Warriors 2019 playoff thread

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ducky23
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oski003 said:

I never said that the only doctors who mis-evaluated Durant were employed by Golden State. You are making that part up. It is patently obvious to any objective individual that the team doctors gave him bad medical advice.
- Are you a physician who specializes in this field?

- Have you looked at KD's MRI and medical file?

- Do you know exactly what the team doctors told KD?

- Do you know what their diagnosis was?

- Do you know of any other doctors who specialize in this field who have looked at KD's MRI and medical file and stated that KD did not receive the ordinary medical standard of care from the team doctors?


Again, in medical malpractice cases, you do not look at the result but the methodology. Please show me any evidence you have showing that the team doctors did not give KD the ordinary medical standard of care.

I dearly wish I could walk into a courtroom and tell the judge, 'but judge, I have no actual evidence of negligence, but its just so obvious."
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I appreciate all of the information on medical malpractice. Misdiagnosing an injury does not necessarily indicate medical malpractice. Nowhere did I indicate that there was actual provable legal negligence on the part of the team doctors. There may or may not be.
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oski003 said:

and this applies in a situation where you sign a player knowing they cannot play?

as opposed to

having a player hurt for the season while already under contract?
Because they were injured while on the Warriors the Warriors can apply for the DPE even though they would be on new contracts. No other team could do this if they signed Klay or Durant.
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philbert said:

But Durant's own doctor(s) also cleared him to play. Maybe no one is to blame and his achilles was going to rupture regardless.
This is also possible.
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Curry is very good at splitting doubles and getting to the rim, but because of his size he still has problems finishing there.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/curryst01/shooting/2019

65.3% on shots at rim

I'm talking about in this situation (triple teamed with 9 seconds to shoot), not overall.
Curry was not triple-teamed at all. I thought so too, originally, but I found a replay from a better angle and watched it several times. The play began with Curry being guarded man-to-man by Van Vleet. Cousins was positioned at the top of the key, guarded by Ibaka. Curry cut past Cousins, completely losing Van Vleet on the pick. No switch was called, apparently, and Ibaka was slow to react to having to switch. Green was on the sideline, guarded by Sikiam. Curry caught the pass with not a single defender on him, only Van Fleet trying to catch up to him from far behind, and Ibaka running too late to get to Curry and bother his shot. Sikiam stayed with Green the whole time, and did not leave him to help out on guarding Curry, which was not the way it looked when I first watched the game live on TV from a different angle. Green had stepped out of bounds, but Sikiam did not react, when he should have left Green to help guard Curry, which he did not do. Curry was not triple-teamed or double-teamed on the play. In fact he was not guarded at all by anybody, really, and the play was well-executed, along with a little bit of luck that Iguodala's cross-court pass to Green was completed.

The play itself was fine, except that they could have picked a better spot to shoot from, perhaps. Curry took the shot from right where the three point line shortens, giving the shooter only a narrow space to shoot from, backed up against the sideline. The sideline comes into play, forcing the player into the small space, and is almost like having another defender.



I think there was a reasonable expectation (calling the play in the huddle) that the defense would have collapsed on Curry as soon as he tried to cut to the basket or had the ball. It's possible the Raptors screw it up, but that's what they had executed all series on defense, particularly when Klay or KD were not playing.

So I have no issue with the play call.
I have lots of problems with it. Your best shooter in this game was Iguodala. The play the Warriors ran had Iguodala inbounding the ball, so he could not be a decoy to start the play, could not be used to take a shot and it left him nowhere near the basket to rebound. It put maybe your best rebounder,, Green, .and stuck him in the corner, also in no position to rebound. Kerr deferred to Curry on the three, based more on Curry's reputation as a great player, even though Kerr had not been shooting well in that game. In that game, I'd want a play at the basket, Curry along with any one oft the three, Iguodala, Cousins, or Green, on a pick and roll or something, before I'd shoot a long two or a three. I'd be more inclined to go with the hot shooter in the game, if you insist on an outside shot, rather than the shooter who has shot the best in previous games or in the season. You got the play you wanted, I guess. The play was well executed, the defense made a couple mistakes, the great shooter was left open, and the play failed. In the end, it was a lower percentage play than any of the others i mentioned, and I believe in playing percentages.

LOL

Iguodala is streaky, but no one really believes he's the best shooter.

Anyway, I'm done debating this pure hypothetical.


Lol I'm surprised you lasted as long as you did.

Once someone starts arguing that iggy is your best shooter, I'm pretty sure it's time to stop

That was definitely the signal.
me too, this hypothetical was taxing , especially when it got to the "iggy is your best shooter assumption".
I was ok with the shot. Finishing around the rim wasn't the issue it was getting to the rim that was troublesome.

I would also submit that most(if not all) players have a higher percentage around the rim than at 3 pt range ...I know I do and I would venture to think Yogi and maybe even SFCity might as well.. I could very well be wrong. I thought they might find a way to get the ball to Boogie down low. Alas they did not. But depending on a foul in this situation is risky as they rarely want to call these at the end of a game with such high stakes My goodness
My goodness, here comes another one, this time seeming to actually try and quote what I wrote.Please go back and read it again. I said Iggy WAS, not IS the best shooter. in one particular game up to that point (who was still on the floor). I agree that shooting percentages around the rim are probably better for most players than at 3-pt range. I'd add mid-range might be better too. I also agree on refs not willing to make a call in the final seconds.

Your point is not well-taken, in part because you also use some suspect stats. You said, "Curry was 6-16 overall and 3-11 on threes. Iguodala was having a much better game, 9-15 overall, 3-6 on threes."

3 of Curry's shots were full-length heaves (at the end of the 1st, 2nd, and 4th quarters - all of which he nearly made). Another was the final shot, which takes it out of the equation when discussing who should have taken that final shot. That means his real shooting was 6-12 (50%) and 3-7 on 3s.

That's much closer than the picture you painted, don't you think?
Curry was actually 3-10 on threes, before the final shot. My mistake.

As for your claims, I think you are manipulating the stats on paper to make a case for a star player. I tried to find video of the shots you say that Curry took, but was unable to, as the videos only show highlights. The last shot I could find that Curry took in the first quarter was a drive to the basket against 2 or 3 players where he missed and was fouled. One of the announcers said Curry's shot at the end of the first quarter was as you described, a long heave hit the rim, so I'll give you that one. If he shot a similar long heave at the end of the first half, I could not find any video or description of that shot. But if you say so, I give you that one. However, there was no overtime, so the shot at the end of the 4th quarter was also the final shot of the game, and you can't subtract that one from Curry's total of 16 shots taken before the last shot. If you do your math again, Curry would have been 6-14, 43% overall, 3-8 on threes, instead of 6-16 overall and 3-9 on threes. I had said. I guess if someone is a your favorite player, or a star player, we can throw out some of his misses, and not count them, in another world.

Even if Curry was 6-14, that might eliminate Cousins from consideration, but Iguodala and Green (along with Thompson and Livingston) all had shot better than Curry before that last shot was taken. I still think better options were available, either a pick and roll or drive and dish to Green, Cousins, or Iguodala, or Curry shooting a floater or a shot at the rim.

I'd also add that the final shot, the end of the 4th quarter shot, was not a "full-length heave". It was standard minimum three point length shot, as Curry jumped with his feet no more than a foot behind the three-point shooter. I would also add that Curry's last shot was not close to going in, and he did not "nearly make it" On the playground I grew up on, that shot was a brick. It hit iron, but did not hit inside the rim, and had no chance of going in.

Maybe you made a mistake and meant to say he had put up long heaves at the end of quarters 1, 2, and 3, instead of 1, 2, and 4. Maybe we are both tiring of this discussion, as it has gone on too long, and we are both now making mistakes.

I learned one thing: Don't ever suggest that the Warriors, especially where it is concerning Curry, might do anything different, even after a loss. They are infallible.

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Sigh.

Technical foul.

Kawhi free throws

Curry long heave

End of game.

If you're going to write that much about nothing, at least have your facts right.

Ps gmp was also right about the two long heaves before the 4tb quarter. One amazingly hit the back of the rim. The other hit the backboard. I also don't need some highlight film to remember that.
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All you Warriors fans realize that Curry is gonna tear his ulnar collateral ligament in an extreme miniature golf accident and be gone all next season too, right?
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ducky23 said:

sycasey said:

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sycasey said:

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Curry is very good at splitting doubles and getting to the rim, but because of his size he still has problems finishing there.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/curryst01/shooting/2019

65.3% on shots at rim

I'm talking about in this situation (triple teamed with 9 seconds to shoot), not overall.
Curry was not triple-teamed at all. I thought so too, originally, but I found a replay from a better angle and watched it several times. The play began with Curry being guarded man-to-man by Van Vleet. Cousins was positioned at the top of the key, guarded by Ibaka. Curry cut past Cousins, completely losing Van Vleet on the pick. No switch was called, apparently, and Ibaka was slow to react to having to switch. Green was on the sideline, guarded by Sikiam. Curry caught the pass with not a single defender on him, only Van Fleet trying to catch up to him from far behind, and Ibaka running too late to get to Curry and bother his shot. Sikiam stayed with Green the whole time, and did not leave him to help out on guarding Curry, which was not the way it looked when I first watched the game live on TV from a different angle. Green had stepped out of bounds, but Sikiam did not react, when he should have left Green to help guard Curry, which he did not do. Curry was not triple-teamed or double-teamed on the play. In fact he was not guarded at all by anybody, really, and the play was well-executed, along with a little bit of luck that Iguodala's cross-court pass to Green was completed.

The play itself was fine, except that they could have picked a better spot to shoot from, perhaps. Curry took the shot from right where the three point line shortens, giving the shooter only a narrow space to shoot from, backed up against the sideline. The sideline comes into play, forcing the player into the small space, and is almost like having another defender.



I think there was a reasonable expectation (calling the play in the huddle) that the defense would have collapsed on Curry as soon as he tried to cut to the basket or had the ball. It's possible the Raptors screw it up, but that's what they had executed all series on defense, particularly when Klay or KD were not playing.

So I have no issue with the play call.
I have lots of problems with it. Your best shooter in this game was Iguodala. The play the Warriors ran had Iguodala inbounding the ball, so he could not be a decoy to start the play, could not be used to take a shot and it left him nowhere near the basket to rebound. It put maybe your best rebounder,, Green, .and stuck him in the corner, also in no position to rebound. Kerr deferred to Curry on the three, based more on Curry's reputation as a great player, even though Kerr had not been shooting well in that game. In that game, I'd want a play at the basket, Curry along with any one oft the three, Iguodala, Cousins, or Green, on a pick and roll or something, before I'd shoot a long two or a three. I'd be more inclined to go with the hot shooter in the game, if you insist on an outside shot, rather than the shooter who has shot the best in previous games or in the season. You got the play you wanted, I guess. The play was well executed, the defense made a couple mistakes, the great shooter was left open, and the play failed. In the end, it was a lower percentage play than any of the others i mentioned, and I believe in playing percentages.

LOL

Iguodala is streaky, but no one really believes he's the best shooter.

Anyway, I'm done debating this pure hypothetical.


Lol I'm surprised you lasted as long as you did.

Once someone starts arguing that iggy is your best shooter, I'm pretty sure it's time to stop

That was definitely the signal.
me too, this hypothetical was taxing , especially when it got to the "iggy is your best shooter assumption".
I was ok with the shot. Finishing around the rim wasn't the issue it was getting to the rim that was troublesome.

I would also submit that most(if not all) players have a higher percentage around the rim than at 3 pt range ...I know I do and I would venture to think Yogi and maybe even SFCity might as well.. I could very well be wrong. I thought they might find a way to get the ball to Boogie down low. Alas they did not. But depending on a foul in this situation is risky as they rarely want to call these at the end of a game with such high stakes My goodness
My goodness, here comes another one, this time seeming to actually try and quote what I wrote.Please go back and read it again. I said Iggy WAS, not IS the best shooter. in one particular game up to that point (who was still on the floor). I agree that shooting percentages around the rim are probably better for most players than at 3-pt range. I'd add mid-range might be better too. I also agree on refs not willing to make a call in the final seconds.

Your point is not well-taken, in part because you also use some suspect stats. You said, "Curry was 6-16 overall and 3-11 on threes. Iguodala was having a much better game, 9-15 overall, 3-6 on threes."

3 of Curry's shots were full-length heaves (at the end of the 1st, 2nd, and 4th quarters - all of which he nearly made). Another was the final shot, which takes it out of the equation when discussing who should have taken that final shot. That means his real shooting was 6-12 (50%) and 3-7 on 3s.

That's much closer than the picture you painted, don't you think?
Curry was actually 3-10 on threes, before the final shot. My mistake.

As for your claims, I think you are manipulating the stats on paper to make a case for a star player. I tried to find video of the shots you say that Curry took, but was unable to, as the videos only show highlights. The last shot I could find that Curry took in the first quarter was a drive to the basket against 2 or 3 players where he missed and was fouled. One of the announcers said Curry's shot at the end of the first quarter was as you described, a long heave hit the rim, so I'll give you that one. If he shot a similar long heave at the end of the first half, I could not find any video or description of that shot. But if you say so, I give you that one. However, there was no overtime, so the shot at the end of the 4th quarter was also the final shot of the game, and you can't subtract that one from Curry's total of 16 shots taken before the last shot. If you do your math again, Curry would have been 6-14, 43% overall, 3-8 on threes, instead of 6-16 overall and 3-9 on threes. I had said. I guess if someone is a your favorite player, or a star player, we can throw out some of his misses, and not count them, in another world.

Even if Curry was 6-14, that might eliminate Cousins from consideration, but Iguodala and Green (along with Thompson and Livingston) all had shot better than Curry before that last shot was taken. I still think better options were available, either a pick and roll or drive and dish to Green, Cousins, or Iguodala, or Curry shooting a floater or a shot at the rim.

I'd also add that the final shot, the end of the 4th quarter shot, was not a "full-length heave". It was standard minimum three point length shot, as Curry jumped with his feet no more than a foot behind the three-point shooter. I would also add that Curry's last shot was not close to going in, and he did not "nearly make it" On the playground I grew up on, that shot was a brick. It hit iron, but did not hit inside the rim, and had no chance of going in.

Maybe you made a mistake and meant to say he had put up long heaves at the end of quarters 1, 2, and 3, instead of 1, 2, and 4. Maybe we are both tiring of this discussion, as it has gone on too long, and we are both now making mistakes.

I learned one thing: Don't ever suggest that the Warriors, especially where it is concerning Curry, might do anything different, even after a loss. They are infallible.



Here's his shot chart.



See those three dots on the far side of the court? Those are the three heaves. One came at the end of the first quarter. One came at the end of the 2nd. One came at the end of the 4th, after Kawhi's free throws. Want to see them? Sure.



The first occurs at 00:53 in the video above. The second occurs at 2:07 in the video above. The third happens at 3:55 in the below video.



You want to try your response again? Or do you want to take back your comment on us both making mistakes?
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SFCityBear said:

GMP said:

SFCityBear said:

cal83dls79 said:

sycasey said:

ducky23 said:

sycasey said:

SFCityBear said:

sycasey said:

SFCityBear said:

sycasey said:

Yogi Bear said:

sycasey said:


Curry is very good at splitting doubles and getting to the rim, but because of his size he still has problems finishing there.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/curryst01/shooting/2019

65.3% on shots at rim

I'm talking about in this situation (triple teamed with 9 seconds to shoot), not overall.
Curry was not triple-teamed at all. I thought so too, originally, but I found a replay from a better angle and watched it several times. The play began with Curry being guarded man-to-man by Van Vleet. Cousins was positioned at the top of the key, guarded by Ibaka. Curry cut past Cousins, completely losing Van Vleet on the pick. No switch was called, apparently, and Ibaka was slow to react to having to switch. Green was on the sideline, guarded by Sikiam. Curry caught the pass with not a single defender on him, only Van Fleet trying to catch up to him from far behind, and Ibaka running too late to get to Curry and bother his shot. Sikiam stayed with Green the whole time, and did not leave him to help out on guarding Curry, which was not the way it looked when I first watched the game live on TV from a different angle. Green had stepped out of bounds, but Sikiam did not react, when he should have left Green to help guard Curry, which he did not do. Curry was not triple-teamed or double-teamed on the play. In fact he was not guarded at all by anybody, really, and the play was well-executed, along with a little bit of luck that Iguodala's cross-court pass to Green was completed.

The play itself was fine, except that they could have picked a better spot to shoot from, perhaps. Curry took the shot from right where the three point line shortens, giving the shooter only a narrow space to shoot from, backed up against the sideline. The sideline comes into play, forcing the player into the small space, and is almost like having another defender.



I think there was a reasonable expectation (calling the play in the huddle) that the defense would have collapsed on Curry as soon as he tried to cut to the basket or had the ball. It's possible the Raptors screw it up, but that's what they had executed all series on defense, particularly when Klay or KD were not playing.

So I have no issue with the play call.
I have lots of problems with it. Your best shooter in this game was Iguodala. The play the Warriors ran had Iguodala inbounding the ball, so he could not be a decoy to start the play, could not be used to take a shot and it left him nowhere near the basket to rebound. It put maybe your best rebounder,, Green, .and stuck him in the corner, also in no position to rebound. Kerr deferred to Curry on the three, based more on Curry's reputation as a great player, even though Kerr had not been shooting well in that game. In that game, I'd want a play at the basket, Curry along with any one oft the three, Iguodala, Cousins, or Green, on a pick and roll or something, before I'd shoot a long two or a three. I'd be more inclined to go with the hot shooter in the game, if you insist on an outside shot, rather than the shooter who has shot the best in previous games or in the season. You got the play you wanted, I guess. The play was well executed, the defense made a couple mistakes, the great shooter was left open, and the play failed. In the end, it was a lower percentage play than any of the others i mentioned, and I believe in playing percentages.

LOL

Iguodala is streaky, but no one really believes he's the best shooter.

Anyway, I'm done debating this pure hypothetical.


Lol I'm surprised you lasted as long as you did.

Once someone starts arguing that iggy is your best shooter, I'm pretty sure it's time to stop

That was definitely the signal.
me too, this hypothetical was taxing , especially when it got to the "iggy is your best shooter assumption".
I was ok with the shot. Finishing around the rim wasn't the issue it was getting to the rim that was troublesome.

I would also submit that most(if not all) players have a higher percentage around the rim than at 3 pt range ...I know I do and I would venture to think Yogi and maybe even SFCity might as well.. I could very well be wrong. I thought they might find a way to get the ball to Boogie down low. Alas they did not. But depending on a foul in this situation is risky as they rarely want to call these at the end of a game with such high stakes My goodness
My goodness, here comes another one, this time seeming to actually try and quote what I wrote.Please go back and read it again. I said Iggy WAS, not IS the best shooter. in one particular game up to that point (who was still on the floor). I agree that shooting percentages around the rim are probably better for most players than at 3-pt range. I'd add mid-range might be better too. I also agree on refs not willing to make a call in the final seconds.

Your point is not well-taken, in part because you also use some suspect stats. You said, "Curry was 6-16 overall and 3-11 on threes. Iguodala was having a much better game, 9-15 overall, 3-6 on threes."

3 of Curry's shots were full-length heaves (at the end of the 1st, 2nd, and 4th quarters - all of which he nearly made). Another was the final shot, which takes it out of the equation when discussing who should have taken that final shot. That means his real shooting was 6-12 (50%) and 3-7 on 3s.

That's much closer than the picture you painted, don't you think?
Curry was actually 3-10 on threes, before the final shot. My mistake.

As for your claims, I think you are manipulating the stats on paper to make a case for a star player. I tried to find video of the shots you say that Curry took, but was unable to, as the videos only show highlights. The last shot I could find that Curry took in the first quarter was a drive to the basket against 2 or 3 players where he missed and was fouled. One of the announcers said Curry's shot at the end of the first quarter was as you described, a long heave hit the rim, so I'll give you that one. If he shot a similar long heave at the end of the first half, I could not find any video or description of that shot. But if you say so, I give you that one. However, there was no overtime, so the shot at the end of the 4th quarter was also the final shot of the game, and you can't subtract that one from Curry's total of 16 shots taken before the last shot. If you do your math again, Curry would have been 6-14, 43% overall, 3-8 on threes, instead of 6-16 overall and 3-9 on threes. I had said. I guess if someone is a your favorite player, or a star player, we can throw out some of his misses, and not count them, in another world.

Even if Curry was 6-14, that might eliminate Cousins from consideration, but Iguodala and Green (along with Thompson and Livingston) all had shot better than Curry before that last shot was taken. I still think better options were available, either a pick and roll or drive and dish to Green, Cousins, or Iguodala, or Curry shooting a floater or a shot at the rim.

I'd also add that the final shot, the end of the 4th quarter shot, was not a "full-length heave". It was standard minimum three point length shot, as Curry jumped with his feet no more than a foot behind the three-point shooter. I would also add that Curry's last shot was not close to going in, and he did not "nearly make it" On the playground I grew up on, that shot was a brick. It hit iron, but did not hit inside the rim, and had no chance of going in.

Maybe you made a mistake and meant to say he had put up long heaves at the end of quarters 1, 2, and 3, instead of 1, 2, and 4. Maybe we are both tiring of this discussion, as it has gone on too long, and we are both now making mistakes.

I learned one thing: Don't ever suggest that the Warriors, especially where it is concerning Curry, might do anything different, even after a loss. They are infallible.


This is a prime example of why you shouldn't cherry-pick stats just for the sake of being a contrarian (as you like to do). It makes you look stupid.
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Here's a good article on KD's injury.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/kevin-durants-achilles-injury-and-the-potential-legal-implications/ar-AAD1odH?li=BBnb7Kz
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bearister said:

At least, to my knowledge, no one ever got shot in The Town during a Warriors Victory Parade.*



*The most controversial thing that happened was Lacob stiffed Oakland on the cost of the parade.
When there are shots in Oakland during a Warrior parade, they are at least a half mile away from the crowd. Light years...
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Three-People-Shot-in-Oakland-Half-Mile-From-Warriors-Parade-308501901.html
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oski003 said:

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I never said that the only doctors who mis-evaluated Durant were employed by Golden State. You are making that part up. It is patently obvious to any objective individual that the team doctors gave him bad medical advice.
Giving bad advice is different than pressuring him to play (suggesting against his will). We're all disappointed by the results and KD more so, but you seem to be suggesting a nefarious intent on behalf of the warriors to undermine one of their best players. Am I reading that wrong?


Jay Williams, ESPN:

"If Golden State knew Durant wouldn't play until Game 5 or 6, Williams is absolutely right. The Warriors made it worse by not giving a clearer timeline. The repeated hope of Durant returning followed by the repeated letdown of him not only created misery and pressure for everyone involved.

Did Golden State misdiagnose Durant? That's hard to say without access to medical information. But even Steve Kerr said he was told the worst thing that could happen is an aggravation of the calf injury. It sure looks like the Warriors got this wrong."
Let me restate my question: Do you believe that the Warriors thought there was a significant risk of injury to KD, AND decided to manipulate events to get him to play sooner than he or KD's medical advisors wanted him to?

If the answer is yes, I'm curious why you think they would do that? And why KD and his medical staff have not voiced such?
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I will answer that with my original statement, which is as far as I am willing to go on this.

He's going to love signing with the team that pressured him to play and misevaluated him medically, leading to a career crushing injury.
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As far as his personal medical staff, they are on the hook as well. I am not sure what KD has to gain by outspokenly blasting the Warriors. All of this is discussed in the Sports Illustrated article I linked.
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oski003 said:

I will answer that with my original statement, which is as far as I am willing to go on this.

He's going to love signing with the team that pressured him to play and misevaluated him medically, leading to a career crushing injury.
OK. That's cool.
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oski003 said:

I will answer that with my original statement, which is as far as I am willing to go on this.

He's going to love signing with the team that pressured him to play and misevaluated him medically, leading to a career crushing injury.
I'm still looking for that part in the article about "pressured him to play." There was, no doubt, pressure on KD to play. Pressure he put on himself. Pressure from fans and social media. But I'm not aware of Bob Myers, Steve Kerr or anyone else from the W's organization pressuring KD to play. Perhaps one could make the case that, by not simply announcing they wouldn't play him in the finals, the team created implicit pressure to play, but for me that is weak sauce.
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MSaviolives said:

oski003 said:

I will answer that with my original statement, which is as far as I am willing to go on this.

He's going to love signing with the team that pressured him to play and misevaluated him medically, leading to a career crushing injury.
I'm still looking for that part in the article about "pressured him to play." There was, no doubt, pressure on KD to play. Pressure he put on himself. Pressure from fans and social media. But I'm not aware of Bob Myers, Steve Kerr or anyone else from the W's organization pressuring KD to play. Perhaps one could make the case that, by not simply announcing they wouldn't play him in the finals, the team created implicit pressure to play, but for me that is weak sauce.
Because it doesn't exist. More than anything, KD himself wanted to play. He got the ok from the team doctors and his own doctors, so he played.
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Steph does not shy away from heaving the ball at end of a quarter... Many players have their hands in the pockets so as not to shoot that shot and lower their 3 point %. Not Steph, his % from behind the half court line is ??? what 10% but the fact it is 10% and can add points to GSW he does try....and he is the best behind half court shooter ever??? As he is the best 3 point shooter ever... Even so, by lowering his 3 point % he is neck and neck with the best 3 point % shooters of all time.. Steve Kerr and Steve Nash.

His end of game shot (a bit rushed but had a good look) still was a "coin flip" where half the time it goes in, and half the time it does not...

goGSW
goBears
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gobears said:

Steph does not shy away from heaving the ball at end of a quarter... Many players have their hands in the pockets so as not to shoot that shot and lower their 3 point %. Not Steph, his % from behind the half court line is ??? what 10% but the fact it is 10% and can add points to GSW he does try....and he is the best behind half court shooter ever??? As he is the best 3 point shooter ever... Even so, by lowering his 3 point % he is neck and neck with the best 3 point % shooters of all time.. Steve Kerr and Steve Nash.

His end of game shot (a bit rushed but had a good look) still was a "coin flip" where half the time it goes in, and half the time it does not...

goGSW
goBears
Jason Kidd was also a willing last second Hail Mary shooter, but, unlike Steph, he didn't have a great overall shooting percentage to protect.
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MSaviolives said:

gobears said:

Steph does not shy away from heaving the ball at end of a quarter... Many players have their hands in the pockets so as not to shoot that shot and lower their 3 point %. Not Steph, his % from behind the half court line is ??? what 10% but the fact it is 10% and can add points to GSW he does try....and he is the best behind half court shooter ever??? As he is the best 3 point shooter ever... Even so, by lowering his 3 point % he is neck and neck with the best 3 point % shooters of all time.. Steve Kerr and Steve Nash.

His end of game shot (a bit rushed but had a good look) still was a "coin flip" where half the time it goes in, and half the time it does not...

goGSW
goBears
Jason Kidd was also a willing last second Hail Mary shooter, but, unlike Steph, he didn't have a great overall shooting percentage to protect.

JKidd probably never gave a damn about his shooting percentage.
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TheSouseFamily said:

All you Warriors fans realize that Curry is gonna tear his ulnar collateral ligament in an extreme miniature golf accident and be gone all next season too, right?
What's this talk of the warriors getting some sort of Cap relief for injured players (KD and Klay)?
DPE, The disabled player exemption
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concordtom said:

TheSouseFamily said:

All you Warriors fans realize that Curry is gonna tear his ulnar collateral ligament in an extreme miniature golf accident and be gone all next season too, right?
What's this talk of the warriors getting some sort of Cap relief for injured players (KD and Klay)?
DPE, The disabled player exemption
my understanding is that using the DPE will cost the Warriors something in the ballpark of $70 million (includes tax) for a $9m player assuming they pass all of the requirements (sign KD and declare Klay out until 6/15). Doubt they will do this
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Rockets appear to be in disarray
https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-relationship-between-rockets-stars-james-harden-chris-paul-termed-unsalvageable-200951028.html
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MSaviolives said:

Rockets appear to be in disarray
https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-relationship-between-rockets-stars-james-harden-chris-paul-termed-unsalvageable-200951028.html

Many people claimed this would be the problem with this pairing (Harden and Paul not able to share). Just took longer than we thought.
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Paul has denied these reports of wanting to be traded, as has Morey.

"Reporters" up to their usual shenanigans.

And the Rockets knew signing Paul to that deal would render him untradable
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GBear4Life said:

Paul has denied these reports of wanting to be traded, as has Morey.

"Reporters" up to their usual shenanigans.

And the Rockets knew signing Paul to that deal would render him untradable

The denials don't really disprove anything. Kevin Durant always denied clashing with Russell Westbrook while at OKC, but in retrospect it's pretty clear they didn't get along.

My guess is that the reporting isn't just out of nowhere. Something is going on.
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GBear4Life said:

Paul has denied these reports of wanting to be traded, as has Morey.

"Reporters" up to their usual shenanigans.

And the Rockets knew signing Paul to that deal would render him untradable


I have no idea which reports to believe.

But you have to admit that the rockets have an incredible amount of incentive to deny that cp3 wants a trade.
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gobears said:

KD: GSW offers super Max deal and agrees to trade him down road if he asks to be traded next summer if he wants out.


go GSW
go Bears


https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/nba-rumors-warriors-discussing-delayed-kevin-durant-sign-and-trade

This is what I think makes the most sense for both KD and GSW. (well, maybe just KD)

a. Rehab for 1 year but having signed Super Max, rehab year tab and luxury tax is picked up by GSW as a thank you for helping us get rings number 2 and 3.

b. Next summer, KD wants out? GSW trades him similar to AD.. to list of teams he wants to go to.

c. GSW is able to get draft picks/players in return to help replace KD (not other team's junk)

d. or change of mind and wants to stay with GSW to take on the Lakers.

goGSW
goBears

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Warriors up.
I kinda hope they pick Bol Bol, who has slid.

Don't think he fits warriors at all.
But I met his dad twice and he has a lot of upside.
Definitely unique.

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Jordan Poole, from Michigan. SG
Start Slowly and taper off
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Warriors pick #28 Jordan Poole
SG, 6'5" sophomore from Michigan

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Did not start at all as a frosh.
Soph: 12.8 ppg, 37% from deep making 2.0 of 5.5 attempts.
That's not very impressive. I wonder what they saw in him.
Shoots 83% FT
Sat in the stands (not green room) and made his way to shake commissioner's hand after draft announcement.
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Nbadraft.net says what I'm feeling

28. Jordan Poole | 6-5 | 190 | PG/SG | Michigan | 20

The Michigan swingman shows promise as a catch-and-shoot threat, but he is a huge reach for the Warriors at this point in the draft. Many scouts and NBA insiders were surprised to find out Poole was staying in the draft, but it's hard to argue against the decision, as he now has a fully guaranteed first-round-pick contract. He needs to work on his strength, conditioning, and ball-handling, but Poole can fill it up from beyond the arc. Look for Poole to spend some time in the G-League before stepping on the court with Steph and Klay. He's not so much a Splash Brother yet - maybe more of a Splash Step-Cousin.

Or as Poole said after being picked, maybe a "Splash Drip".
 
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