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B.A. Bearacus said:
I feel that change will only come when some sick person kills a minimum of 500 people (not including himself) in one session, but that new record would have to be a big jump from the previous USA record at the time so that it's not just an incremental increase. It would have to be a minimum of 500 killed and break a previous record that was still under 100. I think in that scenario there's a chance Republicans in Congress would be ready to contribute to a solution.
It's actually really small dollars. $16B represents less than 0.01% of GDP but somehow has a stranglehold on the GOP. I don't think it's just about the campaign contributions either because the numbers aren't that big. The alignment is ideological and relationship based and is quite ingrained at this point.bearister said:
$13.5 billion
Annual revenue of gun and ammunition manufacturing industry, with a $1.5 billion profit. (IBIS World)
$3.1 billion
Annual revenue of gun and ammunition stores, with a $478.4 million profit. (IBIS World)
Follow the money. It wouldn't matter if someone took out an entire football stadium.
https://www.cnn.com/2013/09/16/us/20-deadliest-mass-shootings-in-u-s-history-fast-facts/index.html
B.A. Bearacus said:
I feel that change will only come when some sick person kills a minimum of 500 people (not including himself) in one session, but that new record would have to be a big jump from the previous USA record at the time so that it's not just an incremental increase. It would have to be a minimum of 500 killed and break a previous record that was still under 100. I think in that scenario there's a chance Republicans in Congress would be ready to contribute to a solution.
You forgot (E) Start arming black lives matter and other minority rights groups.Another Bear said:B.A. Bearacus said:
I feel that change will only come when some sick person kills a minimum of 500 people (not including himself) in one session, but that new record would have to be a big jump from the previous USA record at the time so that it's not just an incremental increase. It would have to be a minimum of 500 killed and break a previous record that was still under 100. I think in that scenario there's a chance Republicans in Congress would be ready to contribute to a solution.
500 might not be enough. The American public has been desensitized to mass shootings.
The ways I see the collaboration ending are:
a) The GOP die as a party.
b) Mass shooting at a NRA convention. Everyone carrying couldn't stop it. 500 die.
c) Current leadership dies off and there's a vacuum, during another crisis, like the GOP dying.
d) Newer, better, cheaper killing technology emerges.
BearNIt said:
If Congress had to spend one weekend a month at a level I trauma center dealing with the carnage of gun violence weekend after weekend, their attitudes would change.
Anarchistbear said:
Why do you think it is only the right that wants second amendment rights? There are many newly formed militias on the left opposed to gun control. Let freedom ring.
Quote:
[In 1996, the Dickey Amendment] declared that "none of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) may be used to advocate or promote gun control."
While the rule itself does not directly block research on gun violence, it was signed into law along with an earmark that drained money from CDC programs to study gun violence. The $2.6 million in funding originally intended for the program was redirected elsewhere. Since then, the amendment has created a strong chilling effect in the way funding is distributed as well as a lost generation of researchers who study gun violence... In academia, where funding shapes careers, relatively few researchers are willing to stake theirs on studying the issue. [Source: Newsweek]
Like my grandfather said, "A hard head makes a soft behind." How scared of the NRA do you have to be to get shot by some nut with a high powered weapon and almost die to think and do nothing about access to guns? Wasn't the NRA involved with somebody from Russia. I guess even Russians can be ardent supporters of the NRA.okaydo said:BearNIt said:
If Congress had to spend one weekend a month at a level I trauma center dealing with the carnage of gun violence weekend after weekend, their attitudes would change.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/after-nearly-dying-from-a-bullet-steve-scalise-r-la_us_59d4f236e4b0da85e7f5ed51
Because the numbers supporting it from the left aren't the problem.Anarchistbear said:
Why do you think it is only the right that wants second amendment rights? There are many newly formed militias on the left opposed to gun control. Let freedom ring.
https://www.redneckrevolt.org
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/5gk85a/huey-does-dallas-0000552-v22n1
I'm pretty sure I'm with the left.Anarchistbear said:
You make it sound like I'm criticizing this trend. I support it and the left is not the Democrats, that's the center.
I take it you weren't around when James Brady was shot. There's a generation that has already been at this, and we're farther from gun control than we were then.sycasey said:
I think yes, but that's because I'm still in my 30s. It will take another generation to break this stranglehold from the gun lobby.
I think the current younger generation values collective security more than personal freedom. They are not in charge yet, but they will be eventually.drizzlybears brother said:I take it you weren't around when James Brady was shot. There's a generation that has already been at this, and we're farther from gun control than we were then.sycasey said:
I think yes, but that's because I'm still in my 30s. It will take another generation to break this stranglehold from the gun lobby.
More likely, we're a generation away from being handed a gun at birth.
Maybe we need a Constitutional amendment that the right to bear arms is for well regulated state militias.Anarchistbear said:
Not talking about Democrats, talking about Left. And militias on the Left are not bad.
sp4149 said:
Maybe we need a Constitutional amendment that the right to bear arms ...