June Headline CPI - 9.1% (a new high for this cycle)
June Core CPI - 5.9% (3rd consecutive month down)

Quite the disconnect

dajo9 said:

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June Headline CPI - 9.1% (a new high for this cycle)
June Core CPI - 5.9% (3rd consecutive month down)

Quite the disconnect

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Food and Energy will do that.
Biggest monthly CPI increase in 17 years. (+1.3%)

A 7.5% surge in energy prices accounted for nearly half of the increase in the CPI.
Gasoline prices jumped 11.2% in June after a 4.1% rise in May.
Natural gas prices rose 8.2%, the most since Oct. 2005.

The hope had been that a shift in spending from goods to services would help cool inflation.
But the super tight labor market is boosting wages and contributing higher prices for services.

There were nearly 2 jobs available in May, for every unemployed person.

U.S. consumer inflation rises to highest annual rate since 1981 | Reuters

DiabloWags said:

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dajo9 said:

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June Headline CPI - 9.1% (a new high for this cycle)
June Core CPI - 5.9% (3rd consecutive month down)

Quite the disconnect

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Food and Energy will do that.
Biggest monthly CPI increase in 17 years. (+1.3%)

A 7.5% surge in energy prices accounted for nearly half of the increase in the CPI.
Gasoline prices jumped 11.2% in June after a 4.1% rise in May.
Natural gas prices rose 8.2%, the most since Oct. 2005.

The hope had been that a shift in spending from goods to services would help cool inflation.
But the super tight labor market is boosting wages and contributing higher prices for services.

There were nearly 2 jobs available in May, for every unemployed person.

U.S. consumer inflation rises to highest annual rate since 1981 | Reuters

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Wage inflation also peaked in March and is tracking more the core CPI numbers.

dajo9 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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dajo9 said:

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June Headline CPI - 9.1% (a new high for this cycle)
June Core CPI - 5.9% (3rd consecutive month down)

Quite the disconnect

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Food and Energy will do that.
Biggest monthly CPI increase in 17 years. (+1.3%)

A 7.5% surge in energy prices accounted for nearly half of the increase in the CPI.
Gasoline prices jumped 11.2% in June after a 4.1% rise in May.
Natural gas prices rose 8.2%, the most since Oct. 2005.

The hope had been that a shift in spending from goods to services would help cool inflation.
But the super tight labor market is boosting wages and contributing higher prices for services.

There were nearly 2 jobs available in May, for every unemployed person.

U.S. consumer inflation rises to highest annual rate since 1981 | Reuters

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Wage inflation also peaked in March and is tracking more the core CPI numbers.

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But again, it doesnt matter if wage inflation peaked.
Because the risk is that it will remain elevated for quite some time .... just like other indicators of inflation.

DiabloWags said:

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dajo9 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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dajo9 said:

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June Headline CPI - 9.1% (a new high for this cycle)
June Core CPI - 5.9% (3rd consecutive month down)

Quite the disconnect

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Food and Energy will do that.
Biggest monthly CPI increase in 17 years. (+1.3%)

A 7.5% surge in energy prices accounted for nearly half of the increase in the CPI.
Gasoline prices jumped 11.2% in June after a 4.1% rise in May.
Natural gas prices rose 8.2%, the most since Oct. 2005.

The hope had been that a shift in spending from goods to services would help cool inflation.
But the super tight labor market is boosting wages and contributing higher prices for services.

There were nearly 2 jobs available in May, for every unemployed person.

U.S. consumer inflation rises to highest annual rate since 1981 | Reuters

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Wage inflation also peaked in March and is tracking more the core CPI numbers.

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But again, it doesnt matter if wage inflation peaked.
Because the risk is that it will remain elevated for quite some time .... just like other indicators of inflation.

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I disagree. If something has peaked then it is trending lower. That is important in terms of taking action now that will affect the future.

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DiabloWags said:

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dajo9 said:

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Wage inflation also peaked in March and is tracking more the core CPI numbers.

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But again, it doesnt matter if wage inflation peaked.
Because the risk is that it will remain elevated for quite some time .... just like other indicators of inflation.

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I disagree. If something has peaked then it is trending lower. That is important in terms of taking action now that will affect the future.

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For some strange reason, you completely ignore the RATE OF CHANGE.
That's what is of significance here.

Peaking has absolutely nothing to do with that. The FED doesnt want to see consistently "elevated" CPI numbers. That should be obvious ... especially when they are on record as saying that they want to get inflation back to 2%.

If anything, these numbers confirm that the FED is even farther behind the curve when it comes to fighting inflation. That's why the FED is going to raise rates (again) 75 basis points at the end of this month.

Now you may disagree with the execution of their policy and the recession risk that that entails.
I get that . . . and we are on the same page in that regard.

But it's pure fantasy to think that the FED is going to be happy with a CPI that continues to run at a rate of 6 to 7%, just because it peaked at 9%.

Sounds like July CPI will decrease meaningfully due to the drop in gas prices?

Unit2Sucks said:

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Sounds like July CPI will decrease meaningfully due to the drop in gas prices?

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Yes.

Unit2Sucks said:

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Sounds like July CPI will decrease meaningfully due to the drop in gas prices?

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Exactly and as long as it continues to trend down we are good

Two straight minutes of Democrats LYING about inflation pic.twitter.com/xd8uDqv5yK

— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) July 13, 2022

The Great Bidenflation.

Don't worry, it's supposed to be transitory.

When will you willfully ignorant Republicans learn that inflation is global?


Look at Turkey. Curse you, Joe Biden!

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When will you willfully ignorant Republicans learn that inflation is global?


Look at Turkey. Curse you, Joe Biden!

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Of the world's major economies, the US and UK are tied for the sixth highest inflation rate - behind Turkey, Russia, Poland and Spain, according to international market watcher, Trading Economies.

https://tradingeconomics.com/matrix?g=top

We're only #6. Feel better?

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When will you willfully ignorant Republicans learn that inflation is global?

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I dont think that Trump supporters know what the word global means.
These are the same people that ask, "Define woman"

Why is US inflation so high and how long will it last?


https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/jul/13/us-inflation-why-so-high-what-we-know?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Biggest yield curve inversion since 2000.
-22 bips

Unit2Sucks said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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concordtom said:

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going4roses said:

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How does this affect the avg joe ?

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Are you serious?

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Lol.
Allow me to attempt.

The avg Joe doesn't understand what any political party stands for. Nor do they understand economic "jargon".

All he knows is that if the price of bread, milk and go up, it must be the fault of the current President.

The result is that he/she votes for the opposite party.

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A current President always owns whatever transpires on their watch.

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Everyone agrees with you.

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Ha ha - that guy and his quote is it's own thread. He wouldn't take responsibility for not flushing down his own feces.

but, again, the average Joe doesn't understand why, say, economic calamity resulting from the eventual big California quake should not be attached to the sitting President's policy platform.
If a quake ravages California, it won't matter who is in office - economic productivity will be affected.

I thought Tequila4Kapp was a sensual fellow. Maybe that's why he deleted his statement. It always makes me laugh when folks get caught out on their posts like that.

concordtom said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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concordtom said:

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DiabloWags said:

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going4roses said:

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How does this affect the avg joe ?

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Are you serious?

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Lol.
Allow me to attempt.

The avg Joe doesn't understand what any political party stands for. Nor do they understand economic "jargon".

All he knows is that if the price of bread, milk and go up, it must be the fault of the current President.

The result is that he/she votes for the opposite party.

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A current President always owns whatever transpires on their watch.

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Everyone agrees with you.

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Ha ha - that guy and his quote is it's own thread. He wouldn't take responsibility for not flushing down his own feces.

but, again, the average Joe doesn't understand why, say, economic calamity resulting from the eventual big California quake should not be attached to the sitting President's policy platform.
If a quake ravages California, it won't matter who is in office - economic productivity will be affected.

I thought Tequila4Kapp was a sensual fellow. Maybe that's why he deleted his statement. It always makes me laugh when folks get caught out on their posts like that.

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Tequilla4Kapp never stated in his post that he supports Trump. We can all agree that Trump is toxic and should never be near power while agreeing that Biden will be held accountable for what happens during his watch. No one wants to hear that the president takes no responsibility or that he has no solution. Not even the most delusional Trump supporter would think that quote from Trump was a proud moment in Trump's presidency.

concordtom said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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concordtom said:

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DiabloWags said:

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going4roses said:

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How does this affect the avg joe ?

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Are you serious?

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Lol.
Allow me to attempt.

The avg Joe doesn't understand what any political party stands for. Nor do they understand economic "jargon".

All he knows is that if the price of bread, milk and go up, it must be the fault of the current President.

The result is that he/she votes for the opposite party.

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A current President always owns whatever transpires on their watch.

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Everyone agrees with you.

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Ha ha - that guy and his quote is it's own thread. He wouldn't take responsibility for not flushing down his own feces.

but, again, the average Joe doesn't understand why, say, economic calamity resulting from the eventual big California quake should not be attached to the sitting President's policy platform.
If a quake ravages California, it won't matter who is in office - economic productivity will be affected.

I thought Tequila4Kapp was a sensual fellow. Maybe that's why he deleted his statement. It always makes me laugh when folks get caught out on their posts like that.

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Give me a break. I got caught with nothing. I deleted my post because I realized I was quoting from something on like page 1 when the thread was at like page 9. I thought I was way behind the thread to such an extent the post added no value.

I have enjoyed reading the posts since then, trying to learn things about finance and economics which are beyond my current knowledge. As a result, until this response, I have remained quiet because I have insufficient expertise in that area to contribute.

The response with the post from Trump and your piggy back on it are asinine. You assume I am attacking Biden and take pleasure in relying on that assumption to attack me (and liberals here have the predictable Pavlovian response of pointing to Trump). Jesus, can we never have a conversation without this *****

I made a statement of political fact - every president owns the things that happen on his watch. Republican, Democrat, beloved, hated...doesn't matter. I stand by it. Now how about we return to the economics discussion?

concordtom said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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concordtom said:

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DiabloWags said:

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going4roses said:

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How does this affect the avg joe ?

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Are you serious?

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Lol.
Allow me to attempt.

The avg Joe doesn't understand what any political party stands for. Nor do they understand economic "jargon".

All he knows is that if the price of bread, milk and go up, it must be the fault of the current President.

The result is that he/she votes for the opposite party.

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A current President always owns whatever transpires on their watch.

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Everyone agrees with you.

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I thought Tequila4Kapp was a sensual fellow.

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Unit2Sucks said:

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concordtom said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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concordtom said:

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DiabloWags said:

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going4roses said:

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How does this affect the avg joe ?

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Are you serious?

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Lol.
Allow me to attempt.

The avg Joe doesn't understand what any political party stands for. Nor do they understand economic "jargon".

All he knows is that if the price of bread, milk and go up, it must be the fault of the current President.

The result is that he/she votes for the opposite party.

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A current President always owns whatever transpires on their watch.

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Everyone agrees with you.

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I thought Tequila4Kapp was a sensual fellow.

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Thanks for making me laugh. Sense of humor is most needed in challenging times like these.

calbear93 said:

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concordtom said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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concordtom said:

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DiabloWags said:

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going4roses said:

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How does this affect the avg joe ?

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Are you serious?

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Lol.
Allow me to attempt.

The avg Joe doesn't understand what any political party stands for. Nor do they understand economic "jargon".

All he knows is that if the price of bread, milk and go up, it must be the fault of the current President.

The result is that he/she votes for the opposite party.

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A current President always owns whatever transpires on their watch.

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Everyone agrees with you.

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Ha ha - that guy and his quote is it's own thread. He wouldn't take responsibility for not flushing down his own feces.

but, again, the average Joe doesn't understand why, say, economic calamity resulting from the eventual big California quake should not be attached to the sitting President's policy platform.
If a quake ravages California, it won't matter who is in office - economic productivity will be affected.

I thought Tequila4Kapp was a sensual fellow. Maybe that's why he deleted his statement. It always makes me laugh when folks get caught out on their posts like that.

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Tequilla4Kapp never stated in his post that he supports Trump. We can all agree that Trump is toxic and should never be near power while agreeing that Biden will be held accountable for what happens during his watch. No one wants to hear that the president takes no responsibility or that he has no solution. Not even the most delusional Trump supporter would think that quote from Trump was a proud moment in Trump's presidency.

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Thank you for affirming good sense!

I agree that Biden should be held accountable in general terms. I disagree, however, that a president is responsible for the over-arching economic cycle. There are many things outside a president's control. Especially in a 4 year term!

Maybe if we had 20 year terms… and I'm not arguing for those.

Re your second bolder comment, I drove next to a pickup truck yesterday which had a bumper sticker: "if you don't like trump then you probably won't like me, and I'm okay with that."
I bet he'd be fine with trump's statement.
There are some absolutely insanely partisan, blind, people out there.

tequila4kapp said:

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concordtom said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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concordtom said:

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DiabloWags said:

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going4roses said:

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How does this affect the avg joe ?

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Are you serious?

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Lol.
Allow me to attempt.

The avg Joe doesn't understand what any political party stands for. Nor do they understand economic "jargon".

All he knows is that if the price of bread, milk and go up, it must be the fault of the current President.

The result is that he/she votes for the opposite party.

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A current President always owns whatever transpires on their watch.

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Everyone agrees with you.

---

Ha ha - that guy and his quote is it's own thread. He wouldn't take responsibility for not flushing down his own feces.

but, again, the average Joe doesn't understand why, say, economic calamity resulting from the eventual big California quake should not be attached to the sitting President's policy platform.
If a quake ravages California, it won't matter who is in office - economic productivity will be affected.

I thought Tequila4Kapp was a sensual fellow. Maybe that's why he deleted his statement. It always makes me laugh when folks get caught out on their posts like that.

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Give me a break. I got caught with nothing. I deleted my post because I realized I was quoting from something on like page 1 when the thread was at like page 9. I thought I was way behind the thread to such an extent the post added no value.

I have enjoyed reading the posts since then, trying to learn things about finance and economics which are beyond my current knowledge. As a result, until this response, I have remained quiet because I have insufficient expertise in that area to contribute.

The response with the post from Trump and your piggy back on it are asinine. You assume I am attacking Biden and take pleasure in relying on that assumption to attack me (and liberals here have the predictable Pavlovian response of pointing to Trump). Jesus, can we never have a conversation without this *****

I made a statement of political fact - every president owns the things that happen on his watch. Republican, Democrat, beloved, hated...doesn't matter. I stand by it. Now how about we return to the economics discussion?

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I apologize.
I just don't know what I'll do when Donald dies instead of Ivana. Trump is just one of those unique characters we'll be writing about for centuries.
"There once was a psycho president, and half the population followed him for a time to the most insane rationalities."
It's a unique case study in group think. I'm both fascinated by it, and vomiting at it.
Thank you for accepting my apology.

Unit2Sucks said:

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concordtom said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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concordtom said:

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DiabloWags said:

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going4roses said:

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How does this affect the avg joe ?

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Are you serious?

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Lol.
Allow me to attempt.

The avg Joe doesn't understand what any political party stands for. Nor do they understand economic "jargon".

All he knows is that if the price of bread, milk and go up, it must be the fault of the current President.

The result is that he/she votes for the opposite party.

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A current President always owns whatever transpires on their watch.

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Everyone agrees with you.

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I thought Tequila4Kapp was a sensual fellow.

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especially when he's drinking that tequila

Sensual
Sensible

Auto correct strikes again.

concordtom said:

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Sensual
Sensible

Auto correct strikes again.

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Don't ruin it

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calbear93 said:

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concordtom said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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concordtom said:

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DiabloWags said:

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going4roses said:

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How does this affect the avg joe ?

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Are you serious?

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Lol.
Allow me to attempt.

The avg Joe doesn't understand what any political party stands for. Nor do they understand economic "jargon".

All he knows is that if the price of bread, milk and go up, it must be the fault of the current President.

The result is that he/she votes for the opposite party.

---

A current President always owns whatever transpires on their watch.

---

Everyone agrees with you.

---

Ha ha - that guy and his quote is it's own thread. He wouldn't take responsibility for not flushing down his own feces.

but, again, the average Joe doesn't understand why, say, economic calamity resulting from the eventual big California quake should not be attached to the sitting President's policy platform.
If a quake ravages California, it won't matter who is in office - economic productivity will be affected.

I thought Tequila4Kapp was a sensual fellow. Maybe that's why he deleted his statement. It always makes me laugh when folks get caught out on their posts like that.

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Tequilla4Kapp never stated in his post that he supports Trump. We can all agree that Trump is toxic and should never be near power while agreeing that Biden will be held accountable for what happens during his watch. No one wants to hear that the president takes no responsibility or that he has no solution. Not even the most delusional Trump supporter would think that quote from Trump was a proud moment in Trump's presidency.

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Thank you for affirming good sense!

I agree that Biden should be held accountable in general terms. I disagree, however, that a president is responsible for the over-arching economic cycle. There are many things outside a president's control. Especially in a 4 year term!

Maybe if we had 20 year terms… and I'm not arguing for those.

Re your second bolder comment, I drove next to a pickup truck yesterday which had a bumper sticker: "if you don't like trump then you probably won't like me, and I'm okay with that."
I bet he'd be fine with trump's statement.
There are some absolutely insanely partisan, blind, people out there.

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Tom - I think you misread what I wrote.

I stated that people will hold Biden accountable for what happens during his presidency. That is a different take than whether Biden actually controlled all of the levels. What you wrote does not reflect how people will vote. You can call them idiots, etc., but that is just cursing at the sky. Presidents are accountable come election time for what happened during their presidency.

I assume you hold Trump responsible for all of the clusterf__k that happened during his presidency. Fair or not, leaders are judged by results. Just the way it is.

One other thing that I would mention. When one lacks meaningful grace toward others (I don't mean toward Trump), and you are hoping for death and are willing to burn everyone who disagrees with you at the stake, it is you who look horrible and not the ones you are besmirching. Maybe express your view point on Trump (as if it has not already been clear) and leave it at that instead of wishing ill will on people in your circle or even people you don't know. Nothing persuasive about what you are doing, and all that pissing you are doing is just going back at you. Take it as you will.

calbear93 said:

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concordtom said:

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calbear93 said:

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concordtom said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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concordtom said:

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DiabloWags said:

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going4roses said:

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How does this affect the avg joe ?

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Are you serious?

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Lol.
Allow me to attempt.

The avg Joe doesn't understand what any political party stands for. Nor do they understand economic "jargon".

All he knows is that if the price of bread, milk and go up, it must be the fault of the current President.

The result is that he/she votes for the opposite party.

---

A current President always owns whatever transpires on their watch.

---

Everyone agrees with you.

---

Ha ha - that guy and his quote is it's own thread. He wouldn't take responsibility for not flushing down his own feces.

but, again, the average Joe doesn't understand why, say, economic calamity resulting from the eventual big California quake should not be attached to the sitting President's policy platform.
If a quake ravages California, it won't matter who is in office - economic productivity will be affected.

I thought Tequila4Kapp was a sensual fellow. Maybe that's why he deleted his statement. It always makes me laugh when folks get caught out on their posts like that.

---

Tequilla4Kapp never stated in his post that he supports Trump. We can all agree that Trump is toxic and should never be near power while agreeing that Biden will be held accountable for what happens during his watch. No one wants to hear that the president takes no responsibility or that he has no solution. Not even the most delusional Trump supporter would think that quote from Trump was a proud moment in Trump's presidency.

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Thank you for affirming good sense!

I agree that Biden should be held accountable in general terms. I disagree, however, that a president is responsible for the over-arching economic cycle. There are many things outside a president's control. Especially in a 4 year term!

Maybe if we had 20 year terms… and I'm not arguing for those.

Re your second bolder comment, I drove next to a pickup truck yesterday which had a bumper sticker: "if you don't like trump then you probably won't like me, and I'm okay with that."
I bet he'd be fine with trump's statement.
There are some absolutely insanely partisan, blind, people out there.

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Tom - I think you misread what I wrote.

I stated that people will hold Biden accountable for what happens during his presidency. That is a different take than whether Biden actually controlled all of the levels. What you wrote does not reflect how people will vote. You can call them idiots, etc., but that is just cursing at the sky. Presidents are accountable come election time for what happened during their presidency.

I assume you hold Trump responsible for all of the clusterf__k that happened during his presidency. Fair or not, leaders are judged by results. Just the way it is.

One other thing that I would mention. When one lacks meaningful grace toward others (I don't mean toward Trump), and you are hoping for death and are willing to burn everyone who disagrees with you at the stake, it is you who look horrible and not the ones you are besmirching. Maybe express your view point on Trump (as if it has not already been clear) and leave it at that instead of wishing ill will on people in your circle or even people you don't know. Nothing persuasive about what you are doing, and all that pissing you are doing is just going back at you. Take it as you will.

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Last paragraph---let it be water off your back as you consider the source. He often comes on very nasty and then walks it back after. Tom being Tom.

calbear93 said:

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concordtom said:

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calbear93 said:

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concordtom said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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concordtom said:

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DiabloWags said:

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going4roses said:

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How does this affect the avg joe ?

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Are you serious?

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Lol.
Allow me to attempt.

The avg Joe doesn't understand what any political party stands for. Nor do they understand economic "jargon".

All he knows is that if the price of bread, milk and go up, it must be the fault of the current President.

The result is that he/she votes for the opposite party.

---

A current President always owns whatever transpires on their watch.

---

Everyone agrees with you.

---

Ha ha - that guy and his quote is it's own thread. He wouldn't take responsibility for not flushing down his own feces.

but, again, the average Joe doesn't understand why, say, economic calamity resulting from the eventual big California quake should not be attached to the sitting President's policy platform.
If a quake ravages California, it won't matter who is in office - economic productivity will be affected.

I thought Tequila4Kapp was a sensual fellow. Maybe that's why he deleted his statement. It always makes me laugh when folks get caught out on their posts like that.

---

Tequilla4Kapp never stated in his post that he supports Trump. We can all agree that Trump is toxic and should never be near power while agreeing that Biden will be held accountable for what happens during his watch. No one wants to hear that the president takes no responsibility or that he has no solution. Not even the most delusional Trump supporter would think that quote from Trump was a proud moment in Trump's presidency.

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Thank you for affirming good sense!

I agree that Biden should be held accountable in general terms. I disagree, however, that a president is responsible for the over-arching economic cycle. There are many things outside a president's control. Especially in a 4 year term!

Maybe if we had 20 year terms… and I'm not arguing for those.

Re your second bolder comment, I drove next to a pickup truck yesterday which had a bumper sticker: "if you don't like trump then you probably won't like me, and I'm okay with that."
I bet he'd be fine with trump's statement.
There are some absolutely insanely partisan, blind, people out there.

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Tom - I think you misread what I wrote.

I stated that people will hold Biden accountable for what happens during his presidency. That is a different take than whether Biden actually controlled all of the levels. What you wrote does not reflect how people will vote. You can call them idiots, etc., but that is just cursing at the sky. Presidents are accountable come election time for what happened during their presidency.

I assume you hold Trump responsible for all of the clusterf__k that happened during his presidency. Fair or not, leaders are judged by results. Just the way it is.

One other thing that I would mention. When one lacks meaningful grace toward others (I don't mean toward Trump), and you are hoping for death and are willing to burn everyone who disagrees with you at the stake, it is you who look horrible and not the ones you are besmirching. Maybe express your view point on Trump (as if it has not already been clear) and leave it at that instead of wishing ill will on people in your circle or even people you don't know. Nothing persuasive about what you are doing, and all that pissing you are doing is just going back at you. Take it as you will.

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Yeah? Well guess what. I agree with you!!

I AM shaking my fist at the sky, and I AM lacking grace and kindness.

I do apologize to you, kind sir. But I cannot find peace with the whole Trumpian movement. I honestly see it as an army marching across America, wrecking the nation. I cannot just state my opinion and then watch bodies get loaded into the gas chambers.

Sometimes it is required that people get pissed off and yell from the town square.

But, yes, it all comes back on me. The emotional energy about it is no good. So, I apologize for my rudeness to you. I don't intend to upset you. Nothing good is created in that. Apologies.

But let me say this in disagreement to one thing… yes, Trump IS responsible for all of his clusterf*k, except for (ironically enough) Covid. That was a loser hoisted upon him no matter what! Of course, he proved himself incapable of dealing with it, too. But, that was like my example of things outside of one's control.

Every other cluster during his presidency that comes to mind, oh yeah - he did that!

The Gods Must Be Crazy.

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How does this affect the avg joe ?

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Are you serious?

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Lol.
Allow me to attempt.

The avg Joe doesn't understand what any political party stands for. Nor do they understand economic "jargon".

All he knows is that if the price of bread, milk and go up, it must be the fault of the current President.

The result is that he/she votes for the opposite party.

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A current President always owns whatever transpires on their watch.

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Everyone agrees with you.

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Ha ha - that guy and his quote is it's own thread. He wouldn't take responsibility for not flushing down his own feces.

but, again, the average Joe doesn't understand why, say, economic calamity resulting from the eventual big California quake should not be attached to the sitting President's policy platform.
If a quake ravages California, it won't matter who is in office - economic productivity will be affected.

I thought Tequila4Kapp was a sensual fellow. Maybe that's why he deleted his statement. It always makes me laugh when folks get caught out on their posts like that.

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Tequilla4Kapp never stated in his post that he supports Trump. We can all agree that Trump is toxic and should never be near power while agreeing that Biden will be held accountable for what happens during his watch. No one wants to hear that the president takes no responsibility or that he has no solution. Not even the most delusional Trump supporter would think that quote from Trump was a proud moment in Trump's presidency.

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Thank you for affirming good sense!

I agree that Biden should be held accountable in general terms. I disagree, however, that a president is responsible for the over-arching economic cycle. There are many things outside a president's control. Especially in a 4 year term!

Maybe if we had 20 year terms… and I'm not arguing for those.

Re your second bolder comment, I drove next to a pickup truck yesterday which had a bumper sticker: "if you don't like trump then you probably won't like me, and I'm okay with that."
I bet he'd be fine with trump's statement.
There are some absolutely insanely partisan, blind, people out there.

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Tom - I think you misread what I wrote.

I stated that people will hold Biden accountable for what happens during his presidency. That is a different take than whether Biden actually controlled all of the levels. What you wrote does not reflect how people will vote. You can call them idiots, etc., but that is just cursing at the sky. Presidents are accountable come election time for what happened during their presidency.

I assume you hold Trump responsible for all of the clusterf__k that happened during his presidency. Fair or not, leaders are judged by results. Just the way it is.

One other thing that I would mention. When one lacks meaningful grace toward others (I don't mean toward Trump), and you are hoping for death and are willing to burn everyone who disagrees with you at the stake, it is you who look horrible and not the ones you are besmirching. Maybe express your view point on Trump (as if it has not already been clear) and leave it at that instead of wishing ill will on people in your circle or even people you don't know. Nothing persuasive about what you are doing, and all that pissing you are doing is just going back at you. Take it as you will.

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Last paragraph---let it be water off your back as you consider the source. He often comes on very nasty and then walks it back after. Tom being Tom.

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Case in point, on queue.
I actually thought I was writing to you above. You are the kind sir.
Hey, wait, I think you just insulted me.
Haha, I can take it. I probably deserve it.

Look, there really only one thing that makes me an a**hole, and that all this Trump business. So let's just all Hope together that he suddenly vanished and then we'll see if I was telling the truth or not.

Well, then there's the GOP hypocrisy… McConnell Supreme Court type stuff…

Hmmm.
Have a nice day, everyone. I'm going sailing on the Bay. First time on dad's yacht. What a lucky guy I am. Don't anyone wish I fall into the drink, though if it be so, I've had a good life, and I give special thanks to BI hosts and community for giving me this place to visit and mentally process now and then.

Peace.

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Sensual
Sensible

Auto correct strikes again.

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Don't ruin it

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My grandfather (Cal Band, late 30's) used to say, "Whatever turns you on!"

Miss that guy!!!

“If you raise the f***ing hot dog, I will kill you. Figure it out.” —Costco co-founder Jim Sinegal to CEO W. Craig Jelinekhttps://t.co/BPziCzPGho

— Michael Knowles (@michaeljknowles) July 14, 2022

The Costco hotdog is immune to Bidenflation.

That's cool cuz Bidenflation is something your Right Wing Twitter Bubble made up.

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That's cool cuz Bidenflation is something your Right Wing Twitter Bubble made up.

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BIDENFLATION - 9.1% 40 YEAR RECORD HIGH JUNE, 2022.

Yeah - show us another RNC. branded chart. They NEVER lie or present biased opinions.

Remember: All Republicans are liars and hypocrites.