sycasey said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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It's what I've been saying forever - The Left diminishes its own credibility with their insane rhetoric. It's unbelievably stupid because there is so much meat on the bones for legit criticism.

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Would you say the same about insane rhetoric from The Right? I'd say that examples abound right now.

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At this point in time, I'm not sure what insane rhetoric - at the foundational level - you're talking about. To be clear, there have been many times in the past when it was the GOP doing crazy things. Right now, it's the Dems. I honestly can't think of an issue where they're on the right side, and certainly not on the right side with the public. As a Republican, I say keep at it because I know, as my grandfather told me, the worm always turns. But until it does, I want to see things I believe in get instituted. And right now, the people working the hardest to make sure that happens, are the Democrats. Illegal immigration, deporting violent criminals, cutting bloat and waste out of the government, helping Americans before sending money abroad, protecting women's sports and the list goes on and on... aside from abortion (that would actually be an example for you of some insane GOP rhetoric) there doesn't seem to be anything on which the Dems are taking the position the American people want them to.

calpoly said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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I understood my friend to mean every federal employee, not all people in his department/Agency.

Clinton and Obama tried the "rational and reasonable" approach to doing this. Both failed, likely because 1) the institutions of government are so vast and they work to protect themselves; and 2) Congress ultimately is motivated to never allow cuts (those cuts affect businesses and people in somebody's district). I'm afraid it has to happen this way, or never at all.

Re the airplane crashes…we don't know the official causes yet but initial indications are Pilot error (DC), mechanical malfunction (Philadelphia) and weather (Toronto). I'm not sure FAA staffing mattered at all.

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" I'm afraid it has to happen this way, or never at all. "

This is one of the dumbest statements ever. You don't have to elect a narcissistic felon to bring in a narcissistic nazi billionaire that has no security clearance that hires teenagers to fire federal employees without merit.

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Thank you.

That's what I've been trying to say in my own clumsy and wordy way. I've had outstanding performance appraisals and numerous awards for the last 25 years, but it won't matter when some 20 year old that has never met me decides I must go.

TheFiatLux said:

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sycasey said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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It's what I've been saying forever - The Left diminishes its own credibility with their insane rhetoric. It's unbelievably stupid because there is so much meat on the bones for legit criticism.

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Would you say the same about insane rhetoric from The Right? I'd say that examples abound right now.

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At this point in time, I'm not sure what insane rhetoric - at the foundational level - you're talking about. To be clear, there have been many times in the past when it was the GOP doing crazy things. Right now, it's the Dems. I honestly can't think of an issue where they're on the right side, and certainly not on the right side with the public. As a Republican, I say keep at it because I know, as my grandfather told me, the worm always turns. But until it does, I want to see things I believe in get instituted. And right now, the people working the hardest to make sure that happens, are the Democrats. Illegal immigration, deporting violent criminals, cutting bloat and waste out of the government, helping Americans before sending money abroad, protecting women's sports and the list goes on and on... aside from abortion (that would actually be an example for you of some insane GOP rhetoric) there doesn't seem to be anything on which the Dems are taking the position the American people want them to.

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I appreciate you speaking up to tell us what the American people want. Surely a monolithic group like the American people must be of one mind.

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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I understood my friend to mean every federal employee, not all people in his department/Agency.

Clinton and Obama tried the "rational and reasonable" approach to doing this. Both failed, likely because 1) the institutions of government are so vast and they work to protect themselves; and 2) Congress ultimately is motivated to never allow cuts (those cuts affect businesses and people in somebody's district). I'm afraid it has to happen this way, or never at all.

Re the airplane crashes…we don't know the official causes yet but initial indications are Pilot error (DC), mechanical malfunction (Philadelphia) and weather (Toronto). I'm not sure FAA staffing mattered at all.

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Yeah, the fact that the FAA didn't have enough Air Traffic Controllers available to be fully staffed that night had nothing to do with the Washington DC crash.

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the most recent things I've read have the helicopter at a bad altitude (too high) with its safety system turned off and that there is evidence they may not have received the message to go behind the airplane. That's 3 separate potential failures, all on the helicopter crew / pilot. I have seen nothing pointing at FAA staffing. If you've got that data please share.

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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TheFiatLux said:

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sycasey said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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It's what I've been saying forever - The Left diminishes its own credibility with their insane rhetoric. It's unbelievably stupid because there is so much meat on the bones for legit criticism.

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Would you say the same about insane rhetoric from The Right? I'd say that examples abound right now.

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At this point in time, I'm not sure what insane rhetoric - at the foundational level - you're talking about. To be clear, there have been many times in the past when it was the GOP doing crazy things. Right now, it's the Dems. I honestly can't think of an issue where they're on the right side, and certainly not on the right side with the public. As a Republican, I say keep at it because I know, as my grandfather told me, the worm always turns. But until it does, I want to see things I believe in get instituted. And right now, the people working the hardest to make sure that happens, are the Democrats. Illegal immigration, deporting violent criminals, cutting bloat and waste out of the government, helping Americans before sending money abroad, protecting women's sports and the list goes on and on... aside from abortion (that would actually be an example for you of some insane GOP rhetoric) there doesn't seem to be anything on which the Dems are taking the position the American people want them to.

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I appreciate you speaking up to tell us what the American people want. Surely a monolithic group like the American people must be of one mind.

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I'm not sure why you feel the need to be snide in reply to a perfectly civil post.

Regarding the American people. there was an election.

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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calpoly said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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I understood my friend to mean every federal employee, not all people in his department/Agency.

Clinton and Obama tried the "rational and reasonable" approach to doing this. Both failed, likely because 1) the institutions of government are so vast and they work to protect themselves; and 2) Congress ultimately is motivated to never allow cuts (those cuts affect businesses and people in somebody's district). I'm afraid it has to happen this way, or never at all.

Re the airplane crashes…we don't know the official causes yet but initial indications are Pilot error (DC), mechanical malfunction (Philadelphia) and weather (Toronto). I'm not sure FAA staffing mattered at all.

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" I'm afraid it has to happen this way, or never at all. "

This is one of the dumbest statements ever. You don't have to elect a narcissistic felon to bring in a narcissistic nazi billionaire that has no security clearance that hires teenagers to fire federal employees without merit.

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Thank you.

That's what I've been trying to say in my own clumsy and wordy way. I've had outstanding performance appraisals and numerous awards for the last 25 years, but it won't matter when some 20 year old that has never met me decides I must go.

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I'm also going to say that none of these same people would be celebrating the firings if it were farmers or factory workers losing their jobs because some tech guy looked at a spreadsheet and decided they should be cut. For some reason it's good when it's government workers . . . not just people in Washington, local ground-level workers too.

Just goes to show that it isn't about populism or "the people." It's about retribution against perceived enemies.

TheFiatLux said:

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sycasey said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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It's what I've been saying forever - The Left diminishes its own credibility with their insane rhetoric. It's unbelievably stupid because there is so much meat on the bones for legit criticism.

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Would you say the same about insane rhetoric from The Right? I'd say that examples abound right now.

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At this point in time, I'm not sure what insane rhetoric - at the foundational level - you're talking about.

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Trade war with Canada seems pretty insane to me.

TheFiatLux said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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TheFiatLux said:

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sycasey said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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It's what I've been saying forever - The Left diminishes its own credibility with their insane rhetoric. It's unbelievably stupid because there is so much meat on the bones for legit criticism.

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Would you say the same about insane rhetoric from The Right? I'd say that examples abound right now.

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At this point in time, I'm not sure what insane rhetoric - at the foundational level - you're talking about. To be clear, there have been many times in the past when it was the GOP doing crazy things. Right now, it's the Dems. I honestly can't think of an issue where they're on the right side, and certainly not on the right side with the public. As a Republican, I say keep at it because I know, as my grandfather told me, the worm always turns. But until it does, I want to see things I believe in get instituted. And right now, the people working the hardest to make sure that happens, are the Democrats. Illegal immigration, deporting violent criminals, cutting bloat and waste out of the government, helping Americans before sending money abroad, protecting women's sports and the list goes on and on... aside from abortion (that would actually be an example for you of some insane GOP rhetoric) there doesn't seem to be anything on which the Dems are taking the position the American people want them to.

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I appreciate you speaking up to tell us what the American people want. Surely a monolithic group like the American people must be of one mind.

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I'm not sure why you feel the need to be snide in reply to a perfectly civil post.

Regarding the American people. there was an election.

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And there are opinion polls that corroborate each of the points you made. The dems are on the wrong side of all of those issues, with the exception of some abortion policy.

sycasey said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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calpoly said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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I understood my friend to mean every federal employee, not all people in his department/Agency.

Clinton and Obama tried the "rational and reasonable" approach to doing this. Both failed, likely because 1) the institutions of government are so vast and they work to protect themselves; and 2) Congress ultimately is motivated to never allow cuts (those cuts affect businesses and people in somebody's district). I'm afraid it has to happen this way, or never at all.

Re the airplane crashes…we don't know the official causes yet but initial indications are Pilot error (DC), mechanical malfunction (Philadelphia) and weather (Toronto). I'm not sure FAA staffing mattered at all.

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" I'm afraid it has to happen this way, or never at all. "

This is one of the dumbest statements ever. You don't have to elect a narcissistic felon to bring in a narcissistic nazi billionaire that has no security clearance that hires teenagers to fire federal employees without merit.

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Thank you.

That's what I've been trying to say in my own clumsy and wordy way. I've had outstanding performance appraisals and numerous awards for the last 25 years, but it won't matter when some 20 year old that has never met me decides I must go.

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I'm also going to say that none of these same people would be celebrating the firings if it were farmers or factory workers losing their jobs because some tech guy looked at a spreadsheet and decided they should be cut. For some reason it's good when it's government workers . . . not just people in Washington, local ground-level workers too.

Just goes to show that it isn't about populism or "the people." It's about retribution against perceived enemies.

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Is this surprising to you? We - taxpayers - pay (or borrow) the cost of paying government workers. We don't pay the salaries of farmers or factory workers.

There are many reasons people are in favor of cutting the size and cost of government. Among others, budget deficits, misplaced priorities, political bias, and an entrenched and unaccountable bureaucracy that often provides bad service or otherwise performs poorly. None of that applies to farmers or factory workers.

It is not about retribution. It is about restoring a modest measure of fiscal discipline, setting policy priorities, and ensuring the government is accountable to the citizenry.

BearGoggles said:

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sycasey said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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calpoly said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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I understood my friend to mean every federal employee, not all people in his department/Agency.

Clinton and Obama tried the "rational and reasonable" approach to doing this. Both failed, likely because 1) the institutions of government are so vast and they work to protect themselves; and 2) Congress ultimately is motivated to never allow cuts (those cuts affect businesses and people in somebody's district). I'm afraid it has to happen this way, or never at all.

Re the airplane crashes…we don't know the official causes yet but initial indications are Pilot error (DC), mechanical malfunction (Philadelphia) and weather (Toronto). I'm not sure FAA staffing mattered at all.

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" I'm afraid it has to happen this way, or never at all. "

This is one of the dumbest statements ever. You don't have to elect a narcissistic felon to bring in a narcissistic nazi billionaire that has no security clearance that hires teenagers to fire federal employees without merit.

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Thank you.

That's what I've been trying to say in my own clumsy and wordy way. I've had outstanding performance appraisals and numerous awards for the last 25 years, but it won't matter when some 20 year old that has never met me decides I must go.

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I'm also going to say that none of these same people would be celebrating the firings if it were farmers or factory workers losing their jobs because some tech guy looked at a spreadsheet and decided they should be cut. For some reason it's good when it's government workers . . . not just people in Washington, local ground-level workers too.

Just goes to show that it isn't about populism or "the people." It's about retribution against perceived enemies.

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Is this surprising to you? We - taxpayers - pay (or borrow) the cost of paying government workers. We don't pay the salaries of farmers or factory workers.

There are many reasons people are in favor of cutting the size and cost of government. Among others, budget deficits, misplaced priorities, political bias, and an entrenched and unaccountable bureaucracy that often provides bad service or otherwise performs poorly. None of that applies to farmers or factory workers.

It is not about retribution. It is about restoring a modest measure of fiscal discipline, setting policy priorities, and ensuring the government is accountable to the citizenry.

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I don't believe that firing hundreds of thousands of people is a good way to go about this, but you stick to the party line as you will.

Do you support yearly $2.5 Trillion deficits?

One Trillion a year in interest payments?

$300 Billion to rebuild Los Angeles when the Governor and DEI Democrats spent 30 years creating combustible conditions?

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I'm also going to say that none of these same people would be celebrating the firings if it were farmers or factory workers losing their jobs

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Farmers overwhelmingly produce things we need to sustain life, so yes, I'd likely have a problem with that.

Today there's a report the Agriculture department canceled numerous contracts. Among them were a "Brazilian forest and gender consultant" and "central American gender assessment consultant". Again, the department of Agriculture.

They also cancelled 948 training classes of which 758 were solely related to DEI.

Maybe we could get government agencies right sized and laser focused on their primary missions???? That necessarily means some huge number of people would keep their government jobs, and that would be great. This other stuff has to go.

220,000 probationary workers released.

tequila4kapp said:

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sycasey said:

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I'm also going to say that none of these same people would be celebrating the firings if it were farmers or factory workers losing their jobs

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Farmers overwhelmingly produce things we need to sustain life, so yes, I'd likely have a problem with that.

Today there's a report the Agriculture department canceled numerous contracts. Among them were a "Brazilian forest and gender consultant" and "central American gender assessment consultant". Again, the department of Agriculture.

They also cancelled 948 training classes of which 758 were solely related to DEI.

Maybe we could get government agencies right sized and laser focused on their primary missions???? That necessarily means some huge number of people would keep their government jobs, and that would be great. This other stuff has to go.

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These are the people the conservative media will focus on, for obvious reasons. Those are not the only people being let go. There are also people who run national parks and VA hospitals being fired. It's indiscriminate, not laser focused.

While gutting one Liberal slushfund used to park Liberal foot soldiers in off years, fund radical idealogues, and fund the C-A. We also saved 8 - 13,000 FTEs.

We forsee similar pushback for all waste, fraud, and abuse. That's one reason why Clinton, Obama, and Trump 1.0 failed.

Someone's ox will always be gored.

DOGE also auditing child protective services.

Preach.

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— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) February 18, 2025

TheFiatLux said:

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sycasey said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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It's what I've been saying forever - The Left diminishes its own credibility with their insane rhetoric. It's unbelievably stupid because there is so much meat on the bones for legit criticism.

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Would you say the same about insane rhetoric from The Right? I'd say that examples abound right now.

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At this point in time, I'm not sure what insane rhetoric - at the foundational level - you're talking about. To be clear, there have been many times in the past when it was the GOP doing crazy things. Right now, it's the Dems. I honestly can't think of an issue where they're on the right side, and certainly not on the right side with the public. As a Republican, I say keep at it because I know, as my grandfather told me, the worm always turns. But until it does, I want to see things I believe in get instituted. And right now, the people working the hardest to make sure that happens, are the Democrats. Illegal immigration, deporting violent criminals, cutting bloat and waste out of the government, helping Americans before sending money abroad, protecting women's sports and the list goes on and on... aside from abortion (that would actually be an example for you of some insane GOP rhetoric) there doesn't seem to be anything on which the Dems are taking the position the American people want them to.

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I am sure this is wasted on you but here are some of the crazy items the GOP are doing right now:

Electing a convicted criminal
Firing workers without cause
Cutting social security and medicare for AMERICANS
Increasing the federal deficit to give talk breaks to the rich
Making women second class citizens when it comes to healthcare
Selling off natural resources
Eliminating consumer protections for AMERICANS
Eliminating school lunches and food stamps for the needy AMERICANS
Trade wars with allies
Attacking the free press
...These are just off the top of my head right now.

calpoly said:

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TheFiatLux said:

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sycasey said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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It's what I've been saying forever - The Left diminishes its own credibility with their insane rhetoric. It's unbelievably stupid because there is so much meat on the bones for legit criticism.

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Would you say the same about insane rhetoric from The Right? I'd say that examples abound right now.

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At this point in time, I'm not sure what insane rhetoric - at the foundational level - you're talking about. To be clear, there have been many times in the past when it was the GOP doing crazy things. Right now, it's the Dems. I honestly can't think of an issue where they're on the right side, and certainly not on the right side with the public. As a Republican, I say keep at it because I know, as my grandfather told me, the worm always turns. But until it does, I want to see things I believe in get instituted. And right now, the people working the hardest to make sure that happens, are the Democrats. Illegal immigration, deporting violent criminals, cutting bloat and waste out of the government, helping Americans before sending money abroad, protecting women's sports and the list goes on and on... aside from abortion (that would actually be an example for you of some insane GOP rhetoric) there doesn't seem to be anything on which the Dems are taking the position the American people want them to.

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I am sure this is wasted on you but here are some of the crazy items the GOP are doing right now:

Electing a convicted criminal
Firing workers without cause
Cutting social security and medicare for AMERICANS
Increasing the federal deficit to give talk breaks to the rich
Making women second class citizens when it comes to healthcare
Selling off natural resources
Eliminating consumer protections for AMERICANS
Eliminating school lunches and food stamps for the needy AMERICANS
Trade wars with allies
Attacking the free press
...These are just off the top of my head right now.

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— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) February 18, 2025

calpoly said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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I understood my friend to mean every federal employee, not all people in his department/Agency.

Clinton and Obama tried the "rational and reasonable" approach to doing this. Both failed, likely because 1) the institutions of government are so vast and they work to protect themselves; and 2) Congress ultimately is motivated to never allow cuts (those cuts affect businesses and people in somebody's district). I'm afraid it has to happen this way, or never at all.

Re the airplane crashes…we don't know the official causes yet but initial indications are Pilot error (DC), mechanical malfunction (Philadelphia) and weather (Toronto). I'm not sure FAA staffing mattered at all.

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" I'm afraid it has to happen this way, or never at all. "

This is one of the dumbest statements ever. You don't have to elect a narcissistic felon to bring in a narcissistic nazi billionaire that has no security clearance that hires teenagers to fire federal employees without merit.

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The left mocked Trump endlessly for failing to drain the swamp in his first term. Now that he's doing it, they're whining about it like children.

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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TheFiatLux said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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TheFiatLux said:

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sycasey said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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It's what I've been saying forever - The Left diminishes its own credibility with their insane rhetoric. It's unbelievably stupid because there is so much meat on the bones for legit criticism.

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Would you say the same about insane rhetoric from The Right? I'd say that examples abound right now.

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At this point in time, I'm not sure what insane rhetoric - at the foundational level - you're talking about. To be clear, there have been many times in the past when it was the GOP doing crazy things. Right now, it's the Dems. I honestly can't think of an issue where they're on the right side, and certainly not on the right side with the public. As a Republican, I say keep at it because I know, as my grandfather told me, the worm always turns. But until it does, I want to see things I believe in get instituted. And right now, the people working the hardest to make sure that happens, are the Democrats. Illegal immigration, deporting violent criminals, cutting bloat and waste out of the government, helping Americans before sending money abroad, protecting women's sports and the list goes on and on... aside from abortion (that would actually be an example for you of some insane GOP rhetoric) there doesn't seem to be anything on which the Dems are taking the position the American people want them to.

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I appreciate you speaking up to tell us what the American people want. Surely a monolithic group like the American people must be of one mind.

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I'm not sure why you feel the need to be snide in reply to a perfectly civil post.

Regarding the American people. there was an election.

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What's civil about saying Democrats are insane?

I will admit being in danger of being fired illegally without cause does make me rather snippy and you caught my crossfire.

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So instead of just apologizing to someone being civil to you in this conversation, you create a strawman. 1) I didn't say Dems were insane 2) I said they're doing crazy things - just like the GOP has done in the past 3) I literally started by calling out past actions of my party (in reply to someone saying it was insane), and then brought up the Dems.

This is why it's so hard to have honest conversations when people disagree.

In the private sector I've got fired and laid off. It's not fun, so should it happen to you I absolutely empathize with you, but it's part of life.

calpoly said:

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TheFiatLux said:

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sycasey said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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It's what I've been saying forever - The Left diminishes its own credibility with their insane rhetoric. It's unbelievably stupid because there is so much meat on the bones for legit criticism.

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Would you say the same about insane rhetoric from The Right? I'd say that examples abound right now.

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At this point in time, I'm not sure what insane rhetoric - at the foundational level - you're talking about. To be clear, there have been many times in the past when it was the GOP doing crazy things. Right now, it's the Dems. I honestly can't think of an issue where they're on the right side, and certainly not on the right side with the public. As a Republican, I say keep at it because I know, as my grandfather told me, the worm always turns. But until it does, I want to see things I believe in get instituted. And right now, the people working the hardest to make sure that happens, are the Democrats. Illegal immigration, deporting violent criminals, cutting bloat and waste out of the government, helping Americans before sending money abroad, protecting women's sports and the list goes on and on... aside from abortion (that would actually be an example for you of some insane GOP rhetoric) there doesn't seem to be anything on which the Dems are taking the position the American people want them to.

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I am sure this is wasted on you but here are some of the crazy items the GOP are doing right now:

Electing a convicted criminal
Firing workers without cause
Cutting social security and medicare for AMERICANS
Increasing the federal deficit to give talk breaks to the rich
Making women second class citizens when it comes to healthcare
Selling off natural resources
Eliminating consumer protections for AMERICANS
Eliminating school lunches and food stamps for the needy AMERICANS
Trade wars with allies
Attacking the free press
...These are just off the top of my head right now.

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Yep, the country elected a "convicted criminal," a felon at that, that's how bad the Dems were and corrupt people think the systems is. It's worth noting, the more the Dems went after Trump the more his support grew among non-Republicans.

Lots of people get fired without cause. In fact, we do that to our coaches at Cal (and every other school).

As for attacking the free press, do you mean:

When at the DNC Convention Judy Woodruff of NPR lied about Trump talking with Israel about Gaza

or

Martha Raddatz lecturing JD Vance that it was just a "handful" of apartment complexes in Colorado being taken over by Venezuelan gangs.

or

Just this weekend CBS's Margaret Brennan stating that it was too much free speech that empowered the Nazis to take over the government and implement the Holocaust.

Yeah, I'm OK with aggressively pushing back on all of that.

Most the other stuff you list hasn't happened, so, in addition to the above points, maybe top of your head isn't the best way argue your point.

bear2034 said:

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sycasey said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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sycasey said:

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I'm also going to say that none of these same people would be celebrating the firings if it were farmers or factory workers losing their jobs

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Farmers overwhelmingly produce things we need to sustain life, so yes, I'd likely have a problem with that.

Today there's a report the Agriculture department canceled numerous contracts. Among them were a "Brazilian forest and gender consultant" and "central American gender assessment consultant". Again, the department of Agriculture.

They also cancelled 948 training classes of which 758 were solely related to DEI.

Maybe we could get government agencies right sized and laser focused on their primary missions???? That necessarily means some huge number of people would keep their government jobs, and that would be great. This other stuff has to go.

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These are the people the conservative media will focus on, for obvious reasons. Those are not the only people being let go. There are also people who run national parks and VA hospitals being fired. It's indiscriminate, not laser focused.

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So Trump and DOGE are guilty of indiscriminate retribution and not laser focused retribution?

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Yeah, they've come under a belief that government workers are "the deep state" and therefore bad people who deserve to be fired. They've applied this broadly to whole departments and categories of workers, not just finding those who actually are working against them.

sycasey said:

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I would say that getting laid off in the private sector:

1. Absolutely sucks. Part of the reason people take lower salaries in government jobs is because there has historically been more security.

2. Is usually a sign of bad management at the top.

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"More" job security does not mean total job security.