Discussion on Musk's DoGE ideas, the federal deficit, and GDP

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chazzed
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Lord he's a clown.


movielover
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DiabloWags
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Nothing to see here.
No worries.

Just Elon Musk wanting access into the IRS system.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/17/business/musk-irs-doge.html
bear2034
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George Washington is still receiving SS checks in the mail.
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bear2034
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MinotStateBeav
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It's actually stunning they haven't done an audit of the gold reserves since 1974 lol.
DiabloWags
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H.R.3526 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): Gold Reserve Transparency Act of 2021 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
bearister
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bear2034 said:




Musk better tread lightly. Isn't he aware of what happened to the last guy that planned a raid on Fort Knox?




*…and flying is already too dangerous right now.
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Eastern Oregon Bear
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DiabloWags said:

H.R.3526 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): Gold Reserve Transparency Act of 2021 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

Sheesh. The gullibility of the Trumpies is shocking. "I read it on X so it must be true!"
Eastern Oregon Bear
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bear2034 said:

George Washington is still receiving SS checks in the mail.
Cite? No, your anterior orifices don't count.
chazzed
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My heavens.

Eastern Oregon Bear
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chazzed said:

My heavens.


On second thought, I won't go there.
chazzed
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"But the DOGE billionaires really care about me. I just know it."


movielover
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Because the UK has done so well taxing the rich, they're leaving in droves, replaced by uneducated legal and illegal immigrants.
movielover
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We're gonna need a bigger boat.

bear2034
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The state of California needs its own DOGE branch office.
movielover
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Eastern Oregon Bear
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bear2034 said:

The state of California needs its own DOGE branch office.
Win some California elections. Until then, the people of California have spoken.
bear2034
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

bear2034 said:

The state of California needs its own DOGE branch office.
Win some California elections. Until then, the people of California have spoken.
The people of California have been leaving the state of California.
movielover
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Time to move some more departments out of DC. Department of Ag, HHS?

(BLM moved to Colorado in Trump term 1. Ninety percent of employees resigned.)
movielover
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Trump Effect? Will DOGE will go global?

Vietnam parliament to approve plan for leaner government

Excerpt:

Vietnam's National Assembly will on Tuesday approve a bold bureaucratic reform plan that will slash up to a fifth of government bodies, as it tries to cut costs and improve administrative efficiency.

The assembly earlier on Tuesday passed an amendment to a Law on Organising the Government, paving the way for a cull of 15% to 20% of the state apparatus that will include five ministries, four agencies and five state television channels, among other cuts.

https://archive.is/j1y1l
DiabloWags
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It's so easy to fire probationary workers for "performance" and do so without any evidence.

Trump administration fires thousands for 'performance' without evidence, in messy rush
DiabloWags
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bear2034 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

bear2034 said:

The state of California needs its own DOGE branch office.
Win some California elections. Until then, the people of California have spoken.
The people of California have been leaving the state of California.

239,000.

Mainly because the median sale price of a home is $831,300 and nearly double the national median price.

Some people can't afford to live in California, that's why they live in their parent's basement.

Where do you live?




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Anarchistbear said:

Meanwhile outside the penny arcade Repubs are working to extend the current tax cut s at a cost of 4.5 trillion. Problem is they want to add new incentives- repeal SALT, don't tax tips, social security, overtime- costing another trillion or so
An overlooked element of DOGE is this question: to what end? Is it to reduce the size of government and balance the budget? Or is it to realign the federal government ideologically toward Trump while deficit spending the same amount (ie, all these DOGE savings get spent on tax cuts and infrastructure spending).
tequila4kapp
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Another overlooked element of DOGE...what are the implications for our economy?

- 250K unemployed people hit the doles all at once.
- Most / many of those people are in a single city (housing market, small businesses impacted, etc.)
- Maybe upwards of a trillion dollars removed from the economy all at once. That money pays salaries, buys goods and services, etc.
AunBear89
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You voted for this.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
BearGoggles
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tequila4kapp said:

Anarchistbear said:

Meanwhile outside the penny arcade Repubs are working to extend the current tax cut s at a cost of 4.5 trillion. Problem is they want to add new incentives- repeal SALT, don't tax tips, social security, overtime- costing another trillion or so
An overlooked element of DOGE is this question: to what end? Is it to reduce the size of government and balance the budget? Or is it to realign the federal government ideologically toward Trump while deficit spending the same amount (ie, all these DOGE savings get spent on tax cuts and infrastructure spending).
I think it is the latter more than the former. But a combination of the two.

In terms of 250k people hitting unemployment at the same time, I believe that was part of the theory behind offering 8 months of severance. Beyond that, unemployment is low, so now is the time to do this.

Another hidden impact is the loss of funding by a variety of NGOs and other government contractors with resulting job loss. Those people likely will not have generous severance packages. Some of those people are overpaid political insiders who I don't have much sympathy for. But many people are just staffers/admin and they certainly are worthy of empathy/sympathy.
DiabloWags
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tequila4kapp said:

Anarchistbear said:

Meanwhile outside the penny arcade Repubs are working to extend the current tax cut s at a cost of 4.5 trillion. Problem is they want to add new incentives- repeal SALT, don't tax tips, social security, overtime- costing another trillion or so
An overlooked element of DOGE is this question: to what end? Is it to reduce the size of government and balance the budget? Or is it to realign the federal government ideologically toward Trump while deficit spending the same amount (ie, all these DOGE savings get spent on tax cuts and infrastructure spending).

Bingo!

I would say that it is the LATTER given that the Administration is using terribly optimistic assumptions on how much "growth" will be generated via the extension of tax cuts.

Instead of reducing spending to offset the entire tax cut, the House budget plan relies on an overly optimistic $2.6 Trillion in higher revenues from assumed faster economic growth.

Given the tariffs, foreign retaliation, and immigration restrictions that all add up to increased inflation and higher interest rates, I certainly question such an overly optimistic $2.6 Trillion in higher revenues.

Everyone should.
bear2034
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AunBear89 said:

You voted for this.
You're paying for this.
AunBear89
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We're all paying for it, and Trump and Musk are reaping the benefits. You clowns got played.

Vote for a clown, enjoy the circus.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
bear2034
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tequila4kapp said:

Another overlooked element of DOGE...what are the implications for our economy?

- 250K unemployed people hit the doles all at once.
- Most / many of those people are in a single city (housing market, small businesses impacted, etc.)
- Maybe upwards of a trillion dollars removed from the economy all at once. That money pays salaries, buys goods and services, etc.

The government employees have 8 months of severance to look for another job. However, based on some of these high salaries for workers in DC, they may not find jobs in the private sector with comparable numbers.
Anarchistbear
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All the DOGE "savings" should be refunded to taxpayers. Isnt that the whole spirit? But of course this is a shell game so we won't see our $132 refunds
movielover
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$36 Trillion in debt, $2.5 Trillion new debt a year, $1 Trillion in interest payments every year.

When do we get serious? 2030? 2028? (Under a Progressive? Never.)

We have a unique president, Musk, and DOGE. The time is now.
bear2034
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movielover said:

$36 Trillion in debt, $2.5 Trillion new debt a year, $1 Trillion in interest payments every year.

When do we get serious? 2030? 2028? (Under a Progressive? Never.)

We have a unique president, Musk, and DOGE. The time is now.

And it hasn't even been one month yet since Trump took office.
 
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