Some musings about the Democratic Party's deep challenge

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In reply to sycasey • 11:21a, 6/4/26
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Palestinian activists attacking AOC are dumb. She is more on your side than almost anyone else in Congress.

This is what someone who actually supports Palestinians looks like

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In reply to Aunburdened • 11:31a, 6/4/26
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sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:

Palestinian activists attacking AOC are dumb. She is more on your side than almost anyone else in Congress.

This is what someone who actually supports Palestinians looks like

Hey man, I looked at some stuff and it seems like this group at least has AOC in the top 10 of most Palestine-supportive Congresspeople. Also, LOL at the idea that someone like Marjorie Taylor Greene is to the left of her based on one vote and one statement; the rest of the record doesn't support that.



So I'm not sure I'm buying your argument that she's not supportive, but I'm sure she could be better too.
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In reply to sycasey • 11:54a, 6/4/26
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:

Palestinian activists attacking AOC are dumb. She is more on your side than almost anyone else in Congress.

This is what someone who actually supports Palestinians looks like

Hey man, I looked at some stuff and it seems like this group at least has AOC in the top 10 of most Palestine-supportive Congresspeople. Also, LOL at the idea that someone like Marjorie Taylor Greene is to the left of her based on one vote and one statement; the rest of the record doesn't support that.



So I'm not sure I'm buying your argument that she's not supportive, but I'm sure she could be better too.

"Kamala Harris is working tirelessly on a ceasefire."

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In reply to sycasey • 12:18p, 6/4/26
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:

Palestinian activists attacking AOC are dumb. She is more on your side than almost anyone else in Congress.

This is what someone who actually supports Palestinians looks like

Hey man, I looked at some stuff and it seems like this group at least has AOC in the top 10 of most Palestine-supportive Congresspeople. Also, LOL at the idea that someone like Marjorie Taylor Greene is to the left of her based on one vote and one statement; the rest of the record doesn't support that.



So I'm not sure I'm buying your argument that she's not supportive, but I'm sure she could be better too.


AOC is fake, whereas MTG is genuine. MTG is also "to the left" of both AOC and Bernie when it comes to Gaza and foreign policy, if being to the left means being against the genocide.

Bernie and AOC refused to call the genocide at Gaza, only did so recently, because they started to feel the heat from their constituency. They can read the room, but will also put the backroom ahead, especially AOC.

Look, unlike Yogi I am a big tent kind of guy, but AOC is the proverbial fox in the henhouse that Malcolm X warned about.
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In reply to Cal88 • 12:26p, 6/4/26
"AOC is fake…."


Are you sure?

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In reply to Cal88 • 1:21p, 6/4/26
MTG allegedly got rich off Insider trading, just like AOC.
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In reply to movielover • 2:01p, 6/4/26
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MTG allegedly got rich off Insider trading, just like AOC.

For as much as I criticize AOC for all of her performative fakeness, she is one of the few people in Congress who has not become wealthy while in office.

https://www.thestreet.com/personalities/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-net-worth
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2:27p, 6/4/26
Pro-Israel Democrats doing what they do best

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In reply to Cal88 • 2:33p, 6/4/26
Cal88 said:
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:

Palestinian activists attacking AOC are dumb. She is more on your side than almost anyone else in Congress.

This is what someone who actually supports Palestinians looks like

Hey man, I looked at some stuff and it seems like this group at least has AOC in the top 10 of most Palestine-supportive Congresspeople. Also, LOL at the idea that someone like Marjorie Taylor Greene is to the left of her based on one vote and one statement; the rest of the record doesn't support that.



So I'm not sure I'm buying your argument that she's not supportive, but I'm sure she could be better too.


AOC is fake, whereas MTG is genuine. MTG is also "to the left" of both AOC and Bernie when it comes to Gaza and foreign policy, if being to the left means being against the genocide.

You all are basing this on one thing MTG said one time and one vote she took. It doesn't mean she's suddenly pro-Palestine, come on now. This is getting distracted by the newest bright shiny object.

Also, you can't use this thin evidence and then accuse me of not paying attention to all the votes. Looking at all the votes gives a very different picture. I mean, kudos to MTG for breaking with her party here but it doesn't mean she's more pro-Palestine than Bernie or AOC.
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2:45p, 6/4/26
MLK tapes to be released in six months (?) with all the dirt, adultery by ministers, abuse of women, etc. History is messy.

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In reply to sycasey • 3:36p, 6/4/26
sycasey said:
Cal88 said:
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:

Palestinian activists attacking AOC are dumb. She is more on your side than almost anyone else in Congress.

This is what someone who actually supports Palestinians looks like

Hey man, I looked at some stuff and it seems like this group at least has AOC in the top 10 of most Palestine-supportive Congresspeople. Also, LOL at the idea that someone like Marjorie Taylor Greene is to the left of her based on one vote and one statement; the rest of the record doesn't support that.



So I'm not sure I'm buying your argument that she's not supportive, but I'm sure she could be better too.


AOC is fake, whereas MTG is genuine. MTG is also "to the left" of both AOC and Bernie when it comes to Gaza and foreign policy, if being to the left means being against the genocide.

You all are basing this on one thing MTG said one time and one vote she took. It doesn't mean she's suddenly pro-Palestine, come on now. This is getting distracted by the newest bright shiny object.

Also, you can't use this thin evidence and then accuse me of not paying attention to all the votes. Looking at all the votes gives a very different picture. I mean, kudos to MTG for breaking with her party here but it doesn't mean she's more pro-Palestine than Bernie or AOC.

Yeah, MTG isn't pro-Palestine, she's just anti-US involvement abroad. One could argue that she has just never bothered to develop much of a "world view", but still...
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In reply to sycasey • 3:39p, 6/4/26
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So you don't think there will be a schism or you do?

The US is built towards a 2-party system so there will regularly be schisms and reformations on both sides as the coalitions change. This is typical.

Absolutely correct, but if ever there was a time for a moderate, "common sense" party, it is now. OTOH, the American electorate these days seems to be attracted more to demagoguery than to common sense.
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In reply to Big C • 3:52p, 6/4/26
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sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
So you don't think there will be a schism or you do?

The US is built towards a 2-party system so there will regularly be schisms and reformations on both sides as the coalitions change. This is typical.

Absolutely correct, but if ever there was a time for a moderate, "common sense" party, it is now. OTOH, the American electorate these days seems to be attracted more to demagoguery than to common sense.

Right-wing extremism is so uncommon that left-wing extremists have to fund it.

Waiting for the common-sense people on the left to make the first move and denounce their own extremists.
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3:58p, 6/4/26
Progressive policies will destroy America, just like they are now destroying Western Europe.

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In reply to Cal88 • 7:49p, 6/4/26
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In reply to sycasey • 9:38p, 6/4/26
sycasey said:
Cal88 said:
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:

Palestinian activists attacking AOC are dumb. She is more on your side than almost anyone else in Congress.

This is what someone who actually supports Palestinians looks like

Hey man, I looked at some stuff and it seems like this group at least has AOC in the top 10 of most Palestine-supportive Congresspeople. Also, LOL at the idea that someone like Marjorie Taylor Greene is to the left of her based on one vote and one statement; the rest of the record doesn't support that.



So I'm not sure I'm buying your argument that she's not supportive, but I'm sure she could be better too.


AOC is fake, whereas MTG is genuine. MTG is also "to the left" of both AOC and Bernie when it comes to Gaza and foreign policy, if being to the left means being against the genocide.

You all are basing this on one thing MTG said one time and one vote she took. It doesn't mean she's suddenly pro-Palestine, come on now. This is getting distracted by the newest bright shiny object.

Also, you can't use this thin evidence and then accuse me of not paying attention to all the votes. Looking at all the votes gives a very different picture. I mean, kudos to MTG for breaking with her party here but it doesn't mean she's more pro-Palestine than Bernie or AOC.


Your take here is a bit superficial, probably due to not being exposed to serious reporting on Palestine.

Bernie was all in with Israel on their last invasion of Lebanon. AOC is worse, purely performative and calculating, while posing as a caring progressive.
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In reply to Aunburdened • 11:56p, 6/4/26
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Follow-up - this lady's article got so much criticism, she protected her entire account because she got tired of people ripping her.

https://x.com/annierlevin

Republicans may be a toxic brand right now, but people's memories of how the Democrats did nothing for them in the Biden years remain strong. Hatred of both of these parties is at an all-time high and I'm here for it.
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4:05a, 6/5/26
Biden positively transformed my Mother's retirement with the Social Security Fairness Act. There's lots of good things Biden did but all the media did was scream about the deaths from ending a Forever War, inflation that was global and caused by Covid (and transitory if you know what that word means in an economic sense), and in the end his health.

I noticed last month the media reported the lower Core CPI as the headline. For Biden it was always the higher of the two.
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In reply to dajo9 • 5:18a, 6/5/26
The blob did that, not a barely coherent Biden.
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5:38a, 6/5/26
New York Post: Graham Platner told bizarre fantasies about raping home invaders 'not in a gay way,' ex-girlfriend claims

https://nypost.com/2026/06/04/us-news/graham-platner-told-bizarre-fantasies-about-raping-home-invaders-ex-girlfriend-claims/
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In reply to movielover • 7:08a
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The blob did that, not a barely coherent Biden.


Our blob is better than your blob helping a rambling, dementia'd Trump
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In reply to dajo9 • 7:19a
The American System > British Imperialism

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In reply to movielover • 7:39a
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The American System > British Imperialism


Her take on geopolitics is from the 1950s. British imperialism has been waning for decades.
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In reply to Cal88 • 8:12a
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Her take on geopolitics is from the 1950s. British imperialism has been waning for decades.

It didn't wane soon enough for these lads:

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In reply to Cal88 • 10:07a
Cal88 said:
sycasey said:
Cal88 said:
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:
sycasey said:
Aunburdened said:

Palestinian activists attacking AOC are dumb. She is more on your side than almost anyone else in Congress.

This is what someone who actually supports Palestinians looks like

Hey man, I looked at some stuff and it seems like this group at least has AOC in the top 10 of most Palestine-supportive Congresspeople. Also, LOL at the idea that someone like Marjorie Taylor Greene is to the left of her based on one vote and one statement; the rest of the record doesn't support that.



So I'm not sure I'm buying your argument that she's not supportive, but I'm sure she could be better too.


AOC is fake, whereas MTG is genuine. MTG is also "to the left" of both AOC and Bernie when it comes to Gaza and foreign policy, if being to the left means being against the genocide.

You all are basing this on one thing MTG said one time and one vote she took. It doesn't mean she's suddenly pro-Palestine, come on now. This is getting distracted by the newest bright shiny object.

Also, you can't use this thin evidence and then accuse me of not paying attention to all the votes. Looking at all the votes gives a very different picture. I mean, kudos to MTG for breaking with her party here but it doesn't mean she's more pro-Palestine than Bernie or AOC.


Your take here is a bit superficial, probably due to not being exposed to serious reporting on Palestine.

Bernie was all in with Israel on their last invasion of Lebanon. AOC is worse, purely performative and calculating, while posing as a caring progressive.

AOC's votes prove that she will actually vote for things in Congress to help Palestinians. Whether or not she's "fake" about her intentions doesn't make a damn bit of difference to me if she'll almost always vote the right way. Outcomes matter more than purity.
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In reply to Aunburdened • 10:11a
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Didn't Cindy Sheehan also start embracing weird conspiracy beliefs, like thinking that Osama Bin Laden had not actually been killed? Can't say I blame the Democrats or anyone else for dropping her once she started saying that stuff.
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10:13a
Illegal Hondurans running meth and fentanyl in The City. Where's ICE?

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In reply to movielover • 1:16p
movielover said:
The American System > British Imperialism


This lady makes a coherent argument, but unfortunately she's attributing far more forethought and intention to Trump's cabinet than any of them deserve. They are all incompetent buffoons. Nothing that they've done with tariff policy has been well-thought out, coherent, or a benefit to the U.S. at all.
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