And to make the situation worse, IF all these people are pursued, they will have to be pursued back in their home where they will likely be legally armed and much more dangerous. A lot of this has a direct link back to the Waco incident in the early 1990's. Law enforcement did what was necessary to pursue a violation of the law and it turned into a shootout because the criminals acted like criminals. Conservative media and politicians made martyrs of them and white 2A types have been treated with kid gloves ever since (I mean, they've always been treated with kid gloves but since then they can literally point guns at law enforcement and nothing happens).

Now, IF Biden's FBI pursues them, there will be shootouts and death.

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The cold hard truth ... this is problem

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Republicans are no longer fighting for Country, they are now almost exclusively fighting for Party.
They have lost their way completely upon the realization that their beloved ideals are at an absolute dead end in America.
They see it staring back at them in "their" Cities, and every day they see it creeping more and more into their towns. That dreaded word: tolerance.
The writing for the future is on the wall, and it is diverse: socially, economically, and religiously. They can't stand it.
They're trying to put the Genie back in the bottle, and can't figure out why they can't get a firm grip on it.
Ultimately we, The People, will have to put them down once and for all. I don't relish it, but it's a sad reality.
It will be ugly. It will be messy. There will be more blood. We will need to purge many from government, the military, and law enforcement.
And we will need to do it ourselves, although we will have help from the people in the system who actually love and respect this country. There are many.
We will need to find our modern-day Sherman and help him to finish what we should have just let the original take care of 150+ years ago.
As Rep. Lamb said this morning: "The truth hurts. We want this government to work more than they want it to fail."

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/ks8gtj/clearest_view_of_a_terrorist_attempting_to_breach/

going4roses said:

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The cold hard truth ... this is problem

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I don't think there's a lot Biden will be able to accomplish because of the divide in the Senate, but one thing I am really hoping Biden delivers on is prosecuting the corruption and criminals. To me, that includes dealing with the disparate treatment law enforcement unleashes on American citizens. We'll see.

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Facebook bans Trump for at least the next two weeks. Statement from Zuckerberg:

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I think society would be better off if Facebook just shut down completely.

hanky1 said:

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He's a right wing reporter that spends most of his time calling Democrats names. Yeah, I take his word over my own eyes.

Everyone knows the truth on this one.

Yeah - he's a reliable unbiased source...

OaktownBear said:

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hanky1 said:

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He's a right wing reporter that spends most of his time calling Democrats names. Yeah, I take his word over my own eyes.

Everyone knows the truth on this one.

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I saw a woman get shot and killed. I also saw videos of police fighting to protect their turf. And I saw some cops give up because they were hopelessly outnumbered.

It's not a whole lot different than in Portland, Seattle, or Minny. Cops fight, realize they're hopelessly outnumbered, and then give up to protect their own safety.

Really the only difference was that they were more prepared for for one vs the other.

There is no 'systematic plot' here.

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B.A. Bearacus said:

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Facebook bans Trump for at least the next two weeks. Statement from Zuckerberg:

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I think society would be better off if Facebook just shut down completely.

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Here is a good piece on why FB is finally banning him (hint: it's a business decision):
https://www.protocol.com/facebook-ban-trump-democrats-power

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"It has not escaped my attention that the day social media companies decided there actually IS more they could do to police Trump's destructive behavior was the same day they learned Democrats would chair all the congressional committees that oversee them."

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OaktownBear said:

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hanky1 said:

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He's a right wing reporter that spends most of his time calling Democrats names. Yeah, I take his word over my own eyes.

Everyone knows the truth on this one.

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I saw a woman get shot and killed. I also saw videos of police fighting to protect their turf. And I saw some cops give up because they were hopelessly outnumbered.

It's not a whole lot different than in Portland, Seattle, or Minny. Cops fight, realize they're hopelessly outnumbered, and then give up to protect their own safety.

Really the only difference was that they were more prepared for for one vs the other.

There is no 'systematic plot' here.

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Police in military riot gear were brought out in force to protect a statue from a peaceful Black protest. No one was brought out to protect the Congress from Nazis. Had this been a Black protest they never would have gotten close to the building and had they we would have seen a lot more shot before they got in. And no cop would have taken a selfie with one of them while they smashed up the Capitol.

Nobody claimed a plot. We claimed disparate treatment. You are just setting up a strawman.


https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-polices-tepid-response-to-the-capitol-breach-wasnt-an-aberration/


We know the truth. You know the truth. We know that you know the truth and are just throwing up fake arguments to be an ass.

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hanky1 said:

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He's a right wing reporter that spends most of his time calling Democrats names. Yeah, I take his word over my own eyes.

Everyone knows the truth on this one.

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I saw a woman get shot and killed. I also saw videos of police fighting to protect their turf. And I saw some cops give up because they were hopelessly outnumbered.

It's not a whole lot different than in Portland, Seattle, or Minny. Cops fight, realize they're hopelessly outnumbered, and then give up to protect their own safety.

Really the only difference was that they were more prepared for for one vs the other.

There is no 'systematic plot' here.

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Kamala's message is a lie though. At best case, it is a serious misrepresentation of the reality on the ground. At this time of division, what does Kamala do? She preaches messages that further divides and turns people against it other.

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Their job was to protect our Congress from a violent mob. This barricaded door was the second to last barrier between the mob and those people. His gun was clearly drawn. She tried to breach the barricade. His action stopped the mob from breaking through the barricade. (at that point)

Once they broke into the Capitol, law enforcement's job was to protect our government officials.

They did not have the manpower or the responsibility to wait until they actually broke through to the House chambers and started attacking people to start protecting them. We could have had a lot of dead government officials yesterday and given the fact that members of the mob were roaming the halls looking for and screaming for politicians by name, there is real reason to believe that was the intent of some there.

I wish she didn't get shot and I wish she didn't die. But her actions caused the encounter.

OaktownBear said:

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hanky1 said:

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OaktownBear said:

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hanky1 said:

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He's a right wing reporter that spends most of his time calling Democrats names. Yeah, I take his word over my own eyes.

Everyone knows the truth on this one.

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I saw a woman get shot and killed. I also saw videos of police fighting to protect their turf. And I saw some cops give up because they were hopelessly outnumbered.

It's not a whole lot different than in Portland, Seattle, or Minny. Cops fight, realize they're hopelessly outnumbered, and then give up to protect their own safety.

Really the only difference was that they were more prepared for for one vs the other.

There is no 'systematic plot' here.

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Police in military riot gear were brought out in force to protect a statue from a peaceful Black protest. No one was brought out to protect the Congress from Nazis. Had this been a Black protest they never would have gotten close to the building and had they we would have seen a lot more shot before they got in. And no cop would have taken a selfie with one of them while they smashed up the Capitol.

Nobody claimed a plot. We claimed disparate treatment. You are just setting up a strawman.


https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-polices-tepid-response-to-the-capitol-breach-wasnt-an-aberration/


We know the truth. You know the truth. We know that you know the truth and are just throwing up fake arguments to be an ass.

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What are these peaceful Black protests you speak of? Most of these riots consisted of white liberals and ANTIFA. The last thing I trust are your eyes, they only see what they want.

She should have complied. /s

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It seems a bit over the top to prosecute someone who was killed attacking democracy but hey if that's what floats your boat I agree with the sentiment. She did commit a sickening crime. The officer who fired his gun on the other hand most assuredly did not. He did his job.

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OaktownBear said:

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going4roses said:

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Their job was to protect our Congress from a violent mob. This barricaded door was the second to last barrier between the mob and those people. His gun was clearly drawn. She tried to breach the barricade. His action stopped the mob from breaking through the barricade. (at that point)

Once they broke into the Capitol, law enforcement's job was to protect our government officials.

They did not have the manpower or the responsibility to wait until they actually broke through to the House chambers and started attacking people to start protecting them. We could have had a lot of dead government officials yesterday and given the fact that members of the mob were roaming the halls looking for and screaming for politicians by name, there is real reason to believe that was the intent of some there.

I wish she didn't get shot and I wish she didn't die. But her actions caused the encounter.

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You are at kinder than I, her actions drew a justified response with force. I am unsympathetic to her.

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I agree w this. It's sad but I agree.

It should be this way for all rioters though .