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Curry is very good at splitting doubles and getting to the rim, but because of his size he still has problems finishing there.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/curryst01/shooting/2019
65.3% on shots at rim
I'm talking about in this situation (triple teamed with 9 seconds to shoot), not overall.
Curry was not triple-teamed at all. I thought so too, originally, but I found a replay from a better angle and watched it several times. The play began with Curry being guarded man-to-man by Van Vleet. Cousins was positioned at the top of the key, guarded by Ibaka. Curry cut past Cousins, completely losing Van Vleet on the pick. No switch was called, apparently, and Ibaka was slow to react to having to switch. Green was on the sideline, guarded by Sikiam. Curry caught the pass with not a single defender on him, only Van Fleet trying to catch up to him from far behind, and Ibaka running too late to get to Curry and bother his shot. Sikiam stayed with Green the whole time, and did not leave him to help out on guarding Curry, which was not the way it looked when I first watched the game live on TV from a different angle. Green had stepped out of bounds, but Sikiam did not react, when he should have left Green to help guard Curry, which he did not do. Curry was not triple-teamed or double-teamed on the play. In fact he was not guarded at all by anybody, really, and the play was well-executed, along with a little bit of luck that Iguodala's cross-court pass to Green was completed.
The play itself was fine, except that they could have picked a better spot to shoot from, perhaps. Curry took the shot from right where the three point line shortens, giving the shooter only a narrow space to shoot from, backed up against the sideline. The sideline comes into play, forcing the player into the small space, and is almost like having another defender.
I think there was a reasonable expectation (calling the play in the huddle) that the defense would have collapsed on Curry as soon as he tried to cut to the basket or had the ball. It's possible the Raptors screw it up, but that's what they had executed all series on defense, particularly when Klay or KD were not playing.
So I have no issue with the play call.
I have lots of problems with it. Your best shooter in this game was Iguodala. The play the Warriors ran had Iguodala inbounding the ball, so he could not be a decoy to start the play, could not be used to take a shot and it left him nowhere near the basket to rebound. It put maybe your best rebounder,, Green, .and stuck him in the corner, also in no position to rebound. Kerr deferred to Curry on the three, based more on Curry's reputation as a great player, even though Kerr had not been shooting well in that game. In that game, I'd want a play at the basket, Curry along with any one oft the three, Iguodala, Cousins, or Green, on a pick and roll or something, before I'd shoot a long two or a three. I'd be more inclined to go with the hot shooter in the game, if you insist on an outside shot, rather than the shooter who has shot the best in previous games or in the season. You got the play you wanted, I guess. The play was well executed, the defense made a couple mistakes, the great shooter was left open, and the play failed. In the end, it was a lower percentage play than any of the others i mentioned, and I believe in playing percentages.
LOL
Iguodala is streaky, but no one really believes he's the best shooter.
Anyway, I'm done debating this pure hypothetical.
Lol I'm surprised you lasted as long as you did.
Once someone starts arguing that iggy is your best shooter, I'm pretty sure it's time to stop
That was definitely the signal.
me too, this hypothetical was taxing , especially when it got to the "iggy is your best shooter assumption".
I was ok with the shot. Finishing around the rim wasn't the issue it was getting to the rim that was troublesome.
I would also submit that most(if not all) players have a higher percentage around the rim than at 3 pt range ...I know I do and I would venture to think Yogi and maybe even SFCity might as well.. I could very well be wrong. I thought they might find a way to get the ball to Boogie down low. Alas they did not. But depending on a foul in this situation is risky as they rarely want to call these at the end of a game with such high stakes My goodness
My goodness, here comes another one, this time seeming to actually try and quote what I wrote.Please go back and read it again. I said Iggy WAS, not IS the best shooter. in one particular game up to that point (who was still on the floor). I agree that shooting percentages around the rim are probably better for most players than at 3-pt range. I'd add mid-range might be better too. I also agree on refs not willing to make a call in the final seconds.
Your point is not well-taken, in part because you also use some suspect stats. You said, "Curry was 6-16 overall and 3-11 on threes. Iguodala was having a much better game, 9-15 overall, 3-6 on threes."
3 of Curry's shots were full-length heaves (at the end of the 1st, 2nd, and 4th quarters - all of which he nearly made). Another was the final shot, which takes it out of the equation when discussing who should have taken that final shot. That means his real shooting was 6-12 (50%) and 3-7 on 3s.
That's much closer than the picture you painted, don't you think?
Curry was actually 3-10 on threes, before the final shot. My mistake.
As for your claims, I think you are manipulating the stats on paper to make a case for a star player. I tried to find video of the shots you say that Curry took, but was unable to, as the videos only show highlights. The last shot I could find that Curry took in the first quarter was a drive to the basket against 2 or 3 players where he missed and was fouled. One of the announcers said Curry's shot at the end of the first quarter was as you described, a long heave hit the rim, so I'll give you that one. If he shot a similar long heave at the end of the first half, I could not find any video or description of that shot. But if you say so, I give you that one. However, there was no overtime, so the shot at the end of the 4th quarter was also the final shot of the game, and you can't subtract that one from Curry's total of 16 shots taken before the last shot. If you do your math again, Curry would have been 6-14, 43% overall, 3-8 on threes, instead of 6-16 overall and 3-9 on threes. I had said. I guess if someone is a your favorite player, or a star player, we can throw out some of his misses, and not count them, in another world.
Even if Curry was 6-14, that might eliminate Cousins from consideration, but Iguodala and Green (along with Thompson and Livingston) all had shot better than Curry before that last shot was taken. I still think better options were available, either a pick and roll or drive and dish to Green, Cousins, or Iguodala, or Curry shooting a floater or a shot at the rim.
I'd also add that the final shot, the end of the 4th quarter shot, was not a "full-length heave". It was standard minimum three point length shot, as Curry jumped with his feet no more than a foot behind the three-point shooter. I would also add that Curry's last shot was not close to going in, and he did not "nearly make it" On the playground I grew up on, that shot was a brick. It hit iron, but did not hit inside the rim, and had no chance of going in.
Maybe you made a mistake and meant to say he had put up long heaves at the end of quarters 1, 2, and 3, instead of 1, 2, and 4. Maybe we are both tiring of this discussion, as it has gone on too long, and we are both now making mistakes.
I learned one thing: Don't ever suggest that the Warriors, especially where it is concerning Curry, might do anything different, even after a loss. They are infallible.
SFCityBear
