Matt Parker explains just how stupid Trump's tariff chart is.
cal83dls79 said:
If you recall he imposed massive tariffs on almost every other country so I'm not exactly sure what country will substitute for China especially the stuff companies need that can't be produced by Penguins. Americans will absorb those costs as well. I do take a little solace now knowing that some Americans are just figuring out how tariffs work (or don't) and where the application of them make sense and when they do not.
so what was the point? To throw the world economy into chaos and destroy American credibility. I'm not a Rand Paul fan by any means but sometimes these Libertarians get stuff right. Google some of what he says about tarrifs. You can't run a country like a game and these "deals" trump said were flooding in are fiction. Can you name one?oski003 said:cal83dls79 said:
If you recall he imposed massive tariffs on almost every other country so I'm not exactly sure what country will substitute for China especially the stuff companies need that can't be produced by Penguins. Americans will absorb those costs as well. I do take a little solace now knowing that some Americans are just figuring out how tariffs work (or don't) and where the application of them make sense and when they do not.
If you can recall, he rolled back the massive tariffs on almost every other country.
cal83dls79 said:so what was the point? To throw the world economy into chaos and destroy American credibility. I'm not a Rand Paul fan by any means but sometimes these Libertarians get stuff right. Google some of what he says about tarrifs. You can't run a country like a game and these "deals" trump said were flooding in are fiction. Can you name one?oski003 said:cal83dls79 said:
If you recall he imposed massive tariffs on almost every other country so I'm not exactly sure what country will substitute for China especially the stuff companies need that can't be produced by Penguins. Americans will absorb those costs as well. I do take a little solace now knowing that some Americans are just figuring out how tariffs work (or don't) and where the application of them make sense and when they do not.
If you can recall, he rolled back the massive tariffs on almost every other country.
what? Explain the goal post moving? If anyone is moving goal posts it is the trump tariff zealots. BTW I'm not having a great day.oski003 said:cal83dls79 said:so what was the point? To throw the world economy into chaos and destroy American credibility. I'm not a Rand Paul fan by any means but sometimes these Libertarians get stuff right. Google some of what he says about tarrifs. You can't run a country like a game and these "deals" trump said were flooding in are fiction. Can you name one?oski003 said:cal83dls79 said:
If you recall he imposed massive tariffs on almost every other country so I'm not exactly sure what country will substitute for China especially the stuff companies need that can't be produced by Penguins. Americans will absorb those costs as well. I do take a little solace now knowing that some Americans are just figuring out how tariffs work (or don't) and where the application of them make sense and when they do not.
If you can recall, he rolled back the massive tariffs on almost every other country.
As I said twice prior, I am not a fan of how aggressively we are pursuing this. Otherwise, you moved the goalpost on our discussion. Have a nice day.
not a great surprise. We did Boundary Oakbearister said:
"Yesterday was great because I got 18 out on Chabot golfing."
I grew up 2.5 miles from Lake Chabot GC. During summers starting at age 11 my Mom would drop me off in the morning and pick me up in the late afternoon (aka free daycare). A monthly ticket cost $10 and entitled you to play unlimited golf Monday through Friday.
When I was at Cal my buddy had a summer job on the graveyard shift watering the course. A bunch of us would go up there after midnight to visit him, smoke pot, drink and play night frisbee. I know every nook and cranny of the place and have only fond memories.
*Interestingly enough I never rode an ice block down the 18th fairway.
sycasey said:
There is a decent argument for detaching from China as a trading partner, but this approach is extremely rapid and likely to lead to a lot of economic pain, as businesses don't have time to adjust.
cal83dls79 said:uh, we are talking about 500B in imports. Let's just admit it, this is/was a bad move that he is going to unwind with some spin joboski003 said:cal83dls79 said:ok, so all Americans are paying the tariffs gotcha.oski003 said:cal83dls79 said:
tell that to importers and small businesses that import goods and sell them here to support their familes and whose businesses will be wiped out. Importers are paying the tarrifs not the Chinese government. But if you enjoy chaos have at it
While the importer pays the tariff, the costs can be passed on to consumers in the form of higher prices, and exporters may have to lower their prices to remain competitive. The importer can also buy from a country besides China.
There are only large tariffs when buying Chinese products. Most people can adjust without having daily meltdowns.
concordtom said:
One day, tariffs will be lifted and it will usher in a massive bull market. Yes, domestic supply adjustments will be felt, but the economy will suddenly be supplied with many cheaper inputs and this will result in building, hiring, and savings that can be used elsewhere.
DiabloWags said:cal83dls79 said:uh, we are talking about 500B in imports. Let's just admit it, this is/was a bad move that he is going to unwind with some spin joboski003 said:cal83dls79 said:ok, so all Americans are paying the tariffs gotcha.oski003 said:cal83dls79 said:
tell that to importers and small businesses that import goods and sell them here to support their familes and whose businesses will be wiped out. Importers are paying the tarrifs not the Chinese government. But if you enjoy chaos have at it
While the importer pays the tariff, the costs can be passed on to consumers in the form of higher prices, and exporters may have to lower their prices to remain competitive. The importer can also buy from a country besides China.
There are only large tariffs when buying Chinese products. Most people can adjust without having daily meltdowns.
Is that Oski again showing just how ignorant he is?
A fairly equipped $112,000 Chevy Z06 Corvette will cost $6,800 - $8,000 more.
But he's too dumb to comprehend why.
HINT: 27 - 29% of the car comes from OUTSIDE THE U.S.
I'm wondering if 03 is 1903 is when this guys class was. Hopefully he didn't go to cal because most of his arguments (reposts) are regurgitatedDiabloWags said:cal83dls79 said:uh, we are talking about 500B in imports. Let's just admit it, this is/was a bad move that he is going to unwind with some spin joboski003 said:cal83dls79 said:ok, so all Americans are paying the tariffs gotcha.oski003 said:cal83dls79 said:
tell that to importers and small businesses that import goods and sell them here to support their familes and whose businesses will be wiped out. Importers are paying the tarrifs not the Chinese government. But if you enjoy chaos have at it
While the importer pays the tariff, the costs can be passed on to consumers in the form of higher prices, and exporters may have to lower their prices to remain competitive. The importer can also buy from a country besides China.
There are only large tariffs when buying Chinese products. Most people can adjust without having daily meltdowns.
Is that Oski again showing just how ignorant he is?
A fairly equipped $112,000 Chevy Z06 Corvette will cost $6,800 - $8,000 more.
But he's too dumb to comprehend why.
HINT: 27 - 29% of the car comes from OUTSIDE THE U.S.
cal83dls79 said:I'm wondering if 03 is 1903 is when this guys class was. Hopefully he didn't go to cal because most of his arguments (reposts) are regurgitatedDiabloWags said:cal83dls79 said:uh, we are talking about 500B in imports. Let's just admit it, this is/was a bad move that he is going to unwind with some spin joboski003 said:cal83dls79 said:ok, so all Americans are paying the tariffs gotcha.oski003 said:cal83dls79 said:
tell that to importers and small businesses that import goods and sell them here to support their familes and whose businesses will be wiped out. Importers are paying the tarrifs not the Chinese government. But if you enjoy chaos have at it
While the importer pays the tariff, the costs can be passed on to consumers in the form of higher prices, and exporters may have to lower their prices to remain competitive. The importer can also buy from a country besides China.
There are only large tariffs when buying Chinese products. Most people can adjust without having daily meltdowns.
Is that Oski again showing just how ignorant he is?
A fairly equipped $112,000 Chevy Z06 Corvette will cost $6,800 - $8,000 more.
But he's too dumb to comprehend why.
HINT: 27 - 29% of the car comes from OUTSIDE THE U.S.
as a buyer sans punitive tariffs. Awesome. super glad you know loads about the secondary market for collector cars in the bay. Are you Jack Clark? But thanks for the insight. This would be considered a hobby with all due respect. These guys are throwing up lots of soft balls recentlyoski003 said:cal83dls79 said:I'm wondering if 03 is 1903 is when this guys class was. Hopefully he didn't go to cal because most of his arguments (reposts) are regurgitatedDiabloWags said:cal83dls79 said:uh, we are talking about 500B in imports. Let's just admit it, this is/was a bad move that he is going to unwind with some spin joboski003 said:cal83dls79 said:ok, so all Americans are paying the tariffs gotcha.oski003 said:cal83dls79 said:
tell that to importers and small businesses that import goods and sell them here to support their familes and whose businesses will be wiped out. Importers are paying the tarrifs not the Chinese government. But if you enjoy chaos have at it
While the importer pays the tariff, the costs can be passed on to consumers in the form of higher prices, and exporters may have to lower their prices to remain competitive. The importer can also buy from a country besides China.
There are only large tariffs when buying Chinese products. Most people can adjust without having daily meltdowns.
Is that Oski again showing just how ignorant he is?
A fairly equipped $112,000 Chevy Z06 Corvette will cost $6,800 - $8,000 more.
But he's too dumb to comprehend why.
HINT: 27 - 29% of the car comes from OUTSIDE THE U.S.
You are literally telling the person that reposts the same thing 10+ times that my "arguments (reposts) are regurgitated.". The dude even used the Corvette going up 6-8k when the large non-China Tarriffs were in effect and is now repeating the same thing with only the China Tarriffs in effect. He is stuck on repeat. Fyi, I worked as a buyer for more than 10 years. This isn't outside my expertise.
cal83dls79 said:as a buyer sans punitive tariffs. NOPE.oski003 said:cal83dls79 said:I'm wondering if 03 is 1903 is when this guys class was. Hopefully he didn't go to cal because most of his arguments (reposts) are regurgitatedDiabloWags said:cal83dls79 said:uh, we are talking about 500B in imports. Let's just admit it, this is/was a bad move that he is going to unwind with some spin joboski003 said:cal83dls79 said:ok, so all Americans are paying the tariffs gotcha.oski003 said:cal83dls79 said:
tell that to importers and small businesses that import goods and sell them here to support their familes and whose businesses will be wiped out. Importers are paying the tarrifs not the Chinese government. But if you enjoy chaos have at it
While the importer pays the tariff, the costs can be passed on to consumers in the form of higher prices, and exporters may have to lower their prices to remain competitive. The importer can also buy from a country besides China.
There are only large tariffs when buying Chinese products. Most people can adjust without having daily meltdowns.
Is that Oski again showing just how ignorant he is?
A fairly equipped $112,000 Chevy Z06 Corvette will cost $6,800 - $8,000 more.
But he's too dumb to comprehend why.
HINT: 27 - 29% of the car comes from OUTSIDE THE U.S.
You are literally telling the person that reposts the same thing 10+ times that my "arguments (reposts) are regurgitated.". The dude even used the Corvette going up 6-8k when the large non-China Tarriffs were in effect and is now repeating the same thing with only the China Tarriffs in effect. He is stuck on repeat. Fyi, I worked as a buyer for more than 10 years. This isn't outside my expertise.
Awesome. super glad you know loads about the secondary market for collector cars in the bay. NOPE.
Are you Jack Clark? NOPE.
But thanks for the insight. This would be considered a hobby with all due respect. N/A.
These guys are throwing up lots of soft balls recently.
NOPE.
seems like you know a lot about not much. Count me in!oski003 said:cal83dls79 said:as a buyer sans punitive tariffs. NOPE.oski003 said:cal83dls79 said:I'm wondering if 03 is 1903 is when this guys class was. Hopefully he didn't go to cal because most of his arguments (reposts) are regurgitatedDiabloWags said:cal83dls79 said:uh, we are talking about 500B in imports. Let's just admit it, this is/was a bad move that he is going to unwind with some spin joboski003 said:cal83dls79 said:ok, so all Americans are paying the tariffs gotcha.oski003 said:cal83dls79 said:
tell that to importers and small businesses that import goods and sell them here to support their familes and whose businesses will be wiped out. Importers are paying the tarrifs not the Chinese government. But if you enjoy chaos have at it
While the importer pays the tariff, the costs can be passed on to consumers in the form of higher prices, and exporters may have to lower their prices to remain competitive. The importer can also buy from a country besides China.
There are only large tariffs when buying Chinese products. Most people can adjust without having daily meltdowns.
Is that Oski again showing just how ignorant he is?
A fairly equipped $112,000 Chevy Z06 Corvette will cost $6,800 - $8,000 more.
But he's too dumb to comprehend why.
HINT: 27 - 29% of the car comes from OUTSIDE THE U.S.
You are literally telling the person that reposts the same thing 10+ times that my "arguments (reposts) are regurgitated.". The dude even used the Corvette going up 6-8k when the large non-China Tarriffs were in effect and is now repeating the same thing with only the China Tarriffs in effect. He is stuck on repeat. Fyi, I worked as a buyer for more than 10 years. This isn't outside my expertise.
Awesome. super glad you know loads about the secondary market for collector cars in the bay. NOPE.
Are you Jack Clark? NOPE.
But thanks for the insight. This would be considered a hobby with all due respect. N/A.
These guys are throwing up lots of soft balls recently.
NOPE.
See response above in caps. Thanks.
cal83dls79 said:so what was the point? To throw the world economy into chaos and destroy American credibility. I'm not a Rand Paul fan by any means but sometimes these Libertarians get stuff right. Google some of what he says about tarrifs. You can't run a country like a game and these "deals" trump said were flooding in are fiction. Can you name one?oski003 said:cal83dls79 said:
If you recall he imposed massive tariffs on almost every other country so I'm not exactly sure what country will substitute for China especially the stuff companies need that can't be produced by Penguins. Americans will absorb those costs as well. I do take a little solace now knowing that some Americans are just figuring out how tariffs work (or don't) and where the application of them make sense and when they do not.
If you can recall, he rolled back the massive tariffs on almost every other country.
DiabloWags said:sycasey said:
There is a decent argument for detaching from China as a trading partner, but this approach is extremely rapid and likely to lead to a lot of economic pain, as businesses don't have time to adjust.
The American Farmer voted against themselves a second time.
I guess they enjoy heading for Bankruptcy.
China has BANNED $27 Billion of annual purchases of U.S. Ag-Products.
They can get their soybeans from Brazil like they did last time around.
Those MAGA HAT wearing idiots in the Midwest are about to learn yet another PAINFUL LESSION.
DiabloWags said:concordtom said:
One day, tariffs will be lifted and it will usher in a massive bull market. Yes, domestic supply adjustments will be felt, but the economy will suddenly be supplied with many cheaper inputs and this will result in building, hiring, and savings that can be used elsewhere.
And how many people will lose their jobs before that happens Tom?
How many small businesses will have to fold and file for Bankruptcy Tom?
How many people will have to file for unemployment Tom?
How much will our debt soar as the economy weakens and safety-nets are used?
How much tax revenue will dry up during the Recession?
How many state and municipal governments will be running huge budget deficits because retail sales plummet and with it goes sales tax revenue?
How many first responders like Fire and Police will have to be layed-off Tom?
How high will the crime rate increase Tom?
How many non-profits will watch their donations dry up Tom?
We are seeing the single BIGGEST TAX INCREASE since 1968.
Roughly 2.4% of GDP.
The effective rate of these tariffs is 23+% and higher than that of the Smoot-Hawley Act in 1930.
There's nothing "good" about any of this.
concordtom said:
China shall have a 145% tax on ALL imports???
That's insane.
I asked ChatGPT what commonly used items Americans buy from China, so I might know to stock up on inventory.Quote:
Americans regularly buy a wide range of consumer goods from China. Many of these are everyday items found in homes, offices, and stores across the U.S. Some of the most common include:
### 1. **Electronics**
- Smartphones (including components for iPhones)
- Laptops, tablets, and accessories
- Televisions and monitors
- Small appliances like toasters, air fryers, and vacuums
- LED lighting and light fixtures
### 2. **Clothing and Footwear**
- T-shirts, jeans, jackets
- Shoes, boots, and sneakers
- Underwear and socks
- Hats, scarves, and gloves
### 3. **Toys and Games**
- Children's toys and dolls
- Board games
- Puzzles and educational toys
- Video game controllers and accessories
### 4. **Household Goods**
- Cookware and kitchen utensils
- Furniture (assembled and flat-pack)
- Bedding, curtains, and towels
- Storage containers and organizers
- Cleaning tools (brooms, mops, etc.)
### 5. **Tools and Hardware**
- Hand tools (wrenches, hammers, screwdrivers)
- Power tools and tool kits
- Nails, screws, fasteners
- Plumbing and electrical supplies
### 6. **Automotive Parts**
- Aftermarket car parts
- Tires and accessories
- Car phone holders, chargers, mats
### 7. **Personal Care Products**
- Hair dryers, electric shavers, toothbrushes
- Makeup brushes and organizers
- Nail clippers and tweezers
### 8. **Sporting Goods and Outdoor Gear**
- Bicycles and scooters
- Camping gear (tents, lanterns)
- Fitness equipment (dumbbells, yoga mats)
### 9. **School and Office Supplies**
- Pens, notebooks, folders
- Staplers, scissors, tape dispensers
- Printer ink and paper
### 10. **Holiday Decorations**
- Christmas lights and ornaments
- Halloween costumes
- Party supplies
Many of these products are designed or marketed by American companies but manufactured in China due to lower production costs. Let me know if you want to explore how this dependency has shifted in recent years due to tariffs or supply chain diversification.
TARIFFS: Mr Wonderful is done watching American entrepreneurs get steamrolled. If Chinese companies want access to our legal system, then it’s time we get access to theirs. Until then? 400% tariffs. pic.twitter.com/9JR5z34WxM
— @amuse (@amuse) April 11, 2025
bearister said:
The 25th Amendment outlines a procedure for temporary or permanent transfer of presidential powers when the president is deemed unable to discharge their duties, but it doesn't directly "remove" the president from office. Section 4 allows the vice president and a majority of the cabinet to declare the president unable to serve, triggering the transfer of power to the vice president as acting president. If the president disagrees, Congress must vote within 48 hours to determine if the president is truly unable to serve; a two-thirds vote in both houses confirms the vice president as acting president, while a failure to reach that threshold allows the president to resume their duties
movielover said:
Says the crew that protected the Autopen Presidency for four years.
movielover said:
Says the crew that protected the Autopen Presidency for four years.
Haloski said:movielover said:
Says the crew that protected the Autopen Presidency for four years.
It's 2025, buddy. Snap out of your BDS.
DiabloWags said:Haloski said:movielover said:
Says the crew that protected the Autopen Presidency for four years.
It's 2025, buddy. Snap out of your BDS.
Movie Clown.
Too dumb to understand that Trump used an AutoPen to pardon all of those "Patriots" from Jan. 6th
The AutoPen has been used going back to Thomas Jefferson.
It was patented in 1803.
Trump and his Maga Morons are idiots.
The Autopen: How the Robotic Pen Has Changed Presidential History | Shapell Manuscript Foundation
Presidents have used autopens for decades. Now Trump objects to Biden's use of one | AP News
movielover said:DiabloWags said:Haloski said:movielover said:
Says the crew that protected the Autopen Presidency for four years.
It's 2025, buddy. Snap out of your BDS.
Movie Clown.
Too dumb to understand that Trump used an AutoPen to pardon all of those "Patriots" from Jan. 6th
The AutoPen has been used going back to Thomas Jefferson.
It was patented in 1803.
Trump and his Maga Morons are idiots.
The Autopen: How the Robotic Pen Has Changed Presidential History | Shapell Manuscript Foundation
Presidents have used autopens for decades. Now Trump objects to Biden's use of one | AP News
I thought Compulsive TDS Thread Creator DiabloSchmendrik had me on Ignore?