I don't know how it happens with the luxury tax and all of that, but can anyone else see Clay and Kevin getting together with their injuries and deciding to come back just for a playoff run next year? They should be so giddy to say FO to the rest of the league for thinking they were not IT still.

All these other teams making moves to try and create a winner. Yo, our boys don't need to do any of that. They already have a winner. They just need to be healthy, and figure out the money with management.

The grass is often greener.

With their obvious cap issues, Klay out for a good portion of next season (assuming he accepts a max offer to stay), and similar but longer situation with KD, Meyers, Kerr and the scouting staff will need use their mid-level exception well and hit on somebody talented who can contribute with their first round pick (#28 overall) and possibly buy a pick in the second that can contribute.

I love Looney but he is a FA as well. Hope they can figure out a way to keep him. Would be great if they could develop Damion Jones, who I believe will still be on his rookie deal, into a quality (and physically stronger) rim protector, rebounder and pnr guy for lobs at the rim.

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Can Draymond and Curry and Iggy and a cast full of other people make an eight seed? Absolutely.

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The "other people" people will have to include some awfully good new players. Other than Cousins (assuming he continues to get quicker and builds up his endurance) and Looney, I don't see current roster players who will get this trio to the top 8 in the West.

The NBA is stronger from top to bottom now than ever before.

There should be plenty of regular season playing time for a host of new young fresh applicants to win playoff role jobs alongside the studs.

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Should have been arrested.

I wonder why not

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Maybe cooler heads prevailed, and some situational awareness.

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Is that what battery is called these days?

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Maybe you shouldn't jump to conclusions.

And in this video, at 00:20, you can see the credential in his hand just moments before the altercation

Sure as hell wouldn't be the first time a cop lied.

cal83dls79 said:

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Sounds like Lacob is putting max deals on the table for Klay and KD. I can't see either guy declining those offers. Can anyone?

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Warriors can offer significantly more than anyone else, as the (retaining) hometown team, right?

Read this:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiup5XpgeriAhWPuZ4KHZfHDCEQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwarriorswire.usatoday.com%2F2019%2F02%2F20%2Fgolden-state-warriors-salary-klay-thompson-kevin-durant%2F&psig=AOvVaw0GLeAIxK521lI0nm4MdqIh&ust=1560637486194233

In 2017-18, they finished $16.8 million above the luxury tax threshold for a tax payment of $34.5 million. This season they had a $145 million payroll and finished $21.7 million above the threshold for a tax payment of $51.5 million. That is $196.8 million in payroll and luxury tax combined.

If Ws sign both to max:

The Warriors have been taxpayers in three of the past four seasons, designating them as a repeater tax team next season. If they go all out in maximizing the amount of money they could potentially spend, it could be fascinating for Golden State this summer.

In this scenario, both Durant ($38.2 million) and Thompson ($32.7 million) are on maximum deals. Shaun Livingston who may retire is waived and stretched and Kevon Looney is re-signed to a slightly above market-value starting salary. They also signed their 2019 pick and utilized the taxpayer mid-level exception ($5.7 million) as well.

With this exercise, they have a projected payroll of $168.8 million and a repeater luxury tax payment of $175 million for a combined $343.9 million in total expenses.

The implications of the repeater tax will be a huge factor for the Warriors front office in negotiations with their players.

The above means the luxury tax penalty would be more than the (huge) salaries.

And all that money goes to other owners, no? What owner would want to do that?

TheFiatLux said:

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GBear4Life said:

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okaydo said:

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I wonder why not

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Maybe cooler heads prevailed, and some situational awareness.

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I agree. I hope they don't make this a thing

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Read this:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiup5XpgeriAhWPuZ4KHZfHDCEQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwarriorswire.usatoday.com%2F2019%2F02%2F20%2Fgolden-state-warriors-salary-klay-thompson-kevin-durant%2F&psig=AOvVaw0GLeAIxK521lI0nm4MdqIh&ust=1560637486194233

In 2017-18, they finished $16.8 million above the luxury tax threshold for a tax payment of $34.5 million. This season they had a $145 million payroll and finished $21.7 million above the threshold for a tax payment of $51.5 million. That is $196.8 million in payroll and luxury tax combined.

If Ws sign both to max:

The Warriors have been taxpayers in three of the past four seasons, designating them as a repeater tax team next season. If they go all out in maximizing the amount of money they could potentially spend, it could be fascinating for Golden State this summer.

In this scenario, both Durant ($38.2 million) and Thompson ($32.7 million) are on maximum deals. Shaun Livingston who may retire is waived and stretched and Kevon Looney is re-signed to a slightly above market-value starting salary. They also signed their 2019 pick and utilized the taxpayer mid-level exception ($5.7 million) as well.

With this exercise, they have a projected payroll of $168.8 million and a repeater luxury tax payment of $175 million for a combined $343.9 million in total expenses.

The implications of the repeater tax will be a huge factor for the Warriors front office in negotiations with their players.

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They were aware of this years ahead of you, and don't seem to care. From February:

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The Warriors have put together one of the greatest rosters ever. But keeping it together for another three or four years would potentially cost Lacob and his ownership group upward of $300 million a year in salary and luxury-tax costs while most of the main players age past their primes.

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"We can do whatever we want (financially)," Lacob said. "And you should expect that that's not going to be a reason this team doesn't stay great going forward. We have the capital to pay our players what they deserve. And we will.

"That's not really the issue. The issue is more about people have to want to play here and it's on us to make it a great environment."

Are the Warriors concentrating on those looming challenges beyond this season specifically the teams that seem to be targeting Durant and Thompson?

"I mean, theoretically yes, but I'm not really worried about it," Lacob said. "All we can do is be the best organization we can, treat players the best we can, provide the best environment, have the best management, have a great arena. I mean, all the things we do. The culture of the organization, I think, speaks for itself. Then the chips fall where they may.

"I think we'll continue to have a good team if not a great team and try to hopefully be a title-contending team for as long as we can. We'll be aggressive. Nobody's going to outspend us. Nobody's going to outwork us.

"I can't control what a free agent might do. Logically, I know what they should do, which is stay with us, but I can't say what they're going to do, so they'll do what they're going to do. And we'll have contingency plans; if somebody leaves, we'll do what we've gotta do."

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https://theathletic.com/791116/2019/02/03/kawakami-joe-lacob-on-the-warriors-long-term-future-well-be-aggressive-nobodys-going-to-outspend-us/

No question' Klay Thompson will re-sign with Warriors, father says - SFChronicle.com


https://www.sfchronicle.com/warriors/article/No-question-Klay-Thompson-will-re-sign-with-13998504.php

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cal83dls79 said:

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Sounds like Lacob is putting max deals on the table for Klay and KD. I can't see either guy declining those offers. Can anyone?

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Except they could get those deals from other teams too.

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uh he can't. from what I understand the dubs can offer KD 5 years, the others only 4. The dubs can offer him the most $$ with longer term.

cal83dls79 said:

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sycasey said:

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cal83dls79 said:

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Sounds like Lacob is putting max deals on the table for Klay and KD. I can't see either guy declining those offers. Can anyone?

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Except they could get those deals from other teams too.

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uh he can't. from what I understand the dubs can offer KD 5 years, the others only 4. The dubs can offer him the most $$ with longer term.

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Not only can they give kd the most money (and an extra year) but they can't sign anyone else even if they don't sign KD.

Thus there is a huge incentive to re-sign kd.

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cal83dls79 said:

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cal83dls79 said:

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Sounds like Lacob is putting max deals on the table for Klay and KD. I can't see either guy declining those offers. Can anyone?

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Except they could get those deals from other teams too.

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uh he can't. from what I understand the dubs can offer KD 5 years, the others only 4. The dubs can offer him the most $$ with longer term.

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Not only can they give kd the most money (and an extra year) but they can't sign anyone else even if they don't sign KD.

Thus there is a huge incentive to re-sign kd.

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right ducky23, so in an odd way and quite tragic way the dubs can amortize his "off" year in a five year deal that other teams can't. I think Klay will take 5 years at $188 and retire in the Bay with Rocco.

cal83dls79 said:

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ducky23 said:

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cal83dls79 said:

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sycasey said:

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cal83dls79 said:

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Sounds like Lacob is putting max deals on the table for Klay and KD. I can't see either guy declining those offers. Can anyone?

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Except they could get those deals from other teams too.

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uh he can't. from what I understand the dubs can offer KD 5 years, the others only 4. The dubs can offer him the most $$ with longer term.

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Not only can they give kd the most money (and an extra year) but they can't sign anyone else even if they don't sign KD.

Thus there is a huge incentive to re-sign kd.

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right ducky23, so in an odd way and quite tragic way the dubs can amortize his "off" year in a five year deal that other teams can't. I think Klay will take 5 years at $188 and retire in the Bay with Rocco.

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Given all of this, there might be an argument for tanking the next season and getting a better draft pick, then coming back strong the year after. I doubt ownership would want to tank in their first season in the fancy new stadium though.

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cal83dls79 said:

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ducky23 said:

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cal83dls79 said:

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sycasey said:

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cal83dls79 said:

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Sounds like Lacob is putting max deals on the table for Klay and KD. I can't see either guy declining those offers. Can anyone?

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Except they could get those deals from other teams too.

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uh he can't. from what I understand the dubs can offer KD 5 years, the others only 4. The dubs can offer him the most $$ with longer term.

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Not only can they give kd the most money (and an extra year) but they can't sign anyone else even if they don't sign KD.

Thus there is a huge incentive to re-sign kd.

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right ducky23, so in an odd way and quite tragic way the dubs can amortize his "off" year in a five year deal that other teams can't. I think Klay will take 5 years at $188 and retire in the Bay with Rocco.

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Given all of this, there might be an argument for tanking the next season and getting a better draft pick, then coming back strong the year after. I doubt ownership would want to tank in their first season in the fancy new stadium though.

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I've heard that a lot since last night and I think it's the smart move (though obviously not what will happen).

After what happened this year, I don't think there's any way you can risk playing either KD or Klay in next year's playoff. Just can't risk another repeat of this year. Better to rest both and have them come back in 2021 fully healthy.

So without those two, next year is hopeless (maybe they can sneak into an 7-8 seed and get bounced in the first round)

So it's much smarter to tank a bit and get at least a top 10 pick. A top 10 pick would be an invaluable commodity for the warriors because when you have three max guys (possibly 4 - depending on Draymond) an inexpensive top 10 pick is manna from heaven). If you can hit on that top 10 pick, you set yourself up for another 5 year run.

So I'd like to see them bring in a bunch of cheap guys next year, give them serious run and see if there are any keepers. And then rest dray, Iggy and Steph. And see if you can sneak into a top draft pick.

Livingston retires, Cousins moves on ...

G: Steph Curry
G:
F: Draymond Green
F: Andre Iguodala (at 36)
C: Kevon Looney

Bench: Alfonso McKinnie, Quinn Cook, Jordan Bell, Jonas Jerebko, Jacob Evans, Damian Jones, Damion Lee, Marcus Derrickson

If Looney takes a bigger contract, Jones is your center.

Iguodala can't play 82 games, or 30 minutes a game.

So who's going to score? With that lineup, the defense completely focuses on a 30-year-old Steph.

wrong to assumes KD comes back to 100%. it's been years and D Rose is still not the same player he was and he was injured at a much earlier age.

ClayK said:

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Livingston retires, Cousins moves on ...

G: Steph Curry
G:
F: Draymond Green
F: Andre Iguodala (at 36)
C: Kevon Looney

Bench: Alfonso McKinnie, Quinn Cook, Jordan Bell, Jonas Jerebko, Jacob Evans, Damian Jones, Damion Lee, Marcus Derrickson

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That bench is terrible, and I don't even like any of the 3 bench rotation players pf McKinney, cook and jerebko. None of them could defend

People thought losing klay was bad for the Ws offense (it was), but it was just as bad for the Ws defense.

HoopDreams said:

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ClayK said:

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Livingston retires, Cousins moves on ...

G: Steph Curry
G:
F: Draymond Green
F: Andre Iguodala (at 36)
C: Kevon Looney

Bench: Alfonso McKinnie, Quinn Cook, Jordan Bell, Jonas Jerebko, Jacob Evans, Damian Jones, Damion Lee, Marcus Derrickson

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That bench is terrible, and I don't even like any of the 3 bench rotation players pf McKinney, cook and jerebko. None of them could defend

People thought losing klay was bad for the Ws offense (it was), but it was just as bad for the Ws defense.

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I could see McKinnie being a good defender, but he's also a liability on offense unless his shot gets better.

Basically, they need to draft well and use the mid-level exception wisely. Even with that it will be a lost season next year, with the ceiling probably being a second round exit.

I think the playoff injuries and bonding these injuries are creating... will help sway KD to resign the Super Max with GSW with the "Let's do it again" as their theme for the 2020/21 season.

2019/20 becomes the "on pause" season as the team has the R n R.

then prepares for the "Were Back" 2020/21 season.

Kinda like when MJ did his baseball for my Dad (gambling) leave.... and led the Bulls for their 2nd 3 peat run after his return.


NBA will still get headlines this summer..

Will Kawhi resign with Raptors or Clippers?
Will KD resign with GSW?
Will Lakers trade for AD?
Will Zion be impact player his rookie season?

goGSW
goBears

Back to the playoffs for a moment, I could find very little discussion of Thursday's game 6, and none on the last play. At the time, I was struck by the Warriors' decision to go for the three. Before the play, I was thinking, "We have 9 seconds in the front court and we are down one point. So a two pointer or three pointer can win the game, and a free throw can tie it and at least get us to overtime. My play would have been a drive to the basket. The shot would be aggressively defended by Toronto, but still possible, and if they are too aggressive, we might get a foul called and a trip to the line, where we can win or tie. Toronto would likely try to defend that shot by playing tough defense before the shot. I don't remember if fouls at that point were one and one or not, but there we might get at least a free throw to tie.

The shot Curry took, running laterally, catching the pass and turning and firing is a shot he makes often, but this time with three defenders closing on him, he looked to me like he had to hurry the shot, and he looked a little off-balance as he went up. His release is so quick, because he is shooting as soon as his feet leave the floor, so he he did get an open look in between the three defenders. That brings up another point, and that is with three defenders on Curry, there are two other Warriors left wide open. I wish I had recorded the game to replay the last play a few times,

I don't understand taking a lower percentage shot, the three, to win the game, when you only need two to win it, even if the shooter is Curry.. There was plenty of time to set up a play for a path to the hoop. If you drive to the hoop, you are likely going to get fouled and get at least one free throw attempt, but you might just get off a good shot. All the options have risk. I may be wrong, but I think I would have chosen another one.

SFCityBear said:

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Back to the playoffs for a moment, I could find very little discussion of Thursday's game 6, and none on the last play. At the time, I was struck by the Warriors' decision to go for the three. Before the play, I was thinking, "We have 9 seconds in the front court and we are down one point. So a two pointer or three pointer can win the game, and a free throw can tie it and at least get us to overtime. My play would have been a drive to the basket. The shot would be aggressively defended by Toronto, but still possible, and if they are too aggressive, we might get a foul called and a trip to the line, where we can win or tie. Toronto would likely try to defend that shot by playing tough defense before the shot. I don't remember if fouls at that point we one and one or not, but there we might get at least a free throw to tie.

The shot Curry took, running laterally, catching the pass and turning and firing is a shot he makes often, but this time with three defenders closing on him, he looked to me like he had to hurry the shot, and he looked a little off-balance as he went up. His release is so quick, because he is shooting as soon as his feet leave the floor, so he he did get an open look in between the three defenders. That brings up another point, and that is with three defenders on Curry, there are two other Warriors left wide open. I wish I had recorded the game to replay the last play a few times,

I don't understand taking a lower percentage shot, the three, to win the game, when you only need two to win it, even if the shooter is Curry.. There was plenty of time to set up a play for a path to the hoop. If you drive to the hoop, you are likely going to get fouled and get at least one free throw attempt, but you might just get off a good shot. All the options have risk. I may be wrong, but I think I would have chosen another one.

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Any open Curry shot is a good shot.

sycasey said:

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SFCityBear said:

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Back to the playoffs for a moment, I could find very little discussion of Thursday's game 6, and none on the last play. At the time, I was struck by the Warriors' decision to go for the three. Before the play, I was thinking, "We have 9 seconds in the front court and we are down one point. So a two pointer or three pointer can win the game, and a free throw can tie it and at least get us to overtime. My play would have been a drive to the basket. The shot would be aggressively defended by Toronto, but still possible, and if they are too aggressive, we might get a foul called and a trip to the line, where we can win or tie. Toronto would likely try to defend that shot by playing tough defense before the shot. I don't remember if fouls at that point we one and one or not, but there we might get at least a free throw to tie.

The shot Curry took, running laterally, catching the pass and turning and firing is a shot he makes often, but this time with three defenders closing on him, he looked to me like he had to hurry the shot, and he looked a little off-balance as he went up. His release is so quick, because he is shooting as soon as his feet leave the floor, so he he did get an open look in between the three defenders. That brings up another point, and that is with three defenders on Curry, there are two other Warriors left wide open. I wish I had recorded the game to replay the last play a few times,

I don't understand taking a lower percentage shot, the three, to win the game, when you only need two to win it, even if the shooter is Curry.. There was plenty of time to set up a play for a path to the hoop. If you drive to the hoop, you are likely going to get fouled and get at least one free throw attempt, but you might just get off a good shot. All the options have risk. I may be wrong, but I think I would have chosen another one.

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Agreed.

Also, I don't buy the speculation that the Dubs as currently constituted, but without Klay and Kevin, will make the playoffs, possibly advance to the second round.

The West is likely to be even tougher next year than it was this year. If the Dubs next season don't have a better squad than what's left of the presumably healthy players from this year, they will not finish in the top 8 in the West.

I agree with you. I thought the last play was also risky because of the difficult pass (which I thought was going out of bounds)

I thought they would give it to curry who would create off the dribble and try to shoot or get fouled

However I can see the coaches thought after I saw the last play and had time to think about it

9 seconds isn't much time for curry to create. He often has to try 2-3 different attempts to get free, especially against the raptors defense who were pretty good bottling him up much of the time

The refs were also going to be slow to blow their whistle in that circumstance and the refs were allowing a lot of physical defense on curry all game

Also the Ws had that play in their pocket for a last shot and probably practice it all the time

It was successful to get curry a look, but it was a contested shot will a long defender. Give props to the raptors for good defense

What was more of a problem was the Ws defense when Klay went down.

In the last couple minutes vanfleet was t the top defended by cook, and drove and pulled back. It was a nice move but cool had his feet wrong and then turned and retreating, totally losing his man. VanVleet therefore had an eternity to shoot a wide open three at the top of the key

To me, that's the ball game, and would have never happened if Klay was on the court and we had five starters

SFCityBear said:

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Back to the playoffs for a moment, I could find very little discussion of Thursday's game 6, and none on the last play. At the time, I was struck by the Warriors' decision to go for the three. Before the play, I was thinking, "We have 9 seconds in the front court and we are down one point. So a two pointer or three pointer can win the game, and a free throw can tie it and at least get us to overtime. My play would have been a drive to the basket. The shot would be aggressively defended by Toronto, but still possible, and if they are too aggressive, we might get a foul called and a trip to the line, where we can win or tie. Toronto would likely try to defend that shot by playing tough defense before the shot. I don't remember if fouls at that point were one and one or not, but there we might get at least a free throw to tie.

The shot Curry took, running laterally, catching the pass and turning and firing is a shot he makes often, but this time with three defenders closing on him, he looked to me like he had to hurry the shot, and he looked a little off-balance as he went up. His release is so quick, because he is shooting as soon as his feet leave the floor, so he he did get an open look in between the three defenders. That brings up another point, and that is with three defenders on Curry, there are two other Warriors left wide open. I wish I had recorded the game to replay the last play a few times,

I don't understand taking a lower percentage shot, the three, to win the game, when you only need two to win it, even if the shooter is Curry.. There was plenty of time to set up a play for a path to the hoop. If you drive to the hoop, you are likely going to get fouled and get at least one free throw attempt, but you might just get off a good shot. All the options have risk. I may be wrong, but I think I would have chosen another one.

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I love Looney but he is a FA as well. Hope they can figure out a way to keep him. Would be great if they could develop Damion Jones, who I believe will still be on his rookie deal, into a quality (and physically stronger) rim protector, rebounder and pnr guy for lobs at the rim.

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They can pay Looney as much as any other team, so there's a good chance they keep him. I don't know about Jones though. I'd say he's a bust except that Looney looked like a bust in Summer 2017 too and then developed his game after slimming down.

Even before the Raptors can have their parade, off season fireworks have begun.

AD to Lakers.... , who will join Lebron and AD? Kyrie now that KD is out for the 2019/20 season?

Kyrie got tired of being Robin, but found out being Batman not so fun either. Maybe he will be Alfred with the Lakers.

With Lebron loading up.. may give good reason for KD to return with GSW and have a showdown at the OK Corral with the Lakers in the 2021 playoffs.

goGSW
goBears

HoopDreams said:

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I agree with you. I thought the last play was also risky because of the difficult pass (which I thought was going out of bounds)

I thought they would give it to curry who would create off the dribble and try to shoot or get fouled

However I can see the coaches thought after I saw the last play and had time to think about it

9 seconds isn't much time for curry to create. He often has to try 2-3 different attempts to get free, especially against the raptors defense who were pretty good bottling him up much of the time

The refs were also going to be slow to blow their whistle in that circumstance and the refs were allowing a lot of physical defense on curry all game

Also the Ws had that play in their pocket for a last shot and probably practice it all the time

It was successful to get curry a look, but it was a contested shot will a long defender. Give props to the raptors for good defense

What was more of a problem was the Ws defense when Klay went down.

In the last couple minutes vanfleet was t the top defended by cook, and drove and pulled back. It was a nice move but cool had his feet wrong and then turned and retreating, totally losing his man. VanVleet therefore had an eternity to shoot a wide open three at the top of the key

To me, that's the ball game, and would have never happened if Klay was on the court and we had five starters

SFCityBear said:

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Back to the playoffs for a moment, I could find very little discussion of Thursday's game 6, and none on the last play. At the time, I was struck by the Warriors' decision to go for the three. Before the play, I was thinking, "We have 9 seconds in the front court and we are down one point. So a two pointer or three pointer can win the game, and a free throw can tie it and at least get us to overtime. My play would have been a drive to the basket. The shot would be aggressively defended by Toronto, but still possible, and if they are too aggressive, we might get a foul called and a trip to the line, where we can win or tie. Toronto would likely try to defend that shot by playing tough defense before the shot. I don't remember if fouls at that point were one and one or not, but there we might get at least a free throw to tie.

The shot Curry took, running laterally, catching the pass and turning and firing is a shot he makes often, but this time with three defenders closing on him, he looked to me like he had to hurry the shot, and he looked a little off-balance as he went up. His release is so quick, because he is shooting as soon as his feet leave the floor, so he he did get an open look in between the three defenders. That brings up another point, and that is with three defenders on Curry, there are two other Warriors left wide open. I wish I had recorded the game to replay the last play a few times,

I don't understand taking a lower percentage shot, the three, to win the game, when you only need two to win it, even if the shooter is Curry.. There was plenty of time to set up a play for a path to the hoop. If you drive to the hoop, you are likely going to get fouled and get at least one free throw attempt, but you might just get off a good shot. All the options have risk. I may be wrong, but I think I would have chosen another one.

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Curry was getting double or triple teamed on that last play, guaranteed, put it in the bank. Refs are unlikely to call a foul in that situation.

So if you iso him then he has to get a shot up over three bigger guys in 9 seconds, or he's giving the ball up. Without Klay, who else do you trust to take that last shot? Anyone else? I don't think so.

Running a quick play to get Curry open for a catch and shoot was probably the best option. They got it. Contested, but not blockable. It didn't go in. That's basketball.

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But Rose relied on explosiveness in the lane.
Durant can still do turnarounds or spot up 3, or run the lane to dunk without too much explosion.
Rose way shorter than Durant, which is another built-in advantage.

ClayK said:

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Livingston retires, Cousins moves on ...

G: Steph Curry
G:
F: Draymond Green
F: Andre Iguodala (at 36)
C: Kevon Looney

Bench: Alfonso McKinnie, Quinn Cook, Jordan Bell, Jonas Jerebko, Jacob Evans, Damian Jones, Damion Lee, Marcus Derrickson

If Looney takes a bigger contract, Jones is your center.

Iguodala can't play 82 games, or 30 minutes a game.

So who's going to score? With that lineup, the defense completely focuses on a 30-year-old Steph.

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I would spend next year auditioning as many dudes from whereversville to see whoever might blossom.
But, then, I guess I'm dreaming. Stars already have been mined by 30 other teams.

Anyways, I would try and develop another PG and put Steph as a spot up shooter. Let him chill.
And keep Iggy coming off the bench. Play some young guy who's not as good eat up those minutes.

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I agree with you. I thought the last play was also risky because of the difficult pass (which I thought was going out of bounds)

I thought they would give it to curry who would create off the dribble and try to shoot or get fouled

However I can see the coaches thought after I saw the last play and had time to think about it

9 seconds isn't much time for curry to create. He often has to try 2-3 different attempts to get free, especially against the raptors defense who were pretty good bottling him up much of the time

The refs were also going to be slow to blow their whistle in that circumstance and the refs were allowing a lot of physical defense on curry all game

Also the Ws had that play in their pocket for a last shot and probably practice it all the time

It was successful to get curry a look, but it was a contested shot will a long defender. Give props to the raptors for good defense

What was more of a problem was the Ws defense when Klay went down.

In the last couple minutes vanfleet was t the top defended by cook, and drove and pulled back. It was a nice move but cool had his feet wrong and then turned and retreating, totally losing his man. VanVleet therefore had an eternity to shoot a wide open three at the top of the key

To me, that's the ball game, and would have never happened if Klay was on the court and we had five starters

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Back to the playoffs for a moment, I could find very little discussion of Thursday's game 6, and none on the last play. At the time, I was struck by the Warriors' decision to go for the three. Before the play, I was thinking, "We have 9 seconds in the front court and we are down one point. So a two pointer or three pointer can win the game, and a free throw can tie it and at least get us to overtime. My play would have been a drive to the basket. The shot would be aggressively defended by Toronto, but still possible, and if they are too aggressive, we might get a foul called and a trip to the line, where we can win or tie. Toronto would likely try to defend that shot by playing tough defense before the shot. I don't remember if fouls at that point were one and one or not, but there we might get at least a free throw to tie.

The shot Curry took, running laterally, catching the pass and turning and firing is a shot he makes often, but this time with three defenders closing on him, he looked to me like he had to hurry the shot, and he looked a little off-balance as he went up. His release is so quick, because he is shooting as soon as his feet leave the floor, so he he did get an open look in between the three defenders. That brings up another point, and that is with three defenders on Curry, there are two other Warriors left wide open. I wish I had recorded the game to replay the last play a few times,

I don't understand taking a lower percentage shot, the three, to win the game, when you only need two to win it, even if the shooter is Curry.. There was plenty of time to set up a play for a path to the hoop. If you drive to the hoop, you are likely going to get fouled and get at least one free throw attempt, but you might just get off a good shot. All the options have risk. I may be wrong, but I think I would have chosen another one.

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Curry was getting double or triple teamed on that last play, guaranteed, put it in the bank. Refs are unlikely to call a foul in that situation.

So if you iso him then he has to get a shot up over three bigger guys in 9 seconds, or he's giving the ball up. Without Klay, who else do you trust to take that last shot? Anyone else? I don't think so.

Running a quick play to get Curry open for a catch and shoot was probably the best option. They got it. Contested, but not blockable. It didn't go in. That's basketball.

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Yep. Any open shot from curry should be considered a win in that situation.

If he drives, every single defender will collapse and curry would have to dish to either Iggy or green.

Would you rather have Iggy or Dray shoot an open 3 or have curry shoot a semi open 3???

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Back to the playoffs for a moment, I could find very little discussion of Thursday's game 6, and none on the last play. At the time, I was struck by the Warriors' decision to go for the three. Before the play, I was thinking, "We have 9 seconds in the front court and we are down one point. So a two pointer or three pointer can win the game, and a free throw can tie it and at least get us to overtime. My play would have been a drive to the basket. The shot would be aggressively defended by Toronto, but still possible, and if they are too aggressive, we might get a foul called and a trip to the line, where we can win or tie. Toronto would likely try to defend that shot by playing tough defense before the shot. I don't remember if fouls at that point were one and one or not, but there we might get at least a free throw to tie.

The shot Curry took, running laterally, catching the pass and turning and firing is a shot he makes often, but this time with three defenders closing on him, he looked to me like he had to hurry the shot, and he looked a little off-balance as he went up. His release is so quick, because he is shooting as soon as his feet leave the floor, so he he did get an open look in between the three defenders. That brings up another point, and that is with three defenders on Curry, there are two other Warriors left wide open. I wish I had recorded the game to replay the last play a few times,

I don't understand taking a lower percentage shot, the three, to win the game, when you only need two to win it, even if the shooter is Curry.. There was plenty of time to set up a play for a path to the hoop. If you drive to the hoop, you are likely going to get fouled and get at least one free throw attempt, but you might just get off a good shot. All the options have risk. I may be wrong, but I think I would have chosen another one.

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please recall that the NBA is always 2 shots. There is no 1 and 1.

I agree that there might have been a better option, but the truth is the raptors had been smothering curry and nobody else is a sure thing. Even cousins had little "lift" down low and might have been swarm swatted,
So, giving it to curry and living or dying on that seemed reasonable. He did it in game 5!

In my opinion, next year you shouldn't measure success in wins and losses. Success should be measured in how much rest/health you can get your key players and how many guys they can find/develop to be "playable" role players in 2021 (whether players found thru draft, trade, FA or d league).

Assuming they are able to sign Durant to the supermax (which I think is much more likely now than at any other point in the season) the warriors are in a very unique situation for next year.

They could easily be a lottery pick team next year and then be the odds on favorites to win the title in 2021.

I know it's going to be hard for guys like Steph and Draymond to "take it easy" next year (especially it being first year at chase) but it's clearly in the best interest of the franchise long term.

So load management will be key. They will also be able to add at least 4 draft picks before 2021 (hopefully one of those will be a lottery pick). They can also try to trade maybe Iggy for additional picks or a younger player. Also just bring in as many bodies as possible next year and see if you can unearth anyone who can play in 2021. Any free agent signings during this summer should be trying to find players for 2021

The point being, next year might be a blessing in disguise. It's an opportunity to reset and load up for another 5 year run. The 2nd run will be tougher as the Stars begin to age. That's why it's key to bring in and develop as many cheap playable assets as possible next year in hopes they can be valuable role players in 2021. That's why treating next year as a reset year can be so valuable for the franchise moving forward.

So every decision next year should be pointed towards 2021. That's going to be tough for lacob, but it's the right thing to do.

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Even before the Raptors can have their parade, off season fireworks have begun.

AD to Lakers.... , who will join Lebron and AD? Kyrie now that KD is out for the 2019/20 season?

Kyrie got tired of being Robin, but found out being Batman not so fun either. Maybe he will be Alfred with the Lakers.

With Lebron loading up.. may give good reason for KD to return with GSW and have a showdown at the OK Corral with the Lakers in the 2021 playoffs.

goGSW
goBears

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My thoughts exactly.
And the warriors can clearly be like Tyson Fury: the lineal champion.
The Raptors did not really beat the full warriors.
If the Hamptons Five team of KD, Curry, Klay, Green and Iggy take the floor, is anyone going to not consider them the front runner who is still on the winner's returning court?
No. they can tell Lebron "you need to beat US".
It would be great drama.

If KD goes elsewhere, what is he really doing?
Fading into obscurity?

Seriously, gimme an alternative scenario where KD can return as reigning favorite?