bear2034 said:
Elon and Zohran are both black.
going4roses, your thoughts?
You must have skipped your coffee today, they're both Black.
New York City race for Mayor
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You must have skipped your coffee today, they're both Black.
America is beautiful, contradictory, unfinished. I am proud of our country even as we constantly strive to make it better, to protect and deepen our democracy, to fulfill its promise for each and every person who calls it home.
— Zohran Kwame Mamdani (@ZohranKMamdani) July 4, 2025
Happy Independence Day. No Kings in America.
No Short Kings?
No Sacramento Kings either.movielover said:
No Short Kings?
Mr. Wonderful brings it.
NEW: Kevin O’Leary says Mamdani will turn New York City from the American dream into the American NIGHTMARE.
— The Vigilant Fox 🦊 (@VigilantFox) July 4, 2025
Once again, Mr. Wonderful calls it exactly how he sees it, and he’s spot on.
“What he’s been doing is running around the streets of New York and saying FREE taxis, FREE… pic.twitter.com/8lmDqU5nR6
We went to NYC again and had another great day in a great city. Surprised that the city wasn't more crowded though. A lot of New Yorkers would head out of town for the 3 day weekend but we were around Times Square which is all tourists. Driving into / out of the tunnel was freakishly without delays. Never gotten in and out so easy before.
Mamdani won the nomination with strong support from voters under 30.
"The kids are going to be the death of New York," Hank Sheinkopf says, a veteran Democratic political consultant who had worked for the Carl McCall campaign for NY Governor in 2002.
He describes thise "kids" as "white and not poor, but middle to high income."
He calls them "the most pampered generation in the history of the world" and says they have "eaten more regularly than any other generation. Theyve never had a tough day."
True, "they cant buy an apartment," he says.
"But they can buy a $9 latte, and a $100 dinner."
Mamdani, who won 56% of the votes after three rounds of ranked-choice calculations, heads into a likely close general election in November.
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2025-mamdani-nyc-voters/?ai=eyJpc1N1YnNjcmliZWQiOnRydWUsImFydGljbGVSZWFkIjpmYWxzZSwiYXJ0aWNsZUNvdW50IjowLCJ3YWxsSGVpZ2h0IjoxfQ==
"The kids are going to be the death of New York," Hank Sheinkopf says, a veteran Democratic political consultant who had worked for the Carl McCall campaign for NY Governor in 2002.
He describes thise "kids" as "white and not poor, but middle to high income."
He calls them "the most pampered generation in the history of the world" and says they have "eaten more regularly than any other generation. Theyve never had a tough day."
True, "they cant buy an apartment," he says.
"But they can buy a $9 latte, and a $100 dinner."
Mamdani, who won 56% of the votes after three rounds of ranked-choice calculations, heads into a likely close general election in November.
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2025-mamdani-nyc-voters/?ai=eyJpc1N1YnNjcmliZWQiOnRydWUsImFydGljbGVSZWFkIjpmYWxzZSwiYXJ0aWNsZUNvdW50IjowLCJ3YWxsSGVpZ2h0IjoxfQ==
There is a large group of people, arguably a majority of New Yorkers, for whom NYC is already dead for them, being completely priced out of the housing market for starts.
Old people's votes should be capped at 70. You're done, Gramps- no more voting.
Cant wait to see this clown get elected and double-down on rent control.
Never mind that economists across nearly all political divides have said that rent control has destroyed every city it has touched.
Gotta seize "the means of production" cause you know REAL COMMUNISM has never been tried.
Nice job Democratic Party!
Signed,
Diablo Wags
NYC resident and taxpayer.
1984 - 1993
Never mind that economists across nearly all political divides have said that rent control has destroyed every city it has touched.
Gotta seize "the means of production" cause you know REAL COMMUNISM has never been tried.
Nice job Democratic Party!
Signed,
Diablo Wags
NYC resident and taxpayer.
1984 - 1993
We have a new leader in the clubhouse for most stupid post on BI.Anarchistbear said:
Old people's votes should be capped at 70. You're done, Gramps- no more voting.
Every so often a generation has to learn the hard way about socialism. Looks like NYC younger voters are next up.DiabloWags said:
Cant wait to see this clown get elected and double-down on rent control.
Never mind that economists across nearly all political divides have said that rent control has destroyed every city it has touched.
Gotta seize "the means of production" cause you know REAL COMMUNISM has never been tried.
Nice job Democratic Party!
Signed,
Diablo Wags
NYC resident and taxpayer.
1984 - 1993
I lived in a rent control apartment in Berkeley. It was a **** hole because they never repaired anything. We also had to bribe the landlord to get the place. And once anyone got a rent control apartment they never gave them up, even after graduation.
tequila4kapp said:Every so often a generation has to learn the hard way about socialism. Looks like NYC younger voters are next up.DiabloWags said:
Cant wait to see this clown get elected and double-down on rent control.
Never mind that economists across nearly all political divides have said that rent control has destroyed every city it has touched.
Gotta seize "the means of production" cause you know REAL COMMUNISM has never been tried.
Nice job Democratic Party!
Signed,
Diablo Wags
NYC resident and taxpayer.
1984 - 1993
I lived in a rent control apartment in Berkeley. It was a **** hole because they never repaired anything. We also had to bribe the landlord to get the place. And once anyone got a rent control apartment they never gave them up, even after graduation.
In Berkeley, the main problem is NIMBY anti-growth, downtown should be lined with student housing highrises, as should the main commercial arteries.
More generally though, you guys are completely out of touch with the realities of the current housing markets, it's not 1993 anymore. Back then you could rent a loft in Manhattan for $1,500, My friend who went to Columbia for grad school in 1990 rented a 1Bdr Apt in the Upper West Side for $700. That flat would go today for $5k. In other words, the rents aren't commensurate with maintenance costs or upkeep, it's been pure gravy for well over a decade, the markets have been completely distorted.
The problem is ideological, in that guys are religiously committed to ideologies like Friedman's, which do work under certain conditions but not in modern day cases where markets are distorted.
I agree that housing is a real problem. I do not believe rent control or government built 'affordable housing' is the answer.
tequila4kapp said:We have a new leader in the clubhouse for most stupid post on BI.Anarchistbear said:
Old people's votes should be capped at 70. You're done, Gramps- no more voting.
Yeah. Lesson: know your audience!
Big C said:tequila4kapp said:We have a new leader in the clubhouse for most stupid post on BI.Anarchistbear said:
Old people's votes should be capped at 70. You're done, Gramps- no more voting.
Yeah. Lesson: know your audience!
The best part of most young men today ran down their mom's leg.
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Full socialism isn't happening in the United States. A few more socialist add-ons to a mostly capitalist system, though? We've done that before and can do it again. Mamdani is just going to be somewhere on that spectrum.
Fiorello LaGuardia was a socialist and Republican.
Mayor of New York from 1934 - 1946.
But Mamdani is far more left-wing than his socialist predecessors.
And remember that the NY Governor Kathy Hochul would have ro sign-off on any tax increases. She's vowrd not to do so.
Mayor of New York from 1934 - 1946.
But Mamdani is far more left-wing than his socialist predecessors.
And remember that the NY Governor Kathy Hochul would have ro sign-off on any tax increases. She's vowrd not to do so.
When you have large groups of people who are disillusioned and/or apathetic with the political process, this is the result. Let them try to do something locally. Unfortunately with our stupid system it's assumed it represents a national movement by a political party but nothing could be further for the truth
DiabloWags said:
Fiorello LaGuardia was a socialist and Republican.
Mayor of New York from 1934 - 1946.
But Mamdani is far more left-wing than his socialist predecessors.
And remember that the NY Governor Kathy Hochul would have ro sign-off on any tax increases. She's vowrd not to do so.
That last part is part of what I mean. Capitalism is highly ingrained to the USA at this point. There are too many checks on full socialism to worry about it in the near term or even the medium term.
New York City can experiment if that's what the people want. Sometimes useful ideas come out of that. If it doesn't work then they'll just replace Mamdani.
People on the right say that about Trump.Anarchistbear said:
When you have large groups of people who are disillusioned and/or apathetic with the political process, this is the result. Let them try to do something locally. Unfortunately with our stupid system it's assumed it represents a national movement by a political party but nothing could be further for the truth
Socialism has been tried and failed. It will do so again. Eventually you always run out of people to redistribute wealth from. And Socialism naively assumes things about the behavior of humans which undermines its objectives.
sycasey said:DiabloWags said:
Fiorello LaGuardia was a socialist and Republican.
Mayor of New York from 1934 - 1946.
But Mamdani is far more left-wing than his socialist predecessors.
And remember that the NY Governor Kathy Hochul would have ro sign-off on any tax increases. She's vowrd not to do so.
That last part is part of what I mean. Capitalism is highly ingrained to the USA at this point. There are too many checks on full socialism to worry about it in the near term or even the medium term.
New York City can experiment if that's what the people want. Sometimes useful ideas come out of that. If it doesn't work then they'll just replace Mamdani.
It's kind of funny when you hear people suggest there is a socialist movement in America. Public housing - been around in America for 90 years. Rent control - been in New York since World War Ii.
We have 1 party that is full laissez-faire capitalist (for white people) with a safety net for old people and 1 party that struggles between laissez-faire capitalists that flood them with money and a constituency that wants to gradually expand what is left of the New Deal from what our Cold War fighting grandparents had.
tequila4kapp said:People on the right say that about Trump.Anarchistbear said:
When you have large groups of people who are disillusioned and/or apathetic with the political process, this is the result. Let them try to do something locally. Unfortunately with our stupid system it's assumed it represents a national movement by a political party but nothing could be further for the truth
Socialism has been tried and failed. It will do so again. Eventually you always run out of people to redistribute wealth from. And Socialism naively assumes things about the behavior of humans which undermines its objectives.
There are numerous examples of socialist policies- universal health care, free education,unemployment insurance, public transport, social security- which operate in capitalist and democratic countries including this one without state ownership.
Those are not examples of Socialism. Those are largely social safety nets that everyone pays into with their taxes. Mamdani said the magic words for Socialism: seize the means of production. His other plans are wealth redistribution, which is demonstrably different than everyone paying something for a social benefit. .Anarchistbear said:There are numerous examples of socialist policies- universal health care, free education,unemployment insurance, public transport, social security- which operate in capitalist and democratic countries including this one without state ownership.tequila4kapp said:People on the right say that about Trump.Anarchistbear said:
When you have large groups of people who are disillusioned and/or apathetic with the political process, this is the result. Let them try to do something locally. Unfortunately with our stupid system it's assumed it represents a national movement by a political party but nothing could be further for the truth
Socialism has been tried and failed. It will do so again. Eventually you always run out of people to redistribute wealth from. And Socialism naively assumes things about the behavior of humans which undermines its objectives.
tequila4kapp said:Those are not examples of Socialism. Those are largely social safety nets that everyone pays into with their taxes. Mamdamni said the magic words for Socialism: seize the means of production. His other plans are wealth redistribution, which is demonstrably different than everyone paying something for a social benefit. .Anarchistbear said:There are numerous examples of socialist policies- universal health care, free education,unemployment insurance, public transport, social security- which operate in capitalist and democratic countries including this one without state ownership.tequila4kapp said:People on the right say that about Trump.Anarchistbear said:
When you have large groups of people who are disillusioned and/or apathetic with the political process, this is the result. Let them try to do something locally. Unfortunately with our stupid system it's assumed it represents a national movement by a political party but nothing could be further for the truth
Socialism has been tried and failed. It will do so again. Eventually you always run out of people to redistribute wealth from. And Socialism naively assumes things about the behavior of humans which undermines its objectives.
So what is an example- according to your definition- of a socialist country now operating in the world.?
China comes close, though technically a hybrid system blending capitalism and socialism. as well most of western Europe are social democracies. China has been a stunning economic success.
Russia nationalized large swats of its economy, which had turned into a neoliberal Milton Friedman dystopia in the 1990s, time during which nearly half of Russians fell into abject poverty.
Russia nationalized large swats of its economy, which had turned into a neoliberal Milton Friedman dystopia in the 1990s, time during which nearly half of Russians fell into abject poverty.
And Cuba.
tequila4kapp said:
And Cuba.
So this is your biggest fear? That New York City is going to turn into Cuba.
You are not a serious person
Do not be an idiot. YOU asked for examples of COUNTRIES.Anarchistbear said:So this is your biggest fear? That New York City is going to turn into Cuba.tequila4kapp said:
And Cuba.
You are not a serious person
And it's debatable if the Republicans are even that anymore.dajo9 said:sycasey said:DiabloWags said:
Fiorello LaGuardia was a socialist and Republican.
Mayor of New York from 1934 - 1946.
But Mamdani is far more left-wing than his socialist predecessors.
And remember that the NY Governor Kathy Hochul would have ro sign-off on any tax increases. She's vowrd not to do so.
That last part is part of what I mean. Capitalism is highly ingrained to the USA at this point. There are too many checks on full socialism to worry about it in the near term or even the medium term.
New York City can experiment if that's what the people want. Sometimes useful ideas come out of that. If it doesn't work then they'll just replace Mamdani.
It's kind of funny when you hear people suggest there is a socialist movement in America. Public housing - been around in America for 90 years. Rent control - been in New York since World War Ii.
We have 1 party that is full laissez-faire capitalist (for white people) with a safety net for old people and 1 party that struggles between laissez-faire capitalists that flood them with money and a constituency that wants to gradually expand what is left of the New Deal from what our Cold War fighting grandparents had.
Right. But with experience and time we have the ability to see that rent control and public housing do not work. We are basically repeating the public housing approach of the 60s and 70s with the homeless and it is failing again.
We need more supply. We need more market based approaches. Eliminate interest rate deductions for non-primary residences. Have a creative approach to taxing rental income above a certain threshold, perhaps a factor of the home's value.
Government programs certainly play a role too but they should be focused on empowering and enabling individual (eg more HUD Section 8 funding), not on manipulating the market artificially/arbitrarily, and not repeating approaches we know have failed in the past.
We need more supply. We need more market based approaches. Eliminate interest rate deductions for non-primary residences. Have a creative approach to taxing rental income above a certain threshold, perhaps a factor of the home's value.
Government programs certainly play a role too but they should be focused on empowering and enabling individual (eg more HUD Section 8 funding), not on manipulating the market artificially/arbitrarily, and not repeating approaches we know have failed in the past.
Some of Mamdani's rhetoric indicates that he's open to other ways of increasing supply beyond just state-owned stuff. If he wins we'll have to see what that would look like. I'm not sure that "public option" stuff has to fail, but it can't be the only thing you do.tequila4kapp said:
Right. But with experience and time we have the ability to see that rent control and public housing do not work. We are basically repeating the public housing approach of the 60s and 70s with the homeless and it is failing again.
We need more supply. We need more market based approaches. Eliminate interest rate deductions for non-primary residences. Have a creative approach to taxing rental income above a certain threshold, perhaps a factor of the home's value.
Government programs certainly play a role too but they should be focused on empowering and enabling individual (eg more HUD Section 8 funding), not on manipulating the market artificially/arbitrarily, and not repeating approaches we know have failed in the past.
You can see that the right has nothing to offer on housing from the contradictions in tequila's response.sycasey said:Some of Mamdani's rhetoric indicates that he's open to other ways of increasing supply beyond just state-owned stuff. If he wins we'll have to see what that would look like. I'm not sure that "public option" stuff has to fail, but it can't be the only thing you do.tequila4kapp said:
Right. But with experience and time we have the ability to see that rent control and public housing do not work. We are basically repeating the public housing approach of the 60s and 70s with the homeless and it is failing again.
We need more supply. We need more market based approaches. Eliminate interest rate deductions for non-primary residences. Have a creative approach to taxing rental income above a certain threshold, perhaps a factor of the home's value.
Government programs certainly play a role too but they should be focused on empowering and enabling individual (eg more HUD Section 8 funding), not on manipulating the market artificially/arbitrarily, and not repeating approaches we know have failed in the past.
"We need more supply" is contradictory to "taxing rental income above a certain threshold". Outsized rental income generates supply. Without one you limit the other - that is the market solution. But it fails because the market is incentivized to build higher end properties and not low income housing, particularly in high density areas like New York.
He also says that public housing did not work but it actually did work. The reduction of public housing is part of why the homeless problem has gotten so bad and supply is so low. The housing market was far more functional in the 60s and 70s than today. The problem with public housing from the 70s was lack of adequate investment in existing units which were eventually shut down. Another case of the right creates a problem and then tells us we can't solve the problem.
Stricter rent control (a temporary freeze) combined with more public housing is exactly what New York needs right now. Keep building public housing until the rent increases moderate on their own from supply and demand. The current market based system is broken.
tequila4kapp said:
Right. But with experience and time we have the ability to see that rent control and public housing do not work. We are basically repeating the public housing approach of the 60s and 70s with the homeless and it is failing again.
We need more supply. We need more market based approaches. Eliminate interest rate deductions for non-primary residences. Have a creative approach to taxing rental income above a certain threshold, perhaps a factor of the home's value.
Government programs certainly play a role too but they should be focused on empowering and enabling individual (eg more HUD Section 8 funding), not on manipulating the market artificially/arbitrarily, and not repeating approaches we know have failed in the past.
Then there is this:
What percentage of US housing is owned by private equity?
Last year private investors bought 26% of the most affordable homes across America, pushing working families out of the market. The top private equity firms are estimated to own more than 500,000 homes across the United States and are expected to control 40% of the U.S. single-family rental market by 2030.
Private equity also destroyed the mobile home market, that is a very interesting case study of late stage capitalism gone wild.
It's gotten to a point where "Cuba" has become more preferable than Blackrock.
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