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Impeachment #2 Thread
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Does the Senate have a Public Defender?concordtom said:
Trump entire lawyer team quits.
Arguing over how to proceed.
I can't wait to watch Republicans acquit him.
Total sh show.
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/donald-trumps-entire-legal-team-041610892.html
CNN just announced tRump has retained the services of Rob of the Legal Help Center to defend him in the Senate Impeachment Proceedings. At this point it is unclear whether Rob is a licensed attorney or merely a spokesperson.*
*tRump is reportedly unconcerned about the issue in light of the fact Rob's sideburns made an impression in the interview.
*tRump is reportedly unconcerned about the issue in light of the fact Rob's sideburns made an impression in the interview.
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Never fear, Trump has a new lawyer.
The law firm of Dewey, Cheatum, and Howe!dimitrig said:
Never fear, Trump has a new lawyer.
"Former President Donald Trump and the Republican Party entered this year having stockpiled more than $175 million from fundraising in November and December based on his false claims of voter fraud, spending only a tiny fraction on lawyers and bills for his effort to overturn the presidential election, according to new campaign finance reports filed Sunday night."
As Trump raked in cash denying his loss, little went to actual legal fight, World News | wionews.com
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/01/us/politics/trump-election-donors-spending.html
"Never give a sucker an even break."
As Trump raked in cash denying his loss, little went to actual legal fight, World News | wionews.com
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/01/us/politics/trump-election-donors-spending.html
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"This is a clear and present danger for the very members of Congress who must now decide between protecting their own careers or protecting the lives of the people working down the hall. With the second impeachment trial of Donald J Trump starting next week, there's no escaping the moment of decision for at least 50 Republican senators: are you with the United States or not?
In every single other working environment, this would not be a hard choice. Given the chance to save your own job or save the lives of your co-workers even the ones you dislike the vast majority of decent people would save lives.
... In these few weeks since the mob trashed the Capitol, leading to five deaths, Republican leaders have bathed themselves less in glory than in the sewage of fascism. Given a choice between the conservative Liz Cheney and the fascist Marjorie Taylor Greene, House Republicans have shunned the former and hugged the latter.
... The choice in front of Republicans is whether they support democracy or not; whether they want to live and work in fear of the mob, or not. QAnon may be loony but its goals are to murder elected officials, and its supporters include heavily armed insurrectionists. The 1930s fascists were also unhinged and proved themselves deadly serious about mass murder."
Democracy or the white supremacist mob: which side is the Republican party on?
Democracy or the white supremacist mob: which side is the Republican party on?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/03/democracy-white-supremacist-mob-republican-party?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
In every single other working environment, this would not be a hard choice. Given the chance to save your own job or save the lives of your co-workers even the ones you dislike the vast majority of decent people would save lives.
... In these few weeks since the mob trashed the Capitol, leading to five deaths, Republican leaders have bathed themselves less in glory than in the sewage of fascism. Given a choice between the conservative Liz Cheney and the fascist Marjorie Taylor Greene, House Republicans have shunned the former and hugged the latter.
... The choice in front of Republicans is whether they support democracy or not; whether they want to live and work in fear of the mob, or not. QAnon may be loony but its goals are to murder elected officials, and its supporters include heavily armed insurrectionists. The 1930s fascists were also unhinged and proved themselves deadly serious about mass murder."
Democracy or the white supremacist mob: which side is the Republican party on?
Democracy or the white supremacist mob: which side is the Republican party on?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/03/democracy-white-supremacist-mob-republican-party?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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Mittens lost. Deal with it.
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WHAT HAPPENS IF TRUMP'S ACQUITTED?
The likelihood of Trump's acquittal worries some senators, who fear the consequences for the country. Some have floated the possibility of censuring Trump after the trial to ensure that he is punished in some way for the riot.
But there also may be another way for Congress to bar Trump from holding future office.
In an opinion piece published last month in The Washington Post, Yale law professor Bruce Ackerman and Indiana University law professor Gerard Magliocca suggested Congress could turn to a provision of the 14th Amendment that is aimed at preventing people from holding federal office if they are deemed to have "engaged in insurrection or rebellion against" the Constitution.
The professors wrote that if a majority vote of both houses agree that Trump engaged in an act of "insurrection or rebellion," then he would be barred from running for the White House again. Only a two-thirds vote of each chamber of Congress in the future could undo that result.
The likelihood of Trump's acquittal worries some senators, who fear the consequences for the country. Some have floated the possibility of censuring Trump after the trial to ensure that he is punished in some way for the riot.
But there also may be another way for Congress to bar Trump from holding future office.
In an opinion piece published last month in The Washington Post, Yale law professor Bruce Ackerman and Indiana University law professor Gerard Magliocca suggested Congress could turn to a provision of the 14th Amendment that is aimed at preventing people from holding federal office if they are deemed to have "engaged in insurrection or rebellion against" the Constitution.
The professors wrote that if a majority vote of both houses agree that Trump engaged in an act of "insurrection or rebellion," then he would be barred from running for the White House again. Only a two-thirds vote of each chamber of Congress in the future could undo that result.
concordtom said:
WHAT HAPPENS IF TRUMP'S ACQUITTED?
The likelihood of Trump's acquittal worries some senators, who fear the consequences for the country. Some have floated the possibility of censuring Trump after the trial to ensure that he is punished in some way for the riot.
But there also may be another way for Congress to bar Trump from holding future office.
In an opinion piece published last month in The Washington Post, Yale law professor Bruce Ackerman and Indiana University law professor Gerard Magliocca suggested Congress could turn to a provision of the 14th Amendment that is aimed at preventing people from holding federal office if they are deemed to have "engaged in insurrection or rebellion against" the Constitution.
The professors wrote that if a majority vote of both houses agree that Trump engaged in an act of "insurrection or rebellion," then he would be barred from running for the White House again. Only a two-thirds vote of each chamber of Congress in the future could undo that result.
Lol. And once this fails Pelosi and Schumer will conduct a Native American sage burning ritual in Iroquois head dresses.
Okay, you made me laugh, but...
Read more closely.
Half in each chamber.
That's a done deal, buddy.
Read more closely.
Half in each chamber.
That's a done deal, buddy.
concordtom said:
Okay, you made me laugh, but...
Read more closely.
Half in each chamber.
That's a done deal, buddy.
So they are going to acquit him on incitement in the impeachment then are going to convict him of incitement. That's not how this works.,Tom and it would be a disaster for all of it did. Congress doesn't decide who can run or not run for President
Majority of Americans say Trump should be convicted, barred from holding federal office in impeachment trial: POLL - ABC News
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/majority-americans-trump-convicted-barred-holding-federal-office/story?id=75729878
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/majority-americans-trump-convicted-barred-holding-federal-office/story?id=75729878
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Anarchistbear said:concordtom said:
Okay, you made me laugh, but...
Read more closely.
Half in each chamber.
That's a done deal, buddy.
So they are going to acquit him on incitement in the impeachment then are going to convict him of incitement. That's not how this works.,Tom and it would be a disaster for all of it did. Congress doesn't decide who can run or not run for President
2/3rds on the first, fail
50.1% on the second, pass.
Dems pulling the GOP's weight.
GOP in private says Thank You, publicly calls them radical socialists.
bearister said:
Majority of Americans say Trump should be convicted, barred from holding federal office in impeachment trial: POLL - ABC News
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/majority-americans-trump-convicted-barred-holding-federal-office/story?id=75729878
Majority of Americans would like to see Trump buried at sea after suffering a heart attack.
Heck, he always wanted a full military honor parade. He could even have fireworks in his honor. I'd be down with that.
Add in some Kool and the Gang, "celebrate good times!" Partay!
People say, don't be sad when I'm gone, throw a party! Okay! You can bet on it!!!
concordtom said:bearister said:
Majority of Americans say Trump should be convicted, barred from holding federal office in impeachment trial: POLL - ABC News
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/majority-americans-trump-convicted-barred-holding-federal-office/story?id=75729878
Majority of Americans would like to see Trump buried at sea after suffering a heart attack.
Burial at sea would be too kind.
I'd like to see his body thrown to wild jackals.
Hahaha!
Oh, thank you and bless you!!
I got banned once last year for posting photos suggesting that wild jackals could descend on him the way they descended on Qaddafi (who my step father played tennis with as young men) or saddam or Mussolini. Or the way horned QAnon followers descended onto the Capitol one month ago. So, I won't go there again.
The man is savagely hated, this is true!!
Oh, thank you and bless you!!
I got banned once last year for posting photos suggesting that wild jackals could descend on him the way they descended on Qaddafi (who my step father played tennis with as young men) or saddam or Mussolini. Or the way horned QAnon followers descended onto the Capitol one month ago. So, I won't go there again.
The man is savagely hated, this is true!!
Predictable.
Talking with the wife a while back, I said, "they need to have the impeachment hearings on the weekends so that max number of Americans watch!"
Well, I heard this AM that it won't be on Saturdays, at least, because trump has a lawyer who is Jewish and respects the sabbath.
Now, I don't know who this lawyer is and I'm not disrespecting their religion. But let's just say theses facts didn't hurt his/her chances of getting the job!
OF COURSE Trump team and his GOP don't want this aired at times people are watching! No doubt they are seeking lawyers who observe Sunday, too. And then all other days ending in Y.
In fact, let's just cancel the whole thing as "unconstitutional".
Talking with the wife a while back, I said, "they need to have the impeachment hearings on the weekends so that max number of Americans watch!"
Well, I heard this AM that it won't be on Saturdays, at least, because trump has a lawyer who is Jewish and respects the sabbath.
Now, I don't know who this lawyer is and I'm not disrespecting their religion. But let's just say theses facts didn't hurt his/her chances of getting the job!
OF COURSE Trump team and his GOP don't want this aired at times people are watching! No doubt they are seeking lawyers who observe Sunday, too. And then all other days ending in Y.
In fact, let's just cancel the whole thing as "unconstitutional".
"The crux of the problem is Americans now occupy two separate worlds a fact-based pro-democracy world and a Trump-based authoritarian one."
"The goal is not to "cancel" the political right but to refocus public deliberation on facts, truth and logic. Democracy cannot thrive where big lies are systematically and repeatedly exploited for commercial gain."
Trump left behind a monstrous predicament. Here's how to tackle it
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/07/trump-senate-impeachment-trial-republicans-robert-reich?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
"The goal is not to "cancel" the political right but to refocus public deliberation on facts, truth and logic. Democracy cannot thrive where big lies are systematically and repeatedly exploited for commercial gain."
Trump left behind a monstrous predicament. Here's how to tackle it
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/07/trump-senate-impeachment-trial-republicans-robert-reich?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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as most here already knows the author is..bearister said:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/07/trump-senate-impeachment-trial-republicans-robert-reich
> Robert Reich, a former US secretary of labor, is professor of public policy at the University of California
I don't believe that is accurate and frankly, I don't want it to be. You have to find the first before you can find the second. I believe if he were convicted either in the Senate or in a normal criminal trial they can do that. I don't think they can just vote that they think he is guilty of insurrection.concordtom said:Anarchistbear said:concordtom said:
Okay, you made me laugh, but...
Read more closely.
Half in each chamber.
That's a done deal, buddy.
So they are going to acquit him on incitement in the impeachment then are going to convict him of incitement. That's not how this works.,Tom and it would be a disaster for all of it did. Congress doesn't decide who can run or not run for President
2/3rds on the first, fail
50.1% on the second, pass.
Dems pulling the GOP's weight.
GOP in private says Thank You, publicly calls them radical socialists.
Do you really want a party to be able to say "we hold both houses of congress. we think the presidential nominee of the other party is a socialist/fascist and that is close enough to insurrection, so we vote that he can't be president."?
We have to govern after Trump. We can't respond to everything Trump has done by causing more problems.
OaktownBear said:I don't believe that is accurate and frankly, I don't want it to be. You have to find the first before you can find the second. I believe if he were convicted either in the Senate or in a normal criminal trial they can do that. I don't think they can just vote that they think he is guilty of insurrection.concordtom said:Anarchistbear said:concordtom said:
Okay, you made me laugh, but...
Read more closely.
Half in each chamber.
That's a done deal, buddy.
So they are going to acquit him on incitement in the impeachment then are going to convict him of incitement. That's not how this works.,Tom and it would be a disaster for all of it did. Congress doesn't decide who can run or not run for President
2/3rds on the first, fail
50.1% on the second, pass.
Dems pulling the GOP's weight.
GOP in private says Thank You, publicly calls them radical socialists.
Do you really want a party to be able to say "we hold both houses of congress. we think the presidential nominee of the other party is a socialist/fascist and that is close enough to insurrection, so we vote that he can't be president."?
We have to govern after Trump. We can't respond to everything Trump has done by causing more problems.
Don't take my word for it; I'm not a legal scholar.
Scroll up to the original post I made about it and Google the authors for the article.
Here's a similar one:
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-01-11/trump-2024-president-may-be-ineligible-after-u-s-capitol-riot
I saw it. I think they are wrong.concordtom said:OaktownBear said:I don't believe that is accurate and frankly, I don't want it to be. You have to find the first before you can find the second. I believe if he were convicted either in the Senate or in a normal criminal trial they can do that. I don't think they can just vote that they think he is guilty of insurrection.concordtom said:Anarchistbear said:concordtom said:
Okay, you made me laugh, but...
Read more closely.
Half in each chamber.
That's a done deal, buddy.
So they are going to acquit him on incitement in the impeachment then are going to convict him of incitement. That's not how this works.,Tom and it would be a disaster for all of it did. Congress doesn't decide who can run or not run for President
2/3rds on the first, fail
50.1% on the second, pass.
Dems pulling the GOP's weight.
GOP in private says Thank You, publicly calls them radical socialists.
Do you really want a party to be able to say "we hold both houses of congress. we think the presidential nominee of the other party is a socialist/fascist and that is close enough to insurrection, so we vote that he can't be president."?
We have to govern after Trump. We can't respond to everything Trump has done by causing more problems.
Don't take my word for it; I'm not a legal scholar.
Scroll up to the original post I made about it and Google the authors for the article.
Here's a similar one:
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-01-11/trump-2024-president-may-be-ineligible-after-u-s-capitol-riot
As for this one, his last paragraph is:
So even he knows his whole piece is a bunch of academic navel gazing. There is no way that the Supreme Court upholds the concept that the Congress can just disqualify someone. To say they err on the side of letting voters decide is an understatement in the extreme.Quote:
In practice, it's unlikely that a court would be prepared to disqualify a former president from running for office again. But it's a close issue and one the Supreme Court may have to take up if Trump announces a 2024 candidacy.
OaktownBear said:I don't believe that is accurate and frankly, I don't want it to be. You have to find the first before you can find the second. I believe if he were convicted either in the Senate or in a normal criminal trial they can do that. I don't think they can just vote that they think he is guilty of insurrection.concordtom said:Anarchistbear said:concordtom said:
Okay, you made me laugh, but...
Read more closely.
Half in each chamber.
That's a done deal, buddy.
So they are going to acquit him on incitement in the impeachment then are going to convict him of incitement. That's not how this works.,Tom and it would be a disaster for all of it did. Congress doesn't decide who can run or not run for President
2/3rds on the first, fail
50.1% on the second, pass.
Dems pulling the GOP's weight.
GOP in private says Thank You, publicly calls them radical socialists.
Do you really want a party to be able to say "we hold both houses of congress. we think the presidential nominee of the other party is a socialist/fascist and that is close enough to insurrection, so we vote that he can't be president."?
We have to govern after Trump. We can't respond to everything Trump has done by causing more problems.
I want trump et al to be held accountable.
If Republicans want to continue to deny reality, then yes I want Dems to push thru.
Sometimes, compromise and compromising ones values is required. But sometimes not. I think you'll agree there was a time to NOT compromise when it came to, say, agreeing to count slaves as 3/5ths. You'd rather like to see how that played out if the northern colonies had held firm there. It was another 75 years (3 generations of black), further entrenchment of the culture, and a very deadly civil war before it got reversed.
My message is: end Trumpism now.
Do the right thing now.
Deal with the repercussions later. Hopefully the nation will turn away from the sickness before retaliatory efforts come. The Dems played too conservatively under Obama.
The time is now!
https://youtube.com/watch/1qjtugr2618
It's truly unfortunate that people like Rand Paul, and entire organizations, have blown their credibility.
Even a number of posters on this thread, too.
It matters not what they say. Like a fanatical religious zealot, or like Lincoln determined to pass the Amendment,(watch the clip above), I know I am in the right.
God said, be in the world, not of the world.
God warned that the devil would present himself in all sorts of ways to destroy us. If you are tempted by sex or drugs, then sex or drugs will appear. If you are tempted by money, he will present as an opportunity to enrapture you there. He presents as greed, jealousy, righteousness, anger, fame, ego...
That's right, I am both your devil, for I am righteous, and I am my own beacon of salvation.
I have chosen my path.
We can agree to disagree. And at this time, your group is in the minority, because there are now more voters on my side than yours. So, sit on it, Potsie. And watch Trump's ongoing decline.
So sorry.
(Not really.)
It's Miller Time!
Partay!!
Even a number of posters on this thread, too.
It matters not what they say. Like a fanatical religious zealot, or like Lincoln determined to pass the Amendment,(watch the clip above), I know I am in the right.
God said, be in the world, not of the world.
God warned that the devil would present himself in all sorts of ways to destroy us. If you are tempted by sex or drugs, then sex or drugs will appear. If you are tempted by money, he will present as an opportunity to enrapture you there. He presents as greed, jealousy, righteousness, anger, fame, ego...
That's right, I am both your devil, for I am righteous, and I am my own beacon of salvation.
I have chosen my path.
We can agree to disagree. And at this time, your group is in the minority, because there are now more voters on my side than yours. So, sit on it, Potsie. And watch Trump's ongoing decline.
So sorry.
(Not really.)
It's Miller Time!
Partay!!
"The crux of the problem is Americans now occupy two separate worlds a fact-based pro-democracy world and a Trump-based authoritarian one....
....The goal is not to "cancel" the political right but to refocus public deliberation on facts, truth and logic. Democracy cannot thrive where big lies are systematically and repeatedly exploited for commercial gain." Robert Reich
....The goal is not to "cancel" the political right but to refocus public deliberation on facts, truth and logic. Democracy cannot thrive where big lies are systematically and repeatedly exploited for commercial gain." Robert Reich
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bearister said:
"The crux of the problem is Americans now occupy two separate worlds a fact-based pro-democracy world and a Trump-based authoritarian one....
....The goal is not to "cancel" the political right but to refocus public deliberation on facts, truth and logic. Democracy cannot thrive where big lies are systematically and repeatedly exploited for commercial gain." Robert Reich
I agree with Reich.
The goal is not to cancel the lying, bad mouthing, environmentally dirty, racist, sexist, embezzling Right. It's to jail them.
Okay, fine. Let him run again.OaktownBear said:I saw it. I think they are wrong.concordtom said:OaktownBear said:I don't believe that is accurate and frankly, I don't want it to be. You have to find the first before you can find the second. I believe if he were convicted either in the Senate or in a normal criminal trial they can do that. I don't think they can just vote that they think he is guilty of insurrection.concordtom said:Anarchistbear said:concordtom said:
Okay, you made me laugh, but...
Read more closely.
Half in each chamber.
That's a done deal, buddy.
So they are going to acquit him on incitement in the impeachment then are going to convict him of incitement. That's not how this works.,Tom and it would be a disaster for all of it did. Congress doesn't decide who can run or not run for President
2/3rds on the first, fail
50.1% on the second, pass.
Dems pulling the GOP's weight.
GOP in private says Thank You, publicly calls them radical socialists.
Do you really want a party to be able to say "we hold both houses of congress. we think the presidential nominee of the other party is a socialist/fascist and that is close enough to insurrection, so we vote that he can't be president."?
We have to govern after Trump. We can't respond to everything Trump has done by causing more problems.
Don't take my word for it; I'm not a legal scholar.
Scroll up to the original post I made about it and Google the authors for the article.
Here's a similar one:
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-01-11/trump-2024-president-may-be-ineligible-after-u-s-capitol-riot
As for this one, his last paragraph is:So even he knows his whole piece is a bunch of academic navel gazing. There is no way that the Supreme Court upholds the concept that the Congress can just disqualify someone. To say they err on the side of letting voters decide is an understatement in the extreme.Quote:
In practice, it's unlikely that a court would be prepared to disqualify a former president from running for office again. But it's a close issue and one the Supreme Court may have to take up if Trump announces a 2024 candidacy.
That's good, actually, because Americans F'ing hate his GUTS!
That means that the GOP will nominate him again, and get crushed again. 8 years of Dems is better than 4.
And it'll be fun to watch him soil his pants after he loses again.
Body blow,
Body blow.
KnOcKoUt PuNcH !!!!!!
Ding ding ding - we have a LOSER!
"Former Trump chief of staff says there's 'no chance' of stopping him from running"
Good!
concordtom said:Okay, fine. Let him run again.OaktownBear said:I saw it. I think they are wrong.concordtom said:OaktownBear said:I don't believe that is accurate and frankly, I don't want it to be. You have to find the first before you can find the second. I believe if he were convicted either in the Senate or in a normal criminal trial they can do that. I don't think they can just vote that they think he is guilty of insurrection.concordtom said:Anarchistbear said:concordtom said:
Okay, you made me laugh, but...
Read more closely.
Half in each chamber.
That's a done deal, buddy.
So they are going to acquit him on incitement in the impeachment then are going to convict him of incitement. That's not how this works.,Tom and it would be a disaster for all of it did. Congress doesn't decide who can run or not run for President
2/3rds on the first, fail
50.1% on the second, pass.
Dems pulling the GOP's weight.
GOP in private says Thank You, publicly calls them radical socialists.
Do you really want a party to be able to say "we hold both houses of congress. we think the presidential nominee of the other party is a socialist/fascist and that is close enough to insurrection, so we vote that he can't be president."?
We have to govern after Trump. We can't respond to everything Trump has done by causing more problems.
Don't take my word for it; I'm not a legal scholar.
Scroll up to the original post I made about it and Google the authors for the article.
Here's a similar one:
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-01-11/trump-2024-president-may-be-ineligible-after-u-s-capitol-riot
As for this one, his last paragraph is:So even he knows his whole piece is a bunch of academic navel gazing. There is no way that the Supreme Court upholds the concept that the Congress can just disqualify someone. To say they err on the side of letting voters decide is an understatement in the extreme.Quote:
In practice, it's unlikely that a court would be prepared to disqualify a former president from running for office again. But it's a close issue and one the Supreme Court may have to take up if Trump announces a 2024 candidacy.
That's good, actually, because Americans F'ing hate his GUTS!
That means that the GOP will nominate him again, and get crushed again. 8 years of Dems is better than 4.
And it'll be fun to watch him soil his pants after he loses again.
Body blow,
Body blow.
KnOcKoUt PuNcH !!!!!!
Ding ding ding - we have a LOSER!
"Former Trump chief of staff says there's 'no chance' of stopping him from running"
Good!
Just to be clear, two points that are fairly well established.
One, the clause that allows the Senate to prohibit holding office follows an impeachment conviction but requires only a majority vote. It is not something that can follow after acquittal on the impeachment charge.
Second, in the 1993 Nixon (not the president but a federal judge) Supreme Court case, it was clearly reaffirmed that the constitution does not provide for judicial review of an impeachment trial by the senate. So if the senate convicts and then prohibits holding future office, there is no path for appeal or judicial review.
Good added points.
All I know is, he's a cancer and needs to go away. He offers nothing fresh and positive and creative as to solutions for America.
He is only about his id. He's a very sick man.
All I know is, he's a cancer and needs to go away. He offers nothing fresh and positive and creative as to solutions for America.
He is only about his id. He's a very sick man.
Agree with that completely. Glad we kicked him out of the White House and hope he loses interest and looks for the next shiny con outside of government.concordtom said:
Good added points.
All I know is, he's a cancer and needs to go away. He offers nothing fresh and positive and creative as to solutions for America.
He is only about his id. He's a very sick man.
calbear93 said:Agree with that completely. Glad we kicked him out of the White House and hope he loses interest and looks for the next shiny con outside of government.concordtom said:
Good added points.
All I know is, he's a cancer and needs to go away. He offers nothing fresh and positive and creative as to solutions for America.
He is only about his id. He's a very sick man.
I agree as well. However, we can't respond to Trump by adopting an any means necessary approach or we become like him. In 20 years Trump will be dead or too old to be relevant. I want him brought to justice by any legal means. I do not want us to add to the damage to the republic on his account.
I want him convicted in the Senate and the Senate to follow up with a ban on holding future office. That is the right way to do things. The fact that Republicans won't do their duty does not mean we bypass the process. I think it is extremely unlikely that the Supreme Court would agree that the 14th Amendment intended to give Congress the right to just declare someone guilty of insurrection on a straight majority vote and take away their right to run for office. There is a clear process for impeachment. If they intended to give that power they would have set out a process for it. IMO, they either need to convict based on this impeachment or he needs to be convicted in criminal court of an insurrection charge. And I repeat that I do not want the Congress to have unilateral authority under a straight majority vote to take away the right of an opposing party candidate's right to run for office. It should be difficult.