Blue Cash Matters said:
sycasey said:
White Supr Black Lesbian said:
sycasey said:
AunBear89 said:
"It is funny how every time you claim you are proven right you are proven to be an idiot."
It's kinda his thing.
No one should ever forget that he's the "Aaron Rodger is horrible" guy.
No one should ever forget that you're the guy who said kids couldn't spread the virus
Yogi, I've done some more digging on this cosplay socialist Bragman guy you love to quote
Ever notice how I only quote him in response to your posts? Ever think about why that is.
Yeah, it's because you're a combative d*** who cares more about browbeating people than making a positive argument.
Blue Cash Matters said:
It's because YOU are the one with the inconsistent COVID stance.
You and your little mutual admiration society were the ones talking about how people couldn't have Thanksgiving, how they couldn't eat at restaurants, etc. But when it came to getting your kid out of the house, you adopted a hypocritical stance not based in science, but based on hearsay.
Wrong. I said that indoor dining should be closed before schools because (at the time) the scientific evidence showed that COVID could spread in restaurants but hadn't showed it happening in schools. Since then I've acknowledged that the new UK variant shows some evidence that it could spread in schools, so we need to be more careful about adhering to safety protocols and closing schools if we see evidence of an outbreak.
But my consistent stance is that schools should remain open WHEN POSSIBLE. It's also my stance that in a lot of places (like California) schools could have been open a lot sooner than now.
Blue Cash Matters said:
And you kept beating it to death over and over again as you cried about teachers being unreasonable about the risks of reopening and the unions acting in bad faith.
Well guess what? People like me who insisted that teachers and staff who had to work in those environments absolutely positive had to be vaccinated before schools could be reopened were dead on balls accurate. And you, who insisted that it wasn't a risk, were completely wrong.
Except you weren't right. Lots of places have kept schools open without major outbreaks. This supports my position that schools should be open until there's a good reason to close them, not that they should remain closed until all risk has passed. I take this position not because I want my own kid out of the house, but because I believe education is a public good that is not being well-served right now. It amazes me that so-called "progressives" are willing to throw this value out the window when it becomes convenient to their short-term political goals.
Blue Cash Matters said:
You want a good faith argument about where we stand on schools instead of me beating you over the head with your complete and utter hypocrisy on schools reopening. Well here it is.
Yes, that is what I want. The problem is that you always have to lead with beating people over the head and rarely take time get to any substance.
Blue Cash Matters said:
Right now, it's mid-April. School is going to be out in a month and a half. There's zero reason to be rushing into this half-assed hybrid plan that most districts are coming up with. The one that the school district came up with in my community was so bad that almost none of the kids will be attending in person next week when it starts. I can't speak for what the parents in the elementary schools are planning to do, as all the parents I know are people I met when my child was in elementary school. We're high school parents now.
I disagree that there is no point to reopening schools now. For the youngest students especially, every bit of in-person schooling we can get to them is important. I'm willing to compromise on high schoolers, who as a group can probably more easily weather remote learning from a pure educational standpoint. For K-2 students the social learning they get at school is also very important and they've already gone a full year without that.
Blue Cash Matters said:
Where your logic utterly failed is that what Bragman is calling for is a lockdown and for the government to do what all the other governments did and pay people to stay home.
As you can see, it is not a Republican problem that Americans were not paid to do this. It's a bi-partisan problem. Your team couldn't even keep their promise to give people one time non means tested $2,000 checks. They could only stomach a means-tested one time $1,400 check. Our government was not willing to take its hard medicine and do what New Zealand did and has done time and time again. They were the smart ones. We are the ones who put profit ahead of people every time and we're still doing it right now under Biden, same as we were under Trump. The only difference is that Biden is not politicizing masks.
As for do I support a zero-lockdown policy right now? No. The opportunity window for that came and went and our government utterly failed us. The path forward is to get people to vaccinate themselves and return to life. But we're not close to being vaccinated enough yet.
I'm glad you've acknowledged that a Zero Covid policy would be impractical right now. Would I have liked to see that happen here at the beginning of the pandemic? Sure, that would have been great. I can also recognize that it was absolutely not politically feasible at the time.
The problem is that Bragman's arguments are STILL based on his blinkered notion that Zero Covid might actually happen now. That's why I think he's not worth listening to. I'm also not sure why you think continuing to quote him is going to have any effect on my opinions, given that I've already made it quite clear that I don't respect his views.
Blue Cash Matters said:
When the next school year starts and our vaccination numbers are better, then I'm all for having schools reopened. Unfortunately, the local junior college where I take continuing education classes will still be on remote learning in the fall, which is crushing, but I can continue with the remote format even though I much prefer the social component of in-person learning and not having to schedule Zoom meetings with my professors to ask questions.
There simply isn't enough benefit to justify the risk of putting kids together now, many of whom cannot be vaccinated in the near future. All you're doing is creating a population of asymptomatic spreaders who are going to pass it on to the anti-vaxxers or the people under 50 who still aren't eligible.
See above for why I disagree. I think there are pretty obvious benefits for the youngest students and that as a society we should be prioritizing them right now. I also think that if you can't get public schools open now and show that you're committing to a full reopening in the fall, you're creating even bigger long-term problems with enrollment that will linger into the future. Guess what: if school districts don't get good enrollment, they get less money.
Again, we're talking about elementary schools here, not junior colleges.
