I really felt that Fernando would pull this out for his mom. He and Cal were sabotaged by inexcusable penalties. Need to clean that crap up!

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My immediate reaction is:

The defense did its job.
The punting did their job.
Mendoza (with exception to not passing on the final play, did his job)
The running backs did their job.
The Oline completely self-destructed everytime they got near the 10 and cost us the game along with...
Field goal kicking cost us this game. Two should be kicks, missed.

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Disagree. How did defense do its job against this shyte team? How many 3rd downs did they allow?

Before we bury our kicker - lest we forget that he was the only points scorer. And yes he missed two but - we can't score a touchdown against this lot? It's all on the coaches. We did not seem prepared. FSU approached this game as a pride game. We approached as just another game. This would have knocked FSU out for the season. We blew it.

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The defense was solid. Full stop.

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14 points should be enough for the offense to beat.

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chazzed said:

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philly1121 said:

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golden sloth said:

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My immediate reaction is:

The defense did its job.
The punting did their job.
Mendoza (with exception to not passing on the final play, did his job)
The running backs did their job.
The Oline completely self-destructed everytime they got near the 10 and cost us the game along with...
Field goal kicking cost us this game. Two should be kicks, missed.

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Disagree. How did defense do its job against this shyte team? How many 3rd downs did they allow?

Before we bury our kicker - lest we forget that he was the only points scorer. And yes he missed two but - we can't score a touchdown against this lot? It's all on the coaches. We did not seem prepared. FSU approached this game as a pride game. We approached as just another game. This would have knocked FSU out for the season. We blew it.

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The defense was solid. Full stop.

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14 points should be enough for the offense to beat.

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We all know this and yet Wilcox plays with a 2 point lead like it's 20

I understand people are upset (and this game was ugly) but Cal has played 2 of it's toughest 3 games based on defensive talent this year and is currently 3-1 and they have a very good chance of winning this one. This offense will look better (whether it's coaching or not) when they are not facing SEC athletes on the d-line.

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I understand people are upset (and this game was ugly) but Cal has played 2 of it's toughest 3 games based on defensive talent this year and is currently 3-1 and they have a very good chance of winning this one. This offense will look better (whether it's coaching or not) when they are not facing SEC athletes on the d-line.

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2 other ACC teams and Memphis beat this squad, it's not like Pitt will have scrubs on defense compared to FSU

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It's 4th down, you literally can't hold the ball. Who is coaching these guys?

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He needed 16 yards and they brought 7 against 6 blockers. You shouldn't be in that position in the first place because then the defense gets to do that.

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Yeah I mean what the **** was that blocking scheme? This is us tho. Right when we think we're about to have a moment - we sh*t the bed.

My only other thought would be - in these contexts - would it have been better if we had Chandler in because he can actually run? I don't know. What a long flight back this must be.

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Fernando can run. There was no chance on that play with a guy coming unblocked.

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True but you put Rogers in the shotgun I guarantee they're not bringing the house. Doesn't matter. We L'd

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I mean, the real problem was the OL getting flagged AGAIN and putting us in long distance in the red zone AGAIN. If that doesn't happen then we stand a much better chance.

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I don't know why it's so difficult for people to understand this.

2nd and 5. We have the ability to run three times if we wanted.

2md and 10, Dline is pinning their ears back.

Those 5 yards changed everything. You simply cannot cannot cannot have a false start there.

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And it also happened repeatedly on the previous drive (plus an unnecessary hold for good measure), also resulting in no points. Why we lost.

Bloech is a FCS caliber coach. When Spavital left , Wilcox should've went after someone else within the PAC as it was disintegrating.

Wilcox and bloesch need to re-examine what they're doing in the red zone.

I have to watch the tape again, but I feel like they start turtling. But I'm not sure.

Whatever it is, they need to fix it. 5 red zones and 6 points is beyond bad

One bright spot the brilliant things I learned from the announcers: "It's a game of inches. But sometimes those inches turn into points." Insights like this made the game so worthwhile.


That was the worst "color" I've ever heard.

Offensive line and offensive playcalling. They were the difference. Coe's missed kicks were killer, though. It's time to tell him he's our long ball specialist and give the next guy everything inside of 50. You can't miss those.

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I understand people are upset (and this game was ugly) but Cal has played 2 of it's toughest 3 games based on defensive talent this year and is currently 3-1 and they have a very good chance of winning this one. This offense will look better (whether it's coaching or not) when they are not facing SEC athletes on the d-line.

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FSU and Auburn are going to have 10-12 wins combined this year. They're bad with a lot talent. We're bad with a lot less talent. Is that better?

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It's 4th down, you literally can't hold the ball. Who is coaching these guys?

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He needed 16 yards and they brought 7 against 6 blockers. You shouldn't be in that position in the first place because then the defense gets to do that.

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Yeah I mean what the **** was that blocking scheme? This is us tho. Right when we think we're about to have a moment - we sh*t the bed.

My only other thought would be - in these contexts - would it have been better if we had Chandler in because he can actually run? I don't know. What a long flight back this must be.

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Fernando can run. There was no chance on that play with a guy coming unblocked.

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True but you put Rogers in the shotgun I guarantee they're not bringing the house. Doesn't matter. We L'd

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I mean, the real problem was the OL getting flagged AGAIN and putting us in long distance in the red zone AGAIN. If that doesn't happen then we stand a much better chance.

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I don't know why it's so difficult for people to understand this.

2nd and 5. We have the ability to run three times if we wanted.

2md and 10, Dline is pinning their ears back.

Those 5 yards changed everything. You simply cannot cannot cannot have a false start there.

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And it also happened repeatedly on the previous drive (plus an unnecessary hold for good measure), also resulting in no points. Why we lost.

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It's absolutely why we lost.

Can't blame the defense. Can't blame the kicker. If he were 4-5, that's a good outcome and that still doesn't win it. Can't expect him to be 5-5.

Whenever we run motion, something always looks off. I'm sorry but that's coaching.

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Offensive line and offensive playcalling. They were the difference. Coe's missed kicks were killer, though. It's time to tell him he's our long ball specialist and give the next guy everything inside of 50. You can't miss those.

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The second missed field goal looked like it was blocked.

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Offensive line and offensive playcalling. They were the difference. Coe's missed kicks were killer, though. It's time to tell him he's our long ball specialist and give the next guy everything inside of 50. You can't miss those.

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The second missed field goal looked like it was blocked.

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One of the FSU guys seemed to be celebrating like he touched it.

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Whenever we run motion, something always looks off. I'm sorry but that's coaching.

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I've never seen a team have so much trouble with the motion guy knowing when the ball is being snapped.

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F wilcox. sebatsa and our fan base built us up. hes such a loser. fire him at the tarmac. we will NEVER get anywhere with him. never. ****

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He needs more time to get his guys in there.

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8 more years? I'll be ****ing dead by then!

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Offensive line and offensive playcalling. They were the difference. Coe's missed kicks were killer, though. It's time to tell him he's our long ball specialist and give the next guy everything inside of 50. You can't miss those.

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Was the last missed FG tipped?

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Offensive line and offensive playcalling. They were the difference. Coe's missed kicks were killer, though. It's time to tell him he's our long ball specialist and give the next guy everything inside of 50. You can't miss those.

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The second missed field goal looked like it was blocked.

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On the replay it also looked like it might have been good anyway.

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Offensive line and offensive playcalling. They were the difference. Coe's missed kicks were killer, though. It's time to tell him he's our long ball specialist and give the next guy everything inside of 50. You can't miss those.

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The second missed field goal looked like it was blocked.

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On the replay it also looked like it might have been good anyway.

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It was the kind of kick where you want to see the camera view from under the uprights.

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Can't blame the defense. Can't blame the kicker. If he were 4-5, that's a good outcome and that still doesn't win it. Can't expect him to be 5-5.

Whenever we run motion, something always looks off. I'm sorry but that's coaching.

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Truth. "We would've won if Coe was 5 for 5" is a bonkers statement. Although true.
The D gave up 14 points. That's a great day.
We lost because the O couldn't finish drives.

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I understand people are upset (and this game was ugly) but Cal has played 2 of it's toughest 3 games based on defensive talent this year and is currently 3-1 and they have a very good chance of winning this one. This offense will look better (whether it's coaching or not) when they are not facing SEC athletes on the d-line.

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The offense will look better playing against teams that handily beat this FSU squad?

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Offensive line and offensive playcalling. They were the difference. Coe's missed kicks were killer, though. It's time to tell him he's our long ball specialist and give the next guy everything inside of 50. You can't miss those.

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Was the last missed FG tipped?

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Even if it was it had plenty of distance and didn't look wonky, it just got pushed right, again. Just my opinion. Maybe it did affect the trajectory, it's not on Coe if it did. If so, then it's on the fact they we don't have a special teams coach.

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Wilcox and bloesch need to re-examine what they're doing in the red zone.

I have to watch the tape again, but I feel like they start turtling. But I'm not sure.

Whatever it is, they need to fix it. 5 red zones and 6 points is beyond bad

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6 red zones counting the final drive, 2 missed FGs, one turn over on downs, 3 made FGs.

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Offensive line and offensive playcalling. They were the difference. Coe's missed kicks were killer, though. It's time to tell him he's our long ball specialist and give the next guy everything inside of 50. You can't miss those.

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Was the last missed FG tipped?

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Even if it was it had plenty of distance and didn't look wonky, it just got pushed right, again. Just my opinion. Maybe it did affect the trajectory, it's not on Coe if it did. If so, then it's on the fact they we don't have a special teams coach.

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The top appeared to change the trajectory to make it wider.

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So we don't have a dedicated special teams or Oline coach. Hows that working out?

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This ^^^

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I understand people are upset (and this game was ugly) but Cal has played 2 of it's toughest 3 games based on defensive talent this year and is currently 3-1 and they have a very good chance of winning this one. This offense will look better (whether it's coaching or not) when they are not facing SEC athletes on the d-line.

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The offense will look better playing against teams that handily beat this FSU squad?

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We don't play any of the teams that beat FSU this year actually. And after years of Wilcox you should realize that the only thing he's consistent at is being inconsistent (well, and apparently losing to winless teams during the season).

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I understand people are upset (and this game was ugly) but Cal has played 2 of it's toughest 3 games based on defensive talent this year and is currently 3-1 and they have a very good chance of winning this one. This offense will look better (whether it's coaching or not) when they are not facing SEC athletes on the d-line.

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The offense will look better playing against teams that handily beat this FSU squad?

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We don't play any of the teams that beat FSU this year actually. And after years of Wilcox you should realize that the only thing he's consistent at is being inconsistent (well, and apparently losing to winless teams during the season).

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After today, I have doubts we can beat Syracuse or SMU. And with Furd's game on Friday, it's not clear we can even keep the axe this year

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I understand people are upset (and this game was ugly) but Cal has played 2 of it's toughest 3 games based on defensive talent this year and is currently 3-1 and they have a very good chance of winning this one. This offense will look better (whether it's coaching or not) when they are not facing SEC athletes on the d-line.

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The offense will look better playing against teams that handily beat this FSU squad?

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Man I am looking forward to Cal facing off against Georgia Tech/Boston College and Memphis this season!

I think we need to be realistic. Yes, we lost in a pitiful fashion to an 0-3 team. However, I think the D played as well as it could and except for the penalties, the O did as much as the talent allows. We are 3-1 in spite of a subpar OL. That has not changed since Davis and it won't for the rest of the season. We are not a natty caliber team so 12-0 was never likely. FSU is not a good team but it's not like they've been blown out so far. They just don't look like a typical FSU team

I do think we need re-think Ott for now. He looks tentative out there. The play calling of course can always be improved but we are not that bad. I'm still thinking maybe 8-4 because after Miami and Pitt, every game is winnable and not every team has FSU's D. Our D will give everybody trouble except maybe Miami.

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I think we need to be realistic. Yes, we lost in a pitiful fashion to an 0-3 team. However, I think the D played as well as it could and except for the penalties, the O did as much as the talent allows. We are 3-1 in spite of a subpar OL. That has not changed since Davis and it won't for the rest of the season. We are not a natty caliber team so 12-0 was never likely. FSU is not a good team but it's not like they've been blown out so far. They just don't look like a typical FSU team

I do think we need re-think Ott for now. He looks tentative out there. The play calling of course can always be improved but we are not that bad. I'm still thinking maybe 8-4 because after Miami and Pitt, every game is winnable and not every team has FSU's D. Our D will give everybody trouble except maybe Miami.

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Every defense is sending everyone after Ott right now, wherever he goes. Unless we are going to get more creative with him, he needs to be a decoy until that stops.

I agree but that's true of a lot of teams with star RBs. With our OL, it's not much of a decoy. Nobody is worried about our running game.

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I think we need to be realistic. Yes, we lost in a pitiful fashion to an 0-3 team. However, I think the D played as well as it could and except for the penalties, the O did as much as the talent allows. We are 3-1 in spite of a subpar OL. That has not changed since Davis and it won't for the rest of the season. We are not a natty caliber team so 12-0 was never likely. FSU is not a good team but it's not like they've been blown out so far. They just don't look like a typical FSU team

I do think we need re-think Ott for now. He looks tentative out there. The play calling of course can always be improved but we are not that bad. I'm still thinking maybe 8-4 because after Miami and Pitt, every game is winnable and not every team has FSU's D. Our D will give everybody trouble except maybe Miami.

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Yeah, to me, this was an 8-4 team at best, so Cal has to lose to 4 times throughout the year. Nobody bar Miami feels like a game where Cal is going to be out athlete to a significant degree. Pitt looks good but they didn't exactly destroy WVU and Cincinnati

Agree but, if he's gimpy, there's a difference between a decoy, drawing an extra guy in the box, and passing (Auburn) vs a decoy, drawing an extra guy in the box, and giving him the ball (FSU)

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I think we need to be realistic. Yes, we lost in a pitiful fashion to an 0-3 team. However, I think the D played as well as it could and except for the penalties, the O did as much as the talent allows. We are 3-1 in spite of a subpar OL. That has not changed since Davis and it won't for the rest of the season. We are not a natty caliber team so 12-0 was never likely. FSU is not a good team but it's not like they've been blown out so far. They just don't look like a typical FSU team

I do think we need re-think Ott for now. He looks tentative out there. The play calling of course can always be improved but we are not that bad. I'm still thinking maybe 8-4 because after Miami and Pitt, every game is winnable and not every team has FSU's D. Our D will give everybody trouble except maybe Miami.

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Every defense is sending everyone after Ott right now, wherever he goes. Unless we are going to get more creative with him, he needs to be a decoy until that stops.

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Exactly. It isn't rocket science. If they are going to sell out to stop him, every play should start with a fake to him, with us marching downfield and scoring TDs until they stop keying on him. This is the problem with making an OL guy your OC.

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I think we need to be realistic. Yes, we lost in a pitiful fashion to an 0-3 team. However, I think the D played as well as it could and except for the penalties, the O did as much as the talent allows. We are 3-1 in spite of a subpar OL. That has not changed since Davis and it won't for the rest of the season. We are not a natty caliber team so 12-0 was never likely. FSU is not a good team but it's not like they've been blown out so far. They just don't look like a typical FSU team

I do think we need re-think Ott for now. He looks tentative out there. The play calling of course can always be improved but we are not that bad. I'm still thinking maybe 8-4 because after Miami and Pitt, every game is winnable and not every team has FSU's D. Our D will give everybody trouble except maybe Miami.

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Yeah, to me, this was an 8-4 team at best, so Cal has to lose to 4 times throughout the year. Nobody bar Miami feels like a game where Cal is going to be out athlete to a significant degree. Pitt looks good but they didn't exactly destroy WVU and Cincinnati

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It was an opportunity to do better and be better than that, but we are squandering it with this coaching staff.