AunBear89 said:
Remember: All Republicans are liars and hypocrites.

AunBear89 said:
Remember: All Republicans are liars and hypocrites.
BearForce2 said:AunBear89 said:
Remember: All Republicans are liars and hypocrites.
oski003 said:BearForce2 said:AunBear89 said:
Remember: All Republicans are liars and hypocrites.
Liberal conclusion: the Biden administration is Republican.
AunBear89 said:
Republican "Logic" - ignore that inflation is global and that the president doesn't control global economies. Unless the president is an R, than shout these facts from the rooftops.
DiabloWags said:AunBear89 said:
Republican "Logic" - ignore that inflation is global and that the president doesn't control global economies. Unless the president is an R, than shout these facts from the rooftops.
Yup.
Only Trumpanzees think that POTUS controls gas prices and interest rates.
Poll Reveals About 47% of Small Businesses Are in Danger of Permanent Closure https://t.co/ON1EjO8io3
— Townhall.com (@townhallcom) July 18, 2022
If this is so obvious as cbbass1 claims, surprising that this DOJ and FTC are not going after the oil companies for colluding and violating antitrust laws. You know, competitors colluding on pricing strategy to artificially keep prices high are subject to criminal laws, and the executives themselves can and do go to jail.tequila4kapp said:
So the oil companies conspired to screw the entire nation with historic gas prices starting Jan 7, 2020? They didn't do it to Clinton or Obama but there was something about Joe that set them off?
Refining Capacity:Cbass said:
Again -- WHO sets gasoline prices???
What a curious business decision to randomly and voluntarily close refineries starting in 2020.DiabloWags said:Refining Capacity:Cbass said:
Again -- WHO sets gasoline prices???
U.S. Energy Information Administration - EIA - Independent Statistics and Analysis
U.S. Refinery Utilization and Capacity (eia.gov)
tequila4kapp said:What a curious business decision to randomly and voluntarily close refineries starting in 2020.DiabloWags said:Refining Capacity:Cbass said:
Again -- WHO sets gasoline prices???
U.S. Energy Information Administration - EIA - Independent Statistics and Analysis
U.S. Refinery Utilization and Capacity (eia.gov)
I think he was being sarcastic.DiabloWags said:You must have either misread or didnt bother to read the links that I provided.tequila4kapp said:What a curious business decision to randomly and voluntarily close refineries starting in 2020.DiabloWags said:Refining Capacity:Cbass said:
Again -- WHO sets gasoline prices???
U.S. Energy Information Administration - EIA - Independent Statistics and Analysis
U.S. Refinery Utilization and Capacity (eia.gov)
Those reports say nothing about "randomly and voluntarily" closing refineries in 2020.
Maybe you can show us the list of Sherman & Clayton Act enforcement actions since 1981.calbear93 said:If this is so obvious as cbbass1 claims, surprising that this DOJ and FTC are not going after the oil companies for colluding and violating antitrust laws. You know, competitors colluding on pricing strategy to artificially keep prices high are subject to criminal laws, and the executives themselves can and do go to jail.tequila4kapp said:
So the oil companies conspired to screw the entire nation with historic gas prices starting Jan 7, 2020? They didn't do it to Clinton or Obama but there was something about Joe that set them off?
So, is Biden's administration, including the DOJ and FTC which are under the purview of the executive branch, part of the criminal enterprise? If DOJ and FTC are not colluding as well, could this be just market forces and cost of regulation/refinery limitations keeping the price high?
cbbass1 said:Maybe you can show us the list of Sherman & Clayton Act enforcement actions since 1981.calbear93 said:If this is so obvious as cbbass1 claims, surprising that this DOJ and FTC are not going after the oil companies for colluding and violating antitrust laws. You know, competitors colluding on pricing strategy to artificially keep prices high are subject to criminal laws, and the executives themselves can and do go to jail.tequila4kapp said:
So the oil companies conspired to screw the entire nation with historic gas prices starting Jan 7, 2020? They didn't do it to Clinton or Obama but there was something about Joe that set them off?
So, is Biden's administration, including the DOJ and FTC which are under the purview of the executive branch, part of the criminal enterprise? If DOJ and FTC are not colluding as well, could this be just market forces and cost of regulation/refinery limitations keeping the price high?
Yes, those laws are still on the books. But they are NEVER enforced. Ever.
Even if they were, any court decision against a monopoly-forming merger would be quickly appealed to the pro-monopoly / Federalist Society Justices on SCOTUS.
What's more likely, going forward, is that the GOP, Federalist Society, and SCOTUS hacks come up with another "legislate from the bench" decision, this time to end the Federal Trade Commission's (FTC's) authority to review & stop mergers & acquisitions.
That's clearly NOT what I'm saying.tequila4kapp said:
So the oil companies conspired to screw the entire nation with historic gas prices starting Jan 7, 2020? They didn't do it to Clinton or Obama but there was something about Joe that set them off?
Come on. Policy impacts how people act. People and companies do not exist in a vacuum.cbbass1 said:That's clearly NOT what I'm saying.tequila4kapp said:
So the oil companies conspired to screw the entire nation with historic gas prices starting Jan 7, 2020? They didn't do it to Clinton or Obama but there was something about Joe that set them off?
What I am saying is that oil companies, and oil companies alone, are responsible for the prices they charge for their product.
NOT the President, and NOT the President's political party.
tequila4kapp said:Come on. Policy impacts how people act. People and companies do not exist in a vacuum.cbbass1 said:That's clearly NOT what I'm saying.tequila4kapp said:
So the oil companies conspired to screw the entire nation with historic gas prices starting Jan 7, 2020? They didn't do it to Clinton or Obama but there was something about Joe that set them off?
What I am saying is that oil companies, and oil companies alone, are responsible for the prices they charge for their product.
NOT the President, and NOT the President's political party.
In early 2021 there was a debate among economists about the likely consequences of the American Rescue Plan. Some warned that the package would be inflationary; others were relaxed. “I was Team Relaxed,” says @paulkrugman. https://t.co/5mrwZvAX07 pic.twitter.com/AbhZyQa1H0
— New York Times Opinion (@nytopinion) July 21, 2022
cbbass1 said:
What I am saying is that oil companies, and oil companies alone, are responsible for the prices they charge for their product.
NOT the President, and NOT the President's political party.
Agree 100%!tequila4kapp said:Come on. Policy impacts how people act. People and companies do not exist in a vacuum.cbbass1 said:That's clearly NOT what I'm saying.tequila4kapp said:
So the oil companies conspired to screw the entire nation with historic gas prices starting Jan 7, 2020? They didn't do it to Clinton or Obama but there was something about Joe that set them off?
What I am saying is that oil companies, and oil companies alone, are responsible for the prices they charge for their product.
NOT the President, and NOT the President's political party.
Being Pro-lockdown f'd us. This administration was tooting that horn for the entire first yearcbbass1 said:Agree 100%!tequila4kapp said:Come on. Policy impacts how people act. People and companies do not exist in a vacuum.cbbass1 said:That's clearly NOT what I'm saying.tequila4kapp said:
So the oil companies conspired to screw the entire nation with historic gas prices starting Jan 7, 2020? They didn't do it to Clinton or Obama but there was something about Joe that set them off?
What I am saying is that oil companies, and oil companies alone, are responsible for the prices they charge for their product.
NOT the President, and NOT the President's political party.
So if you can be as specific as possible, what Democratic Party or Biden admin policies are contributing directly to higher gasoline prices in the U.S.?
MinotStateBeav said:Being Pro-lockdown f'd us. This administration was tooting that horn for the entire first yearcbbass1 said:
Agree 100%!
So if you can be as specific as possible, what Democratic Party or Biden admin policies are contributing directly to higher gasoline prices in the U.S.?
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/03/trump-says-nationwide-lockdown-would-ultimately-inflict-more-harm-than-it-would-prevent.htmlDiabloWags said:MinotStateBeav said:Being Pro-lockdown f'd us. This administration was tooting that horn for the entire first yearcbbass1 said:
Agree 100%!
So if you can be as specific as possible, what Democratic Party or Biden admin policies are contributing directly to higher gasoline prices in the U.S.?
For some reason, you conveniently left out the lockdown policy by Trump's White House and the guidelines proposed for State and Regional Gating Criteria for Re-Opening America that he gave "shade" to the States with.
It's puzzling why you would leave that out.
Guidelines - Document Viewer : NPR
Memorandum (whitehouse.gov)
NEW: 12 of the top 15 states for jobs recovered since the pandemic are led by Republican governors pic.twitter.com/fZzZySYis7
— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) July 22, 2022
MinotStateBeav said:Being Pro-lockdown f'd us. This administration was tooting that horn for the entire first yearcbbass1 said:Agree 100%!tequila4kapp said:Come on. Policy impacts how people act. People and companies do not exist in a vacuum.cbbass1 said:That's clearly NOT what I'm saying.tequila4kapp said:
So the oil companies conspired to screw the entire nation with historic gas prices starting Jan 7, 2020? They didn't do it to Clinton or Obama but there was something about Joe that set them off?
What I am saying is that oil companies, and oil companies alone, are responsible for the prices they charge for their product.
NOT the President, and NOT the President's political party.
So if you can be as specific as possible, what Democratic Party or Biden admin policies are contributing directly to higher gasoline prices in the U.S.?
Depends on which "us" you're talking about.Quote:
> Being Pro-lockdown f'd us.
Honest answer: I do not know. I suspect there are several. One example: I believe it highly likely Saudi Arabia would increase production / refinement but for Biden's decision to halt arms sales to SA during their war with Yemeni rebels.cbbass1 said:Agree 100%!tequila4kapp said:Come on. Policy impacts how people act. People and companies do not exist in a vacuum.cbbass1 said:That's clearly NOT what I'm saying.tequila4kapp said:
So the oil companies conspired to screw the entire nation with historic gas prices starting Jan 7, 2020? They didn't do it to Clinton or Obama but there was something about Joe that set them off?
What I am saying is that oil companies, and oil companies alone, are responsible for the prices they charge for their product.
NOT the President, and NOT the President's political party.
So if you can be as specific as possible, what Democratic Party or Biden admin policies are contributing directly to higher gasoline prices in the U.S.?
I think he is actually contributing to the lower gas prices you are starting to see. Inflation from both Trump and Biden flooding demand with free money creating excess demand over supply once we opened back up creating high inflation leading to Biden and the Fed claiming inflation was only transitory making the Fed late to the game and now having to do a hard landing with anticipated recession without much improvement in supply chain leading to decreased demand for commercial activity and travel, leading to lower gasoline price.tequila4kapp said:Honest answer: I do not know. I suspect there are several. One example: I believe it highly likely Saudi Arabia would increase production / refinement but for Biden's decision to halt arms sales to SA during their war with Yemeni rebels.cbbass1 said:Agree 100%!tequila4kapp said:Come on. Policy impacts how people act. People and companies do not exist in a vacuum.cbbass1 said:That's clearly NOT what I'm saying.tequila4kapp said:
So the oil companies conspired to screw the entire nation with historic gas prices starting Jan 7, 2020? They didn't do it to Clinton or Obama but there was something about Joe that set them off?
What I am saying is that oil companies, and oil companies alone, are responsible for the prices they charge for their product.
NOT the President, and NOT the President's political party.
So if you can be as specific as possible, what Democratic Party or Biden admin policies are contributing directly to higher gasoline prices in the U.S.?
BearForce2 said:In early 2021 there was a debate among economists about the likely consequences of the American Rescue Plan. Some warned that the package would be inflationary; others were relaxed. “I was Team Relaxed,” says @paulkrugman. https://t.co/5mrwZvAX07 pic.twitter.com/AbhZyQa1H0
— New York Times Opinion (@nytopinion) July 21, 2022
I was wrong about inflation - Paul Krugman
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/21/opinion/paul-krugman-inflation.html
Hmm...demand outpacing supply is creating an inflation? What is the best strategy to combat inflation. Maybe more free money to stimulate more demand? Yes, brilliant!dimitrig said:BearForce2 said:In early 2021 there was a debate among economists about the likely consequences of the American Rescue Plan. Some warned that the package would be inflationary; others were relaxed. “I was Team Relaxed,” says @paulkrugman. https://t.co/5mrwZvAX07 pic.twitter.com/AbhZyQa1H0
— New York Times Opinion (@nytopinion) July 21, 2022
I was wrong about inflation - Paul Krugman
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/21/opinion/paul-krugman-inflation.html
He says:
"Everyone in the debate agreed that deficit spending would stimulate demand; everyone agreed that a stronger economy with a lower unemployment rate would, other things equal, have a higher inflation rate."
I don't think that last round of stimulus was a good idea for a lot of reasons, but clearly everyone knew is would cause inflation. It was just a debate over magnitude.
FWIW, I also think this California "gas rebate" is stupid. The state would be wise to hang onto that money for a rainy day.
Why must this be my side and your side. Both parties are guilty. Trump did a lot of inflationary things as well as Obama. Quantitative Easing was essential was just that, "essential", after 2009, but it went on far too long and far too much. Then Trump added to it, but Biden intentionally signaled his Climate Change folks with an strong anti fossil fuel agenda from day one. Add to that the trillions he added even without getting Build Back Better.It is shown easily with graphs that gas prices went up tremendously (if I recall accurately from about $2.50 to $4.00+ per gallon) before Putin stepped into Ukraine, and continued thereafter. Most of you people look at it from a "my side", "your side" lens as to who did what to whom.DiabloWags said:MinotStateBeav said:Being Pro-lockdown f'd us. This administration was tooting that horn for the entire first yearcbbass1 said:
Agree 100%!
So if you can be as specific as possible, what Democratic Party or Biden admin policies are contributing directly to higher gasoline prices in the U.S.?
For some reason, you conveniently left out the lockdown policy by Trump's White House and the guidelines proposed for State and Regional Gating Criteria for Re-Opening America that he gave "shade" to the States with.
It's puzzling why you would leave that out.
Guidelines - Document Viewer : NPR
Memorandum (whitehouse.gov)
Good answer, and yes, a very direct connection.tequila4kapp said:Honest answer: I do not know. I suspect there are several. One example: I believe it highly likely Saudi Arabia would increase production / refinement but for Biden's decision to halt arms sales to SA during their war with Yemeni rebels.cbbass1 said:Agree 100%!tequila4kapp said:Come on. Policy impacts how people act. People and companies do not exist in a vacuum.cbbass1 said:That's clearly NOT what I'm saying.tequila4kapp said:
So the oil companies conspired to screw the entire nation with historic gas prices starting Jan 7, 2020? They didn't do it to Clinton or Obama but there was something about Joe that set them off?
What I am saying is that oil companies, and oil companies alone, are responsible for the prices they charge for their product.
NOT the President, and NOT the President's political party.
So if you can be as specific as possible, what Democratic Party or Biden admin policies are contributing directly to higher gasoline prices in the U.S.?
cbbass1 said:Good answer, and yes, a very direct connection.tequila4kapp said:Honest answer: I do not know. I suspect there are several. One example: I believe it highly likely Saudi Arabia would increase production / refinement but for Biden's decision to halt arms sales to SA during their war with Yemeni rebels.cbbass1 said:Agree 100%!tequila4kapp said:Come on. Policy impacts how people act. People and companies do not exist in a vacuum.cbbass1 said:That's clearly NOT what I'm saying.tequila4kapp said:
So the oil companies conspired to screw the entire nation with historic gas prices starting Jan 7, 2020? They didn't do it to Clinton or Obama but there was something about Joe that set them off?
What I am saying is that oil companies, and oil companies alone, are responsible for the prices they charge for their product.
NOT the President, and NOT the President's political party.
So if you can be as specific as possible, what Democratic Party or Biden admin policies are contributing directly to higher gasoline prices in the U.S.?
I'll stand with Biden on this one, and take the $ hit. I also believe that the policy on SA arms sales is also tied to MBS's murder of U.S./WaPo journalist Jamal Khashoggi. There's little doubt that SA would rather be dealing with Trump (or a Republican) than Biden & the Dems.
That said, I also think that the Biden admin's sanctions on Russia's oil & gas sales will prove to be a net negative for the U.S. economy, not just for their inflationary impact, but for accelerating the transition of the world economy from U.S.-centered globalism to more multi-polar, and for accelerating the economic development of the BRICS as a more independent economy.
The question is, how much of the CPI increase, and how much of the U.S. gasoline price increase, can we attribute to these influences?
OdontoBear66 said:
It is shown easily with graphs that gas prices went up tremendously (if I recall accurately from about $2.50 to $4.00+ per gallon) before Putin stepped into Ukraine, and continued thereafter. Most of you people look at it from a "my side", "your side" lens as to who did what to whom.
We've got inflation now. Joe is in the seat. We had Covid getting started in February 2020 and Trump was in the seat. It goes with the territory. Perception becomes one's reality. Overspending has been the problem.