subgroup, what backgrounds are those donors from. In HR or marketing for example, which are typically more feminine and much more leftist than engineering or technical depts.

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Btw, most tech companies have eng manage eng... The majority of the managerial ranks *are* technical...

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There is some difference in the outlook of say, a senior developer ,vs that of a person with a technical background who goes into management.

Also within tech certain corporations have become heavily politicized overall, especially those like Netflix that are focused on content creation, vs a Qualcomm which is focused on engineering. You're going to have a hard time fitting in at Netflix as an engineer if you're not on the same wavelength.

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Musk wants to change the culture at Twitter, and reinstill a tech culture there. The best coders and engineers are driven workaholics. What someone wrote a few posts above about workaholics generally being inefficient and promoting a toxic workspace is largely true in managerial positions, but it isn`t true among technical staff. The best of these have virtually no life outside their work, and that`s perfectly alright with them.

As well, among this tech culture, there are far more workers who don`t like being constrained by a pervasive woke culture than people who are liberal zealots. There are a lot more James Damores (guy who was fired from Google for writing a long memo on gender dynamics in the tech workplace) in the top engineering circles than Yao Yues (woman who was recently fired from Twitter), so Twitter will be a magnet for the former types.

The other issue is that many big tech companies, especially those that are public content-driven spaces like Twitter, FB or Reddit have become excessively politicized, stifling and distorting free speech with bots, dynamic bans and algorithm manipulation. The political culture that has been enshrined into Twitter is hostile to someone like Musk who is more of a freethinking independent, so what we`re seeing now is him turning Twitter into a culture that is more like that of a normal, less politicized tech-driven startup from the 90s or 00s.

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Couple of things you are missing. If you are a workaholics, top tier coder, why work at an oppressive culture at Twitter as opposed to overworking at Google? It isn't as if Twitter is some amazing platform or amazing coding opportunity.

Any do you think Twitter, FB or Reddit became politicized because of the leaders or because of the demands of the work force and investors?

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What do you think constitutes an oppressive work environment is for a top coder? It`s overbearing HR commissars, passive aggressive managers who get on their case over language, or having to sit through sensitivity training seminars as a result of some perceived microaggression by a zoomer project mgr or assistant. Most coders identify a lot more with Musk than Vijaya Gadde or any of the Twitter mgrs who got fired.

The main reason Twitter, FB etc became politicized is because they are dominated by non-technical people from the Bay Area, who tend to be very liberal. These organizations have morphed from a culture of tech startups into something that is more like that of a liberal NGO.

Also, there has been a huge influx into the industry of liberal arts grad types who have gone to coding camps or night school to take advantage of high salaries. A few years ago I was building an app and looked to hire product mgrs, there were 24yo kids from NYU or Brown with BAs and a 6-mo coding camp who were asking for $125K, they had none of the fundamental technical skills to do the job and knew less about computer science than a 16yo future CS student. These workers tend to be excessively politicized, have a very high sense of entitlement and a relatively poor work ethic, whereas the culture at CS/engineering depts in academia is completely different - male-dominated, nose to the grindstone and not very politicized; not much of a life outside of work.

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Just curious, how many coders at twitter have you spoken to? Because what you are saying is pretty much the opposite of what I'm hearing.

I've talked to a bunch and yet to hear a single person say that they were excited for Musk to take over the company (or that they knew of any other coder who was excited). People are specifically running for the doors because of what Elno is doing. My tiny company has already hired a few and is in talks with others and we hear the same thing over and over. Elno is toxic to Twitter's engineering culture.

You make baseless statements about coders not identifying with Gadde or other managers but you ignore that Musk is making engineers self-certify to FTC compliance and won't let people work from home (which was extremely popular among the developers).

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What was your major at Cal, PEIS, Poli Sci? I am a graduate of the College of Engineering.

My first job out of college was programmer/analyst. I worked with several tech startups since, including one with the inventors of bit torrent technology, content delivery and storage solutions that ended up laying the foundation for the cloud structure.

My main circle of alumni friends with whom we chat almost every day are almost all in tech, group of almost all Cal alum guys including:
two CPOs (heads of product dvpt)
a math grad in BI/AI,
a network engineer,
a founder/CEO of a software service co with a staff of 500+ people,
etc

The group is having a ball watching the purge at Twitter and the meltdown at FTX. Some of these guys, as typical of maths or physics grads at top schools, are a little bit eccentric, and really dislike the recent cultural changes in corporate America and in the industry, mainly the influx in the industry of a lot of people with non tech backgrounds and questionable skills due to the rise in workforce demand, and the rise in woke culture, with non-tech mgmt and HR types butting into their work.

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Lol, we never had any doubt that you are informed by your echo chamber of anti woke white men. They should go work for Elno so they can all fail together.

This also confirms you don't know anyone at Twitter and don't understand what's going on there.

As for credentials, I graduated with honors in EEC:S (Tau Beta Pi as well) and I was a TA my last 2 years at Cal and took a number of graduate courses in CS as well.

As I've stated again and again, my team includes a number of recent hires (all devs) from Twitter who have been recruiting their colleagues heavily. I am no longer a professional software developer, but I continue to work closely with them and understand the industry.

You continue to make baseless claims about what's going on there meanwhile article after article confirm what I've been telling y'all. It's not too hard for people in this thread to see that you are making stuff up and I'm not.

See here from yesterday (all after I made my posts):
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/17/tech/twitter-employees-ultimatum-deadline/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/17/media/twitter-exodus-reliable-sources/index.html

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You're basically in a bigger echo chamber, one which includes CNN reporters like the ones you are quoting here as your source for what's happening at Twitter, reporters who are in the midst of Elon derangement syndrome (EDS), which seems to have replaced TDS.


https://www.cnn.com/profiles/clare-duffy

Portland U. and Cplumbia graduate, here is her latest twitter post/retweet:

To give you an idea of where Musk’s ego is at, overnight he liked tweets nonsensically saying that Twitter saved Earth from WW3, an incoherent thread about how his control over Twitter is crucial to defeat climate change, and one implicitly comparing him to Caravaggio pic.twitter.com/uwuCMZuOx0

— Michael Ballaban (@Ballaban) November 18, 2022

https://www.cnn.com/profiles/oliver-darcy

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Darcy's award-winning reporting focuses largely on right-wing media and the role it plays in politics writ large. He also regularly covers misinformation and conspiracy theories and how both have thrived in the Trump-era.

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Musk's main problem is not dealing with an alleged exodus of talented tech workers, most of the people being purged are deadweight. It is a much bigger challenge, that of taking on the cultural and political establishment that hates the fact that their favorite platform is no longer their highly regulated and regimented playground and echo chamber.

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This is hilarious, like a lot of great humor, it cuts pretty close to the bone.

Perhaps the endgame here is to charge corporate accounts high fees for posting, which sounds like a good application of third degree price discrimination mktg principles.

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Let's assume (I don't necessarily agree with this assumption) all this is Elon is changing the culture and imposing cost cuts to what has been an historically unprofitable company that underperforms. He is taking a sledgehammer approach, rather than using a scapel, in a way that is alienating users and ad customers.

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I guess I should have added and alienating investors, by making indiscriminate job cuts .

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That would be the first time in history that investors have been turned off by an aggressive layoff policy.

pic.twitter.com/NrOJqQa3V3

— Jason Jones (@jonesville) November 18, 2022

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Cal88 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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Cal88 said:

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Musk wants to change the culture at Twitter, and reinstill a tech culture there. The best coders and engineers are driven workaholics. What someone wrote a few posts above about workaholics generally being inefficient and promoting a toxic workspace is largely true in managerial positions, but it isn`t true among technical staff. The best of these have virtually no life outside their work, and that`s perfectly alright with them.

As well, among this tech culture, there are far more workers who don`t like being constrained by a pervasive woke culture than people who are liberal zealots. There are a lot more James Damores (guy who was fired from Google for writing a long memo on gender dynamics in the tech workplace) in the top engineering circles than Yao Yues (woman who was recently fired from Twitter), so Twitter will be a magnet for the former types.

The other issue is that many big tech companies, especially those that are public content-driven spaces like Twitter, FB or Reddit have become excessively politicized, stifling and distorting free speech with bots, dynamic bans and algorithm manipulation. The political culture that has been enshrined into Twitter is hostile to someone like Musk who is more of a freethinking independent, so what we`re seeing now is him turning Twitter into a culture that is more like that of a normal, less politicized tech-driven startup from the 90s or 00s.

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Couple of things you are missing. If you are a workaholics, top tier coder, why work at an oppressive culture at Twitter as opposed to overworking at Google? It isn't as if Twitter is some amazing platform or amazing coding opportunity.

Any do you think Twitter, FB or Reddit became politicized because of the leaders or because of the demands of the work force and investors?

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What do you think constitutes an oppressive work environment is for a top coder? It`s overbearing HR commissars, passive aggressive managers who get on their case over language, or having to sit through sensitivity training seminars as a result of some perceived microaggression by a zoomer project mgr or assistant. Most coders identify a lot more with Musk than Vijaya Gadde or any of the Twitter mgrs who got fired.

The main reason Twitter, FB etc became politicized is because they are dominated by non-technical people from the Bay Area, who tend to be very liberal. These organizations have morphed from a culture of tech startups into something that is more like that of a liberal NGO.

Also, there has been a huge influx into the industry of liberal arts grad types who have gone to coding camps or night school to take advantage of high salaries. A few years ago I was building an app and looked to hire product mgrs, there were 24yo kids from NYU or Brown with BAs and a 6-mo coding camp who were asking for $125K, they had none of the fundamental technical skills to do the job and knew less about computer science than a 16yo future CS student. These workers tend to be excessively politicized, have a very high sense of entitlement and a relatively poor work ethic, whereas the culture at CS/engineering depts in academia is completely different - male-dominated, nose to the grindstone and not very politicized; not much of a life outside of work.

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Just curious, how many coders at twitter have you spoken to? Because what you are saying is pretty much the opposite of what I'm hearing.

I've talked to a bunch and yet to hear a single person say that they were excited for Musk to take over the company (or that they knew of any other coder who was excited). People are specifically running for the doors because of what Elno is doing. My tiny company has already hired a few and is in talks with others and we hear the same thing over and over. Elno is toxic to Twitter's engineering culture.

You make baseless statements about coders not identifying with Gadde or other managers but you ignore that Musk is making engineers self-certify to FTC compliance and won't let people work from home (which was extremely popular among the developers).

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What was your major at Cal, PEIS, Poli Sci? I am a graduate of the College of Engineering.

My first job out of college was programmer/analyst. I worked with several tech startups since, including one with the inventors of bit torrent technology, content delivery and storage solutions that ended up laying the foundation for the cloud structure.

My main circle of alumni friends with whom we chat almost every day are almost all in tech, group of almost all Cal alum guys including:
two CPOs (heads of product dvpt)
a math grad in BI/AI,
a network engineer,
a founder/CEO of a software service co with a staff of 500+ people,
etc

The group is having a ball watching the purge at Twitter and the meltdown at FTX. Some of these guys, as typical of maths or physics grads at top schools, are a little bit eccentric, and really dislike the recent cultural changes in corporate America and in the industry, mainly the influx in the industry of a lot of people with non tech backgrounds and questionable skills due to the rise in workforce demand, and the rise in woke culture, with non-tech mgmt and HR types butting into their work.

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Lol, we never had any doubt that you are informed by your echo chamber of anti woke white men. They should go work for Elno so they can all fail together.

This also confirms you don't know anyone at Twitter and don't understand what's going on there.

As for credentials, I graduated with honors in EEC:S (Tau Beta Pi as well) and I was a TA my last 2 years at Cal and took a number of graduate courses in CS as well.

As I've stated again and again, my team includes a number of recent hires (all devs) from Twitter who have been recruiting their colleagues heavily. I am no longer a professional software developer, but I continue to work closely with them and understand the industry.

You continue to make baseless claims about what's going on there meanwhile article after article confirm what I've been telling y'all. It's not too hard for people in this thread to see that you are making stuff up and I'm not.

See here from yesterday (all after I made my posts):
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/17/tech/twitter-employees-ultimatum-deadline/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/17/media/twitter-exodus-reliable-sources/index.html

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You're basically in a bigger echo chamber, one which includes CNN reporters like the ones you are quoting here as your source for what's happening at Twitter, reporters who are in the midst of Elon derangement syndrome (EDS), which seems to have replaced TDS.

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Musk's main problem is not dealing with an alleged exodus of talented tech workers, most of the people being purged are deadweight. It is a much bigger challenge, that of taking on the cultural and political establishment that hates the fact that their favorite platform is no longer their highly regulated and regimented playground and echo chamber.

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You have literally no basis for any statements you are making about twitter. You don't know a single person there and it appears that you don't understand tech. All you have is vague, irrelevant, uninformed and non-sensical political beliefs.

I'm not in an echo chamber, I'm reporting one degree removed from the front lines. I'm telling you what staff software engineers (and others) are telling me. Actual humans I've spoken to who worked at twitter (or did until they resigned post Elno).

You should be embarrassed by how wrong you've been but you continue to abase yourself. You have no idea what Elno could do to keep the "good" engineers and send the bad ones away. I'll give you some help though - it's not what he's been doing. As I predicted days ago, Elno allowing people to quit and receive severance would send all good employees running for the exits. They were already running before, but paying them to quite just accelerated things.

It's possible there are some good engineers left. Out of an org that large, I certainly don't have the connectivity to claim otherwise, but Elno has pissed away most of the talent any rational acquirer would want to keep. Now unlike most tech companies, I think twitter's brand and reach was the top asset - not their tech talent - but no one in their right mind would claim that the last few weeks have gone well for Elno or twitter.

The fact that you continue to pretend that you have any idea what you are talking about makes this all the more entertaining. Please keep posting because we're all enjoying this sojourn from your regular duty of pretending Russia is attaining its stated objective of ridding Ukraine of woke nazis.

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The fact that you continue to pretend that you have any idea what you are talking about makes this all the more entertaining. Please keep posting because we're all enjoying this sojourn from your regular duty of pretending Russia is attaining its stated objective of ridding Ukraine of woke nazis.

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Don't forget his job explaining why Kraftwerk will be better remembered than The Beatles!

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The fact that you continue to pretend that you have any idea what you are talking about makes this all the more entertaining. Please keep posting because we're all enjoying this sojourn from your regular duty of pretending Russia is attaining its stated objective of ridding Ukraine of woke nazis.

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Don't forget his job explaining why Kraftwerk will be better remembered than The Beatles!

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I enjoyed that read. Stop trolling.